Sid:  We are the Mishpochah which is a Hebrew word; it means family and we’re the Mishpochah, the family with the Jewish heart.  Made up of Jewish and non-Jewish people where the middle wall of separation between Jew and Gentile it’s finally come down to form one new it actually says in the Greek, it doesn’t even say man, it says one new humanity.  It’s as if I can see the prophet Paul proclaiming with every fiber of his being when that middle wall of separation comes down between between Jew and Gentile and there is a merger of that ancient spiritual DNA and the new covenant gentile spiritual DNA it’s going to make the full dwelling place of God by His Spirit.  And devil, watch out, we even know from the patterns of ancient Israel exactly where we’re at and what is about ready to happen.  It is so precise, but it takes a Messianic Jewish Rabbi that has been called by God as a prophetic teacher that just happens to live right outside of New York City and just happens to walk the grounds when historic things are going on.  And has just put together this mystery and we’re making it available in a two part series; seven CDs it’s a prophetic series like you have never heard in your life; it’ll be better than watching CNN or Fox News.   It’s “Harbinger the Warning and Harbinger the Shaking.”  Were making it available…causing Jewish people to come to know the Messiah so that we can go arm and arm Jew and Gentile one in the Messiah; one in Jesus.  Now my guest is Rabbi Jonathan Cahn and we have been listening all this week for the revelation that he got from Isaiah the 9^th Chapter the tenth verse and everything we see in the progressive judgment of Israel is happening in America.  And I want to talk today about a harbinger which is a word that means a warning of the proclamation that was made from Washington that is a further progressive open door for judgment on the United States of America, Rabbi Jonathan Cahn.

Jonathan:  Yeah, the setting is the ultimate thing is, God has given a key to the judgment of a nation and the same exact pattern, the same exact signs of warnings have been now has been manifesting in America.  It starts off with a breach of national security that happened to ancient Israel then came these nine harbingers, these warnings, these signs that appeared in the land in one form or another.  And Israel turned away from God and was ultimately destroyed.  God was sending warning, now America since 911 has been receiving the same harbingers, the same warnings that same signs all men’s manifesting in the land.  And today I’m going to get to the ninth harbinger and this blew me away because, again Sid, when we were talking about how this came, you know, I was led step by step and it was like a puzzle piece in a puzzle piece when again when each thing that in Isaiah 9:10 the tree, the stone, you know onward and all of sudden I had no idea that this was actually proclaimed to the nation the ninth harbinger is now the prophecy and it’s similar to the vow but a little bit different.  You see its 9/11 actually well, it’s funny, I mean not funny but its Isaiah 9:10 very close, it’s not only a vow it’s a prophecy for two reasons.  One it was foretelling the future, it was what was going to happen to the nation.  The nation was It was saying, “We are going to do this,” and they did.  And secondly it was recorded by Isaiah the prophet and became a matter of prophetic revelation about what was going to happen to the nation, judgment and it was, it became a matter of national record, it’s there Isaiah.  So the ninth harbinger is that these words have to appear in the form of prophecy, in other words before the fact the words of the ancient vow have to be proclaimed.    So most likely soon after the attack by a national leader; as it would have been in the ancient times, that’s what, they’re the ones who said these words in the capital city, that’s where they would have said it and it has to become a matter of national record and it has to be proclaimed in connection to the calamity or 9/11 setting the course of the nation towards judgment, without repentance if we don’t repent.  So could the ninth harbinger, the leaders proclaiming this the answer is yes; when?  On the very day after 9/11 in the Capital City, Washington, DC by a national leader who is one of the highest leaders you could ever have, the senate majority leader in connection to 9/11.  Where did it take place, it takes place on Capitol Hill itself from the floor of the senate chamber.  It becomes a matter of national record.  Now it couldn’t have become more dramatic or profound, it was a morning…if we don’t repent so to the ninth harbinger manifests it’s self in America, the leaders in the capital proclaiming this the answer is yes.

Sid:  Who was this?

Jonathan:  This is Tom Daschle.

Sid:  Okay.

Jonathan:  Senate, of the Democratic Senate Majority Leader and it’s the morning after the calamity 9/11, it’s the next morning.  The nation’s about to have to give its response to 9/11.  It becomes even more prophetically important, the nation’s about to give its response so this is what Isaiah 9:10 is all.  The man in charge is Tom Daschle because he’s the head of the senate; he approaches the floor of the United States senate and so what’s the response of America, he representing the nation here and so he gives this speech and at the end of his speech, and at the end of his speech he reaches the conclusion, the pinnacle as he utters these words.   Now listen what he says, these are the exact words, it’s the Senate record, “I know that there is only the smallest measure of inspiration that can be taken from this devastation, but there is a passage in the Bible from Isaiah that I think speaks to all of us at times like this.  And then he goes, “The bricks have fallen down…

Sid:  Humph.

Jonathan:  But we will rebuild with dressed stones.

Sid:  For those that don’t know, he’s quoting Isaiah 9:10 the same scripture we’ve been talking about all week.  Go ahead.

Jonathan:  With all the harbingers and without realizing what he’s doing the fig trees have been felled but we will replace them with cedars of all the scriptures you mentioned last and then this again out of 30,000 scriptures he chooses the one that specifically proclaims judgment and here’s it’s the day after 9/11 and he’s in charge of issuing American’s response, is it going to repent or what’s it going to do?  And he gives us America’s response, the words uttered by ancient Israel in the opening act of judgment against that land without realizing what he’s doing.  He’s linking up America to the nation under judgment, he’s making Israel’s response now becomes America’s response.  After he recites the ancient vow he closes his speech with this.  He says, it’s not just that he’s quoting something, he says this, “This is what we will do, America, we will rebuild and we will recover.”  In other words the ancient ominous vow that brought judgment to ancient Israel now becomes America’s vow, he sets the course of nation and it’s going to become true.  America, at least up to this point has not returned to God and it is seeking to assault to defy the calamity.  And now a question here, “can someone who isn’t a prophet, prophesy?  Absolutely the bible says Cephas, it is necessary he spoke a prophecy that one man would die for the nation.  It says that he was speaking a prophecy because it was his office.  So it was the same principal now but now it’s you know, you read in the Bible, it’s happening right now.  The senate majority leader represents the senate which represents the nation so by virtue of his office like Cephas.  He says that it’s necessary he spoke a spoke a prophecy that one man would die for the nation.  It says that he was speaking a prophecy because it was his office.  So it is the same principal now.  But now you know you read in the Bible it’s happening right now.  The senate majority leader represents the senate, which represents the nation.  So by virtue of his office like Cephas, I’m not talking about the man, Tom Daschle, he could issue the nations response and speak a prophecy.  And of course he doesn’t realize what he’s doing.  And amazing closure too because he says something just before he brings forth this prophetic word.  He’s says this, “I know that that this is only the smallest measure of inspiration and then he gives the word.  But interesting he meant it was only the smallest measure to inspire you, but actually the word has a double meaning.  The word inspiration literally means to be breathed in as it appears in the Bible it means Spirit breathed as if a word from God.  So without even realizing it the words are marked by a double meaning, the word inspiration meaning God is now going to speak.  And so here and literally this prophecy in another way, he’s speaks of a fallen tree, he had no idea there was actually a fallen tree at ground zero, the same tree of Isaiah 9:10, he had no idea, this is the day after they didn’t even really discover it in the ruins.  But he speaks about it, it’s prophetic, he speaks about putting up dress store cut stone, he had no idea that this would actually take place on ground zero three years from that date.  And when he speaks of planting cedars in place of fallen tree he has no idea he’s prophesying that it’s going to happen.  It is going to take place at ground zero that’s the place the seventh harbinger is going to be planted where the sycamore fell.  It is the sealing of a nation’s course.

Sid:  Now, now I have to ask you this question because it’s dawned on me when you talked yesterday about the vow that John Edwards made using that same passage and then we know that John Edwards fell.  Now you’re talking about Tom Daschle making this vow or proclamation representing the leadership of America and it’s almost as if it’s a prophetic warning because he fell from office also.

Jonathan:  That’s correct.

Sid:  I mean, I’m amazed as I’m hearing you say this.

Jonathan:  Yeah, yeah he was, yeah he was after this he loses his position and then…

Sid:  Is that a prophetic sign of what?

Jonathan:  Well, yeah and he was you know, I don’t know if you remember when Obama was starting he wanted Tom Daschle in his administration, but there was something uncovered some kind of scandalous thing and he had to withdraw and step out the same thing.

Sid:  This gets deeper and deeper you know I have to tell you, I am so excited about what you’re going to be sharing next week from the second part of the prophetic series.  Just give me a couple sentences of what you’re going to be talking about next week.

Jonathan:  Yeah, it continues and I’ve never shared this you know in this kind of format at all.  This is the progression of judgment continues, it is actually there also in Isaiah 9:10 with Israel and it’s going to move forward.  And it’s going to be, we are going to see the ancient mystery behind everything from the war on terror and collapse of the housing market; the economic enclosion the crash of wall street; the great recession; the exact timing of the two greatest crashes of wall street history; ancient mysteries that go back 2 and 3,000 years that determined everything and the future of America as a super power and a nation itself.

Sid:  And we’re even going to hear something about President Obama next week.

Sid: We want everyone everywhere to be walking in such holiness that they’ll be a contrast between you and the world.  Right now most people can’t tell the difference between a good Christian and a good non-Christian but there is a difference.  God’s about ready to release His Glory where you know you see the pictures of the saints with the halos over their head?  Well, that was the best way the artist could describe the Glory of God that was radiating from them.  And when your walk in this realm in which God is ready to get you to walk into and He can trust you with finances, you are going to be the head and not the tail.  And God has principles; he has patterns for you to be blessed.  And many Christians, good Christians have thrown out the baby with the dirty bath water because they’ve seen the abuse in raising money that you see all the time on radio, Christian radio and Christian television.  And they’ve seen that it’s a greed motivation, but God wants you to walk in His spiritual principals and He wants to bless you as much as His heart was to bless Abraham.  Now Joan Hunter, where the rubber meets the road is not what you preach, it’s what you live.  Tell me how these principles have released open heavens in the financial arena over your family.

Joan: The word of God says, number one “We are to lay hands on the sick and they are going to recover.”  It doesn’t mean to exclude your family or yourself.  The financial blessings as I talk about are not to exclude me and my family.  I practice what I preach in every area of my life, as I teach and as I minister, I do majority of it and my books and the majority of it are based on personnel experiences, which I think are the best.  Now in regards to my family I could spend the next eighty hours just telling you just some of the things that God has done in my family, specifically financially.  Many years ago when my daughter was pregnant with her first child and the baby was getting ready to come in a few months and they looked at the price of disposable diapers and you know cloth diapers.  And they weighed out the finances and she is phenomenal in the area of finances and she said, “Well, in order for us to have disposable diapers, you know the Daddy “Ted” is going to have to go and get a second job in order to do that and we’d rather have the cloth diapers so that he can spend more time with his son.”  And the natural mind “Grandma, it is better for the baby to be in disposable, I could help with $25 a week maybe or something like that and trying to be  as the mother and the grandmother to help in the natural.”  And then I went and priced them and I’m like man that’s enough for a day or two, and I’m like no wonder he has to, they are so expensive, it’s crazy.  And so I said, “Why don’t we just pray and ask God to bless you with some diapers,” you know and you bless God out of the scenario, which is good to plan it financially, but you got to let God in there too.  So it’s like, Oh Mom you know, like God’s going to bless us with diapers, you know.  And so anyway, they live in Nashville, I flew home to Houston; the next day I got a phone call saying, “Does your daughter need diapers?”  And I’m like, “Yes.”  And well, “I live in Nashville and I have these boxes and cases of diapers, can I take them to her?”  I’m like, “Yes,” didn’t need to pray about that one, because we had already prayed.  The next day the lady comes and she puts three of four massive cases of diapers on the front porch, rings the doorbell and my daughter Charity goes to the door and opens the door and is trying to see who it is behind all these boxes.  And the lady says, “Here’s some diapers can you help me get the other cases out of my van?”  So she brought all these cases in and then continued giving more, we had another source that gave us some more and I have three grand children from that daughter and another daughter that has one and their still using some of the diapers that were given over almost seven years ago.

Sid: You know God is a very generous God!

Joan: Abundantly above all we could ever ask, hope or dream of even to the point of diapers.

Sid: How about, I think this is pretty amazing, how about the need for college?  How’d you handle that with all these daughters?

Joan: So many times in the process of what I went through about twelve years ago and having to be divorced because of Bible reasons and a variety of things like that and you know and standing praying and believing and He’s the one that made all the money and we had three girls out of the four in college at the time.  And I’m like God “How am I going to do this, I can’t even do food much less pay their college.  Two of them were in a community college; the government just started sending money, sending monthly checks so they wouldn’t even have to work, that they could just go to school.  Paid for all of their school, all of their car expense, all of their gasoline, their everything, all of their expenses while they were in college.  I had another daughter who was a senior at Oral Robert University who is now a doctor, who was up there and she got a scholastic scholarship, she got a grant from the government, she had already been turned down from the government and everything.  And she just I mean out of $17,500 for her senior year, this was years ago, out of $17,500 she had to pay $1,400 for her senior year.  I couldn’t have even gotten food for six months for her for that amount of money.

Sid: You know, if it works for you, if it works for your family, if it works in third world countries then if it’s not working that means that you have to figure out where you are missing it.  And there are many hidden hindrances and roadblocks to receiving finances.  Give me an example of some.

Joan: There are so often times that people are wanting to get from God, not just receive, but get from God.  But the word of God says in Luke 6:38 “If we give, as we give we will receive” and as we give there’s conditions for God’s promises.  It doesn’t say “God’s going to give, and give and give.  It says, “As we give, as we do our part we are going to receive.”  Now, that means, obviously finances because that’s what we are talking about.  But as you give love, you are going to get love pressed down, shaken together, running over.  As you sow in hate and judgment, you are going to reap in hate and judgment.  And God wants to take, He wants to bless us, but He doesn’t want to bless our greed, He wants to bless us so that we in turn can bless other people.  And there’s many times through the scripture that it talks about that we need to give.  Once again, Deuteronomy 8:18, “He’s given you the power to get wealth.”  People are praying, “God bless me, God bless me, God bless me; Father, I thank You that You are going to meet my needs,” but they are not willing to give.  And then it’s like “Father, I thank You somehow or another You are going to bless me.”  Oh, man, in conversation, “I am so tired, I am just working morning and night and they have given me twenty hours of overtime, I’m so exhausted.”  You know “Father I thank you that you are going to supernaturally bless me financially.”  And it’s like “Hello,” God is, you know He’s given you twenty hours of time and half or double time and so often the answer to our financial needs shows up with overalls, that we’ve got to work for those finances.

Sid: I think that people are in a fantasy when it comes to these principals and by the way, when someone follows the principals that you outline in your new book “Supernatural Provision, Financial Freedom” it works in every area of their life.

Joan: Every area, every country.

Sid: It’s not just money, it’s their marriages, it’s their health, it’s everything is; I mean God is interesting in the whole person.

Joan: Right, totally and this, you who are listening to the program is well like, “They just want money.”  Well, you know what, we both, Sid Roth and Joan Hunter want you to be blessed.  This is not about how we can get more money, this is about how you can be supernaturally blessed, supernatural provision, I mean how exciting would it be to write a tithe check for a million dollars?  You are going to have so much left over you can send a million to It’s Supernatural and God wants to bless you in every area of your life.  And I sign all of my emails; I’m blessed to be a blessing.

Sid: Tell me about cars, your family has an anointing for cars!

Joan: It sure does, and it is awesome what God is doing in the area of cars.  I had my daughter again; Charity who was expecting number two and she now has three.  And when number two was coming, she said, “We got to get a bigger car because my car can’t handle two car seats and the seatbelts broken” and she like, “I don’t know how I’m going to be able to afford it you know I just started a new business, and dadadada and I don’t know how I’m going to do it.”  And she said, “I’ve got six thousand dollars saved up, but that’s not enough to buy like and SUV type car.”  And you know I said, “Why don’t you, and I said I really appreciate how good you are with finances, how you have this whole thing planned out,” and I said, “You are phenomenal at what you do, but you king of left God out of this.”  And I said, “Why don’t we pray and ask God to bless you a car?”  Once again, “Oh Mom,” they don’t say that any more, they just say, “Go Mom and thank You Jesus!  And so I had a prophetic word for her and God says, “That God is going to bless her with a car which will be part natural, part supernatural.”  And so she says, “Okay, we are just going to see how it pans out.”  And so the next time I came to see her she was still pregnant, she had a picture of the car on her refrigerator; and underneath it the car that she is going to bless us with.  I thought, “Yes, they do listen, they do listen.”  And so, about a month later she was still pregnant, a friend of mine had two vehicles, and she was going to get rid of them.  And one of them was, the one that she was going to get rid of is the sister vehicle to what was on the fridge; same color, same interior, every…

Sid: Joan we are out of time, but we will pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast.

Sid: I am so excited to say that a number of years ago I had a dream in which God Himself came to me and instructed me to write a book; I had no idea that God would use to this degree.  The book is called “They Thought for Themselves” over 850,000 of these are in print, mostly in the Russian language.  Distributed to Jewish households throughout the former Soviet Union because this book has ten Jewish testimonies; Jewish people will read fascinating stories, they won’t read scripture, but they will look read fascinating stories especially the supernatural.  And only heaven records how many Jewish people have come to the Lord through this book.  I believe its hundreds and hundreds of thousands of Jewish people, especially in the former Soviet Union.  But the book is literally untouched in the United States and we’re just starting, this is God’s time, this is God’s moment, this is God’s book.  Here’s why I want you to read the book; first of all it will allow you to understand my Jewish people in a deeper way than you ever have before.  In this book we have a Jewish PHD, a Jewish millionaire, a Jewish concert pianist, a Jewish Holocaust survivor, a Jewish person from the New Age, Jewish people from every walk of life.  Also after you read the book, God will have a Jewish person cross your path and you’re to give this book to them.  Also this book, although it’s written for Jewish people, I can tell you as a fact, when non-Jews read this book that are not believers in Jesus they see so much evidence of the reality of God, they have to receive Jesus…The very first story in this book is by David Yaniv and the title is “Paralyzed, Learn to Live With It” and I have David on the telephone right now.  David, tell me about the time you were paralyzed; you were living in Israel on a Moshav, that’s like a Kibbutz and you’re doing your job milking a cow and you slip on the floor, what happened?

David: Well, I severed my spinal cord and I was taken to the hospital and operated and after the operation they realized that they made a mistake and they apologized and they left me paralyzed from the waist down.

Sid: Now you tried everything, what was the prognosis of the doctors, what did they say?  Would you eventually get better after the surgery that you had and everything, what was the prognosis?

David: Well, the prognosis was, “Learn to live with it because you’ll never get better.”

Sid: But you weren’t satisfied with that, you went into the.., you tried things in the New Age, did that help?

David: Everything, I tried everything and nothing nothing worked because let’s face it, I had terrible excruciating pain, but I still somehow walked into the hospital.  And after the operation they told me that I would never walk again.  And they sent me to a convalescent hospital, a home where they taught me how to walk with shoes connected to iron characters with a catheter.

Sid: That is like a brace.

David: It was seven and a half years.

Sid: Well, and then you are bored so you start watching TV and you find a Christian Television Show.  Why did you watch a Christian Television Show, you’re Jewish, you’re living in Israel, why?

David: Amen, well this is a miracle, that’s a miracle in itself, you see when you are paralyzed and you sit at home and you’ve got nothing to do, you just play around with the dial.  You know today you’ve got these pictures, in those days you had the dial.  So I set there in front of the television and picked and there a woman came and she shared the testimony how she was healed and she was healed by the power of God.  And I thought that this is nonsense these people are all actors, you know but I still watched this program every day came 1:00 I switched it on because you know I thought I had nothing better to do.  And I thought why should I feel sorry for myself; let me watch other people feel sorry for themselves.  So I watched this program and I watched it for over a year.

Sid: But you actually every time Pat Robertson or one of the hosts would say a prayer of salvation, you would say the prayer right along with them, why?

David: Why because I believed that there is something more to it than just actors.  I thought that well there must be some truth to it; I thought well, let me try, what have I got to lose?

Sid: And then, one day, someone had such a precise word of knowledge (This was the 700 Club by the way if you hadn’t figured it out.)  Someone had such a precise Word of knowledge, tell me about that.

David: Well, there was a lady, an evangelist that came on and she said that, “There is someone whose has been paralyzed for many years and as I’m speaking now, he will be healed.”  And I said, “Well praise God, let it be me.”  But nothing happened that day, I went to sleep.

Sid: Now, were you real disappointed when nothing happened?

David: I must admit yes I was, I was but then a thought came over, this is just not my day.  I went to sleep and the next morning in order to get out of bed, the hose that they have to help my legs with my hands out of bed in order to get myself to the shoes and the iron characters and as I touched myself there was feeling.  I touched myself everywhere else and there was feeling, all of a sudden I needed to go to the bathroom.  I was with a catheter and I said to my wife, “Sheila, come quickly, see what’s happening!” And my wife had two people South African girls said to me, “Rubbish, lie down, I don’t believe a word you’re saying.”  And she took a needle and she said, “Close your eyes,” and she started pricking me with a needle.   And she said, “Where do you feel it?” I said, “I felt every prick,” so I thought to myself, “Well, I better stop her before she makes a sieve out of me.”

Sid: Ha, ha.

David: Any way we went to the doctors, out local doctor around the Moshav, and when he was disturbed I realized that something happened.  Subsequently we went to the hospital and there must have been twenty, twenty-five neurologists and neurosurgeons and they all examined me.

Sid: Wait a second, they told you to live with it, they told you nothing could happen, they told you that you would never walk again.  So what do all these neurologists have to say about it?

David: Well, I can tell you that they were flabbergasted until I told them and this is the thing, they said to me, “That it’s a medical miracle; they’ve never seen such a thing.”  So I told them, “Hang on to your horses, this is no medical miracle, this is Yeshua” and the minute I said that, slowly, slowly they disappeared from the room.  But I went home with all my paraphernalia in the wheelchair and I came back to the Moshav and everybody saw me walking and they only accepted the medical letter that this was a medical miracle they wouldn’t accept Devine healing.

Sid: Well, they that’s okay a medical miracle, I’ll take a miracle any way you want, I don’t care what is in writing, I will take a miracle.  I love miracles.  David, how long have you and your wife Sheila been believer’s in Messiah now?

David: Well, you mean, after this, it took about three months later she accepted the Lord as well.

Sid: So how many years have you been believers?

David: How many years Sheila, have you been a believer?

Sid: Oh, mazel tov, it’s your twenty-first anniversary.

David: It has been about twenty-one years.

Sid: David for the Jewish person that’s listening right now, give me one reason why they should believe Jesus is the Messiah.

David: One reason; it is the truth.   He is the Truth, He is the True, Messiah, He is the True living Son of God, He is the true one who left this earth and is coming back.  He is the Truth, that’s all there is to it; and believe me I’ve tried everything, everything just to refute it and I couldn’t, I couldn’t.  I read every secular book, every book that you can think of just to try to refute it that it’s not true and I couldn’t.  He is the truth.

Sid: Now David, I don’t know what God is showing you by the Spirit, but I can tell you what God is showing me, by the Spirit.  I can tell you that I know, I absolutely know that this is God’s moment to reach Jewish people in the United States.  And God is up to something, whereas in the past you might have shared Jesus with a Jewish person, and they weren’t interested.  Jewish people are; it’s like a window of God’s mercy right now.  I rented an auditorium in Brighton Beach, New York, Brooklyn, New York and we had over 400 Soviet Jews come to this meeting, most of them unsaved and the majority of them stood up to receive the Lord.  When have you ever heard in the United States over 400 Jewish people even coming to an evangelistic meeting let alone receiving the Lord?  This is God’s moment…

Craig: You know Sid, I became desperate over some period of time, I just wanted to know, through the course of our marriage and the first seven years were really the most difficult; I just pursued God and I said, “I know that it’s not suppose to be this way, I know that we’re not supposed to be hurting each other this way.”   And I continued to seek God and finally after seven years these principals began to unfold right out of the Bible and I began to understand, that I was the major cause of the problem.  All up until I started to see that, I thought that my wife had problems and she needed counseling and what I finally came to understand was that the enemy had set us up like we talked about yesterday where the arms dealer had created a situation where we were hurting each other and didn’t even know it.  And of course when I was hurting my wife and didn’t know that I was doing that it’s virtually impossible to apologize, it’s impossible to repent.

Sid: It was a tremendous chess game that the devil was playing with you and you didn’t even realize that he was in the picture.

Craig: That’s exactly what happens, and I think a lot of people are just unaware of the supernatural and even Christians, even believers go through life as though the supernatural did not exist and they just look to the natural.  And whenever a conflict occurs and a problem occurs they do exactly the opposite of Ephesians 6: 10-12; they begin to fight flesh and blood.  They say that the problem is my wife, the problem is my husband and without realizing it they don’t know that they were set up in the spirit to fight and wound each other and not even realize that there was something supernatural in the demonic realm taking place that was designed to damage and harm and destroy the relationship.

Sid: And what would you say to the person that their spouse has filed for divorce right now and they’ve pretty much thought, “My marriage is over?”  What would happen if they grabbed these principals and started practicing them?

Craig: Well, like we were talking about yesterday, Sid, I have found that these principals work even when just one person begins to apply them, and the reason is a marriage is never static, what I mean by that is, your marriage partner is not just exactly the way they are and you are the way you are; it’s a dynamic relationship, meaning you key off of each other.  And when you begin to change things, it will change the dynamic of the relationship, not only that but I’ve found that there is a principal and this is true in every area of life; when you take small natural steps that God shows you, God will take large supernatural steps to change things that only He can do.  And many times people are paralyzed when they look at the current marriage situation and they say “There is no way my husband will ever change.”  And they keep looking at what is not there instead of looking at the supernatural of what God could do and allowing God to change them in their own heart when they start allowing change to take place.  We’ve heard story after story, story, story…

Sid: So tell me about the couple from South Africa.

Craig: That was an amazing story, where exactly that happened; this couple had again been divorced for a period of time.  A man went to one of our seminars in South Africa where again we were teaching these principles that are in the book, “Two Fleas No Dog” and he began to grab a hold of those principles, began to realize his part in the breakdown in destruction of his marriage and began to repent just before God and talk to the Lord about his relationship and saying God, if I only would have know these things some years ago I could have saved my marriage.  And very sorrowful over that and asking God for forgiveness and he felt compelled after this seminar that he went to call up the wife that he was divorced from and just to ask her to forgive him, now beginning to see his part in what had torn apart this marriage.  And as he did he didn’t really know where she lived, he was able to find her city and her phone number and gave her a call and she said to him, when she heard it was her husband, “I’m so glad you called, I wanted to talk to you, an amazing thing happened to me, I went to a seminar this week in my town, it turns out that she went to the exact same seminar that was being conducted in her town as her husband went to in a totally different town.  And she had had the same experience as he did, she began to understand her part in contributing to the breakdown of the marriage and was wanted to call him and repent and ask him to forgive her.  They had a mutual time of weeping over the phone, repenting, asking each other’s forgiveness and saying, “When can we meet together.”  Again to make a long story short, God totally healed the wounds and the damage that had been caused in their marriage and in their heart.  Restored the spirit of that marriage and they were remarried to each other a few months later and again had been doing very, very well.

Sid: It’s almost as if someone, if one party will follow these biblical principals taking that little baby step, God will then show up in the marriage and change everything.

Craig: That’s exactly right and I think what you just said is true, when you do the natural God will do the supernatural.  When you take a small step of obedience of what God is showing you that you can do God will then begin to take big steps in the supernatural to do things that you could not do.

Sid: Well, little later on in the week we want to talk specifically about the levels of communication and some of these things about the ninety three percent of communication is nonverbal, that’s hard to believe.

Craig: That is hard to believe especially for men because we’re convinced that all communication is just the words that we say.  And of course, as you just alluded to there are many other things taking place that create communication that we are unaware of and we’re sending messages to people around us that we aren’t realizing that maybe the message we’re sending is not the message that we intended.

Sid: Okay, on yesterday’s broadcast we spoke about Passover is miss understood, the blood on the doorpost is missed understood by Jewish people as well as Christians.  I couldn’t get over that teaching; because when you understand that teaching, you understand all the covenant promises of God that are available to you.  You understand healing better, would you teach a little bit though, look at the full teaching in your book, “Two Fleas No Dog.”

Craig: Right, what I understood, one of the key components to marriage is understanding that marriage is a covenant as opposed to a contract.  And the concept of contract is that it’s an agreement by both parties, meaning if you do your part, I’ll do my part; but if you don’t do your part I don’t have to do my part.  A covenant is a better word that we use in English for covenant would be a word promise.  That’s not dependent upon you doing your part, so Sid if I make you a promise and I say, “I promise that I will do thus and such, that’s not dependent upon you doing anything, that’s dependent upon my integrity to keep my word.  Where as a contract would be more something like a sale.  If I agree to sell you something then it’s totally dependent upon each of us doing our part.  If I agree to see you a car for example for $10,000, if you don’t give me the money, I don’t have to give you the car; and any judge in any land will uphold that.  On the other hand if you do give me the money, I do have to give you the car because if you do your part I have to do my part; but if you don’t do your part I don’t have to do my part.  Many people look at marriage that way, they say, “Well, I’m going to divorce because my husband didn’t keep his end.”  Or “My wife didn’t do what she was supposed to do.”  A covenant is a completely different concept; a covenant is like a promise, and it would be like if I said, “Sid, because I love you my bother I want the send you a car, just to bless you, I want to give you a car.”  And there’s nothing you have to do to qualify for that, you just say thank you.  But suppose I latter find out that you’re doing things to try to harm me, that you’re maybe calling people and trying to destroy my reputation.  The question would be, “Do I still have to give you a car?”  And the answer is yes, if I’m a person of integrity because a covenant or a promise is based on the integrity of the person who made the promise to keep their word, it’s not based upon whether the other person does what they said or not.  The reason that’s so foundational to understand in our relationship with God is the Bible is not a story book, it is not a history book, it’s actually a book of covenants.  God made a covenant with Adam; He made a covenant with Abraham: He made a covenant with Moses; He made a covenant with David and He’s made a covenant with us by the blood of Yeshua.  And so if we don’t understand what that is, if we think that the covenant is like a contract that we operate by with most people, then we think, well if I didn’t keep my part or I didn’t do my part then God isn’t going to do His part and He isn’t going to keep His word.  And He isn’t going to be faithful to me either and my relationship with God becomes totally based on my works and my performance.  And that’s a huge problem.  But what we see in the Passover as you were alluding to earlier, I believe that that has been taught completely backwards.  And what I mean by that is what we’ve been taught is the Passover was about putting the blood of the lamb on your door to keep God out of your house because you certainly wouldn’t want God to come into your house because the thinking there is God is wrathful, God is a killer, God will hurt you, God will do bad things to you, so get that blood on the door so God won’t do anything to you.  And in reality that’s just the opposite of what blood covenant actually is; the blood was put on the door to invite God into the house.  And this comes from an eastern tradition that most of us growing up as westerner would not understand; I think probably a Bedouin people, people living in the Middle East today still have some of this custom in their culture and they would understand it much better.  But the custom was this, whenever a guest would come to the home of a host, the host to signify that he was willing to invite this guest in and to basically make him a family member the host would slay and animal and pour out the blood of that animal at the threshold of the dwelling, at the threshold of the door of his house.  And when the guest who was coming with him would see that blood he would know that he was invited to enter into…

Sid: And I have someone Red Hot for the Messiah, Co Producer of Its Supernatural Television and Messianic Vision Radio, Janie DuVall.  And we’re going to spend this week bringing you up to date on what God did in my life and if you understand me you will understand Jewish people.  I’m going to take you after I became a believer; I got saved in the early 70’s right at the height of the Charismatic Movement and when I got saved I was instantly Red Hot for Jesus.  As you’ll find out I had an encounter with the devil and I knew his reality and I don’t understand how anyone can even entertain being backslidden if they understand where they slide back to.  And I understood and I was one grateful Jewish man that believed in Jesus.

Janie: You know Sid, when you say that you were grateful, I’ve heard you since the late seventies on the radio.  I’m from New York and I listened to you in New York and I heard this Jewish man, and I’m Jewish and I heard this Jewish man you on the radio so hungry, I mean so hungry for more of God.  But then, when you said the big transition that happened you would always tell me and you would tell the listeners how you were just so Red Hot even as an early believer, but I didn’t know you then.  So I was watching when you were on Kathryn Kulman’s TV program and Kathryn Kulman moved in miracles, she had a miracle ministry that was incredible from the late forties to about the seventies.  And you were on her program just a year after you became a believer and I’ll tell you every time I look at that clip, the TV program, it’s amazing, one year knowing Jesus and you were so radically changed, it was like it was in your blood.  That’s why now I see why you just can’t understand how someone could say that little prayer with Billy and then no change and they’re just doing, living life the same way I mean which actually to me is really boring; when you look at you, and it was so interesting.  I want everyone to hear when Kathryn Kulman was so amazed by you because she said, “Here’s this Jewish successful Businessman and look at him, look at the change that happened!”  And the change didn’t just happen then, it’s like I’ve known you all these years now and you’re still so radically Red Hot.  Let’s listen to that, a little excerpt from that TV program when you were on Kathryn Kulman.

Kathryn Kulman excerpt: When I tell you that the name of my guest is Sid Roth that’s thrilling in itself!  Ha-ha and I’m so excited about it because Sid Roth is one of those wonderful young Businessmen from Washington, DC who a had this glorious experience of knowing the Messiah in the forgiveness of his sins.  Well Sid, the Washington Daily News classes you with other very prominent young men in business in our Nation’s Capital as “White Collar Jesus Freaks.”  I think that that that’s the greatest complement they there could be in fellowship, really.  How in the world did you ever get involved with Jesus Christ?

Sid: Well, considering that I come from an Orthodox Jewish Background it would take more than a couple of seconds to give you an answer.

Kathryn: I know, and you’re a very successful Stockbroker in Washington, DC, you’ve been in this business for how many years?

Sid: Well, I’m thirty-one years old and I’ve been in the stock business about eight years, and I’ve been in the business of Jesus Christ about one year.  I’m one year old in the Lord.

Kathryn: What was your experience that moment, that new birth experience?  It was the most beautiful thing in the world to ya.

Sid: Jesus Christ is as real to me as you are sitting right opposite me.

Kathryn: I know what you’re talking about.

Sid: And you know the thing I want to emphasize is I had, because I guess I was Jewish and He just had to hit me over the head, over and over and over.  I like to tell my story because he did.   I want to emphasize the point, that the Bible says, “The Kingdom of Heaven is like a mustard seed.” Which is a tiny, tiny little seed and you take Jesus Christ, which is this tiny little seed and you put Him into your heart and you feed Him with the Word and He’ll grow.  Just like that acorn isn’t an oak tree, instantaneously Jesus Christ doesn’t grow instanteously He grows on faith and I know from my own personal experience and from the experience of many of my friends that if you’ll invite Him into your heart.  He’s on the outside, it’s sort of like you’re driving an automobile you know, He has a difficult time driving your car from the outside, but he can do it because He’s God and look what He did to my life.  But you know when you invite Him inside that automobile you know what happens?  It is a heck of a lot easier for Him and that’s where He wants to go.  And boy, I’m so grateful to Him and I feel like I can’t do Him enough justice for what He’s done for me.

Kathryn: Do you know that this is a very successful Stockbroker who’s talking, this is a businessman from our Nation’s Capital, a successful Stockbroker, but Sid it’s real, it’s now.  It isn’t something in the past, its Jesus now; this wonderful relationship now.

Sid: This is what’s so exciting, in other words, like I’m telling you what happened a year ago, but you know if I can’t tell you what happened yesterday or the day before, two days ago I’m in serious trouble with God because He’s so real every single day He influences my life.

End of clip from Kathryn Kulman

Sid: You know Janie, to kind of set the stage, I’m a brand new believer in the Messiah, there are not many Jewish, it’s not like today.  There were very, very, few Jewish believers in the Messiah at that time.  And I got interviewed by a major secular newspaper and I really got sabotaged when I did that because the reporter was Jewish.

Janie: Ought oh!

Sid: And I kept saying to him, now I’m going to tell you something, but it will be off the record and every time I said off the record, it…

Janie: It was on the record.

Sid: And I remember calling him after my Uncle had called and said, “How could you do this to your Father? And I called the reporter and said, “How could you do that to me?  I told you, you told me that it was off the record? And he said, “Yeah, but it sounded so good, that was his answer to me.”

Janie: Ought oh, but there were repercussions with you Father then.

Sid: There were repercussions with my family, but there were also repercussions for good things, Kathryn Kulman who had the greatest miracle ministry back then, and I really believe that I haven’t seen one since as high a level as Kathryn Kulman.

Janie: And we’ve even interviewed so many people who were healed in her ministry.

Sid: Right, and that’s coming back again.  That anointing is coming back again and that I’m positive of.  But as a result of that secular newspaper article which sold more newspapers than any newspaper in their history.  She found out about it.

Janie: That’s how.

Sid: And I became a guest on her television show and then that opened up speaking for me all over.

Janie: Because everyone was amazed because this Jewish man believing in Jesus.

Sid: Yeah, and it was highly unusual back then and the thing that I’m amazed Janie is that I survived because before I had even read the entire Bible I was on the speaking circuit as the expert in the Bible.

Janie: Well, you are really a sign and wonder because the more Jewish people who believe in Jesus, Jesus is coming back soon, so you are really a sign and a wonder.

Sid: But, back then it wasn’t that there was so many coming to Jesus, there were really so few.  And I remember we had a picnic lunch.  We had an organization it was called the Hebrew Christian Alliance of the Washington, DC area and I was the President of it.  And a new Jewish believer by the name of Paul Lieberman, who now is the Editor of the Messianic Jewish Times, had a problem.  His wife would not go to a church because they are both Jewish and she was uncomfortable in a church.  So he said, “Let’s start a Jewish service.”  And I thought, “That is the most ridiculous idea I have ever heard of, but we’ll put it to a vote.”  So we had a picnic one day and I said, “Everyone that would like to try one service,” I wouldn’t commit for more than one, “Everyone that would like to try one service raise your hand.”  And the majority of the people raised their hand, so I was stuck.  I remember going to my father and saying, “Dad, can you teach me how to do a Shabbat Service?”  And he looked at me, he was now very upset with me because I was an outspoken believer in Yeshua as the Messiah and he thought I was making fun of him and he kicked me out of the house.

Janie: Oh no.

Sid: But here’s the amazing thing, we walked right into a revival, a major move of God’s Spirit and when we started.

Janie: And what were the meetings like when you say revival?

Sid: They were totally dependent, 100% dependent on God.  I knew nothing, and I was one of the Leaders.  But every week Jewish people would come to the Lord and then the next week the Jewish person that came to the Lord the week before would be sharing his testimony and another Jewish person would come to the Lord.  I’ve tasted Jewish revival and it’s coming back.

Sid: I have on the telephone Michael Kaylor, I have been looking forward to interviewing him because he has a supernatural gift to get you out of the struggle mode and walk as a true son and a true daughter of the Lord.  Now Michael you have a wonderful heritage, you were telling me before we went on the air that your hero was your Grandfather and he was a protégé of William Branham.  And he must have understood a lot about healing because he lived to about 100 years of age.  But when he was ninety-six years of age he was hit by a milk truck?

Michael: Yeah, that’s correct he had been in the ministry his whole life and when he was ninety-six he had gotten ran over and everyone expected him to die like really quickly.  And of course his heritage of being in that ministry brought him to a place to where in two weeks he was totally healed and back ministering behind the pulpit again which was awesome.  Just an amazing, he was an amazing man.

Sid: Now, why did you tell me that he was your hero?

Michael: Well, he had such a heart for people and such a compassion and he was I mean everyday he would, first thing he would do is that he would spend time with the Lord.  Which to me was a great model; and he was one of these guys that maybe at a different culture he totally accepted and loved you and was filled with hope for you.  So for me he was just an amazing guy, you know I just am honored to follow in his footsteps by keeping the ministry going.

Sid: Now when you were just twelve years of age you had quite a supernatural experience, tell me about that.

Michael: Yeah, I did when I was twelve our family at that time was going to, we had moved away and we were located and at that time we were going to denominational church and they had Sunday night meetings and when I was twelve the last thing I wanted to do was just sit in a class room all the time.  But I wanted to honor my folks so I tried to go, but every once in awhile to be honest with you I played hooky until they finally realized that hey you need to be coming here so I went.  On this particular Sunday night I remember sitting there and I was honestly just bored out of my head.  And I’m looking around and suddenly out of nowhere the wall that I’m looking at turns into a cross; I mean it’s like a three D cross to just come out of the wall towards me and I was shocked.  I mean everything inside of me wanted to stand up and shout “Look at that.”  But I was more of a reserved kind of guy so I kept it to myself and the cross just stayed there for several minutes and then finally disappeared and I was shocked.  I mean it affected me from that point on, because I began to realize you know that I always read the Bible stories of course growing up and seeing these wonderful men of God in the Old Testament do these amazing like supernatural things and wow, here’s a guy making an ax head float and all this stuff.  I really had a hunger for more than what I was getting and I remember standing at my back yard one day and praying and I just said, “God I want the faith that these Old Testament prophets had.  Which at the time I had no clue what I was praying, but I was just hungry, you know hungry for just more reality of God.  And it was soon after that in this meeting and this cross appears and as I began to think about it…

Sid: So, do you think your God heard your prayer?

Michael: Well, he did and you know I think that it was connected to again, you go back to that family; family is so important and you know I know that my Grandfather and Mom and Dad they were always praying for us.  And I think that when you’re hungry like that I think that God’s ear is automatically tuned to the hunger no matter what age because you know even at twelve you don’t get a junior Holy Spirit you get the full Holy Spirit then; it was an amazing event.

Sid: Now, what’s this business of when you were about eighteen you were taken up; explain that to me.

Michael: Well, when I was, this was actually one summer some friends of mine, we were sitting around and to be honest we were like okay, “What are we going to do?”  And when my friend said, “Maybe we should just pray, and I thought “I don’t want to pray, I don’t feel like praying, but okay let’s do it.  And so he began to pray and then it came around to my turn to pray and I thought, okay here we go.  But as I began to pray it was the craziest thing as I prayed I was, I don’t know the best way I describe it was like someone just took me out of my body and lifted me up.  And I felt like I was ascending up and it was very you know; I could remember like it was yesterday, the view was very white and it was good but it scared me; I mean…

Sid: You know I heard Kenneth Copeland share a story that something like that happened to him once and he was scared and he was so sorry because he felt God wanted to do even more.  I wonder if that’s what was going on with you?

Michael: Oh, I think I totally agree because I think I was so nervous God had grace on me and just stopped you know, and let me go back to the you know the room with my friends.  But I was shocked; my friends kept looking after me after that and asking me what’s going on because I was as white as a sheep.  But I think God probably did want to do more, but you know He’s so gracious.

Sid: Okay, at twenty you’re part of a Christian band.

Michael: Right.

Sid: And you go to a Baptist youth convention and was this the first time supernatural laughter came on you?

Michael: Oh yeah, it was and I tell you, it was one of the most amazing things because, you know when you go to Baptist Convention for youth, you know they’re focus is a little different.  So one night our band’s together in one of the dorms, we all stayed in a dorm room and that night we thought, well let’s pray before the meetings, before we get ready for the meetings in the morning and so as we began to pray.  We are just sitting on the floor in a circle and something came over me like that scripture says “Out of your innermost being will flow rivers of living water.  Well, that began to happen and I mean I tangibly felt something going on inside of me at the point that when I started laughing I laughed until I cried and I started beating the floor!

Sid: Had you ever seen that before?

Michael: No, I had never seen it.  I had no clue.

Sid: And you know when something I saw and I’ll never forget it, a little eight year old kid that holy laughter came over him and he was doing what you just said, he was beating, I mean it was like he could not stop laughing and it was nothing funny going on.

Michael: That’s exactly right!  I didn’t know what to make of it it  kept going to the point that I finally said, Lord please, please stop I can’t take any more of this, and honestly about five seconds later it stopped and I thought oh no.  Wait a minute no, more, you know more Lord, I will take more.

Sid: Ha, ha well, you know it says in scripture it says, “A merry heart is good medicine and doctors have found that you release certain chemicals into your body when you laugh that actually cure you of cancer.  And some doctors recommend watching comedies; how much more when God is causing that laughter!

Michael: Well, I agree, I agree totally, that’s amazing attacks and it really revolutionized my view of how God deals with us; that He’s really good and what He has for us is always good.  And it was soon after I asked the Lord to stop it actually started back up again and it just kept going on and on until we got a knock on the door and we jumped up and the guy that knocked on the door was the director of the conference; and he said, “Look I know what’s going on in there and you guys had better stop it. And he said I know what this is so you guys just need to stop it right now and we come to find out that this man had been part of a Pentecostal Denomination in the past.  But you know now he is with a different denominational group and he wanted things to tone down but it’s sort of hard to do it to tone down when you are just sort of overwhelmed like that.  It was amazing encounter.

Sid: Well, you have had so many encounters; you’re provoking me to jealousy.  I mean, this is a man that has prayed for the deaf and they can hear and the blind and they can see, people with cancer, tumors, lame walk, pains just disappear.  It’s, but there’s certain key points where you learn these things, especially when you had a disease yourself that you should have died of.  It was totally incurable disease…Because when people listen to you teach there is a strong impartation, has anyone told you that before?  It’s like you cause the faith to grow to such a point that there isn’t even any struggle in that area and their expectancy goes through the roof.  Are you aware of that?

Michael: Well, I’ve had people make various comments before and I just, you know I remind folks that you know, when you encounter God that way, it changes the way that you look at reality.  And I know for me encountering Him with various supernatural realities you know it brought me to a place of instead of really trying; struggling to believe and you know struggle to have faith.  It’s hard to explain, but you have it’s just there I mean you believe different.

Sid: But what’s so wonderful is not that you have it; what’s so wonderful is that anyone that sits under your teaching gets so charged up and receives with the goods that they can do what you do.

Michael: Oh, I totally agree because it’s all the transference of the Holy Spirit and He’s not a respecter of people and what He does through one He does through another.  And you know I think that sometimes He wants to do more through us than we even want to do ourself.

Bruce: Yes sir, there’s a church just north of where we live here and this young family began to come to this church and this was last January a year ago when the recession was really hitting this area pretty tough and finances were low and the church began to go into the red, they were behind on their bills and all sorts of things.  The little three year old boy, now they have the children in their service, they don’t put them in children’s church in this particular church.  This little boy starting getting very antsy and his father knew that this was not usual for him and he said son what’s the matter?  And the little boy said, “The man bird behind the pastor,” he was seeing an angel of God,  What happened was that this angel would bring freshly minted money, hand it to the little boy who would give it to his Daddy and they paid off all the debt of the church.

Sid: Now, that’s pretty stretching but it isn’t when you read what happens in the Bible and shouldn’t we be walking in that?  And in the past it’s just been a few people walking in these giftings.  And usually in other countries, but you really see this type of thing going on in the United States?

Bruce: Quite frequently, you’ve heard the adage and there’s truth in this and I’m trying to define this in a better way because I want to be able to explain what I mean, but so many people say that “Well, ministry takes finances.” Well, there’s truth in that, but I think what we have done is limited this supply to our own understanding of how finances can be generated.  What ministry really takes is a sensitivity to the Spirit of God and God can provide in any way He wants.  And when we move from where we’re at trying to figure out how God can do it and trying to help God do it, realizing he’s God and He can make, He can make anything He wants out of thin air.  Just believing our Father all of a sudden we step into a realm of possibilities where God; that the supply of Heaven is exceedingly abundantly above all we can ask or think.

Sid: But it’s not just finance it’s everything, that’s what you point out in your book.  And we’re really walking into this season, I mean you talk about all the miracles that are going on but especially the thing that intrigues me is so many Jewish people, that do not believe in Jesus are having visitations of Jesus.

Bruce: Yes, Sid there are many reports that are coming out and we’ve met quite a few people that have had these types of experiences.  My understanding was brought to the forefront of this out of the scripture, “The woman at the well of Samaria, it says that Jesus spent time with two days, but on the third day he went back to His people, the Jew.”  Right there when I saw that about ten years ago, immediately I knew that the time of the gentiles as we know it was coming a conclusion and the Lord was going to begin to move in the Jewish Community once again.  And since that point we’ve had many testimonies of the supernatural visitation by Jesus into the lives of those who have never thought of Him as God or…

Sid: Give me an example of one.

Bruce: There was a Jewish gentleman in Tel Aviv by the name of Moshi who about six or seven years ago had a prophetic dream over twenty times in a thirty day period of time and at that particular period of time, if I understood correctly Moshi was in his seventies.  He went to everybody he knew and including his rabbi and said “Could you please explain to me this dream?”  And nobody could explain the dream to him.  He had a store there, I don’t know the name of the store, but people would come in and he would even ask them and nobody understood the dream.  One day there was a parade, a march coming down the street and it just happened to be a March for Jesus.  And so he went out and he saw this man and he grabbed him and he said, “Please could you explain this dream to me?”  And the man said, “Well I don’t know, what’s your dream?” And he said, “I’m awakened in the middle of night by a loud trumpet blast, so I ran to my front door and I looked out and there was Gabriel blowing a horn, and on a white horse behind him was, this King, he looked like a King all dressed in white and he had a crown on His head and he began to describe the Jesus of the book of Revelation.  He said, “Please can you tell me what this mean?”  This man who he had asked happened to be a pastor and he said, “Well, let me know show you what it says in my Bible and he took him to Thessalonians where it read in a moment and a twinkling of an eye at the last trumpet blast the dead in Christ will rise and we’ll all be caught together.”  Well he had seen people going up in the air too, I forgot that.  He got so excited that on the street he began to dance and rejoice, “He said, that’s my dream.”  That’s my dream and on that day he received Messiah.

Sid: Are you hearing of many Orthodox Jews, that Hassidic Jews, that believe in Jesus because I’m getting reports like that?

Bruce: I have been, yes and there have been a cadre of Hassidic Rabbi’s, now this is told to me so I can’t verify this completely.

Sid: Well, actually I have met some of them.  But let’s go on to something else.  What do you see happening shortly in the Middle East?

Bruce: The Lord showed me in a vision that there was a nuclear explosion in the Middle East and at the moment that it happened I saw a clock ticking down and I knew that part of it but I knew that the Lord was saying that the last moments of history, the greatest awakening the world’s going to know, but it is going to begin where it began in the first century in Jerusalem with the Jewish people.  And so I know that we’re in the last moments of history and a great awakening is coming to Israel.

Sid: The nuclear bomb that you saw in the Middle East, did you see what country did it; did you see what country received it?

Bruce: No, I really couldn’t and I believe that’s the wisdom of God, I just know…

Sid: So will this great awakening occur after the bomb or do you not know?

Bruce: I think it’s partly in conjunction, I think it’s in conjunction because when calamity comes, things come like that, people press into God.

Sid: Now, I would be in trouble with our Mishpochah if I didn’t not let you pray for them because you have a supernatural anointing… “The Prophetic Promise of the Seventh Day” I believe that anointing is going to come on them because you’re really gifted to transfer this.  But would you pray for them to see, and I know you have such supernatural experiences on Rosh Hashanah.

Bruce: This began nine years ago and the Lord said, “That he was going to speak to me prophetically about what He was releasing to the Body of Messiah.”

Sid: Well, will you release what God has given you right now to the Body of Messiah, in prayer?”

Bruce: I would love to. “Father, in the Name of Jesus the Messiah, we speak and activation and release of clarity that your people in this generation will come forth in power, in the fullness of the stature of that One New Man, that we will begin to walk as mature sons of the Living God and release Heaven on Earth and model the fullness of the promise of everything that is within that word.  We release it to them now Father, we activate it and as we do so I command every infirmity, challenge and test that has labored against your people to become null and ineffective right now in their lives.  That they will step forth in boldness and righteousness, in holiness and purity and in rest.  And I thank you Lord, we are profound generation of profound destiny that are going to see the fulfillment of everything you have promised; not only for our lives but for this world.  In Jesus Name.   Amen.

Sid: Tell me about real briefly about the man who came forward and you literally prayed in proxy for his mother-in-law who was not suppose to survive the night.  She had cancer, what happened to her briefly?

Bruce: We prayed and there was a very powerful unction of the Spirit, and we commanded that cancer gone.  He went back to the hospital, found his mother-in-law up out of that death bed, she wasn’t even a Christian at the time, she wasn’t saved, she was walking back and forth in the hospital reading the Bible; God had delivered her.

Sid:  As you know, because I’ve said this on the air, I went down to the Bay of the Holy Spirit Revival in Mobile Alabama and I was sooo pleasantly surprised; and I got to meet Pastor Kilpatrick who also was the one that God used for the Brownsville Revival and I got to meet the Evangelist Nathan Morris and I interviewed both of them.  And there was one person I didn’t meet, and this person walks in humility so she wouldn’t say it, but I’ll say it, without worship I don’t know that they would be having the revival that there having.  She’s the worship leader, Lydia Stanley and Lydia said she didn’t have a chance to meet me when I was down there and Lydia why did you tell me you didn’t meet me?

Lydia:  Well, at that time you were very very busy, shaking on the floor under the power of God.

Sid: Ha-ha-ha.

Lydia:  I did not get to meet you when you came.

Sid:  Well, Lydia I am fascinated by what God did to cause you to be the Worship Leader of this great move of God’s Spirit, called the Bay of the Holy Spirit Revival.  And let me take you back to before you were even born.  Your parents could not conceive and so they were at a meeting and in fact I believe they were leading worship and a prophet from Ghana prophesied over them and tell me what they told you.

Lydia:  Absolutely, Mom and Dad had been leading worship that night and at that point I think they had been trying to have a baby for about two years and of course with no success and so in the course of that meeting my Mom just kind of sat down on the piano bench next to my Dad and the Prophet came over to her and said, “A this time next year there will be a red rose seated at your feet.”  And Mom just knew in her heart that meant that she would have a baby girl.   And so it was only by that time next year of course there I was.

Sid:  Just out of curiosity, was there a little bit more to that that I don’t know, did he have any vision, did he see a red rose?

Lydia:  Yes Sir, he actually saw, he could see the red rose, he was having a vision of the red rose you know seated at Mom’s feet and so he said yeah, “By this time next year you’ll hold a red rose.”  And so by that time next year of course I was born; but even while I was in the mother’s womb Mom and Dad would play the piano and sing to me; they’re amazing worship leaders in their own right.  And they would sing over me and teach me music even in the womb; and so that’s just kind of been that’s my heritage; worship is my heritage.

Sid:  And although your whole family are worshippers they began to bless you as you’re just a little child and tell you about your destiny and your purpose.  Do you remember some of the things that they said to you?

Lydia:  Do you know even from the first time I ever felt God’s presence I was just, I was just probably two years old, and my Grandmother was…

Sid:  You know when I was two years old I wasn’t even sure there was a God and your feeling God’s presence at two years old!

Lydia:  I’m telling you, well I don’t know how it happened, but you know I can remember it just as clear as anything.  I remember my Grandmother holding me in a rocking chair and she was probably trying to get me to take a nap because I was one of those full time kids; I mean you see me leading worship, I’m fully involved and I was fully involved from the time I was born.  So she was holding me and she was singing over me about the Lord passing this way.  It was a song you know calling for the Lord to pass this way.  And as she sang I remember feeling something, and of course I was too young to know what it was and I was like, I must have, my eyes must have shown you know that I was sensing something; and she looked at me and said, “Baby that is the presence of the Lord; that’s what you’re feeling right now,” and I went, “Wow.”  That’s my first memory of that, but all along when I was a little girl they would tell me.  They never called me to be a worship leader; you know they never told me this is something you have to do.  But from the earliest that I can remember they would look at me and say, “The Lord’s destined you for ministry, you’re not like other kids, you’re not better than other kids, but you’re different because God has called you to the ministry, you know that you’re called; there’s a call on your life and the hand of God is on you.”  And from the time I was a little girl they told me that, they told me and my brothers that.

Sid:  Now, when you were much older, twelve years old your parents take you to the great Brownsville revival in Pensacola, Florida.  You had never sat through a service that long; tell me about that first service.

Lydia:  Well, it was about four or five hours long, I mean we were astonished because of Brownsville, we had gotten a bit religious and you know four hour service is my goodness we couldn’t even image it.

Sid:  I mean that’s going against the trend, seeker services in an out in one hour or the pastor will lose his job, but go ahead.

Lydia:  Absolutely, I mean we were the Lord use to move at our church but never for four hours, my goodness we were just astonished!  But I’ll never forget, I mean you could, it felt as though the air was thick, just thick like you could just cut it with a knife, that’s how tangible the presence of the Lord was and you know we had felt the presence of the Lord, but never like that.  And I remember, you know my brother and I were you know young, I was twelve and he was seven and we were ready to go home and Steve Hill the Evangelist said, “First timers lets pray for the first time visitors.”  And Dad was going to go down by himself, but he looked, he turned around and looked at Mom and he said, “No, we came as a family and we are going to get prayer as a family.”  And I’m so glad that he did that, because I mean it changed our lives.  We went down front and actually Steve was explaining to everyone that, “Don’t let anyone pray for you unless they have a purple badge that indicates they are with the prayer team,” and he was working in the opposite direction from where we were standing.  But suddenly and without any kind of warning, he spun around pointed at my Dad and said, “Sir, the anointing is raining all over you and your family.” And Dad just said, “Well okay,” you know, “Thank you.” ha-ha-ha and so Steve turned around to finish his instructions for prayer and he tried to finish it but he couldn’t.  And he turned around and said, “No, I said it’s raining all over you and your family, and again he raced off the platform as only Steve Hill could do and the first person that he touch in family was me and he took my face in his hands, and he said Sis, “The anointing is all over you and it is going to carry you through.”  And of course I was hit by the power of God and I was on the floor for quite some time, I couldn’t…

Sid:  Now was this different than anything that you have ever experience before?

Lydia:  I had never experienced anything like that before, I mean I could not get up it was a heavy weighty presence of the Lord.  I looked up and I said “Mom, I can’t move.”

Sid:  Well, you know the Hebrew word is Kavod, which mean a heavy weight, a weightiness and when the Kavod in an Orthodox Judaism they don’t realize it when the Kavod comes on Orthodox Jews they start bending over because they can’t can’t stand straight.  Ha-ha-ha.

Lydia:  You can’t when that heavy presence comes, you can’t stand no you can’t do it.

Sid:  Now, your brother Philip, he had an encounter there, what did he see and how old was he?

Lydia:  My brother was seven, Philip is an awesome guy.  I mean he was always a very matter of fact kid, not demonstrative or making up stories, just not that kind of person; and even from a little boy he was just always pretty straight forward you know.  And so my Dad and I had both been hit by the power of God and we were actually on the floor.  My Mother was still standing and she was just crying and praying and my brother was standing there with her, he started pulling on her sleeve and he said, “Mom, Momma.”  And she said you know “Baby Moms praying,” and you know and tried to kind a shush him, because she thought that he was going to say something not significant and so, he kept on and he said, “Mom I see golden rain falling all around us, and Jesus is over there and He’s smiling at us,” and he put his hand in his pocket and he said, “What is going on here?”

Sid:  Ha-ha, how old was he?

Lydia:  He was only seven years old, he…

Sid:  Oh my goodness!

Lydia:  He had never said anything like that before and he’s never said anything like that since, but that’s what happened to him that night and it just struck her like, oh my goodness my son has seen the Lord in church; and it was amazing and that was our introduction to revival.

Sid:  And you use to travel every month to go to a meeting there and it was about what coming from Augusta, Georgia about five hundred miles each way?

Lydia:  Yes Sir, one way it was five hundred miles.

Sid:  You know your family must have been hungry for God!

Lydia:  And when you’re hungry for God you will do anything.

Sid:  Well, you know we’re talking to people and we’re provoking them to jealousy Lydia and it’s, they all would like to go to the Revival, Mobile Alabama, they all would have liked to have gone to the revival in Pensacola, Florida and the Brownsville Revival.  And even better than go to it they all would like to have been there every night and soak in that glory, and they’d all turn out like you.  But you know what I listened to your CD which was recorded live with that anointing, the best of the best songs that you’ve had the Bay of the Holy Spirit Revival and then four DVDs and we were so pleasantly surprised with the four DVDs called “Revival Rewind,” because it’s the best of the best; it shows the whole history, it shows miracles taken place.  But I have to tell you I was just playing the DVD in my office and several of my staff came in and they could feel the tangible presence of God…

Sid:  My guest is red hot for the Messiah, his name is Hank Kunneman, and He’s been a guest previously on Messianic Vision.  He is a veteran prophet, he hears God’s voice and we’re introducing his brand new book, “The Revealer of Secrets,” subtitled “There is a God in Heaven Who Wants You to Know His Secrets.” Learn to hear them and this is literally a prophetic handbook for someone that has never prophesied before and for someone that has and wants to develop their gift…..But on yesterday’s broadcast where we ended we were talking about a prophetic word you had about God was going to avenge 9/11 and I said to you, “What do you mean by that?”

Hank:  You know, I really I’m glad that you asked, because God as we said before we had to end the broadcast, is the Lord smells and hears blood.  And I say that because the blood of Abel speaks, the blood of Jesus Christ speaks, and God smelled blood.  When 9/11 happened there was a sound and smell of blood from those who died that day unjustly, whether it be this nation or other nations that were represented.  But God primarily, for this nation, the United States, where it happened, the blood is still speaking and God said to me that I have not fully avenged it.  In other words, I have not fully judged the spirits of darkness that used men that day to bring about this event.  And I think that it’s important to know this, that one of the goals of those enemies that attacked our nation, they wanted to cripple the economy of the United States and really the world.  They wanted to cripple our children to bring fear and I remember back in the days when Y2K was on the land Sid, and I remember warning the church back in 1999 saying, we need to not focus so much on all of the things that are being said about Y2K because the word in my mouth was that it would not be a big deal as people are saying, Y2K.  And God was saying, “A spirit of fear was trying to come on the nation to cross the new millennial line before the church.  In other words, if you could get the church distracted and all these other things and some will fight for the cause that they warned, not here to contest that, I’m simply saying a spirit of fear was released through the whole Y2K thing as well; because shortly after that 9/11 happened.  And we saw the fear attach our nation in a great way, but here’s what the Lord’s going to do, He is going to avenge the blood, by raising up our economy, by new technology that’s going to start coming out and then being introduced.

Sid:   Now, you told me that you could not go into detail but can you give me just a little bit of the new technology.

Hank:  God speaks and here is the thing that why prophets, it’s important that God uses prophets in the area of technology because look how many times in the Bible the prophets were made aware of certain things that wound up being a blessing or hidden that was revealed.  It is going to go back to this, you know the scriptures says, what has been is going to be again.  God in the days of creation, He used light and light was one of the first things that he spoke into existence.  He said,  I will say this, “We have not fully tapped into the realm of technology the benefits and the effects of light that is even going to break out in the medical industry, it’s going to breakout in just different ways that were doing things with energy, there is another source.  The Bible says the Spirit now, remember God’s voice was speaking in the light, our body is made up of light, they are finding out, so there is going to be some major breakthroughs with light.  Even with cancer, and things that people are going to see this light that is going to overcome darkness and technology…

Sid:   It sounds to me and I know that you don’t want to go far in this but it sounds to me like this new laser light technology as I’m hearing you say this.

Hank:  I even think that just light itself being able to penetrate darkness, and I think we are going to see it; I think that it’s going to be darkness regarding energy; it’s going to darkness regarding some of diseases and things trying to attack human body.  God’s going to take it back to when it was a source in the areas of creation, let there be light, but also water.  Remember the pool of Bethesda, there was some things with water; the angels came to stir the waters.  There is a stirring by the angelic forces now from Heaven, that are being released to introduce new ideas, new technologies with water again.  Some will break out again in the medical industry, some will be used as energy sources; but you watch water is going to be very powerful and how the Lord begins to use it.  And I think another thing is, the Lord said, one time in one of the particular prophecies, look to the soil of the land.  I think that there are things that are yet to be discovered; probably something’s have been discovered that we’re going to see was in our own nation, that’s in the United States, that we don’t have to look so much to other nations.  We’ve got the new energy sources; we’ve got the new sources of technology that is available right here in our own nation of the United States.

Sid:  Speaking of food, you saw a famine in the Middle East comment on that.

Hank:  Unfortunately, yes I did and I’m not one Sid, who speaks a lot about judgment; I’m not also one whose got my head in the sand; I understand these are dark days; I understand that we are at a cross roads, a window like we said before on the tape that we talked about, this prophetic window, I don’t have my head in the sand.  I’m also realizing that we got a window of opportunity that ….here’s the key; I believe that there is going to be a famine that is going to hit the Middle East.  I heard the sound crying, I heard the sound of sorrow, but remember, when the famine brook out in the Old Testament, there was a perfect opportunity, God had someone like Joseph, a man of the covenant all ready there that was able to guide the leaders and the nation through it.  And I think that we are going to see the same thing that God is going to use this as a great opportunity to minister to the needs of the people.  But also to influence and political and to also influence people regarding God.

Sid:  What about Israel?  Will Israel have a famine?

Hank:  I didn’t see it necessarily in Israel, I think…

Sid: Alright let’s jump to something else that I’m terribly excited about, you saw Jewish revival in America and in Israel, tell me more about that.

Hank:  Yeah, I’m going to tell you Sid, something was amazing to me, I was praying one time and the Lord, and I’ve never been to Israel yet, I know that people have been asking me, asking me and I just, the Lord told me in His timing the right timing.  And I know that some people, they may not agree with that, but I have to obey what the Lord spoke to me.  But he showed me the Wailing Wall where they pray and one of the things that was so beautiful about it is, I saw this veil coming down.  And you know there was a veil that was removed when the Messiah was crucified and then you know being resurrected the veil rent and there is another veil that is coming down.  This is one of the reasons why we’ve have got to support our troops, we’ve have got to support this war on terror.  Because it is not just a fight in the natural, okay they wanted to shift all the blame on a former president for example, and I’m not saying that he did everything perfect.  What I am saying is we have gotten our eyes off of the spiritual battle that’s also in the Heaven’s of ancient spirits who are raising their heads, Persia and Grecia who want nothing more than to hold that region in captive so that the veil of the Messiah won’t come down.

Sid:  Have you seen anything for the next President of the United States? 

Hank:  Well, I think that it’s interesting, you know that there was a Barchan scripture spelling different, but had to stand with Israel in their day.  And I think that one of things that God’s looking upon and we need to pray for our President, that this Barack like the Barak of scripture will stand with Israel also and will be wise in what they have to do in the coming days.

Sid:  Now, do you really see a revival among Jewish people in America, that same Spiritual scales coming off the eyes of Jewish people in the USA.

Hank:  Yes, I do.  I believe that it has to happen, it’s all part of God’s plan.  And I think that we are going to start hearing it more and more, I think the Lord is going to show Himself strong not only through miracles, signs and wonders, I think that it’s even part of the coming moving of God that is going to awaken this nation is the blinders are going to come off of not only the Jewish people eyes to the Messiah, but although signs, wonders and miracles we are going to awaken the nation.

Sid:  You know the anointing of God is so strong on what you are saying right now…

Sid:  My guest, Hand Kunneman, were talking about the prophetic gift that God has put within him.  And according to my Bible, God wants us all to prophesy.  So Hank as you’ve explaining it’s a matter of developing what God wants.  Some will not be senior prophets like you, but everyone can prophesy.

Hank:  Absolutely, everyone can prophesy because the scriptures says in first Corinthians that we can all prophecy and I think it’s interesting, you know when God created the heavens and the earth Sid, the conditions of the earth is a lot like what we see today.  Remember it was the earth was without form, it was void and darkness was upon the face of the deep.  And what I love about prophecy is you can take, prophecy what it does, exhortation, edification, and comfort and you can apply it to people whose lives are like the condition of the earth in the sense of it being without form, void and dark.  For example, when a life is without form it needs prophecy or God’s word spoken to build them up or to bring form to the feeling of their life that they don’t know.  What does God have for my life? What’s the Lord wanting to say…

Sid:   Give me an example, a real life example of someone you prophesied to that caused that resurrection life to come.

Hank:  I remember there was a life without form.  There was a lady; it was in another nation she didn’t know what God wanted for her.  And I called her out and I called her out because I saw a doll maker.  And I said, “You know I see somebody, you make a doll and you’ve been wanting the throw this doll aside and you just think it’s you, but God is after you.  You make a doll and I described the doll in a vision that I saw and I want you to come here because I see this and God’s saying don’t throw this away.”  And they were feeling completely empty like you know, “Why am I wasting my time making this doll?”  Well, God had their attention, they get up front and not only does the Lord begins to reveal this thing about the doll, but He begins to tell them what to do.  Again, a life without form, He begins to build now.  He begins to tell them things that He wants them to do; even giving them a name of a person that they are going to meet that’s going to help them in this doll making that they were to do.  Well, later on we found out that it actually happened, they’re making dolls now its part of their company and the person that the Lord spoke their name is someone who actually help them invest and get this going.  So you know, that’s a good thing about the prophetic Sid is that it helps a life without form.

Sid: Now God has promoted you into the national and even the international platform of prophecy, tell me when that started, what triggered it.

Hank:  Well, I remember seems like where God has had, I mean we’ve been different nations, but I’ll tell you where the Lord primarily is focusing a lot of where my life and I are there traveling and that is right now in Latin America.  And the reason is I believe that it’s two fold, I believe that the passion and the heart of God is being expressed through the Latin people.  Latin America, they are very passionate about God, they are very passionate about wanting revival.  It’s interesting also that I think that the Hispanics and the Latin Americans are also going to be used in what I believe is going to be America’s reform and I think that that’s why the enemy has attacked immigration so much just to try to bring division, but they are bringing a seed, they are bringing a passion for revival and the move of God and even the supernatural.  So a few years ago the Lord spoke by my bed and He called me, I woke up, I heard this voice and he said, “He called me a friend of the Latin world.  And Sid, at that time I had no, hardly any doors opening into Latin America.  I didn’t know anybody that spoke Spanish or whatever, and ever since that day, the Lord spoke, it’s exploded and I’ve seen how God has just really transitioned my wife and our ministry, not only in other nations but in central and South America. 

Sid:  But you had a visitation from the Lord, also in which He released that gift, tell me about that.

Hank:  Okay, I was praying one day because I was at a place where I was different people really saying you know major judgments were coming to America and different things, and I mean, there may be a season for those things, I that some things are conditional.  Here’s the thing, I can go off of what I have experienced, they have to go off of what they’ve experienced and what they feel.  And so I wanted to know what’s God’s perspective was so I had been fasting, I had been praying, I had been really seeking God to try to get His heart beat of what is my place in the United States; what is my role in this nation.  And I was praying, I wasn’t even looking for a vision, see that’s the key.  We can’t look for a vision, we need to look for God and when we seek God, those other things begin to come and so all of a sudden I was praying and I smelled this beautiful perfume.  The wind began to blow into my room, curtains began to move and I was so afraid Sid, I buried my face into my couch and I was trembling and I felt the Lord touch me.  And He said to me, I’ve called you as a prophet to the United States, but also a prophet to the nations and He began to tell me about how he was still holding the prayers and the tears of the sands and of the tears and the prayers of the forefathers and He began to tell me that He was going to release a word through my mouth.  Now here’s the thing, I don’t practice my words, it’s as the word of the Lord comes unto me that I’m required to say.  And I don’t know if I mentioned to you, when I first got saved, in those years that we’ve been talking about this week, I spent a lot of time praying, and I had a visitation and I mentioned it to you before where an angel had come to me in a vision, literally took me in a vision and carried me to a very large platform where another angel was standing there and I was in this vision to eat this I guess you call it a scroll or something for the nations.  In fact the one angel that had taken me in this vision to this big platform to where this other angel was instructed me as I came down on the plate form, I could see you know, different races, different cultures.  And the angel of the Lord said, this is the tongue of the tribes of many nations, and I knew at that point that I was standing before the nations.  Now I can later on see, because the Lord uses our ministry in a gracious way to speak words over nations. 

Sid:  Tell me about the time you were brought into a room, there was a very dignified man surrounded by security men there and you were asked to give this man a word from God.  I assumed you didn’t even know who he was at that time. 

Hank:  No, but I could tell by the amount of security that he was somebody important and I have ministered to leaders of nations and people of influence and I thank God for those opportunities.  Well, I began to speak to this man, not knowing who he was and you know I put my hand on him and God began to reveal secrets, things for example that was on this man’s desk and things and decisions that you know he was getting ready to make and I pulled my hand off and as soon as I pulled my hand off and as soon as I looked up at this man and tears were streaming down this man’s face.  I looked at some of the security people around him, their mouths were wide open, and I said, “What’s a matter?”  And he looked at me and he said, “I have sought physics, I’ve sought the occult, I’ve sought various minister and ministries but young man when you speak you make my bones rattle.”  And he said, “You’ve told me things that nobody knows, you’ve given me decisions now that I will make over my nation.”  In fact, a few years later I was able to meet with this man, that wound up being a president, and I can’t go into detail, because I’ve ministered to various ones, one being a president over a particular nations.  And I was contacted later different ways, the things that the Lord said, there was I think four or five out the six things that had already come to pass.  But that was a real eye opener to me because you know, you just don’t know, you know the magnitude of where God will, you know, put your life if you’re willing.  And afterwards, I felt such an awesome sense of responsibility I must admit to you.  And of course that hasn’t been the last time that we’ve had opportunities to speak to different leaders, but what it does do is it makes you realize you are not speaking to just a man, you are representing God, but you’re speaking to a destiny of a nation.

Sid:   Speaking of speaking to a destiny of a nation, in October 2008 you had a word about a woman that would arise in Israel for a short season, tell me about that.

Hank:  You know, I really didn’t follow it much, but it was on an international platform in the Miami arena there where they play basketball and the Spirit of God began to say, that for a short season, there would be a woman that would arise up in Israel, and you know something could be future, but shortly around that time there was a lady who was involved in the politics of the nation.  Again I am not an expert in those areas, but it seemed as though that they were kind of going that direction before the recent change in leadership.  I think the key is for nation, Sid.  I want to say this, is that we are starting to see more and more where the kings in the Old Testament and leaders had a prophetic voice connected.  In the New Testament, Paul was speaking before the governors of his day, those that are in authority.  And I think God is revisiting us again with nations where the Lord is going to raise up some prophetic people who are going to carry the word, and the secrets of the Lord for the leaders life and really for the destiny of the nation.

Sid:   Well, you have known so many things, for instance in 2000 you knew about the rising gas prices.

Hank:  Yeah, in fact when that happened the gas prices were a $1.00 something a gallon and I remember prophesying that they would hit $3.00 and then $5.00 and then God said when they would hit $5.00 in the nation, when you hear it, God said, laugh at the oil prices for they will come down, down, down.  And of course people at different places in the United States began to laugh at the oil, that’s what they did.  I don’t know if you remember it hit $5.00 a gallon and it’s like it didn’t go any higher and it started going down after that.

Sid:  Very briefly, God said, “He would avenge 9/11,” what does that mean?

Hank:  All right, let me say it this way to the point, God hears and smells blood, and we should never forget that.  Especially if it’s done unjustly, and just like the blood of Abel speaks the blood of…

Sid:  I’ll tell you what, our time is out, we’ll continue on this line tomorrow’s broadcast.