Sid: Hello. Sid Roth here with Renny McLean. Renny, I would be interested. When you’re at your home, no one is there. Do you worship God or is it just when you’re out in public? Tell me the truth.

Renny: No. I worship. My spirit just becomes still before Him. I enter into that place of ease.

Sid: Can you do that right now as if you’re in home without anyone here? And I’m going to watch you, and I’m going to do the same. And I want you to watch Renny and I want you to join in. But then, I want you to transition of watching him. And now I’m just releasing myself totally without any reservations to the most high God who is worthy.

Renny: Hallelujah. Hallelujah. [chanting in tongues]. [chanting] We worship you. We honor you. We magnify your name, oh Lord. You’re worthy. You’re worthy. And you’re holy and you’re worthy, Lord. Who is like unto thee in Heaven and in Earth. There is none, there is none, there is none. So I offer you my worship and I give you the Glory. [speaking] Just lift your hands where you are right now and just begin to worship Him. You reach a point in English where there is no word to really define God by. And He gives you a melody and He gives a tune, and you just begin to sing that tune. Do you know that when Satan got fired you were his replacement.

Sid: [chanting] I love you, Lord.

Renny: Because you are now designed to worship. Worship is in your DNA.

Sid: [chanting] I worship you, Lord.

Renny: Just lift your hands and worship….Hallelujah. Hallelujah.

Sid: [chanting] I praise your holy name.

Renny: Hallelujah. Hallelujah. I see a kidney condition being healed. I see a kidney condition being healed right now. You’ve had a lot of trouble in your kidney area. You’re on a dialysis machine. I see a creative miracle taking place right now in someone’s kidney right now. I see it very clearly. Very, very clearly, very clearly, very clearly. I see it very clearly. Amen.

Sid: I’m seeing an ear. And so that means whatever you need in the ear, if you need your hearing, deaf spirit leave in Yeshua’s name.

Renny: Amen.

Sid: Open in Yeshua’s name.

Renny: Amen.

Sid: And more important than even that, I pray that you hear in the Spirit as you’ve never heard before, ringing. I command you to leave the ears in Yeshua’s name. Eardrums, I command you to be recreated in Yeshua’s name.

Renny: Hallelujah. Amen. Amen. Perfect. Amen. Amen, amen, amen. I see arthritic conditions. Somebody is watching us right now. You feel like electricity going down your spine. The Lord is healing it. The Lord is also recreating spines right now. Amen. Amen, amen, amen. I see, oh Lord, thank you. I see somebody who had a hip replacement some time ago and the hip replacement, it’s not worked out good for you. I’m seeing God do a creative miracle in the hip area. I’m seeing it. I’m seeing it right now. Right now. Right now. Right now. Right now. There’s somebody watching me right now, as you’ve been lifting your hands worshiping the Lord you’re actually experiencing weight loss. You’re experiencing weight loss. You say, is that possible? Oh yes because in the Glory of God matter doesn’t matter. When you worship you defy the laws of gravity and what’s of Earth falls to the Earth and that which is of God ascends. There’s weight loss taking place now in, oh thank you, Father. Thank you, Father, thank you. I see leukemia right now also being healed. I see leukemia. I see lupus right now being healed. It’s as if God right now has just given a jolt to your immune system. You’re being healed now in Jesus’ name. Thank you, Father.

Sid: Renny, what would happen if everyone that’s watching us now in their home became a worshiper of God? There would be hope for our country. What would happen if everyone watching us right now said, I’m going to take one hour a day. I’m not worried about an audience. I don’t want anyone to see me but God. What would happen to that person?

Renny: Cities would change. Atmospheres would change. Environments would change. Wherever there is worship, God will come forth. Worship always brings the power of God forth into a city, into a neighborhood.

Sid: What would happen their health?

Renny: Oh my goodness gracious me. Oh sickness and disease, it would begin to die.

Sid: What would happen to their families?

Renny: Oh, their families would come back together.

Sid: What would happen to their finances?

Renny: Oh that’s all you need, the Glory of God.

Sid: What would happen to being able to walk 24/7 in that Glory?

Renny: Can I say this to you, Sid? This is what I just heard in the Spirit. Worship is verbal. But there’s also worship that’s nonverbal. It’s also a mindset. You walk in the consciousness that He’s your Lord and practice the presence of Jesus. And right where you are you can just lift your hands and know you’re there.

Sid: And not even say anything.

Renny: And not say it. It’s your body language. You just surrender. At that one moment in time, you just yield.

Sid: Let me make a suggestion. You’re not supposed to make vows. But I urge you to say to yourself, I am going to worship everyday no matter what. And someone’s back was just healed in Jesus’ name.

Renny: Amen.

Sid: Someone’s neck was just healed in Jesus’ name.

Renny: Amen.

Sid: Taste, breathe in that atmosphere of Heaven right now. Do you know, there’s a fog.

Sid:  My guest, Dr. Renny McLean.  I’ve interviewed him previously, and for those that aren’t familiar with Renny; you have quite a unique heritage.  Your father’s Jamaican, your mother is Jewish and before we went on the air I was going to ask you the question, but I said no let him explain it on the air.  Tell me a bit about, I mean every time I hear about a Jewish person coming to the Lord there is something supernatural involved.  How did your mother come to the Lord?

Renny:  Well, I’ll tell you Sid, I must say that it was totally prophetic how my mother came to the Lord.  First of all, my mother was first generation born in the Islands, in the islands of the Portuguese Jews and it’s very interesting.  She really had a visitation really but wasn’t fully convinced and then sixty-five years ago there was a man called T.L. Osborn and I think that you have heard of that name.

Sid:  I sure have, his book on healing is a classic.

Renny:  Oh, it’s incredible well my mother was at his first meetings he did in the islands over sixty something years ago; and that is where she saw signs, wonders and incredible miracles that to this day she is still talks about and that was really convinced her to turn.  That was what really; I would say that is what did it for her.

Sid:  You know, just like you’ve had a supernatural experience I’m just curious, did she have a supernatural experience with Jesus?

Renny:  Oh yes, she saw the Lord, she definitely saw the Lord I mean there is no question my mother saw the Lord and when she saw the Lord, there is several things I tell people about when you see the Lord Sid.  There are times when you first see the Lord and it depends on the way that He comes to you, sometimes it’s dramatic, sometimes it’s not and then it can just be in any way He chooses to come.  But I’ll tell you the first time my mother saw the Lord, my mother was a child and you got to remember that this was really hard for her because her mother, who was my grandmother was extremely harsh and really wanted nothing to do with Jesus you know with Yeshua.  And so when my mother did have an encounter with the Lord, you know, like Mary she pondered it for awhile, is this real, is it right and whatever and you know the more she really pondered about it she became more convinced about who He was.  And then when she heard that Brother Osborn was coming to town, well she sneaked to the crusade that he was having, she literally sneaked to the grounds.  Ha-ha.  And then when she saw signs, wonders and miracles she saw that same Jesus in a man.  And that was really, I would say really where she totally changed and gave her heart totally to the Lord.  So for her it was visitation and then by way of miracles and demonstrations afterwards.

Sid:  Renny, you got saved as a child and as a child you started seeing miracles; I mean people were healed of cancer.  And is it because that heritage your mother had of starting out with T.L. Osborn that it was just natural for you.  I mean how does a young child move in miracles?

Renny:  Well, you know that’s a great question Sid and let me say it to you like this.  I think for me it was relatively easy being a child because a child has no resistance to God in that in a child it is easy for a child to flow into things of God.  Because when you are a child your reason is not fully educated or fully developed so you got less resistance to the supernatural.  So for me really the supernatural was really normal.

Sid:  Well when you were very young you had an encounter with the Lord, tell me about that.

Renny:  Yes, when I was first saw the Lord I was really a child I mean I mean I had several encounters when I was young.  But what I never forgot one night I went to bed and you know when I said my prayers like most kids would say and I just went to bed, put my head on the pillow and not expecting anything or really looking for anything and I guess that’s what happens and after awhile you just do what you do you go through the emotions.  And I just went to bed and about five minutes after that a supernatural light came in my room.  A light came in my room and a presence came with it.  And then I pulled the sheet off, I mean Jesus stood at the end of my bed and there were two angelic beings with Him and when He stood there the four corners of the room fell out and then even though I was on my bed in the earth, but I was in the heavens and I was on my feet.

Sid:  Now when you saw Jesus did He look like a real person or was it kind of shadowy or what?

Renny:  No, He wasn’t a shadow at all it was a real person.  His eyes were like crystal, His eyes were like crystal to me, to me they were like crystal.  They pierced everything they looked at, but all you could sense was His presence and power and His compassion.  And even though you’re conscious that He knows everything about you, good and bad, but for whatever the reason you are so overwhelmed by His love.  And I think for me, he came to me in a way, I think because I was a child it was easier for me because I hadn’t done sin or nothing like that so I guess I didn’t have that kind of consciousness so I was really saved in the word saved.  So it was in total innocence, it was in total innocence.  And when you know when He stood before me and then I realized that I was no longer on the earth He said to me, this is where you will go and He stretched His hand out and out of His hand I just saw the earth; and I just saw, you know I saw the earth and I saw the stars around the earth you know signifying its dimension that it’s in and all of a sudden, and all of a sudden I saw the stars from the heavens get thrown to the earth.  And He said to me, this is where you will go, this is where you’ll go and you know true to the Lord said; I’ve been to the earth.  I’m still yet going to the earth, but you know that commission has taken me to the world and He said to me that you’ll bring the revelation of My glory to generations.  I mean, this is what’s prophetic Sid, He never said to my generation, He said to generations and I knew that the message that the Lord would give me as I would grow in Him it would not necessarily be a generational message because it would be total inclusive message to no matter what generation it is.  And I found out Sid, that when I begin to teach the things on the glory of God or the Spirit of God, God gives me the ability to break it down that from the youngest person to the oldest person can actually comprehend it.  And that’s one thing I say about the Spirit of Revelation, it gives you the ability to comprehend and that’s part of my gifting.

Sid:  Well, you know that I find when I read your books or when I listen to your teaching it is easy to understand, but yet it’s so profound that I have to listen to it multiple times, to catch the depth of what’s your saying.

Renny:  But Sid you know what I’m hearing even right now as we’re talking right now Sid.  Do you know why you do, because when I’m standing there ministering the revelation of God before I say to people, what people don’t know is is that that’s not the way I heard it.  I’m saying it the way I broke it down.  So you’re probably picking up the depth of what I didn’t say, which you caught, oh my God, which means you caught the Spirit of it. 

Sid:  …I believe very few Christians even understand this concept and if they don’t understand how to operate outside of time they’re not going to do the same things Jesus did.  And He promised us that we would do this.  According to my notes here everything you teach really came from revelation from the Lord.

Renny:  Yes, it did, yes it did, I mean thank God that I’m educated with the Word, but I found out that when started…can I give you a quick testimony, Sid because it is hitting my spirit so strong?

Sid:  Please.

Renny:  When the Lord really started to move strongly in my life by the Spirit of Revelation I would say it was in the very early ‘80s because I’d have a lot of angelic encounters.  And I must say and it wasn’t something that I necessarily seek, but I noticed that it was during my times of fasting.  It was during my times of fasting and I’m a great disciplinarian to myself.  You know,  I do not take phone calls, my wife will tell you I’m just not that way at all.  I literally cut myself off and my fasting consists of prayer and worship and really being quiet before Him.  You know because when you’re quiet and you’re still before Him you begin to fall off, dust begins to fall off this earth called you.  And you become more refined in His presence and you’re able to comprehend a lot quicker and I found out that during those times revelation would just come to me with an ease and it’s not that I was necessarily seeking it, but it would just, you know the Lord would just drop it in my spirit.  And then there were times that He would just drop it in my spirit and then there’s just times I would have angelic visitations.  A lot of the prophetic things I shared came from those visitations in the ‘80s and a lot of those things are happening now.  And so for me I’d genuinely say it’s a combination of things.

Sid:  Well, from my viewpoint almost every paragraph I read or every sentence I hear you teach its nuggets and you said it actually prophetically to me a few minutes ago; I’m even hearing beyond what’s you’re saying.  And that’s why I have to keep listening to it, but I believe that when our Mishpochah get a hold of this message that the same thing that happened to me is going to happen to them.  And I believe that this is a vital, I mean an absolutely vital missing element in their comprehension of the difference between the promise of God and the manifestation of that promise.  Everyone that’s a real believer believes that God has all these promises and it’s true and it’s for everyone, but somehow they haven’t been able to have it manifest.  This is the missing link…I personally believe that everything in the supernatural we can access when we understand these keys.

Sid:  We want everyone everywhere to be red hot for the Messiah and I am concerned, that’s why I’m interviewing this week, my friend, Mike Shreve.  Mike and I have teamed up together to produce a book for New Agers.  There are so many reasons that we need this book at this moment in history because I believe you cannot understand what Satan’s is up to in the end times without understanding the New Age.  And there are so many people caught and trapped in the New Age that are really God seekers; but they have zeal for God, but not according to knowledge.  They are really truth seekers, but they don’t have the knowledge and I’ll tell you another thing that concerns me greatly is that a lot of these New Age courses they are so deceitful that well meaning Christians get in it and then because it has such a spiritual hold after they’re in it they open themselves up to demons or familiar spirit and it’s very difficult for them to get out.  You don’t even want to touch something like that, for instance I’ve heard for years a top personality on television pitching the course on miracles.  And we love this personality so therefore whatever books she recommends we get into.  Mike Shreve, what is wrong about this something like the course on miracles or TM; they’re so deceitful many Christians get into it.

Mike:  Well, the course in miracles was written because the author and some of her coworkers were in strife all the time and arguing and fussing with each other and they thought that they’re has got to be a better way of living.  And so it’s so it’s all about kindness and generosity and forgiveness and mercy, but they bypass the big issue.  Simplifying it, Helen Schucman who wrote the course in miracles, taught that salvation is nothing more than right mindedness.  Being saved is not about going to the cross, she said she teaches the crucification had no part in the atonement.  And they totally dismissed these claims of Christianity.  The emphasis is on forgiving others, they say we don’t need to get forgiveness from God, because to a New Ager God is just an impersonal life force, anyway.  The gospel is all about getting forgiveness from God.  It’s not about getting forgiveness from each other that certainly is a partial truth; it is not the whole truth.  And salvation is more than just thinking right, salvation is a spiritual rebirth.  Where the Holy Spirit enters back into us and really you know Sid, that’s the big dividing line between New Agers and the Biblical point of view.  New Agers teach that a divine essence is already within every human being; to find God you look within.  The Bible teaches that prior to salvation God is external, He’s outside of us and to find God, you invite Him into your heart from without.  And from the upper room testifies of that it.  The Holy Spirit came into the upper room like a rushing mighty wind and all the disciples were filled.  That was God outside of them coming into them.  But see the course of miracles and all of these other New Age books and groups and teachers…

Sid:  There are so many of these groups out there and there taught in college courses, there taught in by doctors, I mean look at how many people get involved in Yoga because a doctor says that it can lower your blood pressure.

Mike:  Right and they have no idea that they are walking right into a net to capture they’re soul because they start studying Hoffa Yoga and then they get intrigued about the whole concept and start digging deeper and digging deeper and then they get into Raja Yoga and Mantra Yoga and all these other …

Sid:  But how about all the…it’s just a proliferation of New Age on television, the Harry Potter you can’t watch TV without seeing something connected with the New Age.  Well, it just seems like the there is such proliferation of it right now.

Mike:  Well, even Mickey Mouse is the sorcerer in some of the films that they have done, because again they don’t differentiate between this state of man being separated from God and needing God to come into us from without.  They just say that all of this power, whether it manifests as a sorcery power or whether it manifests…

Sid:  I mean what about all the video games that are out there?

Mike:  Yeah, yeah in fact the movie Avatar is drawing from Hinduism.  The word, Avatar means the incarnation of God.

Sid:  Tell me about each one of these stories; they are so fascinating we learn so much and of course the hero of every story is Jesus.  Tell me about Vail Carruth.

Mike:  Well, Vail Carruth was a student of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi she’s in chapter eight of the book, “Truth Seekers” and she was very very devoted to TM and she was one of the first teachers of TM in this country.  And she stumbled on to salvation experience because one of her friends who was into physic phenomena started into a practice called calling on the Name of the Lord and they just decided that it would be powerful to choose the name of a deity and just called on that name over and over again until they got some kind of supernatural manifestation.  Well having somewhat of a Christian foundation as a child, she thought she would choose the name Jesus and during certain meditation times where they met to call on the name of a deity; she began calling on the name of Jesus.  And she started feeling this power that would come over her that was so far surpassing any power that she had experienced in Transcendental Meditation.  And she began to de-emphasize the TM in her life and she started spending more time actually calling on the name of Jesus because she felt that there was a greater intensity with it.  And then during that period in her life she had a real encounter with Jesus, where she realized that His death on the cross was what salvation was all about.  And that’s when she left TM all together, but her personal experience is intriguing to me because it shows the power of calling on the right name.  Something else about Vail’s story was that when she was calling on the name of the Lord, she also one night decided she was going to quote the Lord’s Prayer.  Our Father which art in Heaven, Hallow it be Thy Name, Thy Kingdom Come, Thy Will be done on earth as it is in Heaven; she went all the way through the end where she said, Thine is the Kingdom and the power and the glory.  And when she said that she said this powerful burst of brilliant white came into the room and just shook her to the core of her being.  And she realized it’s Jesus, it’s Jesus so the next day Vail removed all the pictures of guru’s and spiritual masters from the walls of her house and left one picture up and that was the picture of Jesus; because she realized that He truly was the only way.  He said that I am the door and by me if any man enters in he shall be saved.  And she said that whole experience was summed up this way that wave after, wave of the purest and deepest and most undesirable love poured through every fiber of her being.  That when she had this encounter with Jesus she knew that she was loved by God and wasn’t mediating on some impersonal cosmic force, it was an encounter with the love of God and that’s what everyone needs.

Sid:  Now what about all that junk that she had been in with all of those years, I mean I understand she meditated twelve hours a day.  Look how diligent she was to this Hindu TM type stuff.

Mike:  Oh, she was, she was in a group that studied directly under Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and so they went into it very intensely.

Sid:  But she explains this love of God literally broke her free of all of that bondage, it was greater than the bondage.

Mike:  That’s right and she left it all behind.

Sid:  And also I think that it’s really neat is that when she returned to her room the picture of Jesus supernaturally had moved beside her pillow. 

Mike:  That’s right, it was on the wall which was quite a distance from the bed and when she came into her bedroom the picture was laying right there on her bed.  And she knew it was a sign from God that Jesus was saying you know, I’m your Savior, I’m your Lord, I’m close to you.  I’m going to come even closer and deeper in your life and that was just a unique experience.

Sid:  Just out of curiosity, you spent a life time researching these things and you came from a New Age back ground but when you did this book, was there one thing that really struck you that perhaps you hadn’t even thought much about before?

Mike:  Well, the thing that really gripped me through story after story, ten people in this book that were truth seekers, is the key issue.  The key issue is this, is truth objective or subjective.  Now what does that mean, let me simplify it, many people teach that you can have your truth, I can have my truth and we can all be right at the same time.  That’s the idea that truth is subjected; it is created by each individual person or is truth the same for everybody?  Or is it objective and I believe that we prove in this book that the truth is the same for everyone.

Sid:  It reminds me of Pontius Pilate who said, what is truth?  And Jesus said, what a great question, no but he should have said that.  Well we’re out of time…

Sid:  My guest Dr. Michael Brown has come out with what I believe will cause a spiritual awakening in America that the blinders will come off of the eyes in reference to the homosexual -lesbian issue.  The title of the book, “A Queer Thing happened to America,” 500 page hardback book.  Dr. Brown you have an entire chapter “Is Someone Born Gay?” Just a couple of words, I want that answered.

Mike:  How about lesbian author, Camille Paglia “No One is Born Gay, the idea is ridiculous.”  How about researchers, Glen Stanton and Dr. Bill Meyer, “The current consensus in the scientific community is that there is absolutely no proof that people are born gay, contrary to what many Americans believe; there are no replicated scientific studies demonstrating that homosexuality is determined by biological or genetic factors.”  Sid, the fact that every few years you’ll hear, oh there’s a gay gene, oh there’s a gay part of the brain, oh…do you know why you keep hearing new things, because they haven’t found it yet!  If it had been found, the whole world would know about it, but gay activists would be trumpeting it everywhere!  I have quotes from gay activists saying, “One day we are going to find this!”  No, it hasn’t been found because no one is born gay!              

 Sid:   Okay, let’s switch areas right now and talk about your chapter on the religious liberties.

Mike:  Oh boy, how about this report from England April 20, 2007 “Eden Borough University has banned copies of the Bible from student dormitories after condemning the Christian Union for violating its equality and diversity policy by claiming that any sexual activity outside heterosexual marriage is not God ordained.”  Sid, within a period of ten day in July of 2010 a professor was fired from his job in Israel and a professor was fired from his job in America because they dared to take issue with homosexual practice.  And the real shocker is that the professor who was fired in America and then after an outcry got reinstated, he was teaching in the religion department, he was Catholic and he was teaching about what Catholic’s believe and said that according to Catholicism  homosexual practice is disordered and sinful and for that he was fired!

Sid:   Where is the outrage over the artwork, all the things that are being released defaming Jesus in showing Him in perverted acts?  Why isn’t there that same outrage! I don’t get it Mike!

Mike:  Oh no no, that’s okay Sid and that should even be funded by the government and you see you’re intolerant and bigoted if you can’t accept this as artwork.  But God forbid you say one word differing with Homosexual practices.  Here look, let’s just talk about this for a second almost everybody listening they’ve got an i-phones, they use i-Tunes, whatever so “Manhattan Declaration” a wonderful, graciously written statement by Chuck Colson and a number of other Christian Leaders with hundreds of thousands of signatories, it stands for marriage of a man and woman, it stands for life, it stands for religious freedoms and it’s graciously written.  Well some people were offended that it was an app that it was released on i-Tunes.  They got it removed, a half million people protesting this, roughly that number, and you’ve got Sid… people began to send me links’ of every kind of profane, gay sex app, you know find out what’s available in your city, here’s a place to go for anonymous sex encounters; that’s okay; that’s not offensive!  But to say that homosexual practice is wrong or immoral or sinful or that God can change a homosexual, that’s now considered hateful, bigoted and intolerant.  Look people are fired from they’re job, they’re have been Christians put out of University programs.  Let’s talk about Julia Ward, she’s in a University in Michigan, she’s a mature black American woman, Christian woman in the counseling program there, she’s strong in her grades, someone comes to her, part of the counseling program you actually have to do counseling in a homosexual relationship and they want their relationship affirmed.  So she goes to her professor and says, what I should do I am happy to counsel them but in conscience as a Christian, I cannot affirm their relationship.  Okay, I am not making these things up; these are documented in massive detail.

Sid: Mike give me a few nuggets as to what the true agenda of the gay movement is. 

Mike: Okay, silencing all opposition!   Julia Ward in her school when she said that she could not counsel a homosexual and encourage them in their homosexual; she’s put out of the program; kicked out of the schools Sid and subjected to an inquisition there.  Here’s in short what it means, it means the re-education of our children in schools; it means teaching that there is no norm to marriage you could be two moms’ two dads, three moms four anything it’s all the same.  It means silencing of all opposition; it means where as one behavior in lifestyle used to be criminal it will now be criminal to differ with that.  It means reprogramming through our military people have said now with the repel of the “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” it will make the military the world’s largest sexual activist organization because it’s got to reprogram it’s program, it’s got to re-educate.  It means rewriting the Bible so that you’re talking about well known stories of accounts of the Bible suddenly everything has a gay queer slant to it; and that if you take opposition to it it will either be reproachful or even illegal; it’s going to affect Sid redefinition of marriage.  It’s going to mean if you don’t accept and let’s say you got a school, you’ve got a Christian school and the kids have to come from a married home to be in the school, let’s just say that that’s the law, that’s the standard you have whatever it is; well if it’s two woman that come are married by your state or two men you are going to have to accept.  It’s going to mean if you are an employer you are going to have to recognize same sex benefits, insurance things for same sex couples.

Sid:  Will churches and ministries have to hire homosexuals to be pastors?

Mike:  Awe, okay let’s start here how about a Christian book store?  A Christian bookstore is not protected it’s just a business.  You could be guilty of discrimination if you say okay you know this guy that’s my receptionist, Joey he’s now convinced that he’s really Jane and that he’s a woman trapped in a man’s body and now he’s coming to work as the receptionist in my Christian book store, wearing a dress, you fire him; you go to jail for that Sid!  Discrimination and it’s a short jump from there; here Cy Felphlim is now in a leading position appointed by our President and approved by a lame duck congress the end of 2010, she’s now in a major position in equal opportunity, this is businesses operating fairly.  She’s a gay activist lesbian professor and she has said that when there’s a conflict between sexual freedoms and religious freedoms she has a hard time seeing any instance in which religious freedoms will triumph.  So what’s going to stop this from coming to a church right now the law says, no the church is still protected it’s just the slightest little line.  The next line to be crossed because already with hate crimes you and I are codified right now by law as bigots because we say that we do not accept transgenderism; we do not accept homosexual practice; we do endorse these things we are now codified by the law bigots.  That’s just the same way as speaking against the Hispanic, or against African American because of their anestity or skin color; we are now in the same class and if people don’t believe it I documented examples…

Sid:  Okay, let me ask you ask this Mike, why should a Christian that is listening … 500 page book titled “A Queer Thing Happened to America?” 

Mike:  It is our moral and spiritual responsibility, what do we say to those that looked at slavery as it happened in America and looked the other way and didn’t care? What do we say that abortion has destroyed 10’s of millions of lives while so much of the church just wants to look the other way?  What do we say, I know that this will outrage people when I use this example, but what do we say when the people of Germany looked the other way as the holocaust was happening?  We have something of great moral import in America, I’m not equating the homosexual agenda with the slaughtering of Jews in Germany, I’m equating our silence with the silence of those that have watched society transform; who have watched lives be destroyed.  Look our kids are growing up in an environment now where most Christian kids in schools don’t see why there’s…what’s the problem with same sex marriage; what’s the problem with don’t ask don’t tell?

Sid:  And aren’t they literally hypnotically and demonically putting it in the head of these impressionable young children, and you know as a man thinks in his heart, so is he?

Mike:  There is the education, the programming and Sid something spiritual; it’s like people have come under a spell, pastors and leaders have come under a spell, Christian parents whether it is the spell of TV or whether it’s the spell of reeducation or whether it’s the spell of demons.  You know you’re slogan for yeas, you know it’s supernatural, this is supernatural Sid, this will not be fought by human words alone, and that’s why we have prayed and we have fasted behind this book that God would use it supernaturally because there has to be…

Sid:   I believe this book, it’s enough is enough and it will cause a spiritual awakening in America…

Sid:  Getting ready Mishpochah to have a river of God’s healing just flow in such a tangible fashion that no disease, no sickness can stand.  And one of the things I like about my guest, Todd White, and he doesn’t know it, but he’s teaching me because many times I’ll think well this person’s theology is bad or they don’t have faith and so I’m not even going to pray for them.  Or that’s why they’re not getting healed.  But what I’ve learned from you Todd, is that it’s based on your faith, not the faith of the person you are praying for and so I challenged you and I said, but wait a second, even Jesus did’t have many people healed when he went to his home town because of their lack of faith.  And God gave you a revelation about that Todd White.

Todd:  He did, he did Jesus went into His hometown to preach the first time he preached and He preaches a sermon and the people in the congregation are looking at Him like who does this guy think he is, I mean he grew up here.  I mean, aren’t his sisters and brothers, wait a second and isn’t this the son, hold on let’s get out of here.  So these people heard Jesus preach and they rejected Him, they rejected Him and they turned their back on Jesus.  Can anybody that knows of the life of Jesus actually picture them bringing a quadriplegic or somebody on a mat, a paralyzed man, laying him in front of Jesus and Jesus praying and saying, “Arise” and the man just laying there and him looking around at the people in the synagogue thinking,  what’s going on here?  And then he looked at the man again and He says, “Arise” and the man still lays there.  Now Jesus, can we picture Jesus getting a little frustrated because the people’s unbelief is greater than His belief.  And then He says again, I said.”Arise” and nothing happens and then He looks at the crowd and said come on guys get with me, maybe if you had faith he’d be healed, and He turns his back and walks away.  That’s not Jesus, the fact remains is that they never brought anybody to Him, because if they would have brought him to Him, Jesus would have healed him.  You can’t tell me for a second that somebody’s unbelief was greater than Jesus’ belief.  They brought a man with a withered hand the one time to Jesus in the synagogue and the Pharisees brought the man up not to do anything but used the man as a guinea pig to set Jesus up.  They brought the man up and Jesus said, “How much more important if you guys lose an animal or an ox, if you lose an animal and he falls into a pit on a Sabbath would you not reach in and grab him?  Come on, how much more important is this son of Abraham than an animal, stretch forth your hand and bang the man was healed.”  Who had faith?  Jesus did. What about the Pool of Bethesda; when you have Jesus who walked through there and He saw the one man that was there, he saw everybody, but one man specifically he prayed for.  There is a theology that says well Jesus was only lead to one so you can’t pray for everybody.  Jesus was on His way to the cross He had set His face like flint; He had a very short time to accomplish what He did.  So what He did was, He set His face like flint, he prayed for the one and He snuck out of there quick because they were trying to make Him natural King.  And that’s not why He came to become natural King.  So He prayed for the one, the man’s carrying his mat to the synagogue, the Pharisees approach him and say, you know that you’re not suppose to carry your mat.  He said, the man that healed me told me to pick up my mat and walk.  And they said “Who healed you?”  And the man said, “I don’t know.”  He had no clue who had healed him and Jesus did it nobody else was in faith but the King.  So here’s the deal, there’s so many situations here’s another one, the mourners were called to Jairus’s house to mourn the death.  They were called to mourn a death, Jesus shows up, tells the mourners that they have to go, their not needed.  The mourners were hired professionals.  He told them, they are not needed, not because he had to get them out of the room in order for God to move, but because they weren’t needed anymore.  He said, she’s only sleeping, she is not dead she is only sleeping and bang the little girl gets up.  We have blown this thing so much out because we haven’t seen the results of a believing prayer.  But the honest belief system of God is that in Matthew 17 if we speak to the mountain, the mountain will move.  If we speak to the mountain and the mountain doesn’t move it’s because of a lack of faith in the person praying.  See the disciples in Mathew 17 had prayed for an epileptic boy.  And Matthew 10 they had been given authority by Jesus to go and do it.  So in Matthew 17 Jesus is up on the mount of transfiguration with Peter, James and John.  He comes down off the mountain, the disciples said that He’d given authority, they prayed for the epileptic boy and it didn’t happen.  So now Jesus comes in there and the man says, “Help my son, I brought him to your disciples and they couldn’t cure him.”  Jesus looks at the man and the disciples, who were the representative, and says you perverse and corrupt generation, meaning you twisted minded people, your minds got so perverse and so twisted on this one.  Perversed meaning twisted minded.  How long shall I bare with you, how long shall I be with you?  He’s saying guys, I’m going to the cross soon, you’ve got to get this.  Now bring the boy to me.  The boy was healed and the disciples said, why couldn’t we cure him?  And Jesus said, I tell you the truth, he didn’t say anything about the demon, he said because of your unbelief.  To believe means to be fully convinced.

Sid:  Are you fully convinced that if you pray for people right now that are listening to us, they will be healed?

Todd:  Fully convinced.

Sid:  You are fully, well I am fully convinced also so the two of us are in agreement, I think it’s time for you to pray.

Todd:  Amen, let’s do it, let’s do it.  Lord I just thank you, Father for everyone listening God.  I thank you right now in the name of Jesus, God.  I thank you for everyone listening that right now God that this phone God that this radio interview would be a conduit for your Glory God.  Would be a conduit, for Christ in me the hope of Glory and in Sid to flow through right now and to touch everyone that’s listening and in Jesus name God I command herniated disks right now to be made whole.  Father, I thank you, bring your fire God in Jesus name.  Lord I thank you that every short leg of everyone that’s listening and knows they have a short leg would right now sit with their heels together with their legs in front of them and right now in the name of Jesus we command the legs to grow right now.  Father I thank you, I thank you in Jesus name God, I thank you, thank you Lord.  All sciatic nerve damage being crushed, in the Name of Jesus God.  I thank you so much God, you are so good, you are so wonderful.  Father I thank you for migraines I just keep hearing migraines and in Jesus Name migraines, crippling migraines that make you sick and dizzy in Jesus Name we rebuke and command all migraines to go right now.  Father I thank you for migraines being completely healed, God I thank you.  I thank you for COPD being crushed right now in Jesus Name.  Emphysema, COPD, asthma I command you lose them right now.  Father, I thank you for the breath of God breathing into the lungs of listeners right now in Jesus Name.  Thank you Father for your warmth, for your fire God going into their lungs right in Jesus Name.  Lord you are amazing and I thank you and I give you glory.  Lord I thank you right now for cancers being crushed in Jesus name, lung cancer in Jesus name I command you let them go.  Let them go right now in Jesus name.  Pancreatic cancer, the doctor has told you that you have a very short period of time because this is one of the quickest ones in Jesus Name we demand pancreatic cancer to lose you right now in Jesus Name.  Father I thank you for complete wholeness God, right now that every cancerous cell would be completely crushed by you Lord God.  You are amazing, Holy Spirit we command depression, we thank you in Jesus Name depression being completely crushed.  For all anxiety God, for all depression in Jesus Name we break off the spirit of suicide from a listener right now that has just tuned in.  Suicide I command you you suicidal spirit you leave right now.  Father I thank you for amazing joy God right now, peace that surpasses all understanding.  Don’t turn this off, in Jesus Name I command you listen in Jesus Name, depression I curse you and command you let him go right now, right now.  Thank you Holy Spirit in Jesus Name, Amen.

Sid:  You know what I believe?  I believe that there is so much presence of the healing anointing of God, so much faith in the atmosphere that whether you’ve announced their condition or not they can just literally their encased in healing.  I mean their getting their whole body is being healed from the top of their head to the bottom of their foot.  Anything they need, especially in the foot area their being healed.  Are you seeing anything else?

Todd:  In Jesus Name God, I thank you Father, thank you Father, yeah I’m actually seeing bipolar, I’m seeing people, numerous people have been diagnosed with bipolar and right now God is coming and schizophrenia right now God is coming right now with peace into your mind right now in Jesus Name, Father we thank you that every mind disease God, every sickness of the mind God, every emotional, I just keep hearing this depression, this bipolar.  In Jesus Name I was depressed, I had this bipolar stuff I had this and God’s crushed it so in the name of Jesus freely I have received, freely I give it right now.  I command your minds to be clear right now.  Clear, cataracts right now in Jesus name.

Sid:  Woops were out of time.