Sid: My guest by way of telephone I’m speaking to him at his Creation Evidence Museum in Glen Rose, Texas which is near Dallas, Texas, Dr. Carl Baugh. He’s founder and director of the museum. He’s scientific research director for the world’s first hyperbaric biosphere. He is scientific research director for water reclamation and energized plant systems. The thing that is so fascinating to me he is the discoverer and excavation director of 2 major DINOSAURS! Yes that’s what I said DINOSAURS I mean the public has such a love affair at least children and children’s toys with dinosaurs. Carl you wrote a book I love the title it’s literally a new book it’s a hardback it’s called “Why Do Men Believe Evolution Against All Odds.” I’ve often wondered that, why did you write a book, why did you come up with this title?
Carl: Alright Sid it’s a pleasure to be on the broadcast with you today, and I hope listeners will just settle down drink a cup of coffee and get in on the conversation with us in their hearts and minds. The book needed to be written. I’ve been involved in this type of research for over 35 years. I found there are reasons why university professors, high school teachers, students, lay people, professional people adopt the theory of evolution or at least accommodate the theory of evolution. Then I began to research the actual support for the theory of evolution. I found it to be essentially non-existent in order to support the theory of evolution you have to completely skew the facts and slant the information ignoring a tremendous body of information. For instance, the dinosaurs you’re right I lecture almost worldwide by invitation and by practice, and often by radio and television, and people on all continents are mesmerized with dinosaurs. Not only have I directed the excavation, discovered and directed excavation of 2 major dinosaurs, but 6 other dinosaurs cropped up in the process. I’m currently excavating a site I discovered in northwestern Colorado and 8 different dinosaurs have cropped up in the 6 years of the excavation, and it’s an ongoing procedure. What surprises most people is these dinosaurs are not brute beasts like the evolutionary theory claims them to be…
Sid: You were not a consultant in Jurassic Park or something like that (laughing)?
Carl: No (laughing) because of my creation position that has been known for decades. Now there was a time, as I relate in the book, there was a time I believed and taught the theory of evolution and accommodated evolutionary practice even as a Bible believing born again Christian. There was a time when I accommodated the long ages and called it Progressive Creation, or the Gap Theory. Many very fine theologians and fine Christians unwittingly accommodate the long ages…
Sid: But, but, but wait a second based on everything that I have read, I know what the Bible says, but based on everything I have read it appears as though the earth is so much older than the age stated in the Bible that you have to come up with these various theories like the Gap Theory, or that years were not really what they are today back then.
Carl: Well I thought that to be the case until I actually got involved in the investigation and the research. As you know I’m a scientific research director of a project that has attracted the attention of NASA and has gathered invitations from universities and academic entities. On a broad scale when we begin to actually examine the data we were really surprised, for instance, what appears to be long ages in the rocks actually demonstrates, I’m going to use a technical term here, polystrate fossils. That means fossils that extend through various layers and many of these layers are interpreted to be tens of thousands, some of them millions of years in age, yet a single fossil extends sometimes up to 40 of these layers Sid, it’s absolutely incredible. In Tennessee there… Tennessee and other areas around the world…
Sid: Yeah but what is this mean that a single fossil goes through several of these layers. What does that mean?
Carl: Like a tree a palm tree that appears to be growing upright, but as I’m sure you know when water carries material after it’s waterlogged trees turn upright because the root systems are heavier. The branch systems are of course carried but the tops of the waters… so water carries these fossils that were living and probably still living at the time, we’re talking about Noah’s flood. Then sediments like coal deposits, shale deposits, limestone, sandstone, and then what we call cyclothems it repeats itself coal, limestone, sandstone, shale it repeats itself again coal, shale, limestone etcetera. What would be interpreted sometime to exceed 40 million years is actually deposit involving only days or weeks of time. For instance, at Glen Rose Nova was filming over my shadow and we had removed a layer of limestone by hand, it must be done by hand to be academically verified. We removed the layer of limestone and as I delicately excavated through the clays and their cameras were whirling I discovered, or we discovered, my assistants flagged me on both sides. We discovered a fossilized, coalified lepidodendron. Now that’s a plant a very tender plant it’s alive today but it only gets 16 – 18 inches in height. It’s called the lycopsid club moss, but in the fossil record it often got up to 120 feet in height. So here we found this fossilized, coalified lepidodendron on its side and as we excavated it one of the lateral roots extended 22 feet. I have some NASA engineers assisting me as we excavated that root, but again it was on its side. Sid 8 inches, an 8 inch nodule of that root extended into the limestone layer beneath, the rest of the fossil upon its side extended through the clays into the limestone layer above. Now according to evolutionary theory, you have 2 million years separating those 2 layers, but here the 2 layers were placed together while that plant was non-decomposed while it was still in place 2 layers of sedimentary deposits plus the clays in between formed, and it’s supposed to be about 2 million years apart. Oh I brought in a world class fluid hydrologist and dynamist Professor N. E. Clark University of Illinois. Professor Clark is a world class scholar and lecturer and he and another professor at the University of Illinois at the main campus Champaign Urbana. Calculated that due to the effect of the moon on this near global body of water, and we’re talking about Noah’s flood from the scriptures and the historic event. Due to the effect of the moon bringing these waters into resonance those layers were only 12 hours apart. So the point of the conversation is this, it appears that long ages had transpired but when we really examine the data the long ages are not there.
Sid: Yes Carl but what about something like radiocarbon dating that’s able to see things from millions of years old.
Carl: Okay now that’s the very first thing the populous brings up they read in the press that long ages had been assigned to the material. What isn’t normally realized, and I’ve had a number of objects radiocarbon dated. What they do not normally recognize is that radiocarbon changes its structure and its rate of decay with pressure, with temperature so that one scholar said “It’s a bag of worms.” And actually dinosaur bones I’ve had actual dinosaur bones, I’ve had carbon dated and they turn out to be just a few thousand years old. Now normally standard academic universities in the paleontology departments do not carbon date the dinosaur bones because they say well “Well if any carbon got in it leeched in.” So they rule out the potential because carbon dating only goes back a few thousand years since the half-life is roughly 5600 years, and that changes again with pressure and temperature. So when we look at the data, when we the needle jumps all over the place and then we see that dinosaur bones and other materials sometimes dates into the thousands of years like some of the material we’ve sent off to have carbon dated then that material isn’t normally published. In the book I refer to individual scholars who admit readily that carbon dating is not an accurate calculator.
Sid: Okay but what about the moon rocks brought back by the Apollo astronauts I mean don’t they show that the moon is something like 8 billion years old?
Carl: Now that’s very interesting because I’ve personally examined some of the moon rocks, and that was a special privilege. Those moon rocks reveal, now there’s no way the moon, the rocks of the moon, could show the age of the moon. The only way you can show the age of the moon is by the accumulation of sedimentary deposits. So some calculations were run assuming a certain low rate of cosmic dust would settle in. What they actually thought was when they landed on the moon was from 800 – 1250 feet of dust would be on the moon. However, when they got there less than 1/8 inch of (laughing) dust had accumulated on the moon, which relates back to about 6000 years of dust accumulation.