SID: By the way, something else happened in addition to getting rid of all those vices when you came to know the Messiah. You didn’t really have much of a love for people. What happened?
JESSE: No, I didn’t. I loved myself too much. I was raised very poor and I didn’t have time to love people. You do what you got to do. I was going somewhere. I was raised very poor and I didn’t care who I hurt to get what I was gonna get. You see what I’m saying? And you know, you said before the break, I’m like a child. I really am because children are born believers and they believe everything you say until you teach them to doubt. So when God tells me to do something impossible, I go, okay. So simple that you need a good theologian to help you misunderstand it.
SID: Jesse, I asked you, beyond coming to know the Lord, the thing that pops in your head is the most supernatural thing that happened to you was.
JESSE: I was just fascinated with Scripture. I mean, I was fascinated. I said, look at this. They thought I couldn’t understand this? I can understand this. Well anyway, I saw how God showed himself to people and I thought, why don’t he show himself to me? And then that scripture, “He’s no respecter of persons.” So I began to hound God, for lack of a better way to say it, I want to see you. I want to talk to you.
SID: How often did you say that to him?
JESSE: I’m going to say, this is conservative, at least 200 times during this period. I was irritated. I said, listen, I stayed up last night and you didn’t come. I mean it. I thought he had to come at night. I don’t know. I just thought he did. You know, crazy. And I went to a revival and there was a preacher. He said, “Young man.” I was young in those days. I was 25 years old. And to make a long story short, he says, “The Lord told me you’ve been asking to see him.” And I thought to myself, okay, come on buddy, come on. He said, “The Lord is coming to see you. You’ll be sleeping and your maid,” he called Cathy the maid. She didn’t like that, but anyway, “The maid, she will not wake up.” Now this is the most supernatural thing that happened to me other than my salvation. So I stayed up all that night, nothing happened. Two weeks, nothing happened. I was so frustrated. I didn’t call the man that he missed God. I didn’t know that, how do you miss God. I didn’t know nothing about that. Then one night I went to bed, I always sleep on my stomach, and I’m about ready to go to sleep, all of a sudden, wind began to blow, Sid. When I say wind, I’m talking wind. It blew the curtains up on top of the rods. It was blowing through, I’m getting goose bumps, thank you, Jesus, blowing through my skin, coming up under my nails, blowing onto my face. I was on the bed and I was like pinned, and I went, my God! And the Lord, I heard him, this is audible. This is not vision. This is all physical. I’m seeing the curtain flying up. He said, “You asked to see me. Turn around.” And went like this, “Oh gee! Whoa!” I wasn’t scared. I was freaking out, is about the best way. And he asked me three times. The second time, he said, “You asked to see me. Turn around.” And I went, “God!” I was pinned. I thought, Cathy will see him. I start hitting Cathy with my fist. I said, “Get up!”
SID: Wait. Did you really hit her?
JESSE: Put a bruise on her this big.
SID: Okay.
JESSE: That’s the only time I ever hit my wife. I’m hitting her and she’s going [snoring]. I mean, she’s a very light sleeper. Finally, the last time, he said, “You asked to see me.” Wind blowing. My God, I’ll never forget that as long as I ever live. “Turn around!” And I said, “Lord, forgive me.” I didn’t know what to do. All of a sudden the wind stopped and went like this, and I was so mad at myself. I said, “You stupid, stupid. You asked God to see you, you wouldn’t turn around.” And I hit Cathy again. And she goes, “What?” I said, “You missed it. You missed it.” She said, “What do you mean?” I said, “God was in the room, but no, you got to sleep all the time.” You understand? And Sid, to make a long story short, I got up, went into my living room and I sat down. I was so frustrated with myself. God had come to my house. He had blew the curtains up on the rods, man. I mean, wind went through my skin. You don’t have to believe it, but it’s true. You know it’s true. You can tell. You hear it now. To make a long story short, then I heard him in my spirit like you normally do. I said, “God, I’m sorry I didn’t turn around.” He said, “I’m glad you didn’t. It’s better that you believed me and not see me.” That is probably the most fantastic supernatural thing to happen to me other than my salvation.
SID: How can we get to know that?
JESSE: You see, you come as a child. You become childlike, not childish. You see, Christianity has become childish instead of childlike. I said, “Lord, I want more than a relationship.” That’s called being born again. “I want a fellowship.” He said, “Well talk to me.” You know why God don’t get to talk to people? Because you’re praying. I’m going to shock you when I say this. You’re praying so much, you don’t give him time to talk. You go, oh Jesus, you want a come to Jesus meeting. Oh Lord. And then you stop praying, he’s about ready to talk to you and you get up and you walk off. And he goes like this, he goes. So I have conversations, Sid. I said, “Lord, I want to know some things.”
SID: Yes, but what happens if he’s not answering you? Do you continue the conversation?
JESSE: Oh, he does answer. He wants to talk to you more than you want to talk to him. I’m not exaggerating. Every time I’ve always said, “Lord,” he says, “What?” He says, “Let’s talk. What do you want to talk about?” I said, “I need to know some things. What about this, what about that?” And Cathy has heard me, I’ll be laughing in my study. He’s actually very funny. And I’ll tell you what, you’re looking at one of the happiest men that ever walked the face of this earth. That doesn’t mean trouble don’t come. I just don’t pay no attention to the devil. I ain’t got time for that fool. I don’t pay no attention to him. He’s defeated, restricted and rejected, and he’s awaiting confinement. I’m going to tell you something you never heard before. You know why sometimes things go real good. I asked the Lord about that. I say, “You know, Lord, things have been going real good with the ministry. Everything is good.” I said, “Where’s the devil.” He said, “He’s putting out fires.” Now these are my conversations. He’s what? I said, “He’s putting out fires?” I said, “What do you mean?” He sowed rebellion in Heaven, he’s got rebellion in his camp. Listen to me.
SID: I like that.
JESSE: Listen to me. You see, the Bible says what you sow, you reap. That includes angels. He has to put them down. He has to get them back in line. That’s why everything is so good. But now he’s going to come back because all he’s got, the only way he can hurt God is try to hurt you.
SID: I want you to answer this question. Someone does not believe they have that relationship that you have with God. They’ve been a believer 20 years. They have prayed. They’ve done every method and system they know. Give them some advice.
JESSE: You’ve been religiously brainwashed instead of New Testament taught. See, you’re going through the rigmarole of religiosity. God isn’t interested. You know, God never created Christianity. Man did that. God created Christ. God sowed Christ so he could have Christians. See, Jesus was a seed, so we could be his family. And I love telling that to Jewish people. They say, “You Jewish?” I say, “I’m adopted.” You’re adopted? I say yeah. He made me an offer I couldn’t refuse. You understand?
SID: Okay. When we come back, I have to tell you, I’ve been doing this a long time, I’ve heard a lot of supernatural stories, but your mom takes the cake. I want you to tell me what happened. He’s in a bar, as unsaved as a human can be. He’s down in Mexico and this is without a doubt the most supernatural thing. You had some mother. We’ll be right back.
Tags: It's Supernatural, Sid Roth
Tags: It's Supernatural, Sid Roth