Sid: My guest by way of telephone is researcher Philip Moore. Philip was a researcher for Hal Lindsey and he’s come out with his own book he spent 12 years in it is preparation, almost 8 years in Israel. He has uncovered previously hidden manuscripts information I’ve never seen presented in a book before. It’s 1200 pages this book it’s a definitive book the title “The End of History Messiah Conspiracy.” You’ve got quotes here on… it’ll boggle the mind this information it had to be God for you to get so much. There’s a chapter that intrigues me I’d like to talk about today Philip. The title in chapter 9 of your book the “The Messiah Conspiracy Concludes in Preventing Healings,” what do you mean by that?
Philip: Well there was a verse in the Old… in the Bible that the apostles used to whisper in people’s ears and they’d get well.
Sid: You know what’s so amazing is I understand early church history, the lowest believer in Yeshua in the congregation could lay hands on the sick whisper the name Yeshua, Jesus, and the person would get healed. Today if they do that they give them their own television series. (Laughing) I mean anyone could do it back then.
Philip: Hmm, hm.
Sid: Anyway I’m sorry go ahead I just had to get that little commercial in but go ahead.
Philip: Actually the value of what they were saying was a verse from the Bible that said “May the Lord heal you. The Lord that healeth thee, the Lord is your healer” actually is direct rophah meaning healing is there. Those words numerically would add perhaps by coincidence to the name of Jesus in Hebrew. Rabbi Akiva was condemning, he makes several statements in the Talmud “May they be cursed that whisper their whisperings.” There are 3 quotes from that time but on the top of page 9 we show… actually one rabbi said “It was better that a person died of sex life than being told this word that would heal him.” Are you looking at those quotes?
Sid: Yeah do you want me to read them?
Philip: Yeah.
Sid: Okay the first one and these are all Talmudic quotes and you cite the references for anyone that’s interested. It says “A man shall have no dealings with a heretic” that means Messianic Jews, “nor be cured by them even for the sake of an hour of life. There was the case of Ben Dama nephew of R. Ishmael whom a serpent bit. There came Jacob, the Apostle James of the New Testament, the heretic of the Village of Shechania to cure him in the name of Yeshua.” They say Yeshu it is drag reformed I’ll say Yeshua, “But Rabbi Ishmael would not allow him. Ben Dama said to him ‘Rabbi Ishmael my brother do allow him that I may be cured and I will produce a text from the law that this is permitted.’ But hardly had he finished his discourse when his soul departed and he died. So that proves you should not be healed in the name of Yeshua,” supposedly. Another quote from the Talmud the grandson of Rabbi Joshua ben Levi had something stuck in his throat. “There came a man and whispered to him in the name of Jesus and he recovered. When the healer came out Rabbi Joshua said to him ‘What was it you whispered to him?’ He said to him ‘A certain word.’ He said to him it had been better for him that he had died rather than that.’” Come on rabbi you’re saying it would it would have been better for that man to die rather than be healed in the name of the Jewish Messiah? One more quote you have here, “Rabbi Akivah,” now most of us have heard of him “Rabbi Akivah said ‘He who reads in external books and he who whispers over a wound and says ‘None of the diseases which I sent on Egypt will I lay on thee I am the Lord they healer has any share in the world to come.’’” So Rabbi Akivah says you could lose your eternal life you if pray for someone in the name of Yeshua and they get healed. I mean that is outrageous, you know what they proves to me Philip…
Philip: Hmm, hm.
Sid: …that proves to me that people were being healed in the name of Jesus.
Philip: And that proves that He was a real person and those people that come forward and say “Well how do we know He ever lived. In the very Talmud the witness of opposition that Simon Greenly one of the greatest lawyers of all time who established a lot of the rules of the courtroom today back in Harvard . He said “You could the tell the most of a witness of the opposition” now these people that opposed Yeshua or wrote about people being cured in His name. So what more proof need we to show that he was a real person…
Sid: But, but, but Philip in all fairness Rabbi Yakiva was one of the greatest rabbis that rabbinical Judaism has ever produced. I mean this man was so great he knew who the Messiah was it was his cousin, what was his name? Bar Kochba.
Philip: Yeah that’s who he proclaimed was the messiah of course he wasn’t but in the war he really felt that he was.
Sid: What I understand a majority of the Jews followed this false messiah. I mean if Rabbi Akiva was wrong on who the Messiah was, his little nepotism he thought it was his cousin and the majority of the Jews followed, maybe he was wrong on his opinion about Jesus.
Philip: Yeah that’s a very good point that I bring out in chapter 27 where I quote all the rabbis throughout his… not all of them, but most of them throughout history that have made so many wrong guess dates for the Messiah. I play out “Well if they were wrong all these times might they also be wrong about Yeshua being the Messiah.” As far as archaeology goes in chapter 8 I was confronted by a rabbi here in Atlanta when I went to a group of where they were going to teach that Jesus wasn’t the Messiah. He told me, his name was Rabbi Lewis, and he told me that… “What do you when a Christian…” I mean to paraphrase him he tells you that there’s… “That it worked 2000 years ago Jews believing in Jesus why won’t it work today?” Somebody in the group said “Well it didn’t work 2000 years ago either” you know that there weren’t any in other words, or very many anyway. I quote… and he made a statement “Do you believe everything that comes out of Russia?” This was in ’83 when Russia was the way they were back then, I think they’re going back but that’s another subject. We answer that by showing this Eretz Magazine Israeli geographical magazine quotes an archaeologist who shows her discoveries, her name was Claudine Dauphine French archaeologist working in Israel. She showed, found ebonite graves in the Golan lots of them that dated to the 4th century it showed there were a sizeable number at that time and that the archaeological discoveries of today are verifying this.`
Sid: A sizeable number of?
Philip: Messianic Jews where they found Jewish and Christian symbols carved on the graves…
Sid: Well they say there weren’t too many Messianic Jews in the first church. What do you say to that?
Philip: That’s hogwash! That’s the rewriting of history, that’s revisionism it doesn’t serve their purpose to admit it, but when you start to look at the modern archaeological findings it shows there were probably close up to a million. I have some quotes from a scholar Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum he said that there were 2 towns Yettra was one of them that were called engulf towns in the Talmud because their populations were almost completely Messianic Jews.
Sid: Now let’s go over a few of the chapters in your book and tell us what they cover.
Philip: Well I have a really interesting chapter we haven’t touched on…
Sid: What’s that?
Philip: “Christian Zionist Past and Present.” A lot of times the rabbis will say “Well why do you want to tell us about Jesus? What about the holocaust and the…” There are so many believers and I mention this in chapters 12, 13 and 14. Hundreds of years ago even famous like John Locke and John Milton who believed that Israel would return to the nation who loved the Jews based on what the scriptures taught and even saved them from the Spanish king I mention in chapter 12, it’s called “Christian Zionist Past and Present” and I show that there are a lot of… there were true Christians who were persecuted by the established church at that time because they believe the scriptures literally. They believe that the Jewish people will return to Israel the prophecy would be fulfilled, and there were more than a handful of them. I believe that the reason a lot of the Christian Zionist were not the proper numbers that even allowed for the holocaust to happen was due to the fact that so many… in chapter 13 I talk about all the philosophies the… from Kierkegaard to Darwinism and all and how this stunted more or less disabled a large number of Christian Zionist they were more or less… they were persecuted in the Middle Ages by the established they were killed. The teaching today is if you’re a real Christian you’re just not very smart because these different philosophical ideas more or less teach against the fundamental truths of the Bible. These philosophies I show in chapter 13 more or less I believe were responsible for communism today and responsible for Hitler being able to get the hold that he got on Germany and who knows what in the future.
Sid: And there’s nothing new under the sun. So to understand how these philosophies allowed the anti-Christ types to evolve will show you what the devil’s about ready to do again I believe.
Philip: History repeats itself or the famous saying by a philosopher that I don’t put much stock in but never the less I believe he was right on the point that “History teaches us nothing, that we learn nothing from history.” I believe his name was Cont but… well there are other chapters. I have a chapter called “Aches, Faith, and Mistakes” which shows even famous evolutionist are beginning to admit that they were wrong, if it did happen it certainly didn’t happen the way that they had drawn out. The fakes of course are pigs teeth that were thought to be missing links that weren’t, or Piltdown man he was a definite fake. The mistake was it was a pigs tooth and… I cover all of the different quote different kinds of men and show that they weren’t. There is even evolution… even people like Leakey have been dishonest and said different things than they put in their textbooks and have been told on by their colleagues and I quote that in there. In chapter 1 I talk about creation I show the false prophecies, Nostradamus, in chapter 2…
Sid: You know you show things about Nostradamus that people don’t realize. They think he was a great prophet. He made mistakes and according to the scriptures you make a mistake you’re not from God, and the mistake is if I keep talking we’re out of time.
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