Sid: I’ll tell you something the family that’s got the goods, I mean Jesus is going to return I believe in our lifetime. As a matter of fact on yesterday’s broadcast we found some little known facts that researcher Philip Moore has put together in a book even about Sir Isaac Newton the greatest scientist of all history. He prophesied and predicted the 2nd coming of Messiah would be in the 21st century but this book is so fabulous. I have Philip Moore on the telephone I’m speaking to him at his office in Atlanta, Georgia. He spent almost 8 years in Israel, spent 12 years doing research for this book. Hal Lindsey thought so much of his research that he has him research his books. But the information that Philip has in this 1200 page book is revolutionary. I mean you’ll want to read a few pages of this every night it’ll just blow you out of the water. The thing that’s so amazing to me that I love personally, it’s only one section of this book, is Philip has the prophecies proving Jesus is the Messiah, but then he has the ancient Jewish writings before there was prejudice that absolutely say these are talking about the Messiah. Then he has the modern commentaries by the rabbis that literally have the nerve to be revisionists and do not follow the ancient rabbis and they’re trying to say these prophecies are not Messianic. It’s literally a conspiracy. He shows how the conspiracy and the cover up and the rewriting of history occurred by the rabbis. Literally your title here is “Rabbinic Watergate Yavne and Today and Why Did They Cover Up the Cover Up.” I mean every page is just the most fascinating reading. But Philip most Jewish people I know are either atheists or agnostic, unless of course they know Jesus. I guess the only honest Jew that doesn’t know Jesus could be an agnostic, I mean you can’t know God unless you know the Messiah because you’re separated based on your sins you can know about Him, you can believe in Him, but you can’t know Him. But the thing that I loved in your book right at the very beginning that very few people have seen is we Jewish people have problems with creationism. We believe mostly in evolution and you see Jews in the forefront of things involving evolution, BUT you blow evolution out of the water based on your research and your understanding of Hebrew. Explain it for the Mishpochah.
Philip: Yeah well there are 2 words for… usually in evolution people are talking that the world is very old and the creationist says it’s very young.
Sid: So there’s a conflict? You know you can’t believe both.
Philip: Right but if you know Hebrew and there are 2 words for creation. One is asa and one is bara, and the bara means to create something from nothing. But asa means to reconstruct something from something that is already created. So we believe that it is very possible that the earth is very very old yet God recreated it and the asa and relatively recently. There is a word between in Genesis these 2 Hebrew words bara and asa and it’s called tohu va-vohu which means chaos an Israel talmid, the best way to put it in modern language is a tossed salad.
Sid: Now I’ve read this so I understand it but let me clarify for some of our Mishpochah. You’re saying the first word used in Genesis where it says “God created the heaven and the earth” means to create something from nothing.
Philip: That’s right.
Sid: The second word in between means a tossed salad, the world became a tossed salad (laughing). Then the 3rd word for create really means reconstruct not create something from nothing, so it appears as though the earth was created something from nothing such as the Bible says. Then this wonderful earth became a tossed salad and then, and it’s only if you know the Hebrew you can see it. The next word for create in the book of Genesis where it’s the creation story says it was reconstructed having… it doesn’t say “something out of nothing” it says “reconstructed” when you know the original Hebrew. This changes, this will have to change the thinking of a lot of people that have problems with saying “The earth is over 5000 years old.”
Philip: Yep and there’s support for this in Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14 where Ezekiel 28 talks about it being a perfect world until Satan rebels it, verses 12-15. In Isaiah 14 verses 12-14 there are all these 5 “I will boast of Lucifer.” Of course once he rebelled and chaos took place throughout the universe he was exiled then God recreated man. The angels that went over to his side decided where they had laid their lives, and God decided He would create the human race. Jesus said “I saw Lucifer fall from heaven like lightning” in Luke 10:18. I believe God created man after the original world and there are so many supports in that scripture to back this up. I have a lot of charts by Clarence Larkin that they’re reduced but they illustrate and use this scripture to prove this viewpoint.
Sid: Now if you were to pick, and I know this is difficult and I’m going to ask you, if you were to pick one chapter out of all the chapters in your book “The End of History Messiah Conspiracy” that you think is the most important for Christians to understand? I know this is difficult, which one would it be Philip?
Philip: Well to me number 7 but 5 would… but the number 7 deals with the birkat haMinim and what took place in first century and how…
Sid: Explain that Hebrew word first of all.
Philip: Birkat haMinim means a blessing for the Minim, actually Minim means Nazarene. They found a fragment with the word Nazarene beside Minim so we believe that clarification… actually Minim technically means a sect or group of Jewish believers of different representations. Today you have orthodox, conservative, reformed, but at that time there was 28 different sects within Judaism. Believe it or not one of them believes Jesus was the Messiah and they don’t want people to follow after those guys and they decided to create a blessing that would actually splinter off and make the Jewish believers in Jesus look like a cult and be rejected within Judaism.
Sid: That’s what occurred they put this benediction, or this blessing in in which Jewish people could not say, that believed in Jesus, and when they said it they were ousted out of the synagogue, but who was this Yochanan ben Zakai that you mentioned?
Philip: Well he was a rabbi that was smuggled out in a casket to get… Vespasian gave him this town. He has made a prediction of course he knew but it wasn’t a real prediction but he made it look like he was predicting and Vespasian was so awed he said “What can I do for you?” He says “Give me Yavne and its sages.” They went there and they created the new Judaism that everybody thinks has always been Judaism which absolutely, which isn’t it’s devoid of the Messiah and the prophecies of the suffering Messiah. We believe this was to create a way of holding the Jewish people together throughout the diaspora and keeping them separate from the Gentile believers in Jesus.
Sid: But you know in that chapter, and I have this marked because it’s so phenomenal you clearly point it was a whole revision of Judaism. I don’t even know if we can rabbinic Judaism, Judaism. You know it’s interesting they say “The Messianic Jews can’t call Messianic Judaism, Judaism.” I wonder if they’re not using a debate tactic based on the research I see in your book I don’t think they can rabbinic Judaism really Judaism, what do you think Philip?
Philip: I don’t either. I believe that they’ve just created a cultural myth they call Jewish but it really isn’t but it was designed to look… you know they follow the basic step by step of traditions and its close but they cut out the most important prophecies and tried to claim “Oh if you believe that you’re not Jewish.” Yet the ancient rabbis said these prophecies were about the Messiah.
Sid: You have a quote here Philip in that particular chapter in which I agree is fascinating the big cover up to stop Jews from even thinking for themselves. Literally I have to say that Jews cannot think for themselves when it comes to Jesus and it was a rabbinic conspiracy. You prove it cold in this book, but the man that created this rabbinic Judaism this Rabbi Yochanan ben Zakai… you have a quote here about his death bed, and I guess like they say “There’s no atheist in a foxhole,” well he was in his foxhole with a bomb going off. He was ready to die and it says, let me read this quote you have in your book, “I go rather to appear before the King of kings, the King of kings the holy One blessed be He whose anger if He should be angry with me is of this world and of the world to come. Moreover I have before me two roads, one road paradise the other road Gahanna and I know not whether He will sentence me to Gahanna or hell or admit me into paradise.” The rabbi that teaches Jewish people what is right, what is wrong that all rabbinical Judaism is based on today. When he died he didn’t know which fork in the road he was going to… he didn’t even know if was going to heaven or hell. I mean when Jesus said “If a blind man leads another blind man won’t they both fall into a ditch?” I think was he was looking down the corridors of time and he saw rabbinic Judaism. What do you think Philip?
Philip: I believe you’re right and it’s very interesting that in the New Testament we talked about Yochanan ben Zakai, John the son of Zakai. There was another Yochanan I put a lot more stock in and that’s Yochanan ben Zebedee who is better known was the Apostle John in the New Testament. His writings he saw the resurrected Yeshua. He said “We could know that if we believe in Him that we can know where we are going.” That we’re going to be with a Messiah that we’re going to live forever that we’re going to have the promise paradise that the Jewish Tenach promises and the New Testament promises. I believe that is true Judaism after all the word Jew most people don’t even think where does this come from that Judah in the Jewish Bible and she said “I will praise the Lord.” It means a praiser of God and Abraham was the first one to step out and to do that out of a pagan world and that’s why God decided to build a people from him that he would bring the Messiah through, that’s why Jesus is Jewish. If we believe, Jew or non-Jew, if we believe in the Jewish promises we are really Jewish in God’s sight.
Sid: Phil from the viewpoint not physically, but from the viewpoint of spiritually and being a worshiper of God, however God is going to reach physical Jews right now.
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