Sid: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest, Renny McLean, is another man that provokes me to jealousy. But you see, the gentile believer in Jesus is supposed to provoke the Jew to jealousy. But Renny is both. Renny, you have a Jamaican father and a Jewish mother.
Renny: Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
Sid: And Renny, you have learned about a dimension I never hear spoken about, the rarified air of Heaven bringing it onto Earth. In fact, you teach a lot on a subject called “Matter Doesn’t Matter”. You teach about eternity, evading time. How did you learn about eternity, which is the rarified air of Heaven invading time? Because when that happens, we have access to everything in Heaven. How did you learn that?
Renny: Well for me, I learned that from an experience years ago. And it’s very interesting. We start with this question. I remember years ago we were seeing signs, wonders and miracles when we were laying hands on people. And so, you know, I knew how to release my faith through my hands. And then one day I was really getting bored of ministry. I know this is bad to say for someone who has seen all kinds of signs and wonders. But I was getting bored of what I was seeing and I was looking for another dimension. And so I was seeking the Lord. And it was a long visitation. At the end of it, the Lord said to me, “From this point onwards, you will not need to lay hands on the sick.” He said, “You will begin to see what we would call today the mass miracles.”
Sid: I have another word for it: atmospheric miracles.
Renny: Oh that will preach right there. And so I was one-dimensional in that I understood how to release my faith by way of my hands. I didn’t understand how to use that same faith to bring people into that place. And so for me, the switch was using my faith to bring people into the realm and then teaching them how to participate in it. See, in the Glory of God I teach this principle. There’s the law of response. If you don’t respond, you don’t receive.
Sid: You know, I have noticed so many times, I’ll even have a word from God and I will speak it, and some people will be healed. But I know if anyone does what you just said, responds, they can walk. What is it? They walk into it? What is going on?
Renny: Well for one, a lot of people have different agendas. They have different mindset. They still are in the mindset or they’re still in the mode that it has to come from the matter of God’s hands. They have no idea that when they sit there and they participate they can receive the miracles of God. We’ve seen thousands of miracles, and I’m not exaggerating. We’ve seen thousands of miracles: deaf, blind, crippled, dead, all kinds of signs, wonders and miracles. And I can tell you most of the miracles we’ve seen, I’ve never laid a hand on people. Never.
Sid: It actually makes it easier.
Renny: Well you see, I teach this.
Sid: And they’re not looking at you.
Renny: There you go.
Sid: They’re looking at Him.
Renny: There you go…because I teach this. See, you work your faith. See, you work your faith, but you don’t work the Glory because the Glory is the realm of rest. And so, you know, it’s work to get to the Glory. But when you’re there, you step into the Glory and the presence of God. And we teach people how to receive from that. You remember in Luke 5, where the Bible says, “And as he was teaching the power of the Lord was present to heal.” Now this is scary because here now we have Jesus and the Bible says John’s testimony of him was, “He had the spirit without measure.” Imagine, he had the spirit without measure and yet as he’s teaching, the Bible says, “The power was present to heal.” But not one person got healed because they sat there. They sat there.
Sid: What should they have done?
Renny: Well put it this way. They sat there in their religious mode. They didn’t know how to respond.
Sid: He’s saying he’s talking about me. [laugh] Go ahead.
Renny: They would not respond. Their religious minds would not let them respond. And it took somebody who was not part of that environment, that mindset to come in and to respond. It’s like if we say to people right now, let’s lift up our hands and worship, isn’t it funny, today we have to tell people to do it. We don’t naturally respond. And so there were times when God will, you know, because we don’t know better, God will be kind enough and will just do it. And then there are times, and this is what we’re seeing in the Body of Christ right now, is that the people of God still want to be entertained. They don’t step into worship. I teach this law of response. God inhales our worship, but He exhales the Glory. I teach this principle, too. Number two, if you are worshiping, no, if you are in church and you are looking around and you’re not really worshiping, now remember in Hebrew, the Hebraic concept of worship is that it’s intimacy. Well if it’s intimacy…
Sid: It’s also, have you ever seen an orthodox Jewish person rock like this? It’s getting every fiber of their being. And how many of us, I talk about me, I’m going to talk about me, go on a mind trip during worship. And I might look like I’m worshiping, but I’m thinking about what I’m going to be doing tomorrow or what the next TV show is going to be. Renny, how can we worship with our whole heart? That’s what God wants.
Renny: That’s a loaded question. Let me answer it. Let me break it down and answer it. It’s a loaded question. Number one, you can’t worship with you on your mind. A lot of the songs today in our prayers of worship is self-oriented. It points back to flesh. So in other words, it points back to the old man.
Sid: American Christianity points back to the old man.
Renny: One hundred percent. And so without realizing it, if it doesn’t involve us we don’t know how to receive. And so what’s happening today is this, is there’s an in and out of the presence of God. There’s the presence of God and then it turns to you. It never stays on Him. And so I was teaching this principle that your worship goes to the degree of your revelation. When your revelation stops, that’s where your worship ends. And so there’s a continual revelation of who He is.
Sid: Listen Renny, you have the most wonderful teaching on worship. Everyone needs to understand worship because, you know, I’ve been studying healing for a long time. And if someone says, what is the one thing, the one thing to get your healing, and I was forced to do, say one thing, I would say learn how to worship God to bring the Glory of God right upon you and then access everything you need in Heaven. When we come back I’m going to ask Renny some time in this show to worship the way he does at home, and I want you to come in on this and I want Heaven to invade Earth. I want eternity to invade where you are right now. Be right back.