SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest went, in five years now, from zero miracles to over 3000 miracles. He has meetings where a hundred percent of the people are healed. In fact, he just got back from, I think, five meetings like that in a row, a hundred percent healed. He says, and I believe him, that he’s shocked when people aren’t healed. That’s normal. He wants to make you normal. Are you ready? My guest is Art Thomas, and as you can probably see, he’s 30. What a great age. That’s when the Messiah started. That’s actually when I was called into ministry, when I was 30 years of age. It’s a good time. But Art, I never did what you’re doing. I’m going to, but I never did what you’re doing. You just got back from Uganda. Now tell me about the meetings, how many did you have where everyone was healed?
ART: Out of roughly ten meetings, we had five of them where we saw a hundred percent results.
SID: You know something, when I talk to him, he kind of thinks this is normal. You know that this isn’t normal, Art.
ART: It is now. It is now.
SID: Do you believe that everyone watching us can do what you can do or do you have just a special gift?
ART: No, no. Jesus said in Mark 16, “These signs will accompany those who believe.” That’s the only qualifier. It was not if you’re old enough, if you’ve got credentials, if you’ve had enough experience, if you have enough fruit of the spirit. It was, “if you believe.” And so we have people, a lot of these meetings, I’ll have someone just get saved. Usually I’ll grab one of the kids. They’ve just asked Jesus into their heart, and they come up and show everybody else how to minister healing.
SID: Did they really get healed?
ART: It always works.
SID: Always. I like always. How about you? Okay. I’m going to take you back to 2003, and you had a visitation from an angel. What happened?
ART: Yeah. I was working with a church plant and we were just praying. And I was wanting a life of miracles so desperately. So what I did, you know, I’m praying, God, would you make this happen, and while I’m seeking miracles, this angel appeared to me. I saw it in my spirit, it wasn’t my physical eyes, but it said to me, “The only thing necessary for a life of miracles is the presence of God. So stop seeking miracles and just seek him.” And I learned in time that it wasn’t even about seeking his presence, because he’s always here.
SID: Yes. But you know, I see when you pray, as casual as you are now. Why don’t you work something up?
ART: You don’t have.
SID: Shout just a little bit.
ART: John says, “The anointing you’ve received abides in you.” It doesn’t say it abides in you if you’re in the right mindset or if you shout loud enough, you know. He’s with you all the time if he lives in you. So I just, you know, I’m down to earth because Jesus is down to earth. In fact, that’s the whole thing he did, he came from Heaven down to Earth to be like us.
SID: Okay. And then the latter part of 2003, you have a vision of Heaven. Already you’re provoking me to jealousy. But you know that’s the call of the Gentile, to provoke the Jew to jealousy. Come on now, that’s your call, Gentiles.
ART: Yeah. You know, we were at a men’s prayer meeting with a small group of men that I was a part of and as we were praying, the best I can call it is a trance, you know, like Peter had when he was, you know, seeing about the Gentiles being saved. And during that time, it was like I was walking in the woods, that were like a beautiful woods that I had never seen before. Everything is lush and green. And even though it’s a thick canopy of leaves over my head, everything is bright and vibrant. And then I realized Jesus was walking next to me. And he took me over to the base of this tree and peeled back the grass as though it was freshly laid with sod, ran his fingers through this rich soil, and he said, “You see everything in my Father’s Kingdom is full of life.” And I said, “What do you mean? The soil is alive?” He said, “No, no, no. I didn’t say it’s alive. I said it’s full of life. Everything in my Father’s Kingdom is full of life. In fact, as a citizen of this Kingdom, you, too are full of life. You are a life-bringing who is full of life.” And then I realized in John 5, Jesus said, “Just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he chooses.” And I used to think that verse was only about Jesus. But I realized it was right on the heels of him saying that the Son does nothing by himself. He only does what he sees his Father doing, which is also true of me. I can’t do anything by myself. I can only do what he does.
SID: Is that why you’re almost like in an observer? You read what God does, in the Bible, and you just do what he does.
ART: If he says it, it’s true. It’s impossible for God to lie.
SID: I’ll tell you what. You have child-like faith. Did anyone ever tell you that? Never grow up.
ART: I believe you.
SID: Okay. I’m commanding you, never grow up. Okay. You saw a video with Todd White.
ART: I saw a YouTube video. I saw Todd White on there, and he said, “Mark 16, Verses 17 and 18, says, ‘These signs will accompany those who believe,'” and it lists them. And he said, “And that means if these signs don’t accompany you, there must be something up with your belief.” Now I was a youth pastor. I got credentials in the Pentecostal denomination. Surely my belief is perfect, right? You can’t tell me there’s something wrong with my belief. So it made me mad, actually. And in order to prove Todd wrong, I started searching. I threw away, not threw away, but set aside every book I had been reading, every Podcast I had been listening to. For three months, I studied only the four Gospels, The Book of Acts and people who were doing the stuff or had done the stuff like John G. Lake, Smith Wigglesworth, and many of the contemporaries. And when I saw the common thread among them all, which was that they all believed it was always God’s will to heal, and they believed that Jesus paid the price for it with his own blood. He wouldn’t pay for something that he didn’t want, that’s what tipped me over the edge. And I decided, all right, I believe this, I’m going for it.
SID: First miracle, tell me about it.
ART: Well I came to that conclusion three months later. I got up in my youth group and I preached, God wants to heal and he wants to use you to do it. And I still had never laid hands on anybody and seen them healed. But I preached it with boldness. And I had these kids break up into the groups and had them lay hands on each other and minister healing. And I stood back because I still didn’t actually believe God was going to use me, even though I preached it with such boldness. And there was an intern at our church named Josh who had an ear infection and some seventh grade boys were praying for him. And he came up and he said, “Pastor, I feel really bad. They prayed for me, nothing happened. What should I do?” From what I had seen on YouTube, I said, “Well just tell him to minister to you again.” I didn’t know, right? So he goes back to lay hands on him again. This time the seventh grade boys come up, “Pastor, I tried everything. What do we do?” Now I’m just, again, I don’t think I can do anything. I’m just trying to be a smart aleck youth pastor who thinks of something they haven’t tried yet. So I go, “What did you try?” They said, “We laid hands on him.” We said, “Be healed in Jesus’ name. We prayed for him, we asked God to do it. Nothing worked.” I said, “Did you try this?” And I walked up to him and stuck my finger in his ear, and I said, “Open,” just as a joke. And the intern goes, “Oh my goodness, that worked.” Of course, I said the same thing.
SID: Man of great faith.
ART: What I learned out of that is that it’s not so much about what you need to do, it’s about who you believe. I didn’t have to feel the right feeling, think the right thoughts, say the right word. Just let Jesus do what he wants to.
SID: Okay. He says it’s so simple that his two-year-old son prays for a miracle. I want to find out about that when we come back.
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Tags: its supernatural, Sid Roth