Sid: I have a young man on the telephone his name is Charles Ndifon he’s from Nigeria. His office is in Johnston, Rhode Island, and I’m speaking to him by way of telephone. Charles on yesterday’s broadcast we found out in 1987 you had an encounter with Jesus that totally transformed your life; the next thing that happened you went to a ward of incurables. They called it the dying ward, and every single incurable was healed. There are over a hundred thousand documented miracles that occurred in the nation of Denmark under your ministry. I’ll tell you something that interest me, we Jewish people have a Hebrew word it’s called “Chutzpah,” it’s called nerve, and I’ve noticed that many Africans that come to the Lord have this boldness more so than we do in the west. You really exhibited chutzpah when you went into a Mongolian prison, tell me about that.
Charles: Oh that was fascinating. What happened was we were told it was a maximum security prison in Mongolia. Basically the worst gang members were incarcerated there. We went over on a Sunday morning and we were surprised that the people were just, I mean you could see their situation the living conditions were terrible. When we came over there I began to introduce myself and talked to them about why I came. I noticed they had different clicks of people, and I was informed later on that it was basically people from different gangs. When I started speaking they kind of looked at me with disdain like “Who is this guy, what is he doing here, who does he think he is?” You know the kind of attitude you find in a “Tough guy.” What was interesting I realized for me to get their attention something must happen that would shake them, something miraculous must happen. So what I did was the Holy Spirit just told me “Tell them bring the first few people to come up here. If they don’t get healed, then we’re false prophets we can leave.
So the people were very fascinated when I made that immediate they brought a man that was deaf…
Sid: Wait a second, if they call you a false prophet you can leave. I assume, even though it’s in a prison, get pretty violent with you. I mean you’re taking a pretty big risk Charles.
Charles: Of course, that’s exactly the point because these are people that are known to do crazy things. In fact, the man that was deaf was beaten in prison until he became deaf 5 years earlier. So that’s a real situation, they knew how he got deaf. So they brought him forward, that was kind of a…
Sid: So everyone knew he was deaf and how he got deaf.
Charles: Yes they know his story very well. So it couldn’t be we planted him in a prison. (Laughing) So what happened was when we came there I told them “Jesus is the same and He’s alive today, whatever He did for all of this He will do for you.” Then I immediately I called a man who came forward instantly his hearing opened. You should have seen the response of the people it arrested their attention immediately.
Sid: Isn’t that the purpose of a miracle?
Charles: That’s what it is, that’s what it is. The Bible says “The people came when they saw the miracles that Jesus did.” They followed Him because miracles tend to authenticate the message, the miracles authenticate He is really alive, and He’s who He says He is. Immediately when that happened something just broke in that place. Immediately another gentleman said to me “Well if this other one gets healed we will believe.” I thought “Well okay this is easy,” they were actually setting themselves up and God was answering their questions. They brought a man who had some crippling condition, and they figured if that one gets healed they’ll believe too. Immediately he gets healed. When that happened I said “How many believe that Jesus is real?” Immediately they all put their hands up. I said “How many people want to receive Jesus?” They did it was wonderful they were weeping; miracles began to occur all through the jail. They were coming all these tough guys weeping like little babies. When they came there it was amazing to behold. Sometimes when I look at those pictures I just say “Wow! My eyes could see those things.”
Sid: Now I’m thinking that Mongolia is not particularly a Christian nation. I think of Buddhist, etcetera. Did many people come to the Lord when you ministered in Mongolia?
Charles: Oh yes, many came. We were told that when we came there was less than 2,000 to 3,000 believers in the whole country. When we came back the second year they had gone to over 60,000 believers. In the campaign we had in the stadium we had over 50,000 decision cards that were filled. The churches doubled and tripled after we left. They all attributed that to the miracle campaigns that happened then. I remember when we came the first time there, we had a press conference with the media, the Mongolian media. They kept saying to me “You know we are Buddhist?” I said “I know that,” I said “I didn’t come to bring religion to you, I came to bring life to you. That Jesus comes to give life and abundance.” I said “This is life from heaven for Mongolia,” and the surprised. Then in the press conference some of the press people began to get healed. That was a shock to them; that got their attention. First of all, they didnot really agree when they saw all the pictures from Denmark and all those places. So what we did was we had to go to Mongolia to the other regions, they had 2 other places we went to, and miracles. So what happened was we brought back a truckload of crutches and wheelchairs, and things. So when we came to the second press conference we told them “Go outside and look we have all those crutches,” and we began to show them the pictures from the 2 other places we’d been to in Mongolia before we came to the capital city. So when they saw that, they saw people that looked like them healed; they were so surprised. Almost a week later there was a surprise, but then they didn’t have time to publicize anything; we went to the stadium and the miracles got the attention of the whole nation.
Sid: I’m looking here from country to country; you’re going to France, again that’s a country I don’t think of filled with born again Spirit filled Christians. According to my notes, 5,000 Catholic priests and nuns were healed and saved, and filled with the Spirit?
Charles: What happened was, every session of the meetings they had about over 5,000 people; they were Catholics, non-Catholics. This is the first time they were able to get together, the real French people not the immigrants now, the real French people coming to meetings like this. The miracles got their attention and gnomes and the priests they were so enthusiastic about the whole meeting. When they saw the miracles they helping the sick, and helping heal the sick, it was amazing what happened. So basically every session they had over 5,000 people, and what happened almost like a refreshing. There was kind of an overlapping; we had 2,000 or 3,000 leave, and then 2,000 or 3,000 would come to the next session, so we had like 3 sessions a day. It was amazing to see. In total there weren’t just 5,000 people there were people that had come from the surrounding, basically from the French speaking world; they came to those meetings from Switzerland, from France, from Belgium that came to those meetings. It was fascinating to see over 5,000 people per meeting being touched by the power of God.
Sid: Many Muslims getting healed in the meetings you have?
Charles: Quite a lot of them came there too. Some of them said “They came because they had heard of the miracles that happened the day before.” The same thing with the Catholic priests and the nuns, they came. One of the keys that opened the doors up for the Catholics to come, now they love the people; what happened was that one of our friends Carlos Pian had honored the Catholics. What he did was he went and washed the feet of the people before we came just to honor them and let them know our heart was coming to serve. So for 2 days they were talking about miracles happening, miracles happening until I got up, then in about half-hour they saw literally hundreds healed, and they were so shocked, because this was they had been expecting.
Sid: Now I think in terms of an evangelist like a T.L. Osborn that went to India, and Africa, and the countries throughout the world so that these people could see the miracle power of God. Well you were at a T.L. Osborn meeting in another country and what did the Spirit of God tell you?
Charles: It was amazing. That was back in Nigeria in 1988. He had come down there for a conference; I still remember vividly the title of the conference “He is Alive, I’m Alive.” What happened was, I was still in college, but I was doing ministry already, I was already travelling and doing things. When he came there he preached for 15 minutes, and I went home and cried the rest of the day. I’ve never seen a man talk so much about Jesus, and shoot so much about Jesus. He preached 15 minutes and he made a statement that changed my life. He said “God has sent me to Africa to tell you that the Gospel really works. To show you it works.” Almost instantly I heard almost like a very loud sound of the Holy Spirit, very loud voice telling me “Go to America and enter their works, they’re over saved and worked in Africa.Go and show them in America it works.” I thought, the first thought that came to my mind “Lord they have all the great preachers in America.” I heard the Holy Spirit speak back to me immediately He said “They have not seen one like you.” I thought “Who am I to go to America they have everything,” and the Lord said “Go and I’ll go with you.” So when I came to the United States, I expected well they should recognize God has sent me; I was so surprised the first introduction was my luggage got stolen at JFK. When I arrived in the United States I arrived in Pennsylvania, Clarion University of Pennsylvania. When I arrived there immediately people started getting healed.
Sid: I tell you what, hold that thought we’re out of time today.
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