Sid: My guest is Norvel Hayes one of the generals of the faith; I told one man today because he says every time I look at what I was before what I was before I became a believer in Jesus I get sad because I did all these things. I said, “I’ve got some news for you, take that entire testimony put it in a metal trash can and burn it and thank God that person doesn’t exist anymore.” And that’s a word for someone that’s listening to us right now. But I have followed your career for many years as a baby believer you were on the Full Gospel Businessman’s Circuit Norvel and so I heard you a lot and if I had gotten to know you there was a question that I wanted I didn’t even know that you even had a book on it. The question that I wanted to ask you is you told me that you did tell me you said publicly because I didn’t know you personally; that you had 14 businesses. Some of them were million dollar businesses and God was the best businessman in the world because He would tell you what to do; He would tell you what to invest in. And what I found out was that you understood worship. You had a revelation of worship and I wanted to know it; I didn’t realize that you had a book on the subject. How did you even know that worship was so important, but did God give you a revelation that worship was so important?
Norvel: Yeah 3 times Sid in 20 years God manifested Himself to me about the lack of worship that was going on in churches. He said “When I look at my church I’m sad that their lacking because people don’t worship me enough and when they don’t worship me enough they don’t live the abundant life; you can’t have abundant life if you don’t worshiping Me.” Three times in 20 years He talked to me about the lack of worship in the church. Well, I’m in LA Sid and the guy that Pastors the Eagle’s Nest Church in LA he invited me to come and stay 3 days to teach on worship so I went. And I taught on worship twice on Sunday morning, the first church on Sunday morning I taught and then they gave a break. And I had another service and they started up the second service and a man he didn’t know what I spoke on the first service; he gave a prophesy out loud and strong about the importance of worship and God really got a hold of me through that prophesy and so I sat down and I started writing that book, I said “I got to write the book.”
Sid: That’s the book we’re offering called “A Worship.” Norvel you have a handle on it that this generation does not understand; you have a handle on faith that this generation does not understand; teach me this was a question that I wanted to ask you 40 years ago. So I’ll ask you now it’s a little late “How do you worship?” What do you do normally when you worship not necessarily how long but what do you do? He’s raising his hands to God and he’s closing his eyes.
Norvel: Heavenly Father, I come to you and I worship You and I bless Your Holy Name, thank You Lord and I love You Jesus. Thank You Lord and what You’ve done for me Jesus; I want my life to count for You. Lord I want you to let me go where you want me to go; I want You to do what You what You want me to do; I want You to show me know. I worship You Jesus and I praise that wonderful Name and I praise the good Name of the Lord. And Sid I love the book of Psalms because it’s a lot of worship goes on in song.
Sid: By the way the anointing just upped when you were worshiping God to demonstrate because you were not demonstrating you were really worshiping God. I could feel a tangible presence of God increase; go ahead.
Norvel: And so I wrote that book on worship 3 times; after 3 times in 20 years He dealt with me the lack of worship, the lack of what people are receiving from Him. And I said “Well, Lord…” He said “I want you to teach My people how to talk.” I said “I go to a lot of places what do you want me to talk about?” He said “I’m not talking about that, I’m talking to the mountains and worshiping Me and talking to the mountains and making them disappear from you and worshiping Me and worshiping Me and the lack of worship cuts people’s benefits off they can’t get as much for what they want from me if they don’t worship Me. You got to put first things first the first commandment is worshiping Me loving Me with all their heart, mind and soul, and then the second commandment if you’ll notice is the scripture that is as great as the first. And that’s about loving your neighbor as yourself and poor people is your neighbors and God wants you to help them and if you’ll help them.” I started helping them about 30 years ago Sid and He said “He that feedeth the poor I will restore his health to him speedily. I will restore his health to him speedily if he feeds the poor.” About 35 years ago I started feeding the poor and I’ve been feeding the poor ever since every day; tomorrow I’ve been feeding the poor hundreds of them and God will bless you; God will bless anybody who feedeth the poor.
Sid: I’m curious I know but you have to raise a lot of money you have a home for unwed-mothers, you help the needy, you gave up a lot of your businesses because God wanted you to concentrate on the ministry. Do you use high pressure techniques to raise money, candidly between you and me.
Norvel: No.
Sid: How do you raise money is it difficult you have a big budget.
Norvel: God does it for my kids it will startle you if I tell you.
Sid: Tell me.
Norvel: Just a few days ago I won’t tell you where or when I won’t tell you the Pastors name. I spoke to a little church I love that pastor and I speak for him every year and usually twice a year he wants me to come. He has about 40, 50, 60 people and I spoke forth the other night and just a few days ago. He toke up an offering for my ministry I got through speaking plus he’s a businessman in that church wrote me a check for 50 thousand dollars plus the offering speaking to 40 or 50 people.
Sid: Are you telling me that you don’t have to use high pressure manipulative things.
Norvel: No no you don’t.
Sid: Your telling me you have to do two things you have to worship God and you have to help people that need financial help.
Norvel: And if you want to be successful in businesses; I made Jesus my business partner. I’d walk to and fro from my office and I’d tell Jesus during the day “You’re the best business partner that I’ve ever had, You’re the best business partner I’ve ever had; thank you Lord for being my business partner.” Then when He sees that you’ll feed the poor and you’ll help little kids out. I go to the city dump with my Cadillac car and tailor made suit and everything making several thousand a week. Every time I’d go the devil would say “You are crazy, what are you doing over here this is not your class of people you shouldn’t come over here.” See I knew that God wanted me to do it. And the garbage trucks would come into the city dump and little kids out there that their daddy’s left the mothers got 3 or 4 little kids and they all sleep under a tree. And the big garbage truck comes in a lot of dump trucks and they dump it out like this. And the little kids got a stick about that long and they go out there barefooted and they start moving stuff that come out of the garbage truck.
Sid: So they’re searching through the garbage because they’re starving. That has to break your heart but it has to also break God’s heart.
Norvel: The average American person that’s listening to us are in this country Sid they have no earthly idea how many American people, and I’m not talking about overseas, American people starve to death last year.
Sid: Your right we’re in a little bubble. You know like you said, someone your level doesn’t go to the garbage dump to see people that are struggling to get garbage to eat and so we’re almost like ostriches. We want to see no evil, hear no evil, taste no evil, smell no evil.
Norvel: That’s exactly right, if people would worship God and help feed the poor and stuff I’m 86 years old and I have a certain doctor that still makes house calls; him and 5 other doctors they examine me usually every year. Examine me for free they just want to do it and they examine me; they say I’ve never seen anybody like you in my life; and he says they call me all the time and says “I’ve been a doctor for 40 years I have never examined a human being as healthy as that man” and he said to me he said “The only people in the world as healthy as you are is a 17 year old boy that’s never been married.”
Sid: Hm, now what do you attribute and it’s look at 86 “What do you attribute to your supernatural health Norvel?
Norvel: Feeding the poor and worshiping the Lord.
Sid: Alright, you just heard it from Norvel Hayes one of the generals of the faith. I mean I believe we’re coming in to the most treacherous times in the history of the world, especially in the history of America. They don’t have to be treacherous for you. I believe that he’s just told you two things.
Tags: its supernatural, Sid Roth
Tags: its supernatural, Sid Roth