SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Delores Winder. So if you just came on, Delores had this horrible, horrible disease. She was given a death sentence. They severed her nerves so she had no feeling. They don’t even do this type of surgery today. And this doctor walks up to her, has a word of knowledge, tells her to take this off. This is a body brace and a neck cast. She takes it off. I’m still amazed you took it off, Delores. And they carry her up to the platform where Miss Kuhlman is there. And what happened next?
DELORES: Then she said to me, “Walk.” And I said, “I can’t walk.” And I had very little voice because the second cordotomy, when they went through the throat, paralyzed my vocal chords. And I didn’t think she heard me when I said “I can’t” because she said, again, “Walk.” And I pushed my foot out to show her I couldn’t. It came up off the floor. It came down on the floor and I thought, I feel the floor. No you can’t feel the floor. But I had to get the other foot out because the man had not moved up and my body was so crooked I knew if they let go of me I would fall. So I pulled the other foot up and it came off the floor. It came down and I thought, I feel the floor. No you don’t feel the floor. You can’t feel the floor. And suddenly I felt my fingertips started going up. And they said I was looking at my hand and they got up so far and I started screaming, “I can feel! I can feel!” She told me to walk. She had no idea what was going on. I ran on the platform, came back, and she said to me, “Bend over.” And my doctors could only bend me so far. And I started to bend over and realized I was free. I could bend. And I touched the floor. And there was a doctor from Dallas sitting on the platform and he didn’t believe any of this. And he said, suddenly a hush fell, and he looked up and he saw my body straighten, and he said, “If that doesn’t make me a believer out of you, nothing will.”
SID: In other words, he saw your body crooked and could see it straighten before his very eyes.
DELORES: Yes. And he said, and the next year he introduced us at the Methodist Holy Spirit Conference. But I was in shock because I didn’t believe anything like this.
SID: They tell me that you ran.
DELORES: I ran.
SID: And you don’t even remember it. How could you run? How could you do that, Delores?
Delores; I don’t know.
SID: Okay. This great miracle occurs. She goes home in a state of shock. I have to ask you, what did your son that was so important, your adopted son, say when he saw you?
DELORES: He ran out to the car and I was getting out of the car by myself and for the first time that he ever saw that happen, and he picked me up and started carrying me across the street screaming, “You were healed! You were healed!” But before we went we had an incident where he said me, “Mother, you’re going to be healed.” And I said, “No honey, that doesn’t happen and I’m not coming home any different than I’m going. But I will have an answer for you. Can you understand that?” And he said, “Yes ma’am.” And I jokingly said, “That was my last Methodist Presbyterian Sunday school lesson. Miracles are not for today.”
SID: How about the doctor? What was his reaction?
DELORES: He was so amazed. He was waiting for a phone call from Bill to say that I had died. And when he walked in the room I told him, “Don’t tell him I’m here.” When he walked in the room and saw me. He said to me, “What’s happened?” He said, “You look different. What are you doing?” And I said, “I want you to check me.” And he started checking me and he got me up on the table, and I could turn over by myself. And he started running his hands down my spine. He said, “It’s straight.” And this shoulder was so bad that he couldn’t touch it before. And he was pressing on it and said, “Is that hurting?” And I said, “No, it’s not hurting.” And finally, he looked at me and he said, “I suppose you want me to use the pin, too.” And I said, “Yes.” And he barely touched my foot and I said, “It’s sharp.” He said, “All right.” And he said, “That’s all. Tell me what happened, but let me sit down.” And he sat on his stool with tears just dripped. And I said to him, “Van, tell me another way this could have happened.” And he said, “There’s no other way. This is truly a miracle of God and you have work to do for Him.”
SID: I would like you to see her husband, Bill, in his own words describing the worst state that Delores was in and the change.
Bill (video): She was in, we were in the kitchen and she was beating her fists upon the wall saying, “Lord, why don’t you take me!” Last they weighed her, she weighed 73 pounds and I’m sure at the time of healing she weighed less than that. She was one, in fact, when she got those percutaneous cordotomies, they’d go into the base of the spine and they’d fill all of hers for the feeling of your body. When she got that she was able then to maneuver a little bit more than usual. I never did this to the sense had to carry her. I had to assist her in and out of bed and so on. We had a hospital bed. And thought when she got the percutaneous cordotomy it would mean that she was naturally going into a wheelchair and that was it. And the type of person she is, she wouldn’t accept that. So she would, in fact, around the house, she’d push a chair around. She walked like a spastic person at first because she could not have any feeling. She didn’t know where her legs were. In order to move one leg she had to look down and see which one was forward in order to move the other one. So but to say which is the worst time, I don’t know. It was all pretty traumatic. I guess the first thing I really noticed was her back was straight. It had never been because her one leg was an inch and half shorter than the other because the hip had crushed up. She’s the only person in this world that we know that was healed of percutaneous cordotomies. It’s an irreversible process.
SID: Well Bill had a brand new wife. In fact, she was so new that she would start teaching Bible studies. And one of the things she disliked about Kathryn Kuhlman was when Kathryn Kuhlman would touch people the Spirit of the Living God would be so tangible it would literally push that person over and they’d fall to the ground. Delores, what happened at your Bible study?
DELORES: We got a phone call. Someone was in the hospital in critical condition. Well we prayed. We started praying, and I knew I didn’t want to touch anyone because my hands were hot.
SID: Why were your hands hot?
DELORES: I didn’t know yet. But I understood I didn’t want to touch anyone when my hands were hot. And this woman had trouble getting up and I went to help her up, and when I did I brushed against another woman who fell over her, and then I stepped back and brushed against somebody else and they fell. And then going out the door I had a woman in a wheelchair, and I didn’t know what had happened. But as I was going out the door I brushed against her and she fell out of the chair, and I was shook.
SID: Now all these people at this Bible study that are falling down under the power of God, Delores is very reluctant in all this. Did you put your hands in your pockets so they–
DELORES: I did. I did.
SID: I believe you did that.
DELORES: I did.
SID: And so she doesn’t know what’s going on. She then finds out all these people are being physically healed and over the years, you see, I believe Delores Winder received the same anointing that Kathryn Kuhlman received. I believe that the miracles of Miss Kuhlman are the same miracles that occurred with Delores Winder And she has put together keys of knowing the Holy Spirit like Miss Kuhlman did, keys of understanding healing that are vital, that’s almost been lost to this generation. Not almost been, has been lost to this generation. So the question I have for you is, do you know the Holy Spirit?
SID: Do you, Miss Kuhlman would say, “I don’t want to even go on a platform without His presence being on me.” The way you know the Holy Spirit is to know Jesus.
SID: And then ask the Holy Spirit to fill you with His presence. Do that right now. I feel it. Don’t you?