Sid: My guest, Dr. Renny McLean. I’ve interviewed him previously, and for those that aren’t familiar with Renny; you have quite a unique heritage. Your father’s Jamaican, your mother is Jewish and before we went on the air I was going to ask you the question, but I said no let him explain it on the air. Tell me a bit about, I mean every time I hear about a Jewish person coming to the Lord there is something supernatural involved. How did your mother come to the Lord?
Renny: Well, I’ll tell you Sid, I must say that it was totally prophetic how my mother came to the Lord. First of all, my mother was first generation born in the Islands, in the islands of the Portuguese Jews and it’s very interesting. She really had a visitation really but wasn’t fully convinced and then sixty-five years ago there was a man called T.L. Osborn and I think that you have heard of that name.
Sid: I sure have, his book on healing is a classic.
Renny: Oh, it’s incredible well my mother was at his first meetings he did in the islands over sixty something years ago; and that is where she saw signs, wonders and incredible miracles that to this day she is still talks about and that was really convinced her to turn. That was what really; I would say that is what did it for her.
Sid: You know, just like you’ve had a supernatural experience I’m just curious, did she have a supernatural experience with Jesus?
Renny: Oh yes, she saw the Lord, she definitely saw the Lord I mean there is no question my mother saw the Lord and when she saw the Lord, there is several things I tell people about when you see the Lord Sid. There are times when you first see the Lord and it depends on the way that He comes to you, sometimes it’s dramatic, sometimes it’s not and then it can just be in any way He chooses to come. But I’ll tell you the first time my mother saw the Lord, my mother was a child and you got to remember that this was really hard for her because her mother, who was my grandmother was extremely harsh and really wanted nothing to do with Jesus you know with Yeshua. And so when my mother did have an encounter with the Lord, you know, like Mary she pondered it for awhile, is this real, is it right and whatever and you know the more she really pondered about it she became more convinced about who He was. And then when she heard that Brother Osborn was coming to town, well she sneaked to the crusade that he was having, she literally sneaked to the grounds. Ha-ha. And then when she saw signs, wonders and miracles she saw that same Jesus in a man. And that was really, I would say really where she totally changed and gave her heart totally to the Lord. So for her it was visitation and then by way of miracles and demonstrations afterwards.
Sid: Renny, you got saved as a child and as a child you started seeing miracles; I mean people were healed of cancer. And is it because that heritage your mother had of starting out with T.L. Osborn that it was just natural for you. I mean how does a young child move in miracles?
Renny: Well, you know that’s a great question Sid and let me say it to you like this. I think for me it was relatively easy being a child because a child has no resistance to God in that in a child it is easy for a child to flow into things of God. Because when you are a child your reason is not fully educated or fully developed so you got less resistance to the supernatural. So for me really the supernatural was really normal.
Sid: Well when you were very young you had an encounter with the Lord, tell me about that.
Renny: Yes, when I was first saw the Lord I was really a child I mean I mean I had several encounters when I was young. But what I never forgot one night I went to bed and you know when I said my prayers like most kids would say and I just went to bed, put my head on the pillow and not expecting anything or really looking for anything and I guess that’s what happens and after awhile you just do what you do you go through the emotions. And I just went to bed and about five minutes after that a supernatural light came in my room. A light came in my room and a presence came with it. And then I pulled the sheet off, I mean Jesus stood at the end of my bed and there were two angelic beings with Him and when He stood there the four corners of the room fell out and then even though I was on my bed in the earth, but I was in the heavens and I was on my feet.
Sid: Now when you saw Jesus did He look like a real person or was it kind of shadowy or what?
Renny: No, He wasn’t a shadow at all it was a real person. His eyes were like crystal, His eyes were like crystal to me, to me they were like crystal. They pierced everything they looked at, but all you could sense was His presence and power and His compassion. And even though you’re conscious that He knows everything about you, good and bad, but for whatever the reason you are so overwhelmed by His love. And I think for me, he came to me in a way, I think because I was a child it was easier for me because I hadn’t done sin or nothing like that so I guess I didn’t have that kind of consciousness so I was really saved in the word saved. So it was in total innocence, it was in total innocence. And when you know when He stood before me and then I realized that I was no longer on the earth He said to me, this is where you will go and He stretched His hand out and out of His hand I just saw the earth; and I just saw, you know I saw the earth and I saw the stars around the earth you know signifying its dimension that it’s in and all of a sudden, and all of a sudden I saw the stars from the heavens get thrown to the earth. And He said to me, this is where you will go, this is where you’ll go and you know true to the Lord said; I’ve been to the earth. I’m still yet going to the earth, but you know that commission has taken me to the world and He said to me that you’ll bring the revelation of My glory to generations. I mean, this is what’s prophetic Sid, He never said to my generation, He said to generations and I knew that the message that the Lord would give me as I would grow in Him it would not necessarily be a generational message because it would be total inclusive message to no matter what generation it is. And I found out Sid, that when I begin to teach the things on the glory of God or the Spirit of God, God gives me the ability to break it down that from the youngest person to the oldest person can actually comprehend it. And that’s one thing I say about the Spirit of Revelation, it gives you the ability to comprehend and that’s part of my gifting.
Sid: Well, you know that I find when I read your books or when I listen to your teaching it is easy to understand, but yet it’s so profound that I have to listen to it multiple times, to catch the depth of what’s your saying.
Renny: But Sid you know what I’m hearing even right now as we’re talking right now Sid. Do you know why you do, because when I’m standing there ministering the revelation of God before I say to people, what people don’t know is is that that’s not the way I heard it. I’m saying it the way I broke it down. So you’re probably picking up the depth of what I didn’t say, which you caught, oh my God, which means you caught the Spirit of it.
Sid: …I believe very few Christians even understand this concept and if they don’t understand how to operate outside of time they’re not going to do the same things Jesus did. And He promised us that we would do this. According to my notes here everything you teach really came from revelation from the Lord.
Renny: Yes, it did, yes it did, I mean thank God that I’m educated with the Word, but I found out that when started…can I give you a quick testimony, Sid because it is hitting my spirit so strong?
Sid: Please.
Renny: When the Lord really started to move strongly in my life by the Spirit of Revelation I would say it was in the very early ‘80s because I’d have a lot of angelic encounters. And I must say and it wasn’t something that I necessarily seek, but I noticed that it was during my times of fasting. It was during my times of fasting and I’m a great disciplinarian to myself. You know, I do not take phone calls, my wife will tell you I’m just not that way at all. I literally cut myself off and my fasting consists of prayer and worship and really being quiet before Him. You know because when you’re quiet and you’re still before Him you begin to fall off, dust begins to fall off this earth called you. And you become more refined in His presence and you’re able to comprehend a lot quicker and I found out that during those times revelation would just come to me with an ease and it’s not that I was necessarily seeking it, but it would just, you know the Lord would just drop it in my spirit. And then there were times that He would just drop it in my spirit and then there’s just times I would have angelic visitations. A lot of the prophetic things I shared came from those visitations in the ‘80s and a lot of those things are happening now. And so for me I’d genuinely say it’s a combination of things.
Sid: Well, from my viewpoint almost every paragraph I read or every sentence I hear you teach its nuggets and you said it actually prophetically to me a few minutes ago; I’m even hearing beyond what’s you’re saying. And that’s why I have to keep listening to it, but I believe that when our Mishpochah get a hold of this message that the same thing that happened to me is going to happen to them. And I believe that this is a vital, I mean an absolutely vital missing element in their comprehension of the difference between the promise of God and the manifestation of that promise. Everyone that’s a real believer believes that God has all these promises and it’s true and it’s for everyone, but somehow they haven’t been able to have it manifest. This is the missing link…I personally believe that everything in the supernatural we can access when we understand these keys.