Hello, Sid Roth here with Michele Perry, and we are finding out that Michele went to the Toronto Airport church and she really had an encounter with the Lord, but it wasn’t exactly what, as much as she really was looking for, so she gets on the plane, she say well that’s, I mean it was good but it wasn’t what I was looking for and she gets on the plane and she see this man walking by her and there is a seat next to her and he sits down right next to her and this man happens to be Jesus. What happened next?

Michele: Well I was enjoying the fact that Jesus was sitting next to me and I looked up and the ceiling of the plane had disappeared and I could see the atmosphere and I was, I was a bit freaked out by it.

Sid: Yeah plans have difficulty flying in the air with thee top missing.

Michele: I have seen that in the movies you know, but I looked around and nobody else seemed to be bothered and so I thought maybe it was just me and when I looked up I was xhoommmmmmmmmmm. Vacuum suctioned up to heaven and Jesus and I we were in heaven and we were dancing on the crystal sea and it was just, ah it was so amazing.

Sid: they told me that when you were dancing with Jesus, you were dancing on the crystal sea, what was this crystal sea like?

Michele: Well it looks like crystal but it has light and different colors and like lightening coming through it and it was just so, ah it is really awesome, it is really cool.

Sid: And I understand when you danced with Jesus you don’t dance with just your one leg.

Michele: Oh heavens no, I have two legs in heaven, that’s reality.

Sid: So you actually probably like to spend more time in heaven than on earth.

Michele: My goal is to live there and visit here.

Sid: Michele, I have interviewed many people that have talked about a parts room in heaven, have you ever visited the parts room?

Michele: I sure have Sid.

Sid: Tell – describe what it looks like. The parts room is body parts that are available for us on earth, so tell me what it looks like.

Michele: It’s honestly, it is a little bit strange, it is like a warehouse and you kind of have eyeballs blinking on a shelf and lungs breathing in a corner, and you have rows and rows of different packages and it is a little odd, but it is definitely cool okay, it is just out there. The first time I went, I have gone twice, the first time I went Jesus took me to one section and he pulled this suction sealed pack together of all the parts I was missing and it had my name on it and he called some angels over and he said take it to shipping so it’s on it’s way.

Sid: My gosh, so what happened the second time you were in the parts room?

Michele: Well I was with a friend of mine and we were praying and we both got taken up and she was talking to one of the angels that were there that apparently handled delivery and tracking, a tracking system, that’s so nice. So I called over to her and I said hey honey find out about if they know about a package for Michele Perry, and so she did not know my precious encounter, I had not told her at that point, so she asked the angel and he said well it was here but it had been sent to shipping.

Sid: Did she know your story.

Michele: No, no, no, no, she didn’t, and then I said, wow, it’s been sent to shipping, so ask them where it is going. And she did, and it’s coming to Africa.

Sid: So in this life, on this side of heaven, do you believe you are going to get a new hip, new leg, new kidney, and as a matter of fact the last time I talked with you which was a while ago, you had really pain in your back. Do you have a metal rod in there?

Michele: Two metal rods.

Sid: I see; are you getting a new spine, is that part of your package?

Michele: Absolutely, I am going to be 5’6″.

Sid: You already know this?

Michele: Un-huh.

Sid: Is this hope or do you really believe this?

Michele: I really believe it.

Sid: Michele, I believe it too, I absolutely believe it, in fact we have a date on this television show when you bet your body parts.

Michele: Okay.

Sid: Tell me a bit about your children.

Michele: My children are…

Sid: I mean I watched Heidi Baker and the children just gravitate around her, do they do that with you?

Michele: Oh heavens yes, in fact I don’t feel at home unless I’ve got five kids viving for my lap, and my kids are amazing, they have come from lots of different unthinkably hard circumstances, parents that have been murdered in front of them, mothers that have committed suicide in front of their children, the war and the poverty and the sickness and they are finding out who they are in Jesus and who he wants to be in them and how much they are loved and now we take them out on outreaches and healing meetings out into the bush and they are seeing the blind see and the deaf hear.

Sid: Really?

Michele: they are, they are, they are praying for people and they’re getting healed.

Sid: Do you ever take them into a hospital to pray for people?

Michele: Yes.

Sid: Tell me about that.

Michele: Well we like taking them into the hospitals and if you want to see an argument break out on compound you can say, “Okay five of you, which five of you are going to come with me to the hospital.” And they will all fight because they want to come. They want to pray for the sick and they want to see people experience very tangibly and practically the healing love of God, it is so fun.

Sid: Michele one can receive God’s compassion through praying for it, but also there is a transfer, for instance the book we are offering, “Compelled by Love,” by Heidi Baker, which is the organization that you are with, Iris Ministries, but how does someone really, really go to a tenth world country without money, without plans, without organization, without help, I mean how do you do this?

Michele: Well Sid, I think you look into the eyes of the one who is love, and you fall in love and you let him love you past the place of your fear and past the place of your hands, and love you until you become the face and expression of his love to those around you, then you will go anywhere because you are in love.

Sid: There are some people watching us right now that are just feeling so sorry for themselves, they don’t have any room for anyone else, would you talk to them right now.

Michele: He loves you so much, he is more committed to you than you are committed to you, he is looking at you and his eyes of love are ready to envelope every part of you, he is not angry, he is not bad, in a bad mood, he is not mad, he just, he loves you, let him love you. It’s really simple, it is really easy, it is just about falling in love and knowing that you, that you mean everything, you mean everything to him and you were worth dying for.

Sid: And he is worth living for so we get the whole equation together, so the question is, have you settled for religion, have you settled for tradition or have you settled for reality? Reality is what you are hearing Michele and I talk about, this is normal, all this other stuff, that’s all it is, is stuff. Nice stuff, bad stuff, in-between stuff, but just stuff. It’s time to experience the reality of God, what are you waiting for, there is nothing to compare to breathing the rarefied air of heaven, that’s what we are doing right now on this set, you must tell God you are sorry for all the sins you have committed and you have committed many, and tell him you will turn from them but you need his power to turn and believe that Jesus died for your sins, died in our place, that’s how much love he has for you, and your sins are washed away and you are righteous and then ask Jesus to come and live inside of you, become your Lord, become your Savior, start reading the Truth Book, you have read a lot of books, you have seen a lot of TV, and it is all fabrication, the real, the real thing the emmist, the truth, he is the way, the life and the truth. Read the Bible now. Heidi Baker has dedicated her life to help the people of Mozambique, the poorest country in the world. Heidi has seen food supernaturally multiplied, the sick miraculously healed, over one hundred people raised from the dead. Jesus the Messiah said to his disciples, “Greater works shall you do.” Heidi Baker reveals the secret Jesus possessed that will allow you to begin to operate in the supernatural realm of signs, wonders and miracles. Call now to get Heidi Baker’s brand new book,
“Compelled by Love.”

Sid: Hello, Sid Roth here with Michele Perry,and Michele you were in India, you worked with the lepers, you loved working with the lepers, how could you love working with the leper? They smell, they don’t have any money, their skin is falling off their body, how could you love this?

Michele: Because Jesus loves them, and when I would look into their eyes I would see his eyes looking back at me and it is his heart, it is his heart.

Sid: Okay so you figured God has called you to India, you wanted to go to the worst place on the face of this earth, that was your prayer wasn’t it?

Michele: It sure was.

Sid: Okay, how did you find out he was really calling you to the Sudan?

Michele: Well I like to listen to him all day long because he knows a lot more about things than I do and it’s a good thing to do, and I was buying my plane ticket online to move back to India and I heard very clearly, “I am so happy beloved, I am so happy that you want to go to India, but can I send you to Sudan instead?” I said, “Sudan, that’s in Africa, that’s not India, that’s in Africa.” He said, “I know where Sudan is.” I’m glad he does, it’s where I live now.

Sid: Tell me a little bit about Sudan; are that a lot of orphans in Sudan?

Michele: Last count, there are over three million that are documented and it’s a very, very precious…

Sid: Three million?

Michele: Three million.

Sid: And you wanted to go to the worst place on earth, how bad is Sudan?

Michele: I was so excited, I had been praying for ten years, “God give me the worst place you can trust me with.” And in 2006 when I moved there I read an article right before I moved that it was ranked the number one worst failed state in the world, I felt like I got a promotion.

Sid: Now you don’t have orphans anymore, you have children, they were orphans, but they are children. How many children do you have right now?

Michele: At present one hundred and ten.

Sid: And what is your vision for these three million orphans in this country of yours?

Michele: We want to see a movement of love start, one life at a time, just know who they are in Jesus and know that we have a heavenly Father and they have a heavenly Father, so they are not orphans, they are beloved sons and daughters of destiny, of destiny and to see them know who they are in love and change the nation from the inside out.

Sid: Now you went there with very little money, by yourself.

Michele: I did.

Sid: I mean are you nuts, are you musuga?

Michele: I had a lot of people say you crazy white woman, what do you think you are doing? And I said well I think I am following Jesus and I am showing up.

Sid: Now with your children were there ever times when you didn’t have enough money to buy a meal and what did God do, give me one instance.

Michele: Absolutely, we had run out of food one time and I had actually gone to Uganda to get some more money from our bank account because we don’t have banks where we are at present, and so it’s an eight hour drive.

Sid: You are not even third world, you are tenth world.

Michele: Well it’s coming up but slowly, slowly as we say, and so we had a visitor that was with us at the time, one of my friends, and she was there with our children and we had all been praying, I was praying in Uganda, she was praying there, God we don’t have food, and just as, just as food ran out, they had eaten the last food in the house a truck that we did not solicit pulled into our compound and said we have been sent to give you food, are you Iris Ministries, are you Sudan Iris Ministries, Sudan here I come, here is food for you, so God provided.

Sid: And all y our children were praying for the food.

Michele: Oh they were praying, they were so excited, he could have heard them.

Sid: Tell me one of your children, tell me, paint me a picture of one of your children.

Michele: Susan, I found Susan at a meeting and she, her mom has been alcoholic, and she has a younger sister and they had been living on the streets and when I found her she was actually living in a bar and was washing dishes to earn her keep.

Sid: How old?

Michele: Ten years old, ten years old and she was the picture of mourning and suffering, and rags, just in rags and no life in her eyes, and now, we were able to bring her in to live with us, and now she is helping show love to some of our younger children and she knows who she is and she is learning how loved and precious she is to Jesus.

Sid: Tell me about the time you got on an airplane and Jesus walked in that airplane, tell me about that.

Michele: Well I was coming back from a meeting in Toronto, the only time I have ever been and I said God I want a visitation in Toronto, I want to see you in Toronto, and I had some amazing encounters but it wasn’t what my heart longed for, but on the airplane, on the airplane, not in the meeting, I saw Jesus walk in, he had jeans and a tee shirt.

Sid: Were you sure it was him when you saw him?

Michele: Oh absolutely.

Sid: Now did he look like a real person or was he transparent?

Michele: He was translucent, I knew he wasn’t there in physical, but I knew he was very there. And I had one seat that was empty next to me and he came and he sat in it and I just was overwhelmed in his presence and I looked in his eyes and ah, this is so good, and just enjoyed being in his presence.

Sid: Would you do me a favor, would you look in the camera and describe what his eyes looked like.

Michele: Oh his eyes are the most beautiful, beautiful things you will ever see, they are like mosaics that have every color all in one and they are filled with love, they are filled with love that sees every part of you and loves you completely, just amazing.

Sid: You think that is amazing, wait till you find out what Jesus did with her on that airplane, literally a hole developed in the top of the plane and I’m not going to give it away,

Sid: Hello, Sid Roth here with Gary and Kathy Oates, and Kathy, Gary had this marvelous experience, but you came in along by being his wife, and now I understand God has so opened your eyes when you pray for people you literally see an angel doing something and then you
do what you see that angel doing, explain that.

Kathy: That’s right, I do. Well it started right after the situation with Gary happened, it was on that same trip, we were in a large auditorium
and all of a sudden I started seeing angels behind people, and it was a night when thee was an anointing but not a real strong anointing in the place, and so as I began to pray for those very people that I saw the angels behind they got healed, one right after another and I did
what I saw the angel do, like if the angel would blow on their head, I would blow.

Sid: Isn’t that what Jesus said, I only do what I see my father doing.

Kathy: That’s right.

Sid: That’s a great position to be in. Now Gary I have your book, “Open My eyes Lord,” which I’ve read, tell me why in your heart of hearts, why you wrote this.

Gary: Well Sid, I wrote that because I wanted everybody to know that the supernatural realm is available to everyone, you know, what I experienced in the heavens, the angelic visitations, everyone, everyone, every person can receive the same thing, it is available for everyone of us, and so I wanted to lay it out there in a very practical way that everybody could understand.

Sid: All right, tell me one person that has read this book and what has happened to them. That pastor you were talking about.

Gary: Well he came to one of our meetings and when I was talking about this, and he called me six weeks later, he said, “I was in your meeting, I left disappointed because nothing happened.” And he said, “I’m the type of pastor,” he said, “I’ve got a big library; you know I like to study,” real theologian type of guy. And he said but I did what you said, I began to spend time alone seeking the face of God and experiencing his manifest presence every day and he said, “Sunday I got up during worship time, the presence of God came all over me,” he said, “I was trembling, God spoke to me,” and he said, “Do you want to see something?” “I said yes,” he said, “God opened my eyes and I saw a parade of angels coming at me.” He said, “Every type f angel, worshipping angels, healing angels, ministering spirits, warrior angels.” And he said, “I ended up on the floor; I didn’t even get to preach that day,” he said, “My life had been radically changed as a result of that prayer of impartation.”

Sid: Now you have the prayer and you have what to do to get intimacy with God, but tell me step by step because Kathy you do just like Gary, what do you do to receive the presence of God, to soak in his glory. Tell me what you do daily.

Kathy: both of us I think we spend time alone with the Lord every day, but it is just a quiet time, there is not music going, it is just a sense of total peace where we begin to entertain the presence of the Lord and during that time we are soaking in the presence and as we consume his presence so to speak, then the Lord begins to minister more and more supernaturally, it’s just, it’s a whole new world.

Sid: but don’t you find it boring just sitting still?

Kathy: Well no, because when you are in that state, God begins to speak to you, you hear his voice, you understand his presence, sometimes I just feel like I am in the Throne Room with the Father and the Lord Jesus and we are having a strategy meeting, and he begins to show me things that he wants done or people that he wants prayed for, it is like there is this intimacy, we’re friends, just like I talk to you I talk to him.

Gary: You know Sid, one thing when I first started doing this it was really difficult, I could not keep my mind on anything, my mind was going a million directions and it took me forever, but I persevered, I stayed in there, I pressed in for more of the presence of God, I just kept crying out, “God I just want more of you, more of your presence.” I used to pray and ask God for, God do this, God do that, give me this, give me that, and I said wait a minute, I just want more of him, nothing else matters, I just want more of him, and as I cried out God, I just want more of you, more of you, more of you, and I pressed in for that, I began to sense the manifest presence of God, not just like on you know, in a church service on Sunday or whatever, but every day at home I started experiencing that. And that’s what, that was the difference, and now it doesn’t take any time at all, it is like boom,because of practicing his presence.

Sid: Tell me very briefly about that person with the tumor where you saw fire coming into their head.

Gary: Oh yeah, this is really interesting, we were praying for this man and he was in his mid-seventies, he had a brain tumor, he had had surgery, the doctors said there is nothing more we can do for you, they sent him home to die, he came to this church with his wife and they asked us to go in the back and pray with his man, and we were praying for him I saw a large angel to my right bring his wings out and put them around the man, and just, it was a real tender moment, and as I was looking at it, I couldn’t believe what I saw, on the other side of that angel was a smaller angel, this angel was blowing fire into the mans head, it looked like a blow torch of fire and I stopped and I said wait a minute, I said are you feeling anything is happening right now, and he said oh yes, my head, my head, it is so hot, my head is like it is on fire, it’s burning up, and I was rejoicing. He said I’m healed, I’m healed, and I said wow, I want you to go back to the doctor and have the doctor confirm this healing. He said I don’t have to, I don’t have to, I’m healed, I know I am healed. I said well I believe you are healed too.

Sid: Listen when you know it you know it. But let me tell you something, just ordinary people, once their eyes are opened, they are seeing the invisible world. I want you to take a look at this young girl that has just seen an angel for the first time.

Sid: Okay, are you ready for the impartation prayer that Gary and Kathy are going to pray for you right now, get ready, get ready, Gary pray.

Gary: You can experience this same thing, I believe the presence of God is right there with you right now, in fact you can sense there is something different happening right there in your room and I want you to know that’s the presence of God, I am going to pray a quick prayer for you just as Elisha prayed for his servant, he prayed a very simple prayer, “Oh Lord I pray, open his eyes that he might see,” And instantly God opened his eyes, he saw the armies of the Lord, the angels of the Lord, the chariots of fire surrounding the enemy. I am going to pray that same prayer for you that God will open your eyes; that you will come into a relationship with the Father like you have never known before, that you will begin to experience the supernatural realm of the spirit. So just join me in this prayer right now. Father, I thank you for every person that is listening, every person, and right now I ask you to release your angels of impartation upon them.
Oh Lord I pray open their eyes that they might see, that they might see beyond the natural physical world into the supernatural realm of the spirit. Father impact them powerfully with your presence, remove the scales from the eyes of their spirit. Lord take them into a new place with you, Father bring revelation of who you really are and what you want to do in their lives. And Father I pray that you just release your healing presence right now, now you, you feel that? Get up, do something, begin to do something you couldn’t do before, something that caused pain, many of you are being healed right now as you are sitting there, feeling whoa, you may be feeling heat, electricity, you may begin to shake or weeping, that’s the presence of God.

Sid: I tell you Gary, I feel the presence of God all over me, my face literally is on fire, and I am healing the people that have pains in your back if you will bend over right now, scoliosis, anything right now. In Yeshua’s Name, in Yeshua’s Name, in Yeshua’s Name, be healed, be whole, get a friendship with God, God wants to be your friend.

Sid: Hello, Sid Roth here with Gary and Kathy Oates, and Gary and Kathy just want to see what the Bible says, they go to Brazil, he takes his shoes off in a meeting because the Spirit of God told him to do it, it’s dirty, he is resisting, had he not done that then the next thing wouldn’t have happened, he literally finds himself out of his body, he sees angels, he see Jesus, he comes back into his body and what happened next?

Gary: Well

Sid: Oh you told me your hand started burning.

Gary: Yes, my hands were burning, it was like my left hand was on fire and I didn’t feel like I could take it any longer and it was right then that Jesus let go of my hands and my spirit came back into my body. Now because my spirit had been in the presence of the Lord like that when my spirit came back into my body my body was like it exploded.

Sid: Now Kathy, what did he say to you after that?

Kathy: He couldn’t talk.

Sid: What do you mean he couldn’t talk; he could do a good job of speaking.

Gary: Listen, I was completely wasted, I couldn’t I was laying on the floor, it was like I was nailed to the floor, I couldn’t, I could hardly move, I was crying and I was saying, “God, I don’t understand all this stuff, I just want more of you.” I felt so little and so insignificant in the presence of Almighty God that it was the most incredible, awesome experience I had ever, I had ever had.

Sid: Okay, next day, fast forward, what happened?

Gary: Next day I got to the meeting early, the power of God hit me, I was on the front row, I hat the floor and again, I could not move and I was thinking what is going on, because I had difficulty speaking that whole day, I mean I couldn’t even get words out of my mouth, the presence of God was on me continuously during that time, I was weeping. Well I was on the floor and I saw the worship team as they began to worship and all of a sudden everything changed and God took me to a place, I saw a gold path, gold steps, a gold platform.

Sid: Now you have to understand he ahs never had experiences like this before, this is more like the Bible than what goes on with most religious Christians, so who do you want to choose, do you want to choose what a phenomena that occurs that is similar to the Bible or would you like to take a look at religion? Me, I like the Bible, go ahead.

Gary: Well I saw the gold platform, gold steps, on top of this top platform I saw a very large throne, I didn’t see anybody sitting on the throne, but to the right of the throne I saw Jesus standing there, he was wearing different clothes this time, and he had a scepter in his hand, and from his waist up the brilliance of light coming from him was overwhelming, I could barely look at it, and honestly Sid, I thought I was going to die. In fact, I thought you know, maybe I had died and gone to heaven because it was that real. Right then I came back into my body and I was writhing in agony on the floor, I had a look of terror on my face, I was screaming but no sound was coming out of my mouth. And Kathy saw me in that condition.

Kathy: Right.

Gary: And she was hollering you know, do something, do something, to the other guys around me.

Kathy: Right, it scared me.

Gary: And they said turn.

Sid: Did you think he was having a heart attack?

Kathy: I didn’t know what was happening, you have to understand you know, coming into a foreign country and then all of a sudden, Gary, I had never, never known him to be afraid about anything, not one thing in his life, he has always been positive, courageous, and to see the terror on his face, it was petrifying to me.

Sid: Okay, what happened next?

Gary: Well I was, they didn’t realize what was happening to me, the reason I had the look of terror on my face and was screaming in agony was because I was so acutely aware of my sinfulness in the presence of a holy God that it just brought terror to me and I was crying out, “God for give me, God forgive me.” And I felt just the cleansing of God coming over my life, it was just like, it was just like being thrown under a waterfall and totally cleansed, not just outwardly but inwardly, and on the inside again I was

Sid: We don’t realize who far removed we are from where God created us to be, we don’t realize, I mean this is a word you don’t hear often, sinful, we don’t realize how sinful we are unless God puts a spotlight on us.

Gary: That’s exactly right. Well my heart of repentance was met with total forgiveness from the Father, and I was on the floor this time for two hours, I couldn’t get up, I couldn’t move. I was weeping, when I tried to get up I couldn’t walk out, a couple of the people had to help me, I ended up in the very back of the church on the pack row sitting there and Kathy was asking me you know, what happened, what happened, and I couldn’t even tell her because I wanted to process all of this and I said, “I’ll tell you later, I’m okay.” But I was shaking and vibrating so much in the chair I could hardly sit in the chair.

Sid: So they bring you up on the platform and what type of miracles were released when you were there?

Gary: Well I mean it was amazing,they had to carry me up on the platform in a chair; I couldn’t walk up there myself.

Kathy: He couldn’t talk.

Gary: I couldn’t talk, and I was with Randy Clark, and Randy, he came over to ask me what had been happening. I couldn’t speak, he had Kathy come up, Kathy told what I had told her and the place came unglued. It was like a tornado just swept through the place, people were falling, they were crying out, people were being sovereignly healed, there was such a strong manifest presence of God in the place.

Sid: Were many people healed?

Gary: All over the place, right after that, once I was finally able to talk, this was a little later on, people came up for prayer, I was able to stand up because only by the grace of God, and I began to pray for people, there was a long line, every person I prayed for was instantly healed, it was like there was a whole different dynamic.

Sid: Listen Gary and Kathy, there is a glory, that same glory is in this studio right now, did you hear what he just said, every single person he prayed for was healed.