Sid:  My guest is red hot for the Messiah she’s been a guest several times on the Messianic Vision. For those that are not familiar with Katie Sousa if you’re familiar with Bonnie and Clyde I affectionately like to say she was Bonnie and Clyde put together.  I mean at her wildest she was doing police were chasing her at high speed chases; she was making her own drugs; she was enforcer of collecting money of people that owed drug debts.  She had a career in radio and TV modeling; in fact Katie you were a model on the Home Shopping Network.

Katie:  Yeah, it was called TelShop on Financial News Network. It was so crazy Sid because I would show up to work and my job was to model the clothes because they would sell these different clothes on this program. But I would come to work high with dope in my pocket and in between the breaks I would jump off the stage run to the bathroom and go do another hit of dope it was crazy.

Sid:  Okay and you also were in a band and you were a drug supplier in Hollywood. I don’t know how a young person can get involved in so much so quickly. You finally you got your due you got arrested and you were…how old were you when you were given twelve and a half years in a Federal Penitentiary?

Katie:  I was thirty-five I believe at the time almost thirty-six.

Sid:  I mean, when you got that sentence how does someone deal with twelve years in a prison?  First of all I don’t think you or anyone else knew how bad it would be to be in prison, but just the shock when you found out 12 ½ years you’re a young woman and the best part of your life is going to be taken away from you, how did you feel?

Katie:  Well, you know I knew what prison was going to be like so I wasn’t liking the idea; I mean I had been arrested twelve times before that final moment; twelve times in one year.  And when they gave me that time it’s like; it’s almost like you’re going into this shock you can’t believe that is going to happen to you.  But praise God at that moment I had already started to come towards the Lord and seek out His presence and all that. He was right at that moment He came in giving me seeds of hope in my heart that He was going to do something amazing for me which He did.

Sid:  Well, and that is what the most wonderful miracle He actually told you you would get out without serving the twelve and a half years and He told you the exact date you would get out.  Did you tell anyone in prison the exact date you were going to get out or did you just ponder that with the Lord?

Katie:  Oh, no, no, no when God gave me the revelation about my new out date, I went out the next day and told everybody in the facility which is like 1,200 women by the end of the day they all heard about it all the counselors heard about it and they were all laughing at me because they thought I was nuts.

Sid:  Now when you heard the exact date was it just the year or was it more exact than that?

Katie:  Oh no, He gave me November 21^st as my date and the number 57 and I didn’t understand the 57 until later, but it came to pass exactly as that because when I got– when I won my case about six months later they gave me my new out date which was November 21^st 2003 which was my 57 month in captivity.  So it was a very specific date.

Sid:  While you were still in prison you were radical for crime; you were radical for the devil literally he had you and knowing you now I know how you are now, but how were you in prison were you just as radical back then?

Katie:  Radical for crime or radical for Jesus?

Sid:  No, radical for Jesus.

Katie:  Well, when I first came in Sid I spent the first year in and out of what they call the hole; out of lockdown; because I was in constant fights, I mean I was attacking COs, I was attacking officers.  And I was getting thrown into the hole over and over again, but at the same time God was coming and revealing Himself to me; He was doing miracles.  Like I would be in the cell down in the hole where they let you have like nothing, there’s freezing cold air blowing in there you’re sleep on a little metal bench, I mean there’s nothing and I would sit there and I’d go “Okay God if you’re real you know bring me a Bible.”  And they would take me out for a shower the next day and I would go in to throw my dirty clothes into the uniform bucket which was usually like stacked to the sky with like dirty uniforms, but there wouldn’t be anything in it but a Bible.  So there was these miracles that happened to me during that year of rebellion.  That strengthened me to pursue God and say wow, this guy is real, this God is real!  And it would cause me to just like get as radical as I was for crime for Him now because He was showing Himself to me.

Sid:  Now you affectionately called your group of friends that were in prison with you “The God Pod” tell me about the God pod.

Katie:  (Laughing) Well, you know God used my “leadership” qualities that I had on the street to be able to lead you know groups of people into these sophisticated crimes and everything else.  He used that leadership quality to lead the women in my pod, in my unit to Christ. So we began to; I began to round up literally round up the pod.  I would stand up in the middle of the pod and go “All right everybody it’s Bible story time, come out here right now.”

Sid:  And if you don’t come out I’ll kill you – no (laughing)

Katie:  You know I’d sit there and I’d teach everybody and then we would learn these songs and people would stand up on the upper tier and the lower tier and we would all be singing away and of course the whole entire unit is like in a glass bubble it looks like in and aquarium and the police are out watching all that.  And so they’d see us you know the upper tier and the lower tier singing these songs and everybody around the tables and I’m preaching, teaching Bible studies and all of us praying and we would have baptisms in the shower where we’d throw people in the shower and baptize them.

Sid:  (laughing) Oh you did have a captive audience come to think about it, I’m teasing.

Katie:  They were sitting there watching us we got deemed the God pod.

Sid:  Now, you were suppose to serve 12 ½ years in a Federal Penitentiary, you were given an exact date.  You told people ahead of time that you were going to be paroled on this exact date, how long did you serve?

Katie:  Well, it ended up that when I won my case I went back to the court and if I can tell a little story it would be really funny.  They wanted to give me more time because they were so angry that I had won the case because they hated my guts.  And so the prosecuting attorney says “Well, were going to put in a motion that you’re going to get more time because this is just an appeals court that you won.  And so he went into the judge and said “Judge I’m putting in a motion that we give her more time but you let me go down there and take all the chemicals that were found at her laboratory and come up and weigh them so I can add on the motion for her to get 20 years instead of 12.  And so the judge agreed.  And so they sent them out to go down to get these chemicals, well what had happened is that while I’m still in prison a year or two prior and women who was the president of the Hell’s Angels she was a girl friend of Hell’s angels the top guy came in through my prison and she was totally, radically saved by Jesus and she had a prophetic word for me saying “That God was going to destroy the chemicals in my case.”  Well, at that time I had already gone to court, they had already weighed the chemicals so I said, “Well, that’s nice but you know they already weighed my stuff it’s too late, she goes “Never the less, that’s what God said and that’s what’s going to happen!”  Well then fast forward to a year and half later and we’re in the court and this guy puts in a motion to reweigh the chemicals so that he can add on to my sentence.  He goes down there to get them, they come back from the recess and he announces sheepishly he announces to the judge that all the chemicals had been destroyed because of the dangerous nature of those chemicals.  And so they had to give me my motion and they took 7 years off my sentence.

Sid:  Rather than doubling your sentence was what he wanted they took seven years off of your sentence.  Well, I have to tell you not only is Katie Sousa radical for God and some of those rough edges have been refined but my wife was listening to the teaching that we’re making available this week, we were driving in the car and we were just listening to it and what a subject.  I mean the title of the four CDs are “Stay Unoffendable” and think about that for a minute.  But Katie I found you almost like a young Joyce Meyer because you are funny, the stories you share I mean my wife was in stitches!

Katie:  (laughing)

Sid:  But I bet it wasn’t funny when you were going through some of these things you were talk about. (laughing)

Katie:  That’s the thing you know, it’s never funny while it’s happening but later on you look back and it’s hysterical. (laughing)

Sid:  Let me ask you kind of a bottom-line if you are offended constantly, and let’s face it everyone has an opportunity to be offended multiple times daily.

Katie:  Yeah.

Sid:  I’m talking about a good believer, I’m not talking about nonbelievers, a good believer it takes no talent for someone to do something that hurts yeah.  A spouse, a child, an employer, a teacher, a pastor. Is it possible to live 24-7 unoffendable you cannot offend me?   I mean really and truly is that possible?

Katie:  Well, two things that I believe that can get you to pout over being offended and that’s one, you got to get rid of the past offenses first, you got to get healed of those because they’ve wounded your soul, that sins wounded your soul probably talk about that in a minute.  And then after you do that you have to get rid of those first, you got to heal those first because they’re controlling you.  Once you’ve spent years or months or even weeks being offended it cause a wounding in the soul.

Sid:  And you know I’m amazed and I’m cutting you off because we’re running out of time, but it’s amazing to me that even gifts of the Spirit are your words of knowledge will not increase if there’s wounding in your spirit.  You physically sick if there’s wounding in your spirit, the promises of God don’t operate in your life.

Sid:  I want you to know that my guest Roberta Simpson, I’m speaking to her she is a Jewish believer in the Messiah and what happened to Roberta Simpson and what happened to me is what is about ready to happen to Jewish people worldwide. You see in the early 70’s both of us were hit supernaturally by the Spirit of God.  It wasn’t cerebral mental apologetics because none of that would have worked with us, but it was a supernatural encounter the living God.  Roberta was married to a non-Jew that loved the Jewish people and she went with him to a Pentecostal church; did not like anything she saw, everything was strange to her. Roberta was at the end of the service, in the middle of the service that you had this encounter?

Roberta:  At the end.

Sid:  Okay, it’s over and as far as you’re concerned it’s really over you don’t want to ever go back to this Pentecost everything was strange to you, what are some of your memories of what you did not like that you saw there?

Roberta:  Well, it was very strange and I felt very uncomfortable.  It’s not that I you know had this big disbelief but I just didn’t like the service I don’t know what I expected mind you but I don’t remember anything I liked even about the sermon.

Sid:  Okay, and so you’re getting your act together, your hoping the thing is over and what did you see and where did you see this?

Roberta:  Well, all of a sudden I saw Jesus walking across the altar, not on the platform on the floor and He had this wonderful smile on His face and expression of love. I just knew that He was the one I needed in my life, I didn’t think I needed anybody or anything in my life, but I had a Baby that had died and I was very depressed about it and sort of saying “God you owe me” sort of thing and then I see Jesus and I just know God doesn’t owe me a thing, I need Him in my life.

Sid:  And it’s been quite an adventure with Jesus ever since, you never looked back and I’m the same way I had an encounter with the Messiah and I don’t even, I can’t even understand backsliders once you’ve know His reality there’s nothing back there. Why would anyone want to go back there?  But at age 70 God speaks to you; now before that occurred a pastor had actually told you that he didn’t think you had writing ability, tell me about that.

Roberta:  Well, I use to write, the only thing that I only really did in writing up to that time and I did try to write some children stories before but it didn’t happen.  But I use to write a lot of articles for the newspaper.  If I saw anything to do with the Jewish people or Israel, any kind of anti-Semitism I would write an article in the paper.  And that was about you know what I did, but there was is writers seminar that was coming up and I went to it and we all had projects to do. I really don’t remember what the project was now but it wasn’t my kind of thing you know it was some airy-fairy type thing.  We had to write about and so I did and a pastor was put in charge of correcting my paper, but he scribbled it all up and I felt like I was a bad naughty girl at school again.  And really what he said was “You can’t write there is just nothing in here.”

Sid:  Did that crush you?

Roberta:  It made me a little annoyed I think more than crush me at the time and he said to me, “Well, I hope I didn’t discourage you from writing.”  I said, “What yes, you did,” but I had five children to raise, and it didn’t bother me too much, I said “Well, I won’t write you know.”

Sid:  But yet you seem to have a gift as a storyteller, you’ve been doing that most of your life.

Roberta:  Oh yes, I love telling stories I mean I told stories to my children, I told stories to my grandchildren. I just love sort of even if I told a Bible story I would put something with it or I’d tell them stories about Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck, but made up things, not things that I would read or see.  And they loved my stories, they always enjoyed my stories.

Sid:  And then at 70 you heard the voice of God. What did He say to you?

Roberta:  Well, I was in my car and I was driving down the road and I just heard, not an audible voice Sid but into my mind “You can NOW write.” And the now was inside emphasized and a joy came up in my spirit and I just wanted to go home and write my first story and I went home, went straight to my computer and wrote the story of the little lost lamb.”  That was my first story that I wrote.

Sid:  Well, I’m holding a copy of your book here and it’s really a beautifully very attractive book called “Nana’s Bible Stories.”  And the thing that I love about it is for the children and grandchildren of those that are listening right now to plant these seeds of courage and healing and Jesus and God has a plan for their life.  And the love of God and even how to get saved, and Sheila Walsh narrates I have a CD which is including with every copy of the book of for those parents that don’t feel comfortable reading it.  I’m going to play an excerpt from one of your stories called “A Father’s Miracle” this is from Matthew 8. Explain briefly what that’s about.

Roberta:  Well, it’s a story of this leper who went to Jesus and said, “If you can you can heal me.”  And Jesus healed him.  But why I wrote the story the way I did is because you hear about these people like lepers, they were outcasts, they weren’t allowed to live in the houses, they were separated from their families and I wanted to get to the heart of a leper of that day and what it would be like and what it would be like for a child to know that his father had an incurable disease and has to leave home and probably would never be seen again.  And yet there is hope because Jesus was around and…

Sid:  Well, let’s hear a little excerpt from “A Father’s Miracle” right now.”

Sheila Walsh narrating from “A Father’s Miracle.”   “How could Yahweh let this happen?” Nathan wondered.  And then he remembered the story of Yahweh parting the Red Sea, healing his father seemed like such a little miracle compared to that.  Nathan promised himself that he would pray every day until his dad came home.  Months went by and Nathan was soothed by his mother’s words “Yahweh will take care of us” and indeed He had.  The money for the table had come just in time, but what would happen when that money was gone?  At the edge of town Nathan’s dad was getting worse, sores covered his body, he wished for his family and his home, he missed the smile of his wife and hugs from his children, he was afraid and sick and so lonely.  One day he heard about someone performing miracles in Galilee, the deaf hearing, the blind were seeing, and this man Yeshua was the reason for it all.  Many people said, “He was the promised Messiah. Nathan’s dad set out toward Galilee, it was hot and he had to avoid traveling near anyone on the road.  When evening approached he saw a crowd of people, “Had they caught sight of him?  With looks of horror and disgust some shouted “Unclean” before he could even get the words out, one man even picked up a rock and would have thrown it if Yeshua had not stopped him.  Instead of turning away Yeshua walked toward Nathan’s dad dropping to his knees, Nathan’s dad knew in his heart that this was the person with the power to heal, with all his strength he said to Jesus “If you are willing You can make me clean.”

Sid:  Roberta you said that when God spoke to you and told you to begin writing He actually said, “To begin writing now.”  He actually said, “How much time did you wait until you actually started?”

Roberta:  Oh, I started immediately.

Sid:  You know we have a lot of parallels because God spoke to me in a dream to write a book and He said, “More Jewish people would come to know him through that book than anything I had ever done.”  And I started the next day on that book, and history now proves that that dream was from God and it’s in six different languages right now.  But as I was saying at the beginning of this broadcast you’re life and mine life as prophetic lives of what God is about ready to do in so many different people.  But what does it feel like now seeing how magnificent this book is I might add, there is a forward by the Duchess of York, Sarah Fergusson, and the beautiful art work and the CD and the book and these stories you’ve been telling your children and grandchildren.  And seeing it actually happen, how do you feel?

Roberta:  Well, you know I keep having to pinch myself to make sure that it’s happening.  I honestly Sid I feel like I’m walking a dream the goodness of God has been so amazing.  I’ve met the most wonderful people. I thank God for Steve Hill because he’s been encouraging me all along.

Sid:  Well, I’ve known Steve for many years I met him the same place you did when he was the main speaker at the Brownsville Church at the Pensacola Revival. He called me on the telephone and he said “Sid you’ve got to meet Roberta” and then we realized we had met many years ago.  But let’s hear what Steve has to say about your book.

Roberta:  Okay.

Sid:  Steve sometimes I wonder why someone with such a gift as Roberta didn’t start writing until age 70.

Steve Hill:  Well, I would think that was God’s timing, here’s a woman who has decades of experience with children and now it’s falling on the printed page with incredible colorful illustrations.  You can feel the maturity, I believe that Robert Simpson at age 70 is a literary treasure being launched into the world of children’s stories.  I recommend everyone, don’t just buy one of these books okay, because you’re going to want a stack of them to give as gifts as months and years go by.  Do what my wife Jerry and I did, we bought twenty right off the bat, be a sower, sow this seed, by these books and then sow the book into lives that could really use them.

SID: You know I have friends who have studied for years in Israel to become professional tour guides. But this is way beyond that. My next guest went to Heaven to the Throne Room and was taught to be a professional tour guide of what he calls the Throne Zone, how you can be in the atmosphere of Heaven 24/7. Hello Sid Roth again. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. You’re a tour guide from Heaven.

KEITH: Yes sir.

SID: Okay. I can’t wait to find out because I really want to learn about what’s going on in Heaven, and I want it to happen here on Earth. Now according to my notes, six years old you start the piano, but you really got something special from your grandmother.

KEITH: Yeah. Actually both my grandparents, my grandmothers, played the piano. And I would sit at the piano beside them and they would teach them what they knew. And when on my one grandmother passed away, my other grandmother began to pray, “Lord, let that impartation anointing, that gift transfer from her to my grandson.” And it was at that junction something just took a shift in my life, and I began to even gravitate and discover more things on the piano and connect it with a teacher that can help develop that. And so it just was a cycle we just began to learn.

SID: So you’ve been a worship leader for some 27 years now. And one of the things you like to sing is you want to sing to God. You want to sing about God. But most songs today are about us, me.

KEITH: Right, exactly. Well and then we wonder why there’s so much carnality in our churches. We wonder why there are so many moral failures in our churches. Because when we sow and we sing songs, we’re actually sowing a seed into the atmosphere. And we talk about it from a financial perspective. Most of us understand the fixed laws of sowing and reaping, we understand it in crops, but we don’t understand it that when we release a sound of a song of praise into the atmosphere it will produce a harvest. So as I began to realize that what we are filling our churches with are songs sung about us. I want to feel good. I’m going to get my blessing. I want. And it’s all about me, me, me, me, me. And the Lord is really challenging us because He says, “Seek first the Kingdom of Heaven,” not your kingdom.

SID: Okay, Keith, you saw something that is about ready to happen on Planet Earth in 1991. You were just minding your own business, going to a ballgame and what happened?

KEITH: Sitting right there right behind first base, the stadium was filled with people, the vendors were passing out peanuts and drinks, and the ball players were playing, everybody was great. And then all of a sudden all of the ball players just disappeared off the field. I don’t know how to describe it. They were gone. But between first and third base I could see a platform that was set up, and I knew immediately that this was a gathering of worshipers, not there because there wasn’t anybody on the platform. So it wasn’t a platform personality gathering. It was a place I knew in my spirit that the Lord said, “I’m gathering my people, not because of who’s on the platform, but because I’m seated upon the platform.” Hallelujah.

SID: You know what? I have seen that, but not in a vision form. But every fiber of my being says that all these great ballparks that are being built throughout the world, they’re not for football and not for baseball.

KEITH: That’s right. Hallelujah.

SID: They are for God. They’re being prepared for God. And people are going to go into these stadiums and they’re going to be so filled with the presence of God. I mean, that’s what you saw, people being filled with the presence of God that no disease could—As a matter of fact, we’re getting ready for a taste of that right now. Do you know that every time you sing about what God is that’s what He becomes. Keith, would you get over to the music set right now. And he’s going to sing a song called, “Mighty God”. And you in the studio audience, you can stand up. But you in the television audience, don’t stand up because I say it. I’m no one. But God is worth you standing up and worshiping a mighty God right now.

[music, singing]

You are a mighty God, You are a mighty God, You are a mighty God. Yes you are a mighty God. You are a mighty God, You are a mighty God. Yes, you are a mighty God. We cry mighty, we cry mighty God, yes you are a mighty God. You are a holy God, You are a holy God, holy God, holy God, yes you are a holy God. We cry holy, we cry holy, holy, God, holy. God. You are an awesome God, You are an awesome God, awesome God, awesome, yes, you are an awesome. We cry awesome, we cry awesome, awesome, awesome, yes you are an awesome God. You are a holy God, You are a holy God, holy God, holy, yes you are a holy God. And we cry holy, we cry holy, holy God, holy God, yes you are a holy God. We cry holy, we cry holy, holy God, holy God, yes you are a holy. You are a mighty God, you are a mighty God, mighty God, mighty God, yes you are a mighty God. And we cry mighty, we cry mighty, mighty God, mighty God, yes you are a mighty God. We cry awesome, we cry awesome, awesome God, awesome God, yes you are an awesome. We cry awesome, we cry awesome, awesome God, awesome God, yes you are an awesome. He is awesome, He is awesome, awesome God, awesome God, yes you are an awesome God. Awesome God, awesome God, yes you are an awesome God. Awesome God, awesome God, yes you are an awesome God. Awesome God, awesome God, yes you are an awesome God.

[applause, cheers]

Sid:  We want everyone everywhere to have such intimacy with God.  I pray in Yeshua’s Name that your hunger as you listen to this show this week your hunger for God would increase to the point that the toys of this world that are idols in your life, that you’ll just put them down and you’ll just say I don’t want that stuff anymore I want more of God!  My guest is Julie True and I’m speaking to her at her home in Franklin, Tennessee.  I’m interviewing her on my favorite soaking CD, and I know I’ve said this before but you have to understand that we go from glory to glory, and this particular CD is called “Healing Love.”  And it is really an interactive healing experience.  As a matter of fact Julie on yesterday’s broadcast you were talking about, you were actually raised in an environment where you were taught to love God and you’ve loved God your whole life.  But as far as music goes music was for secular music could not be used for worshipping God.  I can’t think of a worse situation to get you in and you received an infilling of the presence of God and that began to change your whole life.  Tell me how it changed your life.

Julie:  Well, I just started realizing how big God was in that He wasn’t up there shaking His finger at me for one thing and saying “No, no, no you can’t do that.”  And that He is a creator of music, He’s the, you know, the most creative One and He gave me the gift for music and as I came into this new place of life of being filled with the Holy Spirit it was just a natural thing to what to express my heart to God through music.  And I was actually finishing college at the time, and took a class in this environment where you weren’t allowed to worship with instruments, but I had a class on worship and we had to do a term paper and they asked me if, I asked the professor “Could I write a song instead of writing a paper?”  And he said, “Sure, as long as it’s a worship song.”  And that opened the door for me that was the beginning and the catalyst for me beginning to express my heart to God through song.

Sid:  Now one of the things that you enjoy doing is literally singing over people and interceding and prophesying over people.  I mean that is such a far extreme from where you came from, how did you make that mega jump?  I mean that’s not singing words that are written on a page, that’s singing right from spirit to spirit.

Julie:  Right, it’s well the recipe for that is about twenty years of journey in the Lord, and layers, and layers, and layers of religion, and fear and you know the fear of man and ignorance and all of that stuff just coming off.  And then also just hanging out with people that are hungry for God and hungry for life and hungry for the real deal and not wanting to be just you know fake sort of existence.

Sid:   What you’re describing is the difference between religious people and people that are serious about intimacy with God.

Julie:  Yes, yes, and you know we’ve just been, my husband and I have been just blessed to  be in the midst of a lot of people who have stretched us and challenged us.  And we’ve had an open heart to let God teach us and show us how big He is and how big His heart is and how good He is.  And you know that’s one thing you know the more that you realize how good He is the more you have to sing about, and you don’t feel like your being held to all these rules and regulations you’re just free to sing about your love and His love and to receive His love.  And so anyway it’s been a journey.

Sid:  Isn’t great to get rid of all of that religious baggage?

Julie:  Yes, totally!

Sid:  You know one of the thoughts that’s coming to me as I’m speaking to you is that I’ve had a conversation with the Lord about this lately is and I’ve repented over it.  I have not been a thankful person lately.  I’ve been moaning and groaning and grumbling and God has been sparing my life in traffic accidents, and doing so many wonderful things in my life, and I really repented.  And I believe that anyone that has intimacy with God should be a 24-7 thankful person.  But Julie I want to hear a selection from your music CD “Healing Love.”  And this really is an interactive healing experience; how about “I Want to Know You.”  Isn’t that with the prayer of the heart of everyone that is listening to me right now?  “I Want to Know You.”  Is there anything that you want to add to this before we hear a selection?

Julie:  Yes, that’s just the cry of my heart all the time, you know I want to know Him more; I want to be filled to overflowing with the Holy Spirit.  And I want to, I want to really know God’s heart and not have some idea of who He is but I really want to know Him intimately as a friend and so that’s kind of at the heart of it.

Sid:  Okay, let’s hear from that CD and remember this is interactive, that means that just as those angels went up and down Jacob’s ladder I believe those angels are coming up and down to visit you while your heart is soaring to know God better.

Julie True Healing Love CD “I Want to Know You.” Excerpt

Sid:  That was a selection “I Want to Know You” and Julie True is singing and I believe there is such a presence of God that is… I want to see that presence of God in your home.  I want to see that presence of God in your office, I want to see that presence of God in your car, I want to see that presence of God wherever you’re going.  I want you to be playing this 20—literally you should be playing this 24-7.  Julie there are so many amazing reports but I have to say the most amazing report is someone before they could even play this CD tell me that story.

Julie:  Well a lady in Canada who is, she’s 70 years old. She was crying out to God and saying “God I have had some certain wounds and pain all of my life, how many years I have been a believer for thirty years.  How many years is it going to take before I’m healed.”  And on our web site she saw “Healing Love” being offered and she felt like the Lord just directed her to buy it so.  It turns out that she grew up sort of as an orphan.  Her mother didn’t want her and even later in life she, knew her mother, and her mother told her that I should have just drowned you when you were a baby because I never wanted you.

Sid:  Talk about rejection!

Julie:  Yeah, major, major rejection and that’s just a part of it.  All through her life she had all kinds of rejection.  The person who did raise her as a young child she wasn’t allowed to talk and she said she was raised in silence and her mother would beat her up and she just…that’s the kind of background that she had, but she came to know God along the way and she saw this CD and she ordered it. When it came to her house she brought it from the mail box brought it into her kitchen and started unwrapping the cellophane wrapping and she fell down on the floor under the power of God and started weeping. And she said, “It wasn’t, it was like this very gentle refreshing weeping.”  But she wept for two hours the first that she played it. So what she did was play it every day for a month and she said every time she played it there was just more levels of healing that happened and that rejection was a huge part of what God healed her from.  And she just had an incredible amount of freedom.