Sid: I have the most fascinating translation, brand new translation of the scriptures that you’re ever going to see.  It’s called “The One New Man Bible,” the New Testament captures the original power that was neglected by the translators of say the King James Bible.  It’s recaptured the true culture of Christianity which is Jewish, which unfortunately Christianity has distanced itself from.  It gives you footnotes to understand idioms such as when you read “Cut your right hand off,” that’s an idiom that’s not what it literally means.  It’s got the correct tenses that the power in the Bible that was neglected by the Bible that was neglected by most of the translators.  And it’s got over 4,300 footnotes it’s got a 170 pages of glossary because Bill Morford has spent twenty years doing this research, and the original translations that he translated from was for the Hebrew Scriptures it was an approved Hebrew scripture put out by the Hebrew Publishing Company.  And it was the best Greek translation known and then, in addition, he studied Greek for himself and he studied Hebrew for himself and he studied under the finest man that I know to learn Hebrew under, the grandson of the man that pioneered Hebrew for the nation of Israel as a spoken language.  It was Rabbi Eliezer Ben-Yehuda, and I mean you found out so many amazing things, for instance when the scriptures talk about the temple it really should be talking about the sanctuary.  Explain that and what difference does it make?

Bill: Oh, there’s a huge difference there and that’s right.  Every reference to the body where most translations say “your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit”, or that Jesus was referring to His body as a temple of the Holy Spirit or that Jesus was referring to His body as the temple.  Not so, not so. All those references in the New Testament are referring to the sanctuary, the temple as an outer court where sin is welcome.   Those of us who are saved, and have been washed by the blood have no, no business having a place in our bodies where sin is welcome. To step into the Holy place, you had to be forgiven of everything.  You had to confess everything, if you had sin in your life and you set your foot on the threshold of the holy place you were dead and that’s the way we are.  If we accept sin in our lives, we’re not going to step into heaven, were lost so we don’t want our bodies to have any place where sin is acceptable, and we are the sanctuary. All those references by Paul in the gospels are to the sanctuary, and it’s interesting that the Greek word for temple is “hiroan”, the Greek word for sanctuary is “naos.” They are two entirely different words.

Sid: But we translate the modern translations are not even the older translations, is we translated everything temple rather than sanctuary where sanctuary belongs and temple where temple belongs.

Bill: Right and because of that most Bible dictionaries say temple as an acceptable translation of “naos.”  But when you really dig into it it’s not it’s a different thing, and it’s only used once in the Bible as something other than the body and that’s to, or the actual sanctuary of Artemus in Ephesus.

Sid: Okay, how about this, I’ve always heard that amen means so be it.  I never heard what it really meant, explain.

Bill: That was one that Rabbi Ben-Yehudah brought to me because even my best Hebrew English lexicon has it meaning something related to that’s true, whatever; relates it to the word “amet.”  But it is not, it means El Melech ne’eman, which means God is a faithful, sovereign.  God is a faithful King and it’s not a word in Hebrew, there is no root word for it.

Sid: Okay, now I’ve always heard that Paul was a tent maker, you take issue with that.

Bill: Oh, definitely the Greek word translated tent maker is actually a compound word that literally says “tentmaker.”   But it was not a word in the Koina Greek language or a classic Greek language that referred to making tents; it was not a Greek word at all.  It was one that Paul and Luke both made up and its meaning is described in the Baurer Arndt Gingrich Lexicon, by a whole column written by Bauer.  It ends up saying, “He didn’t know what it meant, but he knew it was a skill that had to be learned, had to be approved by someone, and highly technical in its nature, but he didn’t know what it was.  And there are other Greek words…

Sid: Okay, so what is it if that’s not what, wait we know that it’s not a tent maker so what is it?

Bill: It’s making prayer shawls because the prayer shawl was called either a tent and you pulled up over the head to hide just to give a place of privacy.  And another name for it is a private room a “tomeon” which is one that Jesus talked about when you go into your…

Sid: So just because they didn’t know the culture they made him a tent maker rather than a tallit or prayer shawl maker.

Bill: Right.

Sid: And you know another thing I love about your translation, is you explain the Messianic prophecies.  For instance Isaiah 7:14 says “A virgin shall conceive and have a child.”  But in the Hebrew Scriptures it says “A young woman shall conceive and have a child.” So which is right?

Bill: Well, the Hebrew literally says a young woman although the word used there today means virgin. And in the first century in the Bible times a young Jewish woman had to be a virgin when she got married or she could be stoned that was the order.

Sid: So if she wasn’t a virgin she would have been stoned and she wouldn’t have been around to have a child.

Bill: Right.

Sid: So actually that is a correct translation to have young woman, but you need the footnote so that someone will understand it when they don’t say virgin.

Bill: Right.

Sid: What about binding and loosening.

Bill: Yes, they were Hebrew idioms that to bind meant to “forbid” and to loose meant to “permit.”  And where there used in Matthew both chapters 16 & 18 the tense that’s used is actually saying that “Whatever you bind on earth has already been bound in heaven with ongoing affect, it’s still working in heaven.  And what we bind on earth they must already have been bound in heaven.”  So it isn’t that we can make new rules and we decide what needs to be bound.

Sid: We’re not God, we’re His servant.

Bill: That’s right. There are couple of words that are mistranslated, one means to “come” and yet it’s translated “go”, which is strange like the opposite direction.  God never told Noah to go into the ark, He said, “come.” God was already in there saying, “Come, come with me.”  And He never told Moses to go into Pharaoh, it was always, “come.” The Spirit of the Lord was already in with Moses; I mean with Pharaoh and was with Moses too, and the Spirit of the Lord took Moses into Pharaoh.  But a neat one that is “go” is in Genesis 12, God didn’t just say, “go,” to Moses.  What He said, I mean to Abraham, what He said to Abraham was, “Get yourself out of here!”  He issued a very strong command for Abraham to get going, so it’s not in scriptures that God probably been dealing with him for a while to get on his way.  But it’s interesting that that’s probably what He said.

Sid: You know you are going to shake so many people up with Roman’s 16 where you show about a woman in authority. I mean that’s squeezed out of all the other translations.  I’m sorry we’re out of time, we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast.

Sid: We want everyone everywhere to be Red Hot for the Messiah, but there is something separating us from these promises of God.  And that something is sin, and it’s some of these sins are so subtle, I have Art Mathis on the telephone speaking to him at his office in Anchorage, Alaska.  And Art I have a quote from you from your book, “Biblical Foundations of Freedom” in which you say that “We can consider our bodies to be excellent barometers for what is going on spiritually in our lives.”

Art: Yes.

Sid: Give me an example of what you mean.

Art: Well, we have lived in a certain thought process that we think as normal, and we don’t even recognize that thought process.  But when we study what psychology and medicine and the Bible teach that, for example Proverbs says that “A good thoughts are health to our bones.”  Well, the bones produces, the marrow in our bones produces all of our immune cells.  So if we’re having a say an anxiety and stress disorder; let’s just take like asthma, asthma is listed as an anxiety and stress disorder and it’s caused by the bronchial tube and the ave liner, the lungs becoming rigid and trapping carbon dioxide and not releasing it.  Well, if someone’s got asthma I know without a doubt that their dealing with fear, rejection and abandonment issues in their life.

Sid: I find it fascinating that if someone tells you their disease you know what the toxic emotions are that are blocking that person from being healed.

Art: In most cases that’s true because Satan repeats the same activities over and over again and psychology Medicine and the Bible the all teach the same things.  There is not a disagreement.  The most easy people in the world to teach this to are medical professionals because they see it every day in their practice.  And most of what I teach I’ve learned from them, because they see it.  So in the asthma we have a 100% healing success in asthma if people are willing to pray and forgive those that abandoned them and rejected them and that the fear of more rejection that comes in their lives.  We see constantly little babies healed of the asthma or the colic or the weak immune systems that they are born with if parents are willing to deal with the ways that the abandonment came into their life.  I was just in India teaching a Pastor’s conference in January and as I was teaching about the asthma and fear two pastors came to me talking about their little children; one a five year old and one a four year old that had severe cases of asthma.  One was so severe that the child was having total analectic shock almost daily where he couldn’t breathe for five to seven minutes and would turn blue.  I was scared for that child; now this child was 300 miles away at their home.  I asked Mom, “What was going on, this was all through an interpreter, and she said that “We were so poor that the last thing we wanted was a baby; we didn’t know how to feed ourselves let alone feed this baby.”  And that fear of the future affected that child.  And as I lead the Mom and repenting for not trusting God to take care of her and the baby that God had given them, commanding that spirit of fear to go and commanding the lungs to open and heal the baby was healed instantly.  The five year old was healed instantly as we prayed for the baby in this meeting, I had Mom call on the cell phone and talk to her son and he was totally healed.  And I’ve heard reports since then by email by this family in India.  This is normal, healings happen constantly in this way.

Sid: You know there is a big word that most doctors use when they can’t figure out what’s wrong with someone and I use to make fun of it until I read your book, and that word is called stress.  I thought that that was just something that doctors came up with when they couldn’t come up with anything else.

Art: Well, stress is anything that causes a “fight flight” response.  Anything that makes us get, our stomach get a little tight or eyes to get focused and we get that extra strength we start to feel in our arms and our legs.  That’s a stressor and it starts that “fight flight response” that starts that fourteen hundred different chemical neurological reactions.  But the biggest stressors in our lives are anxieties, worries, fears, resentments towards others, self hatred towards ourselves, the way we don’t like ourselves.  Those are the biggest stressor that there are and every one of those emotions will produce its fruit of a disease in our lives.

Sid: And what’s the best way to get rid of stress?

Art: Well, trusting our Lord Jesus.  When we understand that being afraid or worried or anxious is really saying Lord I don’t trust you.

Sid: Which is another way of saying sin.

Art: Yes, see most of us don’t understand it that way, but when we start to look at it in those stark black and white terms yes that is a sin.  Then hallelujah we’ve found the answer, see we searched for sin because it is not in any form of shame or guilt, but because God’s provided and answer to the sin.  There’s always provided a way of escape, so when I find a sin in my life my response is, hallelujah I’ve found another sin, all alike?  No God’s got a way for me to get rid of this, so I start to pray and the Lord delivers me from that sin.  But he can’t deliver me from the sin until I take responsibility for; until I confess, until I repent, until I command it to leave.  I’m not going to live in this part of my old nature any longer, until I declare myself dead to that sin and that prayer process.  So we teach people to shout hallelujah when we have a sin.  The Bible tells us when we recognize a sin that we should repent.  Only repentance is required, we should never go into a worldly sorrow for our sins which would be more shame and more guilt.  So we need to overcome.

Sid: How do you overcome, let’s suppose you’re with a critical boss, a critical spouse and this is ongoing; how do you overcome that?

Art: We teach people that they can forgive right now for what we know is going to repeat with that boss or that critical spouse tomorrow.  So we just take on the clothing, the attitude of forgiveness.  Lord I choose in my heart to forgive right now what I know that is going to repeat at work tomorrow.

Sid: You’re talking basically humility.

Art: Well yes, and were talking about the power of God and we’re also talking about God’s love for us, because He’s always made a way of escape if we will do what He’s teaches.  But we’ve often been taught that we don’t have to obey, that we are just going back under the works or under the law if we teach people to obey and we’ve left out God’s freedom when we teach that.  We have to obey what the Lord tells us to do and there’s always a blessing found in obedience to Him because He’s a good God.

Sid: Tell me some diseases that are triggered by stress.

Art: Well, medical text books list over sixty diseases that they classify as anxiety and stress disorders.  So we can put in that category all heart disease, all stomach issues, all ulcers, chronic fatigue, allergies are really rooted in the stress.  Any anxiety or stress style disorder, all your blood issues, anemia, anorexia, eczema we’ve seen healings in all these things.

Sid: Now doctors talk about “You want to get rid of stress you should do deep breathing,” that just seems like a temporary fix to me.

Art: It is and it’s a manmade answer to the problem.

Sid:   Or if you want to get rid of anger, anger is really energy so you get a doll and you pound it on its head and you get rid of your anger.

Art: Well, that again doesn’t put closure on it brings the anger to the surface, the only way to actually put closure on any anger or resentment or stressor is to truly forgive and then God’s power comes in.  As Hebrew 9:14 says “It comes in and purges our conscience, it cleanses and renews our mind” and removes all the pain out that memory.  Just rehearsing the pain or regurgitating the pain doesn’t help.

Sid: You know I hear reports of many great healing evangelists that get tremendous results, but then twenty-four hours later a number of the people that were healed all the symptoms come back.  I think this is the reason they haven’t dealt with the toxic emotions.

Art: Absolutely, Karen would be an example.  Karen attends our church here; she attended a healing meeting that I was part of in our church a year and a half ago.  She had her blind eye healed; she had had a hemorrhage in here eye and all she could see was a big black spot.  And in that meeting God supernaturally healed that hemorrhage, the black spot went away, she had total clear vision.  On her way home that night she went back into her thoughts of fear, this healing is not going to last, and she got into a place in the road where there were no street lights and she lost that healing.  The next day she had the same old black eye, all she could see was the black spot.  And as we continued to minister to her two months later she received the full healing back as she got rid of that fear and that worry and that anxiety.  That’s been two years ago.

Sid: You know I remember as a young believer I had a believer that was even younger than me came to me one day and he didn’t need his glasses anymore, he was healed.  And he was so happy and twenty-four hours later he needed his glasses and he came to me and he said, “Why?” I didn’t know why.

Art: He had his anxiety, fears and worries; my optometrist teaches me that one of the biggest issues with eyes and how eye diseases and how we need continual stronger glasses is stress.  The anxiety, the fears the worries, the resentments of life.  And as we deal with those resentments then we find that that stress goes away.  As we deal with those fears we find that stress goes away and God’s peace floods in us and then our bodies function in homeostasis and peace as God intended them.  And those feedback loops and all those chemical reactions stop and there’s a supernatural peace that floods us and our bodies heal and operate as God intended them.  And they don’t age as quickly, they don’t self medicate with the food or drugs or alcohol to reach some level of peace because we found the true peace through Jesus.

Sid: And your book teaches what we’re talking about right now and then has the specific prayers for all of these areas.  How long has this book been out “Biblical Foundations of Freedom” it’s so wonderful?

Art: Well, we published it in 2000.

Sid: I know the reports you’re getting.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Surprise Sithole. And Surprise, you were the first person in your family, in who knows how many generations; that came out of being a witch doctor to being a sold out believer in Jesus. And was it your cousin or your brother who became a believer in Jesus, the one that died recently?

SURPRISE: Yes. It was my cousin.

SID: Alright, your cousin became a believer in Jesus. What happened to him?

SURPRISE: What happened to him, he was a wild person; preaching on the trains, in the market and so on, but…

SID: Wilder than you?

SURPRISE: Yeah. He was more. And then so what happened on 25 of September, it was the day they the holiday for the military. So and then he was preaching in the market. And when he was going home he found the people, the religious people and they killed him.

SID: Now when you found out about this, the devil got payback. You have a meeting. Did many Muslims come to the Lord at your meeting?

SURPRISE: After that, it was three weeks later because I was in Israel at the time. So I went back in that area where he was killed and started gathering the people. There were 4000 people that came to that meeting, and half of them, 2000, gave their life to Jesus.

SID: Were many of the Muslims?

SURPRISE: Yes.

SID: Are many Muslims coming to know Jesus in Africa?

SURPRISE: Oh this is good news for them so much, because they are coming, rushing like they are running from something, from danger, and so they are coming to the Lord.

SID: I’m wondering, many of the Muslims were like you. In other words, having visions or dreams from Heaven and being told to believe in Jesus. Is that happening to many?

SURPRISE: Lots of Muslims. Some of them, like just another man, he was just going to kill himself. He was a Muslim who was going to kill himself. When he was going to kill himself, he met this man, bright man shining before him. He said, “Where are you going?” He said, “I’m going to kill myself.” He said, “No, don’t kill yourself. Go back and look for a pastor and he will tell you something.” He came back and found the house of Christian. The man was not there he found only the children. And then the man came back, spoke to him; he gave his life to Jesus. Now he’s a pastor.

SID: And that’s happening to many Muslims.

SURPRISE: Yes.

SID: I want to find out the first time that Surprise prayed for a dead person who came back to life. Do you remember that first time?

SURPRISE: I remember that very much.

SID: Tell me about it.

SURPRISE: Well I was in this village. The village is called Komatatri [?]. So I was doing a small revival meeting in the community hall. So the next day the chief of the area of the Komatatri [?] came to me and say, “Shut down the revival meeting because someone died near the community hall.” I said, “Chief, can I go there to see the person?” And he said, “Yes, of course. Let’s go.” He took me to the house. I found six ladies that were sitting in the house. And then the chief introduced me to those ladies. He woke her up when we come to his house. And then what happened, I asked the lady if I can pray. She said, “Of course. Go ahead and pray.” I started praying. While I was praying I opened my eyes. The ladies still were sleeping. The girl was the girl of six years old. Her name is Inshanta (?), the name of the girl. And Inshanta was wrapped with a sheet. So I look around, the ladies were sleeping, and I said, this is my chance. I walked to the girl that was laying down and I, myself, I start unwrapping the girl. Suddenly the hand came out stiff and cold. Well I took my finger. I look still around. The ladies, they were sleeping and snoring. I took my finger into the stiff hand of the girl. I was praying. Suddenly, the girl grabbed my finger. I was really shocked. I jumped. I stood up and went [scream]. So she looks at me and said, “I’m hungry.” Well I look around. The ladies they were drinking Coca-Cola. I took the Coca-Cola and put it into a glass and gave to the girl. The first person I woke up, I woke up the mother. When the mother woke she was shocked. All the six ladies ran out and they started shouting. And the chief heard the noise, the chief came running. When he came inside the house, he saw the house was driving Coca-Cola. I’m not advertising Coca-Cola. No! [laugh]

SID: I understand. He’s advertising the King of Kings. That’s what he’s advertising. They must have been shocked. Tell me about the time you had a dream about a dead person that came back to life.

SURPRISE: Well another one, this is an elder man. His name is Enyoni [?]. At night I just had a dream. I see a bunch of people going to bury someone, but I had an impression something talking, “That person is not dead,” was in my dream. I run to them. I said, “Please, I want to see this person that you are going to bury.” And then they say, “Oh, no.” I said, “Please, please, open for me.” They opened. When I saw the person, it was just like the person that had so much laughter in his mouth. I said, “This person has so much laughter. He’s not dead.” And then after that, I prayed and the person rose from the dead that was in the dream. The following day by the whole day, the mind went out and I didn’t think. And then someone came to me and said, “They are going to bury someone today.” I said, “Uh, where is that?” He said, “Here just by the mountain at a new farm. I said, “Oh, let’s go.” Then we went straight into the house. We find the people they’re making, they take the door of this man and his table; they’re making a coffin out of it.

SID: A coffin?

SURPRISE: Yes, a coffin from his door and his table. They are finishing making the coffin. So this man was dead three days. Now we went inside the house. We asked the people if we can see the person. They said, “Of course.” They gather the family together. They went in there and pulled down the sheet that was closing. They opened the face. As soon as they opened the face, I realized that the face that I saw last night in my dream. I started to be filled with joy. I started laughing and praying.

SID: You knew.

SURPRISE: I knew that exactly he was going to come up back to life.

SID: And did he?

SURPRISE: So in the prayer, he shouted, “Yea!” At the end of the story…Well when he shouted like that, it means that even the toilet came out because the noise was…The room was filled with intense stinking, smelling a very bad smell. But he was not even ashamed. He was happy and so on. So this man, in his testimony said, during that when he was sleeping, he was fighting with the dark forces. So the dark forces was pulling him into the place that was so much hotter and hotter, and hotter; until when the bright shining light came that was shining, that is when the dark force left him and he came up and rose from the dead.

SID: You know what? There is such a presence of God in this studio. Surprise, do you feel what I feel?

SURPRISE: I feel it right now.

SID: And I’m going to tell you something else. Surprise told me he is happy no matter what happens, 24/7. How would you like to be happy? I mean, genuinely, not drumming it up, but genuinely happy in joy 24/7? I would. I know you would. When we come back, I literally believe we’re going to have resurrection power from the dead. Don’t go away.

Sid: You need to be red hot for the Messiah and I promise you this week my guest will cause you for go forward from whether you are to closer greater heart, greater intimacy with God than ever before.  My guest, Pastor Ron Philips and Ron comes from a Southern Baptist background, good Southern Baptist background.  But He went to a meeting which really changed his whole paradyne on things and things really got crunchy for you.

Ron: That’s right.

Sid: One evening right after the meeting; tell me about that.

Ron: Yes, I was a successful Southern Baptist Pastor, but at the point of really quitting because I just felt like I was going through the motions you know, preparing sermons.  I wasn’t seeing a qualitative change in our people’s lives; outwardly successful inwardly miserable spiritually.

Sid: There would have to be a lot of Pastors even listening to us right now in that category.

Ron: And I had lost my intimacy with God and it never been where it needed to be, but I knew that I was saved and called, but man I was operated in the energy of the flesh.  I went to   Glorieta, New Mexico to a Southern Baptist Camp Ground and really I was there to speak to close the meeting on the next morning.  And I went over night and I heard a woman speak named Lynnette Drumright and her husband had died and she had a spiritual awakening at that time for the International Mission Board.  And she talked about how when her husband died she fell in the sweet arms of the Holy Spirit and how His Baptism and power in her life had sustained her through this.  And so I went back in my room and fell across the bed weeping because I had really planned to quit and go to work selling real estate for my brother in Florida; and I just was miserable.  And at midnight I heard my name called audibly, audibly; and I thought someone was at the door playing a trick on me so I went to the door and nobody was there.  I laid back down the second time and then a third time.  At this point I knew something was going on and like Eli told Samuel I said, “Speak Lord your servant hears.”  And the Lord said, “I’m here I want to bless you.”  You got to understand, I was a sensationalist, I believed that all these gifts had ceased and that we just had the Bible and a lot of this stuff wasn’t supposed to happen anymore and man I had my cage rattled.

Sid: Since I have never been in that type of situation it’s I guess we make do with what we have, but on the inside looking out right now I don’t see how someone makes do without understanding the full supernatural of God.

Ron: I don’t know either it’s a miserable experience; it really is because you know you come up with what you have.  I can honestly tell you Sid that there were occasions when I was watching preachers back then on television even then or like Oral Roberts and I would feel a hunger and late at night alone I would feel a tugging in my heart.  I knew that there was more, I knew there was more, and that night I read Psalm 92:10 “I shall be anointed with oil.  And the Holy Spirit fell on me in that room that is the only way I know to express it; I spoke in tongues; I lifted up my hands.  Now, you got to understand, I didn’t even believe in lifting up hands,  I mean I was so square that’s the only way I know to put it; I had a little bitty box a Baptist box that I lived in and God kicked every wall down, the roof off of it.  Two hours later I went into a I call a trance or went out, fell out in Spirit, whatever you want to call it, but when I came to I was standing in that little single bed with both of my hands over my head and my life has never been the same.  That was a little over twenty years ago and God moved me into the realm of the supernatural quickly and the first thing that happened when I got home is I was called to the hospital to help a woman and she was demonized.  And I didn’t know what to do, and knew I knew enough then to know that I had supernatural help and a couple staff members we cast thirteen demons out of this woman.

Sid: This doesn’t sound like this Southern Baptist Pastor!

Ron: I didn’t tell anyone about it right away.  Ha-ha-ha

Sid: Ha-ha-ha.

Ron: But the anointing, God began to, I mean the whole supernatural world in 1989 opened up to me and man I staggered in.

Sid: Let me, I’m just kind of curious though, “Had anyone ever taught you about praying tongues?  Had you ever heard people pray in tongues?”

Ron: One time, no never a little bit on television maybe, I’d seen a couple of they, and I’m not talking about the contemporary guys now; I’m talking about the Rex Humbard, Oral Roberts, those I knew a little bit about it.  But I had never been taught, when all of this broke out in my life and the Brownsville, later Brown’s people would say well he’s been to Brownsville, he’s been to Toronto, hadn’t been any where nobody in our church had.

Sid: Let me also take you back to that night when you heard God audibly call your name and did He give you instructions at that time?

Ron: Yes, He said, “He said, I want you to read the Psalms you’ve been reading every day,”  I had a disk on the of reading five Psalms a day and this was April 19 and so it was Psalm 91 to 95.  When I got to 92:10 and God knew the scripture was mine, I believe in the inherency of scripture and God knew that that was the paradyne that I had to have a scripture.  And man when that thing hit me it became rest and refreshment just like Isaiah prophesized to me.  I would to back, I mean it cost me most of my friends.  We’ve had coming and going in the church for years as people left and others came and some came back to receive what God had, but it’s been a supernatural powerful experience.  And I’m sixty-two now and I wouldn’t trade what the Holy, I just wish I hadn’t been forty plus years old when I wish it had happened earlier.  And I’m not questioning God on that because I’m sure he knocked at my door and I was so busy being a Baptist preacher I wasn’t listening.

Sid: And what I find interesting is the Lord knew that you were going to read those five Psalms, that’s why He told you to read Psalms.  So when you got to Psalm 92:10 it reads “I shall be an anointed with fresh oil.”  Is that when you started speaking in tongues?

Ron: Hallelujah, yes Sir.   Glory to God, man I’m feeling something now, I’m just telling you.

Sid: Now, you told me before we went on the air that you have some company in the studio right now; what’s your company?

Ron: Angels are here with me, I have an angel called Noble, it sounds weird know, but he came to me.

Sid: Well, actually you had just told me about that because I’ve got your brand new book, “Our Invisible Allies” subtitle “The Definitive Guide on Angels and how they work behind the scenes.”  And just as you finished the manuscript on April 19th 2009 a large angel, visited you in your bedroom.  Take it from there.

Ron: Big, golden, he’s so tall his head, and I have nine – ten foot ceilings in the bedroom, we have one of those upward roofs in there and he had to bow his head over.  But you know, no fear came on me and I guess I noticed that my red light on my alarm had not been disturbed and nobody had come into the house.  It was like fear not was in my spirit immediately and he hit me on the leg just like what you see in the book of Acts when Peter was in jail and an angel came and woke him up; hit me on the leg and he said, “I want to speak to you and let’s go down to your study.”  And I have a study, a small study in my basement that’s kind of my prayer closet, secret place and so we went down there and this angel he began to just talk to my spirit because I mean we’ve been through twenty years of questions and attacks.  And even though we’re solid doctrinal called an occult just because we believe everything in the Bible.  And I came out of seminary; you know I had an earned doctorate from New Orleans Seminary.  I studied the Greek, New Testament  all my life and I know that it teaches these things and we were attacked and then just I was weary you know with ministers and others attacking this great wonderful church that God let me pastor for thirty years now.  And that angel said, “That’s over today, I’m stopping anybody that speaks against this church I will defend you for now on; don’t worry about it and you’re going to find favor.”

Sid: And I find it interesting that the angel identified his name, what was his name?

Ron: His name was Noble and they said that right before he left and immediately I thought of nobility.  Here’s an angel of favor and nobility and Sid even you calling to talk about this book because I had been attacked by the devil by demons.  Well, now they’re really going to know that you’re a nut.  I mean I had a lot of intellectual pride in me before I was baptized in the Holy Spirit; so the enemy came at me that way and for God to send such a powerful angel to come and I think your calling me to talk about this book.

Sid: Well, look at the timing of all of this.  You know you made a statement that I have in my notes here.  And it’s very very important that we really genuinely I think that anyone with half a brain recognizes were in the end times and of the last of the last days.  I mean the midnight hour’s about ready to strike and human options are before our very eyes; I’ve never seen time moving so fast.  Human options are beginning to dwindle, and it we, if we don’t learn to partner with the angels we won’t accomplish what God has for us on earth let alone our basic needs.

Ron: That’s exactly right, that’s why an entire section of the book is called “How to activate Angels.”  See I believe the unemployment scandal isn’t here in the United States and the western world, it’s around the throne of God where angels are wondering why we’re not obeying Hebrews 1:14 “That they’re here to serve those of us who shall be heirs of salvation.”  And you know Sid that word serve there is, litigious we get out word liturgy from it, but it literally comes from Laos, man and ergon word.  And ergonomics is work that’s made easy.  An ergon work in the Bible, wherever you find that word in the Bible its God taking it off.  And angels are here to lay us ergon, to serve us to make our work easier.  And I think a lot of times we are struggling alone when if we would, we don’t pray to angels, we don’t worship angels but we, the Bible says they obey; they obey at the voice of His Word, from the book of Psalms.

Sid: Tell you what, “Our time is slipping away…

Sid: We want everyone to be Red Hot for the Messiah, that’s almost an understatement for my guest Joan Hunter.  We’re reminiscing about her Mom that just went to heaven.  You’ve heard of the Happy Hunters, Charles and Francis Hunter and Francis just went to heaven and most of you that are listening to us are familiar with their great miracle healing ministry.  And of course Joan has been in the healing ministry for over forty years and she has built on their foundation so it’s almost like when we talk to Joan we have two generations; one built upon another of the healing gifts and understanding healing.  But there’s some areas Joan that you have covered in your brand new book “Power to Heal,” that most people don’t understand; it has to do with trauma, fear, grief.  Now these things can really get in the way of receiving healing and get in the way causing you to be sick.

Joan: That’s correct, what happens is a lot of times with grief and trauma, that when you go into a traumatic situation it produces stress and stress itself produces a stress hormone.  The stress hormone responsibility is to destroy the immune system.  Thus we have so many autoimmune deficiency diseases around the world and it is all brought on because of stress and trauma.

Sid: And you know most doctors when they don’t know what’s wrong their immediate conclusion is stress and I used to be upset with them saying, no that’s just a catch all; but it’s true.

Joan: It is true, 85% of the people that go to doctors offices go because of stress related diseases.  And if you get rid of stress you’ll get rid of 85% of the diseases that’s brothering the Body of Christ, if not the world.  And I would rather live stress free and not get sick than deal with all the stress related diseases, neck problems, back problems, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, all that stuff.

Sid: What about things like the heart and blood pressure, is that connected to stress.

Joan: Oh yeah, and then like people that have diabetes all of the sudden they’re sugar level will go sky rocketing and a lot of times now a days, the doctors are going “Obviously you are under some kind of stress that’s triggering your insulin level to be so high.”

Sid: Well, what has God shown you about dealing with stress?

Joan: Well, where stress is concerned there is, first of all, we try to fix things, like us women, we try to fix our husbands.  And then we try to fix our children, and not only do we start…

Sid: Well wait, husbands try to fix wives by the way, you can’t take all of that guilt.

Joan: I know that, the average guy give up after two weeks and says forget it.

Sid: Ha-ha-ha.  So the wives are more like elephants with the memory?

Joan: Yes, but what happens is we try to fix our children and we try to fix our spouse and we can’t and what happens is that the more we try the more they operate in rebellion and then we intern you know get move mad and angry and it just causes a big explosion.  Now in the book, “Power to Heal” on page #110 in the book I tell you about stress, how to deal with stress; how to deal with the trauma and depression.  And it says here and once again on page #111 Prayer for Releasing a Spouse.”  You can’t fix them and so this is the payer and I have it hear it says “Father you know that I have tried to fix my husband or my wife Lord, I lay ______ on your altar I release _________ to you, I thank you for _________ and Father bless _______ and bless our marriage.  And so my husband’s name is Kelly.  And Father I tried to fix my husband, I lay Kelly on your altar, I release him to you, I thank you for him, Father bless Kelly and bless our marriage.  Throughout the book there is many many places in here where there are actually prayers where you fill in your spouse’s name, your child’s name and like on page #111.  This is a prayer for releasing children.  We try to fix our children, our responsibility as parents is to love your children and let God fix them according to Isaiah 49:25.  And it says, “But thus says the Lord, I will save your children.”  And that’s God’s responsibility and my responsibility is to love them.  And then it says here; “Father I lay my child, ________(Charity, my daughter’s name is Charity) I lay Charity on your altar, I thank you what you have done in Charities life already and I ask you to bless her in Jesus Name.  I’ve done all I know to do as a mother and I release Charity to you, Father bless Charity; show me how to be a better mother, Amen.  And I actually have many many prayers like that throughout the book on “Power to Heal” and then when your children or your spouse is on the altar, then you don’t have to carry the weight of them anymore, thus you don’t have the stress.

Sid: But Joan, that’s easier to say than to do?  How does that, I mean you say the prayer but if you’re like most people you keep taking him back.

Joan: Well, then you’re trespassing, yeah, your trespassing on God’s property.  You have gone to his altar and take off your sacrifice and have taken it back saying God, I can do a better job than you.  I’ll show you, and that’s what that does and so.  And yes, I totally agree with you that it’s easier said than done.  But once you get it figured out and you get him on the altar and you leave him there then you say God, did you see what your daughter did?  You know how it is when sometimes there your children, sometimes there your spouse’s children.  But it’s like all the time now, there God’s.

Sid: All right give me an example in your own life with say, your daughter of how that played out.

Joan: Well, right after the divorce I encouraged them to spend time with their father, long story short their Father took them to lesbian bars.  Ha-ha-ha.  I was ready to kill everybody.

Sid: I understand.

Joan: I go oh, Lord Jesus, help me here, anyway I was like, you got to be kidding and they would come home and mommy finger came out; what are you doing this was not the way that you were raised, you come home your drinking, he gave them drinks, he gave them this.  What are you thinking and then so what they did they’d call their Dad and say “What are you doing tomorrow night?  So they went out again.  Mommy finger came out when they got home, went to a different Lesbian bar and time and time again.   Well the third time I was fit to be tied and I went into my bedroom and shut, bathroom and shut the door, got in the shower turned the water on and I’m screaming out to God, I can’t fix my children.  I’ve done everything I know what to do and the still small voice God spoke to me and He goes, “Da, and he’ll speak to you in your language, you’ve gotten in the way of me and my Holy Spirit from fixing your children.”  And I said, “I repent Lord, I lay them on your altar, I give them to you.”  The next night when they came in Mommy arms greeted them, and hugged them and loved them and told them God bless you, I’ll see you in the morning.”  And they never did that again.

Sid: They must have been shocked when you acted that way.

Joan: Who are you and what have you done with my Mother?

Sid: Ha-ha.

Joan: Are you on drugs Mom?  Ha-ha.

Sid: But, what you did you allowed space for God to move.

Joan: Um hum and they never did that again and it’s absolutely awesome what happens you know, when you allow God to go in and do something that you really thought you could do better.  You know because they are my responsibility, they are my children; you know they were older children.  You know you’re suppose to you know to train them up when they are young and discipline and things like that.  But when they are seventeen and eighteen years old, and older you can’t fix them, because the more you try the more they are going to rebel.  And when I just loved them and didn’t condemn them and just love them, then God has turned their lives around.