Sid: My guest Paul Keith Davis, I’m speaking to him by way of telephone at his office in Orange Beach, Alabama. And Paul I am really fascinated by the information you brought forth in your book “Angel’s that Gather.” And for those that are just tuning in for the first time, Paul moves in revelatory prophetic visions, he sees things in the invisible world, and he’s seen what is coming. And one of the ways that God is prepared him for this is that he studied the lives of many famous men and women of God. And one of the people that we were talking about, actually there are so many I would like to discuss with you Paul, but Branham had so many prophesies that came true to the decimal point. And so many that haven’t happened yet, tell me about some of these prophecies.
Paul Keith: You know Brother Branham was certainly one of the most interesting people that we’ve seen in the twentieth century. And there’s a lot a controversy around his life, but I’ve interviewed dozens and dozens of people and clearly he made mistakes as everyone did and maybe even some of his teachings we don’t necessarily agree with or fully understand. But one thing is undeniable even among his worst critics they said the level of prophetic accuracy in his life was uncanny; it had not been seen since the early church. And so that’s what I’m after, I’m after what the Lord said. It’s not about a man or even a woman it’s about what God said and what is the pertinence of that to our generation. And I didn’t want us to lose something and so I began to study Brother Branham’s live I wanted to understand what he did to capture God’s attention, and then to also move in the level of accuracy. And in the process I discovered there were some prophecies that he gave that had not yet been fulfilled but we have every expectation will be. One of them is called the tent vision. The tent vision was something that came at the end of his life and by his own admission Brother Branham actually thought that he was going to see the fulfillment of it in his lifetime. But the essence of the tent vision was that he was looking prophetically at a future meeting, it was in a big tent because back in the fifties that was the way they had many of their meetings. And he saw people gathered outside the tent by the thousands, thousands and thousands of people that were blind and lame and halt and all manner of diseases and infirmities. It was just a very very sad picture, but in the tent there was another tent and he was watching as the people were lined up outside the smaller tent with all of these terrible conditions, and one by one they were going in and no one could actually see what was going on inside the tent, but the important point was they went in one way, sick and lame and blind and they came out totally healed and covered in the glory of God. He believed that he would see that in his own ministry before he died. Of course Brother Branham was taken in a car wreck in 1965 and that vision was never fulfilled.
Sid: Well, you know Kathryn Kuhlman said that she foresaw the day that people would go into hospitals and clear the whole hospitals out of the sick.
Paul Keith: I believe that’s what he saw, I don’t believe necessarily we’ll see a literal tent, I believe what he saw was this end-time generation emerging as sons of the Kingdom who have become the habitation of God where the Lord will literally fulfill the Feast of Tabernacles, and tabernacle in a body of people doing through them all the great things that he did when he walked the earth in human form 2000 years ago. And I believe that’s where we are now; I don’t believe there is anything else that we can do that can bring in the harvest other than a demonstration of God Himself. And I believe a first fruits harvest of people right now will be emerging as for runners or pioneers if you like to use that term that will begin to pioneer this whole new perspective from God.
Sid: And that’s one of the reasons you studied some of these people like Branham and Allen and Kathryn Kuhlman, and John G. Lake. Tell me about one of the others.
Paul Keith: Well, you know God said they were prototypes and that’s a very unusual term, and he gave them to us as a token to begin to understand that realm in God. And you mentioned John G. Lake, he was a fascinating person, very bright man who went to Africa, South Africa, and won thousands to the Lord, and he walked in a demonstration, but he had four very distinct encounters in his life and I’ll just very quickly go through those because I believe that that’s where we are as a generation. But the first was a salvation experience, it was profound, the second was a sanctification experience that was profound, a very specific juncture of his life. The third was when he went down to Chicago, Illinois to partner with Alexander Dowie, who was a very powerful man and there has been a lot of dishonoring of Alexander Dowie but he was a great man. He clearly made a mistake at the end of his life by his own admission you know he made some proclamations that were not good, but he was still a great man, a great pioneer. But John G. Lake received the ministry of healing from him, but he said, “Even while he was seeing people being saved by the thousands and cancers withering up and falling off of people right there in meetings he said, “He hungered for God more then than he had in his life.” Most of us would have said, “Well, he’s arrived,” if he’s doing the miracles and he’s seeing salvation what more is there?” And he wasn’t even sure but he set his heart to understand what it was that he was longing for and began to pray and fast for nine months and he said by his own admission we have a wonderful transcript of his sermons because his wife was a stenographer. So we have a great record of his messages, but he preached this in a message called, “Triune salvation.” And he said that as he went to a person’s home to pray for a woman he sat down in a chair and the answer to his nine months of prayer happened that day when he said, “The tangible visible glory of God came down and rested not only upon him, but within him.” And he said, “At that point,” and this is a very unusual phrase that he used, he said, “I became a Christman.” And he said, “I began to demonstrate not only his power but his nature.” And that’s what I believe is a prototype of the sons of the kingdom emerging today. There is something beyond just doing the miracles as important as they are because they are phenomenally important. But there’s a place where we can become habitation of God then the demonstration of the miraculous and the supernatural goes to an entirely different level. And I believe that he is a prototype of this day.
Sid: Last year you had a vision about the lid coming off of hell, briefly tell me about that.
Paul Keith: One of the more deeply impacting revelations that I’ve had was that very one. Happened on an evening when I couldn’t sleep, I felt troubled in my spirit, my wife had gone to bed, I prayed until I just couldn’t pray any move, I was prayed out. Sometime after midnight I just decided to go to bed, and I laid my head upon the pillow and the second my head hit the pillow the spirit realm opened up and this was unusual, but I began to audibly articulate what I was seeing and it woke my wife up and she listened to me and actually kept some of the records of what I was saying. But I was looking down into the bowels of hell, that’s the only expression I know to give, and I saw an iron lid that had been, that was covering up a compartment of hell. And of course this was parabolic in nature, but I saw the lid being removed and I was screaming out, “Don’t take it off, don’t take it off.” But it was, it was removed and I saw evil spirits unrestrained being released in our generation. But what was interesting was I was able to watch those evil spirits coming out of hell going into the bedrooms of people and teaching people how to walk in deeper realms of darkness. Since that time I’ve had numerous reports of people that have actually had that happening; people that are contending for evil. But the good news was that I felt like I couldn’t look any longer, I was so overwhelmed by the darkness of what I was seeing. A voice came booming out of heaven and “the sons of Light must respond in like fashion.” And I saw angels pouring out of heaven, just pouring out of heaven and I realized that they were angels of a unique caliber, they were different. I believe they are angels of Isaiah 63 and verse 9 where it says “that in our affliction he was afflicted.” But he sent the angel of his presence and there’s a host of angels that stand in the presence of Almighty God. And they’ve been released in our day and I watched as these angels were manifesting themselves very much the way we see in the book of acts. Manifesting themselves in people’s bedrooms teaching people how to walk in greater realms of glory. And I knew that the confrontation between light and darkness that the Bible told is here.
Sid: But you know as I see the news today, as I look at what’s going on the world today, there’s such a clear contrast, there’s never been such a contrast but I think that it’s going to be even stronger and it’s literally a battle of the Kingdom of heaven verses the kingdom of this world. And what you’re described is people are being given a choice.
Paul Keith: Absolutely, you know just to give you a news item that I believe was very consistent with this revelation, we’re told about a year or so ago, maybe a little longer that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, this leader of Iran was making a speech before the United Nations; and in the secular press, World News Today and different press releases they said, “Mysterious light appeared around Ahmadinejad that was visible to the natural eye and it says for twenty-eight minutes the people literally sat there as if in a trance mesmerized by this man.” Well, that was an example of a demonic anointing; I believe an angel of darkness had anointed that man because at the very moment that he was saying that he was talking about the destruction of Israel. And I believe that was just a token example of what’s happening behind the scenes and I feel like our message is that we’re to awaken people to this because if we’ve not aware of it we’re going to be caught off guard.
Sid: You know I’m seeing such hatred on the sides of people that are perhaps Israel having the covenant promised land, the issue of homosexuality, the issue of abortion. I mean there is literally hatred against Biblical positions and maybe what we’re seeing is those people that have turned themselves over to those demonic spirits.
Paul Keith: I certainly believe that’s exactly what’s happening and we must be prepared for this conflict.
Sid: As you know, I’m an evangelist and I desire everyone, everywhere to hear the good news but I have found that God has a plan A because many Christians don’t understand God’s plan A they go to God’s plan B which was never the way He created. Plan A is to demonstrate the kingdom and then when you have their undivided attention by a miracle or a healing then introduce them to the King. That’s God’s plan A, and that’s why I’m so pleased to be making available this week Pastor Billy Joe Daugherty’s book, he’s the Senior Pastor from Victory Christian Center. It’s title is “You Can Be Healed” and there is such a presence of God on this teaching, it’s done so simply, so clearly it’s going to pump you with the faith necessary for you to draw on the healing power of God for your own healing or for praying for someone else. Now, Pastor Billy Joe I’m so intrigued on gifts of the Spirit and as a young man you had some opened visions; one affected your entire life, it had to do with who you should marry, tell me about that.
Billy Joe: The week after I was saved, in May of 1970 I was driving with my family down through North Louisiana headed for Florida where my bother lived and we lived in South Arkansas. I had had a heart change, a radical new birth and I was taken from death to life, from darkness to light just the week before. And I was looking out my window that we were driving through the night, just trees, it was darkness but two lane road you could see all around you and then suddenly I saw this open vision of this girl that was in our youth group. I saw she and I together preaching to masses of people and there was this instant knowing that’s going to be my wife! And it was amazing, I had been in the same youth group with her for a year, her father was our pastor, her mother was our youth leader at that time and we had just gone on a trip to Six Flags over Texas as a youth group. And during that time I had spent time with her and I had never had the thought prior to me getting saved, I had never had the thought of dating her or being with her. She was just too radical of a Christian, she was so on fire, so zealous, so pure and holy you know, she was the preacher’s daughter and she was one that lived it.
Sid: Now, just out of curiosity, you have this wonderful open vision, you believe that it’s God but how long did it take you to convince her that it was God?
Billy Joe: Well, I went to Florida and when I came back, I came back late in the afternoon and I called her and I said, “Would you, I know it’s not much time, but would you be willing to go out on a date tonight and go to a movie.” We’re United Methodist so we don’t have a problem going to a movie back then. And she’s kind of a funny girl and she just so funny she said, “Well, let me check my calendar and see if I have an opening of you. Ha-ha.
Billy Joe: And her mother was there and her mother was really upset with her because her mother for whatever reason wanted her to get with me, and so she said, “I think I can work you in between 7:00 and 10:00. And you know it’s funny because she says that she hasn’t had a lot of dates because she was being funny with me. And it was an instant deal, God had dealt with her, it would be three years and three months before we got married so we had quite a lengthy courtship and we lived in different cities at different times because her parents were moved to a new pastorate and I went away to school. But in 1973 that we were married so we were rejoicing here looking back it will be thirty-six years.
Sid: You know the second most important open vision you had, you were on a football field because you had a football scholarship and you had a certain track that you were on, but this open vision changed things for you tell me about that.
Billy Joe: One afternoon in practice we were in full gear, I played defensive back position the offense was in the huddle and I just looked over this hill, it was just a grassy hill and I was looking at and suddenly again, this open vision I see just millions of people but in it I could see faces I knew from my hometown. And they were all living and chasing and running after one thing after another. They were going and I saw the things, they were going after getting an education, getting a job, getting married, getting a house, getting the things that went with it, working so that they could retire, get a house on the lake, a boat and die. And it was just shoal split second or less that I saw it all and was like all the little things that go with it that people were living for and then I heard the voice of God say, “Nothing they have done will go into eternity.” And tears just welled up in my eyes because I saw friends, I saw people I knew in my community among those millions of people that were worldwide yet they were ones I knew in there. And that there whole life was as zero, it was so overwhelming and then the voice of God, “You could make a decision,” and it was like I went back to the start of the vision, “You can make a decision and live for me, to go where I tell you to go, to do what I tell you to do and touch people with My love.” Now it wasn’t like I wouldn’t get an education, I did I got my Bachelors, Masters, Doctorate I earned them all. It wasn’t like I wouldn’t have a family, I got married, we have four children, two grandchildren, you know, we have a house, but those were not things we’ve live for that does not consume us. And the Lord took me to the end of my life and He said, “You’ll come to the end of your life and you’ll look back, not on accumulations, not on accomplishments, but you’ll look back at the people you have touched and they will all go into eternity.” That was the moment that I realized that God was dealing with me about living for Him. And He told me as I pondered on the whole vision later, this was not for me alone, He said, “It’s the story of the world, and that you need to tell it because in one way or another, people are either living for things or they’re living for the Master; either living for the temporal or living for the eternal; either living for the perishable or living for the imperishable.”
Sid: Alright, so someone’s listening to us right now Billy Joe and they’re saying “Well, that’s me, but I don’t know how to change, I’m too enmeshed in these things. How do I make my life count?
Billy Joe: Let me tell you about Arles Cole, he heard me tell this story; he was sixty-five years old. I didn’t know him, he just started coming to our church, he walked up to me, he was a gray haired guy, he in tears, he said, “That’s me, that’s my story, he said, “I’m living on the lake right now, retired, nothing to do just waiting to die.” I said, “Arles, you can make a decision,” I’m saying to everyone listening to me right now. You can make a decision at this age to live for God, do exactly what I shared with you, and God’s going to bless your life, the power of the Holy Spirit is going to flow through you. And he made that decision, okay live for God, what do I do? He and his wife decided to start a small Bible study out there on the lake, invited a few people around and the amazing thing was bikers, the rowdiest bunch of all started coming to their house on the lake and getting saved and filled with Holy Spirit. That’s been over fifteen years ago, Arles and Virginia made a huge difference because they decided even at age sixty-five. And as you’re listening to me right now, find away, maybe you’ll reach out to children, maybe teenagers, maybe someone in the nursing home. Maybe you’re home bound and you have to get on a computer and begin to email people good messages or on a techs on a phone or maybe calling. There is something Sid for every person to find a way to do what God calls them to do, because He has a job for each of us. There are no spare parts in the Body of Christ, the finger has a function, the toe has a function, our kidneys have a function as well as our heart, liver. And we’re defined as a member of the Body of Christ and so that vision connects with the revelation of God’s word is “What is my job to do; how do I apply it?” And nobody who is in a position to say “Well, there’s nothing for me to do.” No, there is something for everyone even if it is just helping somebody else do what they’re already doing.
Sid: But what about the person that says, “But you know I’ve wasted most of my life, it’s too late?”
Billy Joe: You know Colonel Sanders got saved up in his nearly seventy years of age, but that finger licking chicken guy made the most of his later years. And we know the family there in Louisville, Kentucky that helped lead him to Christ and then watch him make a difference in his later years.
Sid: You know, I believe we’re living in such an unusual period of time Billy Joe that it’s almost like Heaven is drawing closer to earth. Are you seeing an increase of the supernatural in your ministry?
Billy Joe: Definitely, not only in our ministry but in the lives of people everywhere. This is the time where two things are happening simultaneously Sid, the darkness is getting darker but the light’s getting brighter. And if people get focused on the darkness then they can just read the newspaper everyday and they listen to 5:00 news and be depressed all day long. It’s true, there are bad things happening, there are terrible things happening. But the flip side of it, Isaiah 60 says, that when gross darkness, intense terrible darkness would come on the earth that the church, the Body of Christ is going to arise and shine. And that’s the other side, and that’s the side that we live on; the side of the miraculous, the power of God, the anointing of God. You know the book, “You Can be Healed” tells so many stories of people being delivered, people being set free, the miracles happening.
Sid Roth: That’s what I love about it, because it tells the stories, but it works the anointed teaching in such a clear fashion that it’s almost like and atrophy muscle will all of a sudden become a big muscle, that muscle’s called faith.
Sid: I have a young woman Evangeline Weiner who is a prototype of a normal Christian. Her parents, Bob and Rose Weiner; Bob is known as a man that teaches faith all over the world. And Evangeline was raised in that type of environment. At five years of age she found herself in Russia and she saw miracles going on. As a five year old Evangeline can you remember any miracles you saw in Russia?
Evangeline: Yeah, absolutely as a five year old even I remember that we would have our own lines at the conferences and these students would come from the universities and you know a lot of them hadn’t even heard of Jesus before. And it was awesome, and you know there we would see, I remember seeing you know just so many people who had deaf ears or you know things that you could visibly see, blind eyes, different things like that which is you know some of the parents that came of these students as well. I just remember seeing one person after another healed of you know of being blind, you know the deafness…
Sid: You know Evangeline faith is contagious and here in America we have a generation, even Spirit filled people that have been raised where miracles are the exception not the norm.
Sid: And you have contagiousness about you; in fact tell me about the three year old in a wheelchair when you were about nine years old in Russia.
Evangeline: Yeah, absolutely. Well we went to Russian every other month so I was there and I was playing outside of the hotel and I saw this woman pushing her son who was about three years old in a wheelchair and I went up to her and said, “Hey, you know we are here, we’ve have brought people from all over the world and I believe God wants to heal your son.” And she said, “Oh well, I’m an atheist, my husband’s a professor at the university of Moscow and we don’t believe in God.” And I said, “That’s okay He wants to heal your son.” And so she listened to the nine year old. I said, “Come with me to the hotel, I’m going to have some people pray for you.” You know I’m going to have some people pray for you; you know I wasn’t thinking right at that time. And I looked everywhere and I looked everywhere for someone to pray for him and well, I couldn’t find anyone to pray for him, you know. And so I decided kind of irritated that I had to pray for him myself, I said, “Fine, I’ll pray for him myself.” You know, I grabbed the kid, pulled him out of the wheelchair and said, “Okay walk” and he had never walked before, he was paraplegic so we had to teach him kind of how to walk, but you know that little boy got healed.” And later on that night they came back to the conference and the little boy ran across the stage to me as his mother gave his life to Jesus. She in front of everyone as the little boy ran across the stage, she dropped to her knees and asked Jesus to come into her life, so it was an awesome experience.
Sid: Now, how does an eleven year old, when you were eleven years of age teach a seminar on faith; how did you do that?
Evangeline: ha-ha.Well, I felt like I was supposed to do a seminar on faith so I went to my Dad and I said, “Dad, I’m supposed to do my own seminar on faith.” And you know because he had trained us our whole life that we have same Holy Spirit that he has and you know the power of God resides in each one of us, and then he couldn’t really say that much about it. But he just said, “Well, do you have any notes?” And so I showed him all my notes and he said, “Well, do you have them in Russian?” And I didn’t know why I would need them in Russian, but I had them quickly translated and you know we had the seminar set up and what happened was, the Lord told him, He said, “That if they see a little eleven year old girl operating in the gifts of the Spirit and preaching and doing all these things they’ll believe that anyone can do it, so let her do it.” So you know I got up there and I said, “I’m going to give you seven ways to grow your nation, change your world you know. And they thought maybe, you know they gave me the smallest room thinking maybe five people would show up because it was a Pastor’s Conference you know. Any way wouldn’t you know it three hundred and fifty of the five hundred students that were there, pastors that were there came because they wanted to hear from an eleven year old girl about what she had to say about God.
Sid: Now, just out of curiosity, were you a little intimidated when you saw so many people show up.
Evangeline: I think I was excited! Ha ha.
Evangeline: I guess I’ve never felt like, I guess I do get nervous, but I’ve always felt like it’s not my job to do something, it’s the Holy Spirit’s job so I didn’t feel pressure to do anything. But you know I’ve been to all those you know revival meetings and you know where people fall under the power of God so afterward’s I said, “Okay, we are going to line you all up.” And me and my little sister, who is nine, lined them all up and prayed for them.” And this is the craziest part, there was two girls from the ballet school because we were doing our conference at a ballet school came up and they said, “Will you pray for me, you know pray for us?” And they were the same age as me and so I said, “Sure.” I didn’t know if they were with us or not with us at the time and I prayed for them. Well, the next day we got a call from the Governor’s Assistant of Religion Affairs for disrupting the peace of Russia and at eleven I had to go meet with the Governor’s Assistant of Affairs. You know he’s this big guy, this bald guy and you know his secretary is typing everything you are saying, and they are saying “Who is this that’s disrupted the peace of Russia?” Ha. And the reason why is because these two girls were the head of the Communist party in that area’s kids and they were just totally ticked off that someone prayed for these two girls and they went home apparently speaking in another language.
Sid: Evangeline, there are people listening to us right now that are discouraged, they use to believe for the miraculous, they’ve seen so little, there in a dead church and everything is dead, dead all around them and they want to get their first love back. I believe they will when they read your book, especially what I was going to say was young people, but why don’t I say young people and those that are young at heart that want to get their first love back.
Evangeline: Absolutely, and you know Sid, I’ve heard from people all over the world that have read it and even of all different ages and saying how it’s encouraged them, got them excited for what God has. And I believe that every stage of our life, you know whether you’re four or forty-four or ninety-four it doesn’t matter, but that God wants to do something new in your life and give you a new vision, a new faith. And even right now as you’re listening and your discouraged you know I just want to pray for you. And Lord, “We just ask right now for every heart out there that is discouraged, that’s discouraged because of the economy, because of growing weary in their faith, whatever it is Lord, we ask for faith to go into each one of their hearts and Lord, that you start to give them dreams and visions Lord that they’ll begin to dream with you again of all the things that you have; and Lord; I just pray for a hunger for the miraculous for the presence of God in their life like never before in the name of Jesus.”
Sid: Speaking of the miraculous, speaking about a hunger for God like never before, what has God showing you that’s on the horizon for us right now?
Evangeline: Well, I believe that we, this is an exciting time in the world. I think a lot of people look and they see a lot of fear and they see you know recession and they see different things that are freaking them out. But I think that this is one of the most exciting times for the Kingdom in the sense of that more people are going to come to know the Lord than ever before. I you know that this being, you know the things that we’ve heard about for years and years, but I really do believe that it is going to be one of the next greatest awakening in the history of the world. And so even from people who are, you know friends from all over I’ve, even my friends who aren’t Christians I’ve been hearing from them of just their desire to know God, of their desire to know Jesus and even from churches and saying that they’ve been seeing more people than ever come to know Him. So I think we have a lot of exciting things on the horizon.
Sid: You know Evangeline; I love the testimonies you have in your book because they’re such faith builders. On tomorrow’s broadcast I want to listen to the testimony of a Shiite Muslem that had an experience with Jesus. But your teaching is what makes this very exceptional; for instance you talk about the seven steps to increased faith; tell me about that.
Evangeline: Yeah, well I think everyone is given a measure of faith and you know sometimes we wait until we have a feeling on you know that we can conquer the world or some feeling in order to you know step out and pray for someone or to step out and believe for the miraculous or the supernatural. But I just want to tell you that you know that faith in the Bible says that, “Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen.” You know so if we’re waiting for things to be seen in order to step out in them then you know that’s never going to happened and I think that it’s a matter of just stepping out and believing God to meet us there. And these seven steps you know, one is first of all is that God has given everyone a measure of faith, as it says in Roman’s 12:3. And Two is to exercise your muscles of faith daily through obedience to Christ and you know what I would even say through that is that as I’m anywhere I don’t even have to think about intentionally speaking to someone you know, I just get into conversations with people and allow the Holy Spirit to give me insight into their lives. And I’ll give you one example, I was sitting on the airplane next to this lady who she started, you know the first thing she sat down next to me and said was, “How she hated missionaries.” Which I was like, “Man that’s hilarious,” so she said that how she hated missionaries and she was going on and on about her hate and then she said, “Well what are you in school for?” And at the time I was studying international studies and comparative religion from the University of Washington. And she said, “Well, what are you going to do with that?” And I started talking to her about how I was going to go into the ministry and stuff. And she started going just like telling all this stuff and basically her and husband we’re atheists, she had grown up Jewish, but they were, her and her husband were atheists. And you know how the Holy Spirit showed me that in that situation was that just to begin to listen to her life and to begin to say how much, you know the things that I loved about her. You know as she talked she talked about things she loved; she talked about a bicycle shop that her and her husband ran and you know they fix bicycles for low income families and different things like that. And I started saying just how much I love the things that they did. And you know pretty soon she began to cry and tell her whole life story and by the end of it she said, “You know my husband he’s a brain scientist at the University of Washington and he just found this part in your brain that actually gives you desire to know God that says that tells you to desire to know God in your brain. And isn’t that interesting? And she said, “You know he just found that and so now he’s been desiring, he’s been looking everywhere trying to find out is God real? Is all my atheist beliefs for nothing? And so anyway she was like, “I was really you know wanting to go to church with you and I’ve never been to a church before in my life.”
Sid Roth: Your book is so faith filled; I believe that no matter where someone is no matter how much cold water has been thrown on your faith it’s going to explode… “The Calling of a Generation.”
Sid: One way the One New Man will come into being is the Levites the worshippers will go first before the army of Israel and that’s why I’m so pleased to introduce to you Andre Ashby. And Andre on yesterday’s broad cast we found out that you were destined to either be in prison or to be a drug addict, there was no hope for you. But except God.
Sid: Took you out of such a hopeless situation and as just a young boy you had a dream and in the dream Jesus came to you, what did He say?
Andre: He just said that, “He would never leave me, never forsake me…
Sid: Had you ever heard that scripture before?
Andre: No, never had.
Sid: And He became your best friend and you loved to sing as a child and you joined the Seven Day Adventist Church, but they had a problem with you because people started feeling the Holy Spirit. They had no grid for the Holy Spirit so they said, “Well, since we don’t have a grid for a Holy Spirit, it’s got to be an evil spirit, it’s got to be the devil. As a matter of fact in college you would do concerts and what would they say?
Andre: Well, we would be put off campus and so what would happen was we would have to like give a list of the songs that we were singing, but the truth is that it wasn’t the songs, it was the presence of God. And people would come up to me and they would go, “Well, you sing like a Baptist or you sing like a Pentecostal and my response to them was if you knew Jesus as I knew Him you would sing like me too.
Sid: Okay, but in your early twenties you meet a woman that has that same presence of God that you’re experiencing when you’re worshiping Him and her name is Sherrie; tell me about her.
Andre: Sherrie Brown, Sherrie Brown, we work at…l left college, came home got a job at Waddell & Reed which is an investment brokerage Firm and I met Sherrie; we worked in the same office. The thing about Sherrie that confused me because I was taught if you went to church on Sunday you really didn’t love God; you were just going through the motions.
Sid: Actually I’ve met Seven Day Adventist that’s been taught much worse of that. But go ahead.
Andre: Yeah, but when I met Sherrie I knew God was around her, I could feel His presence and that confused me. So I decided well, I need to get her out of the Pentecostal Church into the Adventist Church. And so I went about trying to do that, but what happened I got pulled out of the Adventist Church into the move of God, that’s basically what happened.
Sid: But there was a fear of you leaving the church because you’ve been told that unless you worship on Saturday, were you told that it could affect your salvation?
Andre: Basically I was told if I leave the Adventist Church because I would be leaving the truth, I would go to Hell.
Sid: That would be a tough step for you to take, but you had another dream, tell me about it.
Andre: Yeah, this was, I was in Kansas City, I’m from Kansas City Missouri and what people don’t realize is that Kansas City had about third highest murder rate in the country. So I’m walking through this real dangerous part of Kansas City and I’m terrified in the dream. And this tall guy, he was really tall with blond hair came up and walked in front of me, he didn’t say anything to me, but I knew instinctively that I was to follow him. So I followed him through a really dangerous area and went into this house and he went inside, and I stood out on the porch. Now, in Kansas City there is lots of screened in porches, so I’m in the screened in porch. And I waited there because I wanted him to come out because I wanted to thank him because I felt he saved my life. But when he came out, he never spoke anything, he just handed to me a piece of white paper that was folded up. When I opened it up it was written on it and said, “In all your ways acknowledge Me and I’ll direct your path.” And I woke up from the dream. And I knew that it was God was leading me through this scary time and it was okay to leave the Adventist Church.
Sid: You know I had an interesting conversation once with a member of the Adventist Church and because I’m a Jewish believer in Jesus she knew I understood the Sabbath, she said, “What am I going to do?” I love to go to church on Sunday where’s there is the Spirit of God but I’m afraid to leave the Adventist Church because I’m supposed to worship on Saturday and I have children to raise and I just can’t take two days a week. Therefore I’m staying at the Adventist Church. I said, “I have a better idea for you, you realize you don’t need a service to observe the Sabbath you could take Saturday as a day to be with God and your family and worshipping God, and Sunday go to church; that way you’ll have the best of both worlds. She said, “Oh, I thought I had to go to church to observe the Sabbath.” I said, “No, in fact I didn’t take her to the next step the next step is the true Sabbath is not in a day, the true Sabbath is in a person, His name is Jesus. But God never changed the Sabbath; I just think that by going to church on Saturday that’s a lot of work. And it’s a lot more rest and God wanted us to take one day a week of rest, to Saturday as a day of rest, I believe there’s blessings on taking a day of rest, at least blessing for your physical body. But I believe there is blessing for your spiritual body but I want to make it clear to everyone listening, it has nothing to do with righteousness and it has nothing to do with salvation. It’s a matter of blessings, anyway I don’t know if you’ve never heard that spin before Andre, but that’s mine.
Andre: Oh yes, actually I agree with that and also I think that Lord began to teach me more about the Sabbath, that the Sabbath was number one a sign of us resting from our works to enter into God’s works. Like if you look into Hebrews 4 the thing that really shook me was, I realized that the Jewish people at that time kept the Sabbath better than I ever could, but yet God said, “They did not enter my rest.” I’m like okay, that doesn’t make sense to me God, they didn’t enter His rest because they didn’t accept His provision for salvation; which is Jesus.
Sid: Hey, that’s pretty good, now I have your CD here and my staff is so enthralled by it, in fact my producer said to me, and she has a back ground in music, so but she’s very conscious of music not being entertainment, but true worship. And this is what she said, I’m going to quote her. “When I listened to Andre’s music the presence of God, His glory fills my room, the worship is so deep because Andre knows the power of worship and he has the ability to have intimacy with God and walk in the supernatural. Andre’s music is also prophetic, people’s destinies are realized when they soak and worship with Andre’s music. We are going to play a selection from your CD entitled “Before the Throne.” Tell me a bit about “Let Your Kingdom Come.” I know that it’s scripture but tell me a little bit about that.
Andre: Actually I wrote that song, I was at a conference and I sat down at the piano and I don’t consider myself a songwriter, God has to come and inspire me. And I wrote the song about “Let, Your Kingdom Come” that God would release His Kingdom in my life and like I searched for so many things you look for so many things in life, and sometimes it seems like God isn’t there and you know just being real. But in the midst of all the strife and in the midst of all the struggle God if Your kingdom can be reproduced in me then I know I will have what I need to do what You called me to do.
Sid: And in His Presence all things are possible.
Sid: Let’s hear this.
Sid Roth: I’ll tell you Andre really carry’s the presence of God; I want the presence of God to be wherever you go.