Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah because he should be dead. He’s a Jewish believer and he prayed for wisdom; he prayed for healing. He had one of the worst cases of Crones disease; I mean I saw the before and after pictures it looks like he was in a concentration camp. As a result of his search in which he went to 70 different health practitioners in 7 different countries. He tried between 3 and 500 different type of nutritional supplements and massive amounts of natural health remedies. He found himself bound in a wheelchair; he found himself stop socializing with friends. He lived literally in a cloud of depression and wanted to commit suicide and then he met a man who said “Why don’t you just follow what God says.” He started reading the Bible figuring out what God… because there’s such a mixture out there of so many different things and he started reading the Bible and he found out that the Maker God has a diet for us and if we’ll follow that we don’t have to put up with all of these dread diseases. I have him on the phone; Dr. Jordan Rubin I’m speaking to him at his office at West Palm Beach, Florida. In your opinion why are we having such problems with cancer and heart disease and Alzheimer’s… I mean it’s epidemic now.
Jordan: Well, I believe the reason is that we have broken and departed from the way that we should be taking care of the body. And that starts with God’s word the Bible follows His people through history and is now proved by science. I think health, especially nutrition boils down to two things. Get good things, good nutrients into yourself and get waste products out of your body. It’s very simple you need to get the good in and get the bad out. We have that completely mixed up and I believe that there is not one reason why we have cancer, heart disease, diabetes at epidemic proportion; it’s the combination of living a wrong lifestyle. A lifestyle built on convenience and taste and really what is completely unhealthy and that’s why we are suffering from disease. But it’s more than that. What about the people that aren’t sick that consider themselves well? But the definition of well is health is the absence of disease; I don’t believe that. I don’t believe that we should just survive we should thrive; and that’s what “The Maker’s Diet” is about.
Sid: Okay, I want you to give me an example of what someone on the makers diet would eat for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
Jordan: Well, I’ll give you an example off of the top of my head of what I consider Phrase 3 because “The Maker’s Diet” is in 3 phrases. Each one is a little bit easier, the first phase of two weeks can be pretty difficult it’s a departure from what people are used to. Second phase gets a little easier and the Third phase which I consider the lifestyle program is what I’ll share with you right now. For example, someone may have 2 or 3 eggs in the morning, cooked in olive oil or butter. I recommend eggs that are from healthy chickens; so you look for free-range organic high Omega 3. We have lots of recipes from french toast to pancakes to waffles. But again we’re going to use whole grain flour that is what God created in a form He created it in. We’ll use butter or honey on top of it; some fruit on the side. Maybe some cottage cheese preferably from organic milk. That could be a breakfast and of course it’s a big breakfast.
Sid: That’s sounds pretty delicious to me I could go for that.
Jordan: I’m actually hungry right now.
Jordan: For lunch it’s a there’s a variety of salads we recommend, there’s a great number of soups. I’m a big fan of making soup for…
Sid: Let me interrupt you; as I stated earlier I east most of my meals out. I go to a restaurant or a fast food place; but I’m smart enough to know to order a salad. Now all of the dressings for the salads in these places they have these little containers that you tear open. They’re all prepared and they have about 5 or 6 different kind. Are those bad for you?
Jordan: The majority of the oils we consume especially in fast food restaurants are not healthy. However, most fast food restaurants and I say most not all off some type of oil and vinegar dressing. A lot of them partner with large food companies, Newman’s Own; you’re safer doing an oil and vinegar a balsamic vinaigrette type of a dressing verses say a ranch or a Thousand Island. Well, here is a clue if you got a 100 ingredients in a dressing you have ingredients that have both letters and numbers in them you’re probably consuming something unhealthy. So again it’s about choices; fast food restaurants are not conducive to health.
Sid: Now if you’re eating out you want lunch; or you work in an office like I am you don’t want to take a lot of time not the name of the restaurant but where would you go?
Jordan: Well, I would either go to a mid-range or a nicer restaurant and where I live there is 3 places. One of them is kind of a fine dining restaurant but during the day it has a buffet and they have healthy fish, beef, chicken, they’ve got green salad bar that I can consume. They got soups and another place is a little health cafe where you can get sandwich.
Sid: What is healthy fish by the way?
Jordan: Fish that have fins and scales.
Sid: That sounds Bible again.
Jordan: Well, you know you just keep coming back to that book we can’t escape it.
Sid: Well, what fish are in that category, name a few.
Jordan: Well, the healthiest fish are those that come from the oceans and streams. We’re talking about tuna, mackerel, herring, sardines are great. We’re talking about cod, sea bass, orange roughy, I mean there are dozens if not hundreds of different fish that are healthy. And those that are unhealthy and take it from me they’re all over the place because I live in Florida; shellfish, like crabs, lobster, shrimps, scallops. mussels, oysters…
Sid: Why are they unhealthy? Now the Bible says not to eat it but why are they unhealthy?
Jordan: Physiologically these particular shellfish are designed for a reason and they’re designed to purify the waste on our planet. For example one scallop can purify 36 gallons of water.
Sid: So there’s the oceans garbage cans.
Jordan: They are and when Noah was commanded to bring animals into the ark he took one pair of unclean animals and seven pairs of clean. If Moses got off that ark and started eating the unclean animals they would have been extinct because there was only 1 pair. But God created them for a reason and that includes pigs, bears,raccoons, skunks. That includes owls, eagles and ostriches; all these animals purify the environment but they do not belong in our bodies because they’re flesh creates toxins that their bodies weren’t created to remove. Remember I said nutrition is two things, in with the good out with the bad. God said the animals not to eat in Leviticus 11, Deuteronomy 14; do not properly detoxify wastes from their bodies. So when you eat their flesh you’re eating waste; it’s like garbage.
Sid: Okay, now most people are eating the wrong things; they have various degrees of constipation let’s say, and if that be true the bad stuff is being stored inside of them. What does that do to their body?
Jordan: Well, first of all when you consume toxins they’re most generally stored in the fat because a lot of these toxins are fat soluble and they don’t get removed. So what happens is year after year of eating this lifestyle living in a polluted environment, thinking negative thoughts, all of these are connected. They begin to overload their bodies natural ability to resist disease. And what happens is all of us were born with genetic strength and weakness; my weakness was digestion. I didn’t know that, but my living a lifestyle that was unhealthy that’s where it attacked me. Yours might be your lungs, Janie’s might be her skin. Some of us might be our heart. When you don’t eat and live properly according to God’s design what happens is you’re weakness become naked and exposed and you will present some type of health challenge. You know people think well, I’m healthy; my tonsils were removed, I had my gallbladder removed, I had my appendix removed, those three organs are all very important to health. And it seems like everybody is cutting everything out and trying to live a life that they think is healthy but we’re really crippled but we’re destroying ourselves one piece at a time.
Sid: How do most of the people feel that are following “The Maker’s Diet?” Really and truly because most people I know push themselves to feel energetic.
Jordan: People who follow “The Maker’s Diet” and we know this because he have chronicled hundreds of people that we have taken through the program. What Janie said earlier in the program “She has more energy.” She has lost some weight and she sleeps better. And that is what everybody says virtually who goes on the program. Those are 3 things; you know that’s not getting well from incurable disease but it makes a huge difference for someone who is a working mother, has a family to take care of. Who has a husband who’s an executive or a pastor. These people need to be healthy, they have demanding lives; they need to be healthy; they need to give it their all. And when someone goes on the program that’s just the average person listening that wants better health you’re going to notice normalization of weight. Some people are underweight and have illnesses that gain weight. Normalization of weight, they’re going to have energy and their going to sleep better. Plus many people have improved digestion, less joint pain, better mood and there are the occasional miracle stories much like mine that are really heartwarming. And people will say “Well, I’m better from this and I’m better from that.” This program is not a miracle cure by any stretch but what it is it gives us a way to properly take care of our bodies so that we perform optimally. Much like when we buy our cars there’s a manual that tells us what kind of gasoline to use, what kind of oil, when to change it; when to keep it covered and waxed. The better you do with your automobile the better the performance and longer life you’re going to get. Our bodies are the same way but just a little more valuable than what we’re driving around in.
Janie: You know Jordan when I read your book again people are eating a lot of the right foods but in the wrong form. For instance you said things about pasteurization that I had not known with milk. What harmful effects has that had on peoples’ bodies?
Jordan: Well, Janie when I grew up my father is a natural health professional and so I had always heard that milk was bad. So if you look at a lot of the popular nutrition books and the health authority they say “Milks bad, milks bad so I always thought that but when I was reading the Bible it says goats milk for you and your family.”
Sid: Look, Israel’s going to be the land of milk and honey.
Jordan: Absolutely, and so that must be a spiritual thing. So you know what the milk that we drink from the grocery store that is pasteurized, homogenized, skimmed, fortified and stored in plastic underneath in fluorescent lighting is not anything nearly the same as the milk that comes out of a goat or a cow in unpasteurized healthy form. And raw milk that’s very healing to the body is actually illegal in 49 states you have to order…
Sid RothComments Off on Our Guest Dr. David Remedious
Sid: I’ve got to tell you something Mishpochah my guest is Dr. David Remedious and he’s a vascular surgeon like none you’ve ever heard of because he prays for his patients and many times will have a vision actually how to do the surgery. Sometimes even the organ that he’s cut out God gives the person back their organ. But there is river… river isn’t even the right word. There is a presence of God that is flowing through the airwaves right now that David can you feel; is this a healing anointing that I’m sensing.
David: Yes Sid absolutely absolutely.
Sid: That’s what I would have felt.
David: So strong.
Sid: It’s almost like it’s I’ll call it a gentle river; it’s a gentle velvety river of healing anointing. David I believe that if you will pray for people right now and they would release their faith they’re going to go into this river. This gentle river of healing anointing just like in Ezekiel where it talks about where ever the river goes there is life. And they will experience the life; not just life but the life of God in specific areas of their body. Will you pray for them David?
David: I’d be honored. Heavenly Father I come to you in the name of Yeshua, Jesus the Messiah. That You by Your strips they were healed. You came to heal all manner of sickness and diseases. And Lord there is nothing too difficult for you. Lord I pray for those that have incurable conditions in their bodies; fibromyalgia, AIDS, tumors that have metastasized. Lord God You are our healer so right now You sent out Your Word and You healed them Lore. I thank You Lord; there is now divine healing flowing through these airways. And there someone that is literally lying in an apartment in your bedroom and you literally have given up on life; you’ve given up on yourself. And I’m just here to tell you Mam that God is right now visiting you. There is literally a visitation and he’s touching your abdomen on the lower parts in the female organs. And God is restoring and healing and taking all these caked up insides that you have. And God is restoring you and making you a new you. You’ve lost so much weight; you’ve lost about 25 pounds in the past 4 weeks and I believe right now; today begins your healing. So I just thank You Lord for everyone that’s under the sound of our voices in Jesus Name. Thank You.
Sid: And while He was praying I heard two words; there is someone whose wrist is being healed right now. And someone whose back has (Laughing) not being healed it’s already been healed in Jesus Name. And I hear a popping in someone’s ear; someone’s ear has opened in Jesus Name. Now on yesterday’s…we’re going to get people upset David if we don’t go right back to what we were sharing on yesterday’s program. This vascular surgeon Dr. David Remedious is in the midst of surgery; he opens some up and finds out that her gallbladder had gangrene and ; was blocking her colon. And there’s a standard procedure, but the Holy Spirit says “Trust Me I want you to do a different procedure. If there were 100 doctors not one of them would have done that different procedure. David what happened next?
David: Well, I went ahead and performed; I took out the tumor and I took out the gallbladder of course; labatched everything inside real well. And I put the bile back together and again this was something that I did with trepidation. I went ahead and closed the skin because I knew, that I knew, I know His voice. And of course I sent her to the recovery room; spoke with her husband. And then that’s when for me it really began where I had to walk out what I heard. Obviously what if she gets septic and that is the most and it doesn’t hold up and obviously in my mind medical mind I was literally I have to be honest I was struggling with this. I said “Lord I know what you said and I trust you.” There comes a point in our lives when we have to trust that we heard and we have to trust God, trust God. It was amazing on the third day she went home; within 3 days she was home eating a regular diet having normal bowel movements.
Sid: But wait a second now; the normal procedure is she has a bag and how long does she stay in the hospital normally?
David: Normally the best or the most severe circumstance we’re talking about it’s probably about a week at least. A week or 10 days minimum. Well about the third day she was home eating a regular diet and having normal bowel movements. That just does not happen.
Sid: Normal bowel movements?
David: Correct; yes.
Sid: And your saying that this does not happen.
David: No Sir, no. (Laughing) after that kind of procedure. No Sir; I’ve never seen that before.
Sid: Well, something else happened to her; it’s got to do with her colon; how much of her colon did you remove?
David: Oh about 3 feet or so.
Sid: Out of curiosity do colons regenerate or grow back?
David: No, no.
Sid: So it’s medically impossible to have a new colon.
Sid: What happened to her?
David: Well, I took it out and then of course I do a follow up colonoscopy a year later and she had a normal size colon. We took the whole colonoscope all the way and everything. It didn’t look like she even had surgery inside. Couldn’t even find the anastomosis; went all the way.
Sid: Again medically is there one out of a 1000 explanations medically.
David: No Sir that don’t happen; none.
Sid: When you see God operate like that, excuse the pun, what goes on with you?
David: Well, this is totally outside of the…
Sid: It’s outrageous David. (Laughing)
David: (Laughing) With all due respect Lord yeah, yeah yes I don’t know what word to use.
Sid: You know what I have Dee Sapp on the telephone right now. I want to see what happened from her perspective. Dee you’re having very serious surgery; it could cost you your life; you’re on the operating table your out. What, if anything, is going on with you during the surgery?
Dee: During the surgery time I actually was knocked out the evening before on a Saturday evening and was awakened Sunday night after the surgery was completed. So everything that I saw really was in a Spirit realm looking over my body up above my body looking into my body. And actually what I saw was children as angels jumping up and down rolling around in my stomach area laughing. A very warm presence; very much a feeling of love. And they literally spoke to me and said “I could be at peace; all is well and then they left my body.”
Sid: At the same time David you had prayed for angelic help and you felt you were getting it am I right?
David: Oh, absolutely, absolutely.
Sid: So she sees the angels in a spirit realm. You feel them; you’re being instructed. You know I interviewed an individual recently that had his eyes opened to the spirit realm and there were believers dancing and worshiping God and there were angels right behind those that were dancing and worshiping God the same way. It’s almost like the angel does the same thing that we’re doing or maybe it’s assisting us to do it the way that’s pleasing God. Did you feel that there was a supernatural gifting coming over you when you were operating on Dee?
David: Oh there’s no doubt about it; it’s wonderful and at the same time from a medical perspective you know how do you fit the supernatural thing into the natural. There is no fitting in this; it’s just supernatural it’s a God thing.
Sid: So Dee, when you woke up you were really at peace.
Dee: Oh absolutely I’m not famous for not being a nonworrier I normally ask a 1000 questions and I walk in the presence of the Lord for possibly 8 months from that encounter. That was a divine time really; everything was peaceful; the function of my life; the debts. It was amazing.
Sid: But look at what could have happened. You could have left that place with a bag that you’d have to using… I mean your whole life; would have changed. God is a good God.
Dee: He is extremely good.
Sid: So when did you find out that God did even more than you asked for?
Dee: In December of ’96 a year later I was to have colonoscopy to determine the status of the legions and all that. And at that point Dr. Remedious did that colonoscopy and we were told that I had as much colon now as I had before the surgery was ever completed. They used the entire scope and that should not have been the case for him removing over half of my colon.
Sid: So has this been classified as a miracle from a medical perspective?
David: Absolutely; absolutely.
Sid: Out of curiosity Dee do you share your testimony much and I’m wondering if people get healed when they hear what happened?
Dee: I do share it if God opens the door; in fact I just got an invitation from Texas in the Houston area just got off the phone with them. And yes we have seen healings; God uses my husband also even before I was healed; God used him in discernment of knowing and praying for individuals. And they were healed; and it’s awesome and it’s a great privilege and it’s definitely… to stand there and to say “I know God in a creative miracle format.” is unbelievable to me still.
Sid: Well, Dee and David we’re out of time right now.
Sid: We want everyone everywhere to get excited; I mean if you realized what God did in your life how you were heading to a place called hell, that there was no hope. You were helpless; you were hopeless. I don’t care what’s going on in your life right now I tell you if that was all God did was to pull you by your straps out of landing up for eternity with no chance of reversal from Hell you have enough to rejoice in God for the rest of your life. But the truth of the matter is all authority has been given to the Messiah and we have been given power of attorney. My guest in the studio is Jose Santana and he’s a prophet from the Rochester, New York area. I’m very very impressed with the accuracy of his prophesies. I was reading this morning in the Gospel of Matthew 18:18 and this my spin on what I read, it says “Whatever you bind of Earth will be bound in Heaven.” But in studying in the Greek this is what it means “Whatever in the Name of Jesus you unchain on earth has already been unchained in Heaven.” So if you have insight into what is being unchained in Heaven. And the Word of God gave you as much insight as you need then you’re the enforcer. And whatever you chain on earth has already been chained in Heaven. In other words, if I see something evil like cancer, I can chain it; I can put it in chains because it already happened in Heaven. I know this from the Bible; I can tell you tell you’re getting excited you jump off on that.
Jose: Yeah, I marvel like we go to some meetings and I see the Holy Spirit coming in and He looks just like a cloud and He’s touching people but He doesn’t touch everybody. So I asked the other day “Lord, how come You don’t touch them all so people’s life will be changed.” He said “I’m the Lord thy God that looks at the heart.” So a lot of times people receive miracles because I believe the heart has been properly positioned, broken, bruised or whatever you want to call it but the heart is right before God and God could just touch them and they receive. There are other people full of pride and arrogance or whatever and the Holy Ghost just pass them by.
Sid: Now sometimes nonbelievers are healed which causes them to become believers is that the exception?
Jose: I believe that it is always an issue of the heart. We have remember in the Bible the widow that Elijah was sent to her and he took care. Jesus said “There was many other widows at that time but how come only her?” I believe because her heart was right with God.
Sid: Jose I believe that if you tell the people about the love of God that you experienced when you were taken to Heaven when you felt God forgave you but you didn’t forgive yourself. That’s what it was and there’s no way He could have love you that much; describe the love that you felt.
Jose: My Lord, the word says “Blessed is the man that God has forgiven his sin who’s record is clear” in the Psalms. And that’s what took place with me; my carnal mind couldn’t comprehend the love of Jesus Christ that surpasses all understanding. When I received the revelation of God I became a righteous man I became a holy man of God because of what He did for me in Calvary. That’s to any of you that are listening today you must be born again to enter into the Kingdom of God. John 3:3 declares that. It is just by faith and trusting in Jesus as you Savior that you receive the peace of God that surpasses all understanding. And that’s the encounter that I had with the Lord in my life changed. And if He could change my life I guarantee you that He could change yours too.
Sid: Explain the love that you felt from the Messiah in Heaven. Explain that if you can.
Jose: The only way that I can explain that to you is this; if you like a piece of steak this is better than the steak. If you have a love encounter and I could say a sexual relationship it’s much better than that. If you are one that likes to dress very good it’s better than dressing good. It blows your mind; it is the peace of God that takes over your whole body, your soul; everything becomes renewed and you are a new creature in Christ. That’s what I’ve experienced; it’s better than any drug that you could do; it’s better than any car that you could drive; any fame; any hotel it’s all of this is nothing compared with the love of Jesus Christ. That’s what I experienced when He touched my life.
Sid: Left field question, “Why are so many real born again Christians getting divorced? Why has marriage become cheap? Why have the vows become cheap?
Jose: Because they have opened the heart. It’s all an issue of the heart. For instance, if a Delilah spirit jumped before me and flashes me and I truly have the love of God and the fear of God in my heart I’m not going to yield to that sin to that pleasure because my wife satisfy me in all her doing. Because I love the Lord Jesus He makes my wife as a second skin so I don’t have to go to her.
Sid: But why does it seem to be almost an acceptable sin today?
Jose: Because people are not walking close to God. You see the Bible says “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of all wisdom.” They do not operate in the fear of God I’m sorry to tell you.
Sid: You know it’s almost as if Hollywood has invaded the church.
Jose: That’s true, I’ve seen that left and right and then they excuse it they say “The devil made me do it.” I say “No, no you yield some connection in your heart with that sin; you’re connected between your heart and the sinful desire and you yield.” Versus if you submit to God and he will flee.” So there is no excuse why people are yielding to them temptations.
Sid: Jose you just received something from God.
Jose: Yes, I hear the voice of the Holy Spirit saying that there’s a lot of people out there that they want the gifting’s and the forefront of the church but it’s for the wrong motive. The Word of the Lord declares that the greatest of all must be a servant of all. So whatever gift whether it’s prophet, teacher, evangelist, or the fivefold we must know and operate in servant hood, humility, because the Lord our God He wants us to operate in the humility and the gifting’s and the humility that He has placed upon us. If I’m a prophet in the local church my main job is to warn and blow the trumpet when harm is coming to that local church. Not just to say that I could prophesy, that is okay but the main thing is to cover the leadership and protect them through the word of God that revelation comes to me. Not to just bring attention to myself and to give; that to me is childishness.
Sid: You weren’t talking about this but you sparked something in me when you said that. Motive is so important; there are people today that have been trained unfortunately by a lot of many Christian television shows and radio shows that if your give your will get. The motivation is to get things so that you can have things in your life rather than the Kingdom. There’s something out of kilter; I had a letter the other day and it said “Sid is it true that if I send an offering to a specific ministry I can believe God for a new car and He’ll give it to me?” And it’s… there is truth to the law of sowing and reaping. In our ministry we practice Genesis 12:3 “God says himself, I’ll bless those that bless the Jewish people.” But if you’re giving money to get rather than giving money for the Kingdom… Isn’t that what you were talking about on the gifts?
Jose: I have prophesied so many automobiles for people I have not even asked them for a penny, I don’t dare prostitute the gift that God has given me. Freely I have received; freely I give because it is all about His Kingdom.
Sid: I believe that we’re living in a period of time right now and I’m curious if God’s showing this. But it’s the age of Ananias and Sapphira; those that it appeared were getting away with sin in the church I pray to God that they’ll be exposed…
Jose: My Lord.
Sid: in Jesus Name. So that they can repent and get right because if they’re not exposed in this life there is no hope when they die. It’s not one saved always saved. It’s being saved and being grateful for your whole life. And if you stumble repent and repentance is a change of behavior not playing games.
Jose: That’s right; the Bible says to walk your salvation with fear and trembling. x
Sid: I picture people dropping dead in churches as the presence… as God draws nearer to earth, those that are in sin in the church it will be the worst experience that they’ve ever had.
Sid: Now I have a question for you the book of Revelation if I was to ask you do you understand it what would there answer be? And yet so many their answer is “No.” And some even worse I’ve given up; I just can’t understand it. I’m too practical; I’m too pragmatic. And then others even say “It’s already finished it’s already happened” so these are people that are called preterits and that it’s in the past. The book actually says there is a horrific curse with those that tamper with this book and every… I mean your name will be taken out of the book of life if you remove words from this. And then, this book of Revelation actually says “There is a blessing in reading and hearing the words of the book of Revelation.” And so I have my good friend Perry Stone on the phone. Perry says that he has invested listen to this it’s really mind blowing to me 80,000 hours in researching the Bible. I want to get some answers because I believe what the Bible says Perry. I believe that this book, that there’s a blessing attached to understanding it; what is your understanding?
Perry: Sid first of all thank you for having me on the program I’m looking forward to this I believe it’s going to really help the people. The book of Revelation as you said has a blessing placed upon it for those that read in here. But the difficulty that people have in dealing with the book is the symbolism that’s used. For example there’s a woman travailing in Heaven with a child. In chapter 12 there’s this dragon in in the heavens, a great red dragon in chapter 12. There’s a lamb with 7 eyes and 7 horns. And so in what is called apocalyptic literature and apocalyptic literature is in our case Biblical literature that predicts the future through symbolism. It uses what we call Biblical symbols. The book of Daniel they say chapter 7 uses it; the metallic image of Nebuchadnezzar’s dream. Each metal in Daniel Chapter 2 of that image represents a prophetic empire. So one of the first things I’ve learned is that Bible always interprets itself when it comes to symbolism. For example, we know that when Satan came into the garden he used a serpent. So throughout the Bible a serpent represents either sin or it represents Satan; it represents disobedience or evil. A lamb for example the first example of the lamb in a major sense was the word was the Passover where the lamb’s blood was offered. So throughout the Bible we come to the New Testament Jesus is introduced to John the Baptist as the Lamb of God. And then in the book of Revelation the word Lamb is mentioned 27 times. And all but one time it has reference to Jesus Christ. Throughout the book it makes that clear. So the reason people doesn’t study it many times is because the symbolism is a little difficult. But however the Bible itself interprets its own symbolism. And so I would call it the basic 101 understanding of the book of Revelation. But the biggest thing that we encounter when we talk about the book of Revelation is the various interpretations that have come down from history as to…
Sid: Yeah, yeah I pick up some Bibles and they have 4 different views, and I’m saying if these experts don’t know “How can I possibly know?”
Perry: That is such a good question it really is. Well, let me just run through this real quick for people’s knowledge; and that is that some of the beliefs. First of all there is the preterist that believe that the end-time prophecies were all fulfilled in the first century. There’s some very good people that believe the historical interpretation that believe that from the first century until the return of Christ the book of Revelation has gradually been fulfilled. A few people talk about the allegorical interpretation simply saying “Well the Book of Revelation is just an allegory between the Heavenly Jerusalem; the earthly battle for the earthly Jerusalem; good evil God and Satan.” My staff will tell you I have studied this every angle. I’ve studied the preterist, historical, allegorical, the all millennialist, and the best…
Sid: Perry, I watch you on television, that’s number 1, and number 2 if you didn’t tell me that you studied 80,000 hours I would know that you did just by listening to you but go ahead. (Laughing)
Perry: Well, the reason I’m saying that is because I just don’t study what I believe which is the book of Revelation from Chapter 4 to 22 is future. I don’t just don’t say that off the top of my head. I say it because I have delved into all of the other beliefs. And honestly if you don’t interpret the book of Revelation from chapter 4 to 22 as a future event all the other theories start falling apart. Whether it’s historical, the preterist, the allegorical interpretations inside the book. Let me give you an example here. The book of Revelation alludes to in the judgments and in certain passages it alludes to in the Old Testament so many sometimes it’s even difficult to count. So the Old Testament prophets that predicted how the sun would be darkened; how they predicted how the rivers would dry up. You see that prophetic statement that the prophet made in the Old Testament being fulfilled in the book of Revelation.
Sid: Yes, but many would say “But it was fulfilled way before and it’s not a future event.”
Perry: Let’s talk about one group here.
Perry: I think this group needs to be talked about, they’re called the Preterist. Now here is the basic teaching of a preterist. The preterist teaches that the book of Revelation has already been fulfilled, and Matthew 24 all those signs mentioned there up to the sign of the Son of Man appearing has already been fulfilled. And it was fulfilled around the year 70 AD at the destruction of the temple. First of all let’s talk about where they get the idea from of the fulfillment. Jesus made 1 statement in which He said to His disciples “There are some of you standing here that shall not taste death until you Son of Man coming in His Kingdom.” Well, you read after the resurrection of Jesus in John 21 that they were at the Sea of Galilee at Tiberias. And Jesus predicts to Peter that he’s going to be an old man and Peter says “Well, what about John?” And Jesus said concerning John in our Bible “What is it to you Peter if He’s still alive when I come?” And the next verse says “When this saying went about among the disciples that that disciple should not die.” And Jesus did not say “He would not die; what it He tarries until I come.” Now it is clear from that verse that the early church considered John the Apostle a link to the return of the Lord. So here’s what the preterist have done, they have said “Okay according to Jesus the Kingdom will come when John is still living.” John died in about 96 to 100 AD therefore Jesus had to return before the death of Apostle John. They used those 2 verses; now here’s what Jesus in reality was saying Sid it’s very simple. John the author of the book of Revelation he did not die he was the last of twelve original apostles he outlived all of them. Most of the apostles were dead by 70 AD with the exception of possibly two and John was one of them. John lived up until 95 AD and on the Isle of Patmos he wrote the book of Revelation. He saw the New Jerusalem that nobody in the Old Testament saw; he saw the white throne of judgment and the details of it that nobody else in the Old Testament saw. He saw the Lord coming back as King of kings and Lord of Lords on a white horse that nobody in the Old Testament saw. He saw the kingdom; he did not die until he saw the Kingdom. And so when Jesus was saying this he was alluding to John not dying until he saw the vision of revelation. But John did not know that was going to happen and that was the fulfillment of that verse. He did not die until he saw the kingdom but the preterist take that verse to say “John was still living in 70 AD therefore the book of Revelation had to be written before the year 70 AD. Thus Matthew 24 all of those signs of the coming of the Lord had to be fulfilled by 70 AD. Thus the book of Revelation had to be fulfilled by 70 AD. Now here’s how you totally destroy the preterist doctrine. They admit this; if they will admit it they will admit this. And that is when the book of Revelation was written. Every preterist that I’ve studied after says the book of Revelation was written between 66 to 70 AD before the destruction of the Temple. That way they force this fulfillment of Matthew about there’s earthquakes, famines and pestilence and they will talk about the great famine that hit Judea. They’ll talk about a earthquake that hit Israel; they’ll talk about the pestilence that broke out with the famine; they’ll talk about Josephus when he talked about the cosmic signs that occurred in the Heavens. The star appeared like a sword and comet was seen for one year. Josephus talks about that happening before the year 70; so they take all these things combining them together. And they tell people this is already fulfilled. Why are you looking for a rapture there is not going to be one. Why are you looking for God to restore Israel Israel has no significance because the church has replaced Israel. And they get into all this false teaching; and it is false teaching, because they put the book of Revelation as being written in the year 66 to year 69 – 70 AD. Here’s the problem, the emperor, and history bears this out. The early fathers bear this out that the mission was the Emperor at the time that John was arrested. The Emperor of the mission is the one that arrested John put him in Rome to boil him in oil. John did not die; an early father wrote about that. They then sent John to Isle of Patmos where they thought he was going to die there; he didn’t die. On the Isle of Patmos in approximately 95 AD, 25 years after, the year of destruction the temple is when John saw the book of Revelation and the vision of the Apocalypse. Now what happens is when that historical fact and it is not a speculation it can be proven in historical writings but when John writes this vision in 95 AD. He did not die until he saw the Kingdom number 1. And number 2 it blows away the preterist doctrine say everything has already been fulfilled in 70 AD.
Sid: Perry we’re out of time we’ll pick up here on tomorrow’s broadcast. But if God Himself says there is a blessing for hearing the words in the book of Revelation. And you would lose your very salvation if you tamper with this book. It’s an end time book; and I want you to have the best teacher I know who will totally demystify the book of Revelation I promise you.
Sid: I believe this is God’s strategic time for you to start doing the works of Jesus. It’s no longer the pastor, or the evangelist, or the teacher as the superstar. It’s thee Superstar His name is Yeshua Jesus empowering you. Now I have Pastor Bill Johnson on the telephone I’m speaking to him at his office in Redding, California where he is Senior Pastor of Bethel Church. And you make a statement in your book Bill that “Satan is empowered through man’s agreement” explain that.
Bill: Satan could not come into the Garden, the Garden of Eden, and possess Adam and Eve. The only thing that he could do is talk until they came into agreement. When they came into agreement of course they partook of the forbidden fruit and the enemy was empowered to take that place of dominion they had and use that dominion over a planet to keep it in darkness. And it happens today, when people make agreement, when I fall into fear and shame, guilt any of those things all that is my agreement with the enemy. He brings and accusation my way; I agree with him when I do it I empower him to kill, still and destroy in my life.
Sid: Bill, Jesus walked in tremendous authority, tremendous power and you say that many Christians understand the power of God but they don’t understand the authority of God. What do you mean by that?
Bill: Jesus in Luke 9 verse 1 said that “He gave His disciples both power and authority over sickness, disease and over devils.” And what I mean when I say “We move by power” most of us that work in miracles know how to recognize the move of the Spirit in a meeting and move with Him. I like to describe it as catching a wave, catching the wave of the Spirit of God in a certain setting that brings about miracles. And it’s essential that we learn how to recognize the move of God and move with Him instead of trying to force Him to move with us. But there’s another aspect of ministry and that’s the realm of authority. When you’re in a shopping mall or you’re down at the park and you’re at some of these public places you don’t sense the Spirit of God moving; there’s no worship team; there’s nobody directing a meeting where power of God is moving a certain direction. You are there as a representative of the Kingdom of God. You are there as an ambassador of another world representing the King and His Kingdom. And out of that position that’s where we have to learn how to move out of authority. Instead of catching the wave we are creating the wave. God gives us a certain measure of responsibility to actually initiate something because of who He has made us to be. A good example, a young man is down at the park with his grandmom at kind of a church picnic. There’s a woman there on a walker she has cancer from the waist down; she’s going in for surgery the next day. And he says “How about if I pray for you and she says “I don’t believe in healing but you can pray for the doctors.” And he says “How about if we just see what God wants to do?” And she says “Fine but I don’t pray for healing.” So he prays for her when he through she says “I don’t believe in healing because he had prayed some prayer of faith.” She went to the doctor the next day and the pre-surgery examination the doctor said “I don’t know how to tell you this but you don’t have cancer anymore.” There was no wave to catch in that moment; all he did was move out of the authority of who God made him to be and it brought a miracle to destroy cancer in her body.
Sid: Well as far as the authority goes it’s a question of understanding this and I believe in your book you’ve done a brilliant teaching on understanding authority. And there is an anointing on what you’ve written “When Heaven Invades Earth.” I image that a lot of this came from teaching in your school of the supernatural and ministering yourself over the years.
Bill: Yes, absolutely.
Sid: Is this your first book?
Bill: Yes, it is.
Sid: How come you waiting so long to do a book?
Bill: (Laughing) I don’t know it took me awhile to get that one done.
Sid: Well, it’s well worth reading.
Sid: For instance a lot of people that have written about what your book is like I’ve interviewed Todd Bentley who moves in tremendous signs and wonders. This is what he says about your book. “I’ve read many books on healing and miracles. This book is more than just healing information it contains revelatory teaching and keys to living in the supernatural. I believe this book contains some hidden truths and revelation being shared in these last days a must for those wanting to receive and minister a Kingdom of power, healing, signs and wonders.” Tell me where worship fits into this whole mix Bill.
Bill: You know our experience in worship started about 30 years ago. My dad began to teach on the priority of ministry to God. And I can tell you that is really where it all began because in worship is where you discover His manifest presence more clearly than anywhere else. And in that’s how you get to become familiar with the anointing, with the presence of God. How to move with God what His heartbeat is for people. The presence of God is the greatest gift that we have and He inhabits the praises of His people. We have this encounter with His presence in worship that we don’t have anywhere else. So worship is really where all of this started for us is becoming acquainted with the presence of power of God in worship. The only natural overflow is to see healing and deliverance and salvation to lost people. All of that is the overflow of a real recognition of His presence.
Sid: Now you make a big deal in your book, in fact I’ll quote from it, you say “Any gospel that doesn’t work in the marketplace doesn’t work.”
Sid: We think of Benny Hinn and his miracle crusades.
Sid: But as I read the Bible there weren’t these giant miracle crusades, Jesus had them, but they were in the highways and byways going to the people that wouldn’t come to the miracle crusades.
Bill: Yes, I love the Benny Hinn’s of this world and what they are doing and they really help to raise an awareness of what God intends to do with everyone. But it’s got to work out on the streets and so that’s what we go after. We don’t have dorms for our students we plant them in homes all around the city so that we can invade the neighborhood so we can invade the shopping malls, the coffee shops. We have tremendous displays of signs and wonders right out in public places. In fact, I think that we have more people being healed in public than in church. And we have a lot of people healed in church.
Sid: Give me some examples of people that are healed in public places. You’re students actually go… tell me the truth now do they really go to bridges and look under them to see if there are some homeless people that they can pray for?
Bill: Yeah, they’ll get a word of knowledge God will say “There’s somebody under such and such a bridge that you need to pray for.” So they’ll go looking for them. A couple of young men are sitting in a house and the Lord says to them “Somebody needs a miracle at Starbucks.” So they drive down there, they sit outside on the tables and they’ll just wait and a few minutes later a guy comes up on crutches it happens to be a star athlete in town. He had a very serious accident with his lower back tailbone leg area. And two guys went over and asked him if they could pray for him. They did and he absolutely went ballistic he sprinted and ran around the parking lot jumping and just making a scene because he was so stunned over his miracle. And right there in a public place and he is the one who is letting the whole world know so to speak that God healed him down at a coffee shop. And it was just a couple of young men sitting at home and the Lord spoke to them and said “There’s someone who needs a miracle at Starbucks.”
Sid: Listen, there’s someone right now who needs a miracle that’s listening to us and I believe that you can move in the authority God has given you in the name of Jesus and pray for them to be healed. Would you do that Bill?
Bill: I would love to. We see enormous amounts of people healed from automobile accidents that have suffered for 10, 20 and 30 years. So let me start with that, Father, I pray first in the Name of the Lord Jesus that You would release an anointing that breaks the yoke. We stand against the spirit of infirmity and affliction that torments people’s bodies now in Jesus Name. I’m asking Lord that You would touch people that have been afflicted 10, 20, 30 years because of accidents and that bones would be healed. They would be reset, the muscles would be reattached, that the spirit of infirmity that has abstained that accident would be broken now in the name of Jesus. For arthritis, for all of the conditions; the digestive issues; the torment in the stomach area; the colon diseases the colitis and Crohn’s disease I stand against that infirmity in the Name of Jesus. And I rebuke cancer, I rebuke cancer we refuse to stand in intimidation over what the Goliath of the medical community. And we say cancer we rebuke you in Jesus name. I command rebellious cells to be destroyed and for there to be a creative miracle in the name of Jesus. Lord open blind eyes, let eyes be open, let them be restored. For death ears, deaf and dumb spirit I stand against you in Jesus name. And declare the healing word into the ears of people. God I just ask for an anointing not only for healing, but that you would actually restore people’s hearts of confidence to be able to pursue You the God of the impossible once again. That people would learn to cry out and to trust You and just to step into that place of risk, just making room for You to show up and do what You do. You’re the extravagant Father, You’re the great lover of our souls so I ask for courage; the anointing for courage to come upon the Body of Christ in Jesus Name.
Sid: Thank you so much Bill Johnson. Mishpochah you feel that anointing on his prayer. That whole book is filled with that anointing “When Heaven Invades Earth.”