Sid: I have a book that I believe is going to so simplify you sharing the Messiah with Jewish people. This book although there’s some fabulously deep things in it most people that read it say it is extremely reader friendly. The name of the book “The End of History Messiah Conspiracy” absolutely proves that there was a conspiracy among the Jewish rabbis to prevent Jewish people from ever knowing that Jesus is the Messiah. It’s been perpetuated even till to today, but we’ve got the goods. It’s God’s time for mercy on Jewish people. It’s God’s time for mercy on the church. Let me tell you something Jesus said “I shall not return until the Jewish people say ‘Baruch haba b’shem Adonai (Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord).” It’s the job of the end time church to be a John the Baptist if you will to prepare the way for the return of the Messiah and how best can you do it, well at the fullness of the Gentile age I’ll give you a clue Romans 11:11 “Salvation has come to the Gentiles to provoke the Jewish people to jealousy.” You said “God what is my call?” I say “Read the last part of Romans 11:11 “Salvation has come to you for such a time as this to provoke Jewish people to jealousy.” Philip Moore I have him on the telephone I’m speaking to him at his office in Atlanta, Georgia. I’ve got his book in my hand, we’ve got a supply of them we’re ready to send them out to you. I mean you have… I just don’t know where to begin and to stop with this information most people have never seen these things. For instance, you have a chapter here on the Dead Sea Scrolls, teach a little bit from that Philip.
Philip: Well one of the most interesting findings I think was to verify our belief that a very astute scholar named Norman Golb just wrote a book called “Who Wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls.” In there he points out that it was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls at Qumran that Judaism of that time believed in the Son of God Messiah. Now if… I have a book of Gerald Sigal who wrote “The Jew and the Christian Missionary” who attempts to refute Jews for Jesus, Messianic Jews, Evangelical Christian, and their beliefs of the prophecies. He says in there that is a Greco-Pagan type of belief that is not within Judaism. Of course his book is 14 years older but never the less the fact that Dr. Golb verified these points shows us that what the New Testament teaches isn’t pagan but Jewish. It’s not out of line with what the rabbis should believe or the Jewish people, and its support that Jesus is who He says He was.
Sid: You have some very interesting things about China in the book and about the former Soviet Union, especially the KGB. Amplify a little bit on that.
Philip: Well in chapter 2… chapter 19 is about Russia and chapter 2 is about why we’re on planet earth. One of the biggest questions especially a rabbi and today will ask is “Well if Jesus is the Messiah why didn’t He bring peace?” He said… that was very interesting I was just thinking of it when you were announcing the program. Jesus said “You will not see me until you say ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.’” This is what He told… until He is nationally received. The first time He was rejected, but until He is nationally received by the majority of his people Israel there won’t be any peace. When the Messiah comes there will indeed be peace. We believe because He was rejected the first time that’s why there’s no peace. In chapter 3 I mention that the ancient rabbinical Judaism, and I prove I believe, that they believed in 2 comings of the Messiah. That He would come once to suffer and the second time to bring peace…
Sid: Yes but today I was raised in a traditional Jewish synagogue I tell you there is no mention of what the Talmud says about the 2 comings of the Messiah, or 2 Messiahs. There’s no mention of it, why is it?
Philip: Well I believe they want to dissuade a belief in Jesus and try to say that it is not Jewish when it certainly is. The second coming of Jesus will be to bring peace and stop war because look what’s happening now. I mean the predictions in the Bible about bringing peace have to do with bringing peace in a world that’s so so war struck it’s awesome. I mean today we have nuclear weapons. Yevgenia Albats I quote her wrote a book called “A State within a State” that the KGB, she wrote it in ’94 when everybody was saying the KGB is gone, she said “It never left it will resurface.” I quote Tom Gerald when he did a 20/20…
Sid: What do you mean resurface? It’s not going to resurface it already exists they traded in their spy uniform for business suits (laughing).
Philip: Right. Actually that’s more or less what she said, but a lot of people were saying “The KGB is all being neutralized. Russia’s going to be…” not many people know there was a broadcast not too long ago a 20/20 broadcast where they proved and they found documents that people that had been in Vietnam and Korean war were shipped over to Russia and where working there. They probably were killed in ’90… in ’91 when they were bringing all the “teeth” out and all. But in that broadcast the Russians refused to open certain military files because it proved… they found some but the majority of them they wouldn’t let them open because it would show how many of our men were anomalously buried under tomb stones in Russia and identified. I don’t believe they’ve changed, I wish that they have and that they would. I believe a lot of the people is still there but I believe the government is going to close the gap on the people again and only the return of Yeshua to come and save Israel from a Russian invasion will bring a true peace to this planet. And at that time the rabbis will say “Baruch haba b’shem Adonai (Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord)” and realize who He was.
Sid: But I’m concerned not about that, I’m concerned about those Jewish people that are going to die between today and that day without knowing the Messiah because of the Messiah conspiracy by the rabbis. Philip you have the most amazing information in your book like Gold Meir and Einstein some amazing letters like for instance tell me about this letter on page 500 of your book.
Philip: Well that’s a letter that Einstein wrote to Professor Winter it’s in… he really wanted these Newton papers it was in December of 1940 to be made public.
Sid: What do you mean, what Newton papers?
Philip: The religious papers he believed it show how the unique workings of the scientific genius of Newton could be traced to his beliefs and religion and the Bible. He was so fascinated he wrote Harvard, Yale, I mean nobody would receive these papers.
Sid: In other words Einstein wrote Harvard and Yale to get the information on Newton?
Philip: There are letters in the Yehuda collection that indicate that show how these writings were being politely turned down. I saw them myself…
Sid: What was the motivation to turn them down?
Philip: Well a lot of people for years just thought they were a pile of junk. Professor Popkin has done such a wonderful job on some of his works of UCLA. Professor Popkin had shown how valuable these papers are and that they were turned down but they finally were willed today to Hebrew University in Jerusalem. They are going to be released or they may be as we talk on CD Rom. At the time I was doing this research I had the hardest time to get permission. These Einstein letters I have 2 in here that are unpublished…
Sid: Was Einstein a believer in Messiah?
Philip: I believe he may have very well been…
Sid: Let me read this quote on page 609 of your book by Albert Einstein dated October 26, 1929:
I am a Jew but I am enthralled by the luminous figure of the Nazarene. No one can read the gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life.
Well I’ll tell you something if he wasn’t not too many Christians can talk so lovingly about Jesus like he just did. Page 622 this really gets me Gold Meir. Was she a believer, was she a Messianic Jew?
Philip: Well her doctor Larry Samuels was an evangelical Christian and he would read the scripture and even her family ask him to come and read the scripture to her. He became a very good friend of hers over the last year of her life. I have a letter by Grant Livingstone which shows that at least a friend of Larry Samuels make a statement that she did receive the Messiah Yeshua before she died. Through all of these readings of the prophetical scriptures and realizing how important things are as we all do before we die if we know we’re getting close to that point in our lives.
Sid: Well Philip Moore I want to thank you for being my guest on the Messianic Vision.
Sid: My guest by way of telephone is researcher Philip Moore. Philip was a researcher for Hal Lindsey and he’s come out with his own book he spent 12 years in it is preparation, almost 8 years in Israel. He has uncovered previously hidden manuscripts information I’ve never seen presented in a book before. It’s 1200 pages this book it’s a definitive book the title “The End of History Messiah Conspiracy.” You’ve got quotes here on… it’ll boggle the mind this information it had to be God for you to get so much. There’s a chapter that intrigues me I’d like to talk about today Philip. The title in chapter 9 of your book the “The Messiah Conspiracy Concludes in Preventing Healings,” what do you mean by that?
Philip: Well there was a verse in the Old… in the Bible that the apostles used to whisper in people’s ears and they’d get well.
Sid: You know what’s so amazing is I understand early church history, the lowest believer in Yeshua in the congregation could lay hands on the sick whisper the name Yeshua, Jesus, and the person would get healed. Today if they do that they give them their own television series. (Laughing) I mean anyone could do it back then.
Philip: Hmm, hm.
Sid: Anyway I’m sorry go ahead I just had to get that little commercial in but go ahead.
Philip: Actually the value of what they were saying was a verse from the Bible that said “May the Lord heal you. The Lord that healeth thee, the Lord is your healer” actually is direct rophah meaning healing is there. Those words numerically would add perhaps by coincidence to the name of Jesus in Hebrew. Rabbi Akiva was condemning, he makes several statements in the Talmud “May they be cursed that whisper their whisperings.” There are 3 quotes from that time but on the top of page 9 we show… actually one rabbi said “It was better that a person died of sex life than being told this word that would heal him.” Are you looking at those quotes?
Sid: Yeah do you want me to read them?
Sid: Okay the first one and these are all Talmudic quotes and you cite the references for anyone that’s interested. It says “A man shall have no dealings with a heretic” that means Messianic Jews, “nor be cured by them even for the sake of an hour of life. There was the case of Ben Dama nephew of R. Ishmael whom a serpent bit. There came Jacob, the Apostle James of the New Testament, the heretic of the Village of Shechania to cure him in the name of Yeshua.” They say Yeshu it is drag reformed I’ll say Yeshua, “But Rabbi Ishmael would not allow him. Ben Dama said to him ‘Rabbi Ishmael my brother do allow him that I may be cured and I will produce a text from the law that this is permitted.’ But hardly had he finished his discourse when his soul departed and he died. So that proves you should not be healed in the name of Yeshua,” supposedly. Another quote from the Talmud the grandson of Rabbi Joshua ben Levi had something stuck in his throat. “There came a man and whispered to him in the name of Jesus and he recovered. When the healer came out Rabbi Joshua said to him ‘What was it you whispered to him?’ He said to him ‘A certain word.’ He said to him it had been better for him that he had died rather than that.’” Come on rabbi you’re saying it would it would have been better for that man to die rather than be healed in the name of the Jewish Messiah? One more quote you have here, “Rabbi Akivah,” now most of us have heard of him “Rabbi Akivah said ‘He who reads in external books and he who whispers over a wound and says ‘None of the diseases which I sent on Egypt will I lay on thee I am the Lord they healer has any share in the world to come.’’” So Rabbi Akivah says you could lose your eternal life you if pray for someone in the name of Yeshua and they get healed. I mean that is outrageous, you know what they proves to me Philip…
Philip: Hmm, hm.
Sid: …that proves to me that people were being healed in the name of Jesus.
Philip: And that proves that He was a real person and those people that come forward and say “Well how do we know He ever lived. In the very Talmud the witness of opposition that Simon Greenly one of the greatest lawyers of all time who established a lot of the rules of the courtroom today back in Harvard . He said “You could the tell the most of a witness of the opposition” now these people that opposed Yeshua or wrote about people being cured in His name. So what more proof need we to show that he was a real person…
Sid: But, but, but Philip in all fairness Rabbi Yakiva was one of the greatest rabbis that rabbinical Judaism has ever produced. I mean this man was so great he knew who the Messiah was it was his cousin, what was his name? Bar Kochba.
Philip: Yeah that’s who he proclaimed was the messiah of course he wasn’t but in the war he really felt that he was.
Sid: What I understand a majority of the Jews followed this false messiah. I mean if Rabbi Akiva was wrong on who the Messiah was, his little nepotism he thought it was his cousin and the majority of the Jews followed, maybe he was wrong on his opinion about Jesus.
Philip: Yeah that’s a very good point that I bring out in chapter 27 where I quote all the rabbis throughout his… not all of them, but most of them throughout history that have made so many wrong guess dates for the Messiah. I play out “Well if they were wrong all these times might they also be wrong about Yeshua being the Messiah.” As far as archaeology goes in chapter 8 I was confronted by a rabbi here in Atlanta when I went to a group of where they were going to teach that Jesus wasn’t the Messiah. He told me, his name was Rabbi Lewis, and he told me that… “What do you when a Christian…” I mean to paraphrase him he tells you that there’s… “That it worked 2000 years ago Jews believing in Jesus why won’t it work today?” Somebody in the group said “Well it didn’t work 2000 years ago either” you know that there weren’t any in other words, or very many anyway. I quote… and he made a statement “Do you believe everything that comes out of Russia?” This was in ’83 when Russia was the way they were back then, I think they’re going back but that’s another subject. We answer that by showing this Eretz Magazine Israeli geographical magazine quotes an archaeologist who shows her discoveries, her name was Claudine Dauphine French archaeologist working in Israel. She showed, found ebonite graves in the Golan lots of them that dated to the 4th century it showed there were a sizeable number at that time and that the archaeological discoveries of today are verifying this.`
Sid: A sizeable number of?
Philip: Messianic Jews where they found Jewish and Christian symbols carved on the graves…
Sid: Well they say there weren’t too many Messianic Jews in the first church. What do you say to that?
Philip: That’s hogwash! That’s the rewriting of history, that’s revisionism it doesn’t serve their purpose to admit it, but when you start to look at the modern archaeological findings it shows there were probably close up to a million. I have some quotes from a scholar Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum he said that there were 2 towns Yettra was one of them that were called engulf towns in the Talmud because their populations were almost completely Messianic Jews.
Sid: Now let’s go over a few of the chapters in your book and tell us what they cover.
Philip: Well I have a really interesting chapter we haven’t touched on…
Sid: What’s that?
Philip: “Christian Zionist Past and Present.” A lot of times the rabbis will say “Well why do you want to tell us about Jesus? What about the holocaust and the…” There are so many believers and I mention this in chapters 12, 13 and 14. Hundreds of years ago even famous like John Locke and John Milton who believed that Israel would return to the nation who loved the Jews based on what the scriptures taught and even saved them from the Spanish king I mention in chapter 12, it’s called “Christian Zionist Past and Present” and I show that there are a lot of… there were true Christians who were persecuted by the established church at that time because they believe the scriptures literally. They believe that the Jewish people will return to Israel the prophecy would be fulfilled, and there were more than a handful of them. I believe that the reason a lot of the Christian Zionist were not the proper numbers that even allowed for the holocaust to happen was due to the fact that so many… in chapter 13 I talk about all the philosophies the… from Kierkegaard to Darwinism and all and how this stunted more or less disabled a large number of Christian Zionist they were more or less… they were persecuted in the Middle Ages by the established they were killed. The teaching today is if you’re a real Christian you’re just not very smart because these different philosophical ideas more or less teach against the fundamental truths of the Bible. These philosophies I show in chapter 13 more or less I believe were responsible for communism today and responsible for Hitler being able to get the hold that he got on Germany and who knows what in the future.
Sid: And there’s nothing new under the sun. So to understand how these philosophies allowed the anti-Christ types to evolve will show you what the devil’s about ready to do again I believe.
Philip: History repeats itself or the famous saying by a philosopher that I don’t put much stock in but never the less I believe he was right on the point that “History teaches us nothing, that we learn nothing from history.” I believe his name was Cont but… well there are other chapters. I have a chapter called “Aches, Faith, and Mistakes” which shows even famous evolutionist are beginning to admit that they were wrong, if it did happen it certainly didn’t happen the way that they had drawn out. The fakes of course are pigs teeth that were thought to be missing links that weren’t, or Piltdown man he was a definite fake. The mistake was it was a pigs tooth and… I cover all of the different quote different kinds of men and show that they weren’t. There is even evolution… even people like Leakey have been dishonest and said different things than they put in their textbooks and have been told on by their colleagues and I quote that in there. In chapter 1 I talk about creation I show the false prophecies, Nostradamus, in chapter 2…
Sid: You know you show things about Nostradamus that people don’t realize. They think he was a great prophet. He made mistakes and according to the scriptures you make a mistake you’re not from God, and the mistake is if I keep talking we’re out of time.
Sid: I’ll tell you something the family that’s got the goods, I mean Jesus is going to return I believe in our lifetime. As a matter of fact on yesterday’s broadcast we found some little known facts that researcher Philip Moore has put together in a book even about Sir Isaac Newton the greatest scientist of all history. He prophesied and predicted the 2nd coming of Messiah would be in the 21st century but this book is so fabulous. I have Philip Moore on the telephone I’m speaking to him at his office in Atlanta, Georgia. He spent almost 8 years in Israel, spent 12 years doing research for this book. Hal Lindsey thought so much of his research that he has him research his books. But the information that Philip has in this 1200 page book is revolutionary. I mean you’ll want to read a few pages of this every night it’ll just blow you out of the water. The thing that’s so amazing to me that I love personally, it’s only one section of this book, is Philip has the prophecies proving Jesus is the Messiah, but then he has the ancient Jewish writings before there was prejudice that absolutely say these are talking about the Messiah. Then he has the modern commentaries by the rabbis that literally have the nerve to be revisionists and do not follow the ancient rabbis and they’re trying to say these prophecies are not Messianic. It’s literally a conspiracy. He shows how the conspiracy and the cover up and the rewriting of history occurred by the rabbis. Literally your title here is “Rabbinic Watergate Yavne and Today and Why Did They Cover Up the Cover Up.” I mean every page is just the most fascinating reading. But Philip most Jewish people I know are either atheists or agnostic, unless of course they know Jesus. I guess the only honest Jew that doesn’t know Jesus could be an agnostic, I mean you can’t know God unless you know the Messiah because you’re separated based on your sins you can know about Him, you can believe in Him, but you can’t know Him. But the thing that I loved in your book right at the very beginning that very few people have seen is we Jewish people have problems with creationism. We believe mostly in evolution and you see Jews in the forefront of things involving evolution, BUT you blow evolution out of the water based on your research and your understanding of Hebrew. Explain it for the Mishpochah.
Philip: Yeah well there are 2 words for… usually in evolution people are talking that the world is very old and the creationist says it’s very young.
Sid: So there’s a conflict? You know you can’t believe both.
Philip: Right but if you know Hebrew and there are 2 words for creation. One is asa and one is bara, and the bara means to create something from nothing. But asa means to reconstruct something from something that is already created. So we believe that it is very possible that the earth is very very old yet God recreated it and the asa and relatively recently. There is a word between in Genesis these 2 Hebrew words bara and asa and it’s called tohu va-vohu which means chaos an Israel talmid, the best way to put it in modern language is a tossed salad.
Sid: Now I’ve read this so I understand it but let me clarify for some of our Mishpochah. You’re saying the first word used in Genesis where it says “God created the heaven and the earth” means to create something from nothing.
Philip: That’s right.
Sid: The second word in between means a tossed salad, the world became a tossed salad (laughing). Then the 3rd word for create really means reconstruct not create something from nothing, so it appears as though the earth was created something from nothing such as the Bible says. Then this wonderful earth became a tossed salad and then, and it’s only if you know the Hebrew you can see it. The next word for create in the book of Genesis where it’s the creation story says it was reconstructed having… it doesn’t say “something out of nothing” it says “reconstructed” when you know the original Hebrew. This changes, this will have to change the thinking of a lot of people that have problems with saying “The earth is over 5000 years old.”
Philip: Yep and there’s support for this in Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14 where Ezekiel 28 talks about it being a perfect world until Satan rebels it, verses 12-15. In Isaiah 14 verses 12-14 there are all these 5 “I will boast of Lucifer.” Of course once he rebelled and chaos took place throughout the universe he was exiled then God recreated man. The angels that went over to his side decided where they had laid their lives, and God decided He would create the human race. Jesus said “I saw Lucifer fall from heaven like lightning” in Luke 10:18. I believe God created man after the original world and there are so many supports in that scripture to back this up. I have a lot of charts by Clarence Larkin that they’re reduced but they illustrate and use this scripture to prove this viewpoint.
Sid: Now if you were to pick, and I know this is difficult and I’m going to ask you, if you were to pick one chapter out of all the chapters in your book “The End of History Messiah Conspiracy” that you think is the most important for Christians to understand? I know this is difficult, which one would it be Philip?
Philip: Well to me number 7 but 5 would… but the number 7 deals with the birkat haMinim and what took place in first century and how…
Sid: Explain that Hebrew word first of all.
Philip:Birkat haMinim means a blessing for the Minim, actually Minim means Nazarene. They found a fragment with the word Nazarene beside Minim so we believe that clarification… actually Minim technically means a sect or group of Jewish believers of different representations. Today you have orthodox, conservative, reformed, but at that time there was 28 different sects within Judaism. Believe it or not one of them believes Jesus was the Messiah and they don’t want people to follow after those guys and they decided to create a blessing that would actually splinter off and make the Jewish believers in Jesus look like a cult and be rejected within Judaism.
Sid: That’s what occurred they put this benediction, or this blessing in in which Jewish people could not say, that believed in Jesus, and when they said it they were ousted out of the synagogue, but who was this Yochanan ben Zakai that you mentioned?
Philip: Well he was a rabbi that was smuggled out in a casket to get… Vespasian gave him this town. He has made a prediction of course he knew but it wasn’t a real prediction but he made it look like he was predicting and Vespasian was so awed he said “What can I do for you?” He says “Give me Yavne and its sages.” They went there and they created the new Judaism that everybody thinks has always been Judaism which absolutely, which isn’t it’s devoid of the Messiah and the prophecies of the suffering Messiah. We believe this was to create a way of holding the Jewish people together throughout the diaspora and keeping them separate from the Gentile believers in Jesus.
Sid: But you know in that chapter, and I have this marked because it’s so phenomenal you clearly point it was a whole revision of Judaism. I don’t even know if we can rabbinic Judaism, Judaism. You know it’s interesting they say “The Messianic Jews can’t call Messianic Judaism, Judaism.” I wonder if they’re not using a debate tactic based on the research I see in your book I don’t think they can rabbinic Judaism really Judaism, what do you think Philip?
Philip: I don’t either. I believe that they’ve just created a cultural myth they call Jewish but it really isn’t but it was designed to look… you know they follow the basic step by step of traditions and its close but they cut out the most important prophecies and tried to claim “Oh if you believe that you’re not Jewish.” Yet the ancient rabbis said these prophecies were about the Messiah.
Sid: You have a quote here Philip in that particular chapter in which I agree is fascinating the big cover up to stop Jews from even thinking for themselves. Literally I have to say that Jews cannot think for themselves when it comes to Jesus and it was a rabbinic conspiracy. You prove it cold in this book, but the man that created this rabbinic Judaism this Rabbi Yochanan ben Zakai… you have a quote here about his death bed, and I guess like they say “There’s no atheist in a foxhole,” well he was in his foxhole with a bomb going off. He was ready to die and it says, let me read this quote you have in your book, “I go rather to appear before the King of kings, the King of kings the holy One blessed be He whose anger if He should be angry with me is of this world and of the world to come. Moreover I have before me two roads, one road paradise the other road Gahanna and I know not whether He will sentence me to Gahanna or hell or admit me into paradise.” The rabbi that teaches Jewish people what is right, what is wrong that all rabbinical Judaism is based on today. When he died he didn’t know which fork in the road he was going to… he didn’t even know if was going to heaven or hell. I mean when Jesus said “If a blind man leads another blind man won’t they both fall into a ditch?” I think was he was looking down the corridors of time and he saw rabbinic Judaism. What do you think Philip?
Philip: I believe you’re right and it’s very interesting that in the New Testament we talked about Yochanan ben Zakai, John the son of Zakai. There was another Yochanan I put a lot more stock in and that’s Yochanan ben Zebedee who is better known was the Apostle John in the New Testament. His writings he saw the resurrected Yeshua. He said “We could know that if we believe in Him that we can know where we are going.” That we’re going to be with a Messiah that we’re going to live forever that we’re going to have the promise paradise that the Jewish Tenach promises and the New Testament promises. I believe that is true Judaism after all the word Jew most people don’t even think where does this come from that Judah in the Jewish Bible and she said “I will praise the Lord.” It means a praiser of God and Abraham was the first one to step out and to do that out of a pagan world and that’s why God decided to build a people from him that he would bring the Messiah through, that’s why Jesus is Jewish. If we believe, Jew or non-Jew, if we believe in the Jewish promises we are really Jewish in God’s sight.
Sid: Phil from the viewpoint not physically, but from the viewpoint of spiritually and being a worshiper of God, however God is going to reach physical Jews right now.