Sid RothComments Off on Our Guests Adam Thompson and Adrian Beale – Part 2
Sid: Hello Sid Roth with Something More Adrian Beale and Adam Thompson. I asked a question before we went to break and that is why isn’t God as pragmatic as me, if he tells me go to the moon I don’t know how to do it I would go to the moon that’s only astute but why does he have to put it in these codes and these metaphors?
Adam: How frustrating.
Sid: Yeah can you hear it in my voice (Laughing).
Adam: (Laughing) just slightly the 1st Corinthians chapter 2 verse 13 says that “The Spirit of God teaches comparing spiritual things with spiritual.” And so our understanding of scripture helps us or it becomes the lens through which we look at what God is saying. And so all of that time that we’ve spent in the word is not wasted it becomes the body of knowledge that God then uses to fill out the picture of what He is saying to us so that He is always speaking to believers and believers then should be able to…
Sid: If I was God I’d by pass that whole thing (Laughing).
Sid: I’m just telling you (Laughing) I would.
Adam: Doesn’t it make it much more interesting what if the kingdom were in such a dimension that we couldn’t understand it? So what He does he puts it into a story for us so that we can then grab a hold of that story and envision that story. Images we hold images quicker than we do words but as natural because we’re visual more visual. And so we hold that imagery for a longer time. It’s really important then when you do have a dream that you write it down or otherwise it escapes you after a period of time.
Sid: I’ve notices that myself and I have a little pad now that I start writing them down and then it doesn’t escape me.
Adam: We advocate that and sometimes we find now that you can get an app that you can just record your dreams so you can just speak into it so you don’t have to fumble in the dark to do it. And we sometimes we have pens that light up in the dark so they can write the dream down without waking their partner or their spouse up.
Sid: Can you shed some more light for me as to why God is doing this way verses the pragmatic way?
Adam: Well I believe that God that He wants seekers He wants people to seek Him out and to search Him and to have communion with Him. And you know I believe God puts it in parables so we can search out the mystery so we can see it and it helps to seek Him out. I believe that you know if we don’t understand the parable and a lot of people don’t initially there’s a sign there that we’re not really understanding we’re not understanding the language of heaven it’s like a language. So as we grow into this language alright, it says in Hebrews 6 we move on from the elementary teachings of Christ and we go into maturity and God wants us to mature to understand the language heaven you see. When I shared earlier about the…
Sid: It’s be pretty bad and we get to heaven and we can’t speak.
Adam: That’s exactly right and you know it’s a wisdom that comes from above and remember early on I asked the Lord for wisdom.
Adam: Well I had that encounter but it’s for everybody it’s not just for me as a guru. Jesus made a comment He said “There’s one greater than Solomon here” he mentioned this as he’s talked about the Queen of the south coming. And He talked about Solomon and He said “There’s one greater than Solomon here” and He’s talking about Himself about that one greater than Solomon could be activated inside of us which is Christ. And give such revelation to be able to commune with the Father. And that’s what I believe it’s about He wants us to search it out. It says in Proverbs “It’s the glory of God to conceal a matter but it’s the glory of kings to search it out.” So He wants seekers he wants us to knock and the door will be open; He wants us to seek and find and knock on the door and the door will be open. And He is there at the door and Jesus is the door by the way so.
Sid: So Adrian, for someone like…you’re like me from what you’ve told you didn’t it frustrate you when you first started in this area?
Adrian: Initially Adam had a gift and I used to go to him with dreams, my dreams and other’s dreams.
Sid: So see and I don’t want to do that I want to know it for myself.
Adrian: But the good news is now that I’m interpreting dreams and I’m teaching other people to interpret them which means that each catchable, it’s doable…
Adrian: …it’s doable it’s impartible. You know one…
Sid: Impartible do you mean that you could pray and people watching would get an impartation to understand their dreams better is that what you’re saying?
Sid: I like that but you see we’re a McDonald’s generation, instant (Laughing).
Adrian. But Adam also in that Hebrews passage that Adam was talking about yesterday that Yeshua was the coming one and so on it also says that “By practice you increase your discernment.” And so will pray certainly in this segment and will impart the Spirit of understanding so that the people can start to see beyond the narrative of the dream, or the vision or the scripture to see what lies beneath it. So we’re not just looking at the spaghetti western but we’re actually looking into the stories and seeing what is behind them.
Sid: What about and I know this is kind of left field but the question’s coming to me, what about getting a dream from the demonic how do you know the difference?
Adrian: You know well there are basically 3 sources to our dreams we all know God dreams and we label them as such. Now the devil does have this capacity so when Jesus was in the wilderness He was led up on the mount and He was shown all of the kingdoms of the world. Well it didn’t all exist together and there wouldn’t be a place physically that you could go if you went to Everest you would see all of the kingdoms of the world. And so we know the devil has this capacity. When we’re looking for demonic influence or when we’re picking up a demonic influence in a dream interpretation. We go “What’s the door for that to come in?” Alright so the Bible says in Ephesian’s don’t give any foothold or any ground for the enemy to come in. Normally there’s been a trauma there’s been un-forgiveness or some sort of holding some person to a debt. You know so what I say to people is this if you are checking yourself and you are getting a repeat dream that particularly tormenting you then I would say to them I would just ask them this question “If all of the fields were down and there was no restriction would you like an apology from that person?” And if they say “Yes” then what that shows is that they’re hearts are still holding a person owing a debt to them and they need to release them. It says in Matthew 18 from their heart or other words they’ve been given over to torment. There also the other thing is there are 3 sources to our dreams God dreams, the devil can come into our dreams, and our own heart flavors our dreams. Ezekiel 14 says “If a man comes to me or comes to the prophet and is seeking guidance I the Lord will answer according to the idol in his heart.”
Sid: Oh well that’s pretty profound.
Adrian: Which means when we do come to God we’ve got to be heart-full or mindful of where our heart is at. And so we need to remove the idol but what’s the idol so if God’s there and I had an idol and I’m saying “Yes that’s the person I need to marry or that’s the car I’m going to buy or that’s the job that You’ve got for me and I’m set on that God will answer me according to that.”
Sid: Hmm, that’ a little scary.
Adrian: It is scary it is scary.
Sid: So what is the very first thing we should do we have the dream you’ve already told me, I’ve got a little pad next to my bed and I write my dream down and then I try to get back to sleep. Then I wake up in the morning what’s the very next thing that I should do?
Adam: Should ask the Holy Spirit say “Holy Spirit give me insight show me what are you expressing here what are you trying to tell me.” And it’s best to look at the whole overall dream first and as I dream I was saying earlier in the day context was the actual key. So you look at the whole context you know the book that you’re talking earlier about “The Divinity Code” about doesn’t interpret your dreams it’s the Holy Spirit can express it so you always ask the Holy Spirit. And also it’s also good to share it with other people too your dreams people who are mentoring you or…and ask them what they think as well and they might confirm what the Holy Spirit is saying. So I would it’s sort of like interpreting a dream is like hay you see these little children books where it’s called “Join the dots.”
Sid: Yes, connect the dots.
Adam: When you actually have all of the metaphors come together and when you ask the Holy Spirit to bring the metaphors together you start to see the picture come in place.
Sid: That has to be a very exciting rewarding moment when that happens.
Adam: It is yeah and you start to get the revelation you go “Wow God is speaking to me!” whether it’s a warning or it’s a promises of heaven to be revealed to you or it is deliverance for your family or healing for your family. And it’s not just the dream we can activate it and see it manifest on earth and that’s what we see we see the actual dream become substance through healings, miracles, we’ve seen so many things happen with dreams and visions…
Sid: Give me just one that comes to mind and what happened; well whet my appetite so that I’ll really be happy about writing down these parables and codes.
Adam: I think well there is many of them but the one that comes to my mind is the one with the lady in Cambria with the child do you want to share that?
Adrian: This is not a dream that we had but somebody bought the book and 6 months to a year later they…what happened was they had a dream that there was somebody in… they dreamt that they were on the bed they woke up and there was a gynecologist on the end of the bed from when they had children. And the gynecologist said to her “What does this person mean to you?” And the person that had the dream happened to be a care worker and that person’s name was one of her old clients and it meant that she had to drive to the other side of the city to go and visit that client. Now the name of the client, the name of the client and then the name of the suburb that that person lived in was the daughter’s surname.
Adrian: So she put 2 and 2 together she said “Gynecologist and my daughter” my daughters pregnant so she rang her up and she asked her whether she was pregnant and her daughter denied it. So she tried the next trick and that was to ring up her son-in-law and she said “Congratulations I understand that so and so’s pregnant.
Sid: That woman’s got chutzpa that’s Hebrew word means nerve boldness.
Adrian: (Laughing) She did and he denied it but that night her daughter rang up saying “You and God have undone me I’m booked for an abortion tomorrow and you’ve undone my plans.”
Sid: Wow, wow.
Adrian: Isn’t that incredible.
Sid: That is wonderful.
Adam: We have so many testimonies like that it’s just…we wouldn’t be doing this if it wasn’t testimonies…
Sid: You know again I see how necessary it is…what do you do to someone who says “I never dream?”
Adam: Well probably smack them around a bit (Laughing).
Sid: No, no, no we don’t do that “You’ll know my disciple’s by their love.”
Adrian: Exactly I’m teasing I’m kidding.
Adrian: Some people do that and you pray and say “Stop this I don’t like what I’m receiving in the night” because sometimes it’s what they’ve actually confessed with their mouth.
Sid: Because it’s almost a curse because if you’re blocking God speaking to you to me that’s a curse.
Adam: Yes, it is, it is. And when you realize that God wants to speak to you everyday you know in a poetic language this is one of the reasons why it is a parable why it does come in metaphors because if you know the scriptures 1/3 of the scripture in in poetry. So in our ragged Bibles everywhere you see that ragged edge so we know Job to Song of Songs is poetry but did you know that the prophets are poetry too because of all of that ragged edge so it’s not in pros it’s actually in poetry.
Adrian: So the Bibles poetry and it’s the language of love as we would realize in the secular world if you’re speaking to your love one you might use a bit of poetry because it envisages, it brings about a picture to mind. And so wouldn’t God a God in the kingdom speak to us with images from that love. And so that is another reason why He uses poetry.
Adam: Yeah and with people that don’t and who can’t dream when we do the conferences and some people say “I don’t dream can you pray for me?” We actually impart and Paul says in Romans the Apostle Paul, says that “How long can I impart my gift into you?” And so there is an impartation of this and we have people contact us and say “I can’t stop dreaming and I never dreamed and now I just can’t stop dreaming what have you done to me.” And when Adrian was joking around about slapping around we actually do lay hands on people but in a nice way we impart, we impart the gifting.
Sid: Can you impart as effectively because people you can’t lay hands on people that are watching.
Sid: Or listening to us on radio can you impart with the spoken word?
Adam: We can if someone can touch the screen or touch their iPhone or whatever it is we can pray and decree we believe that that can happen God can do anything.
Sid: Well then we come back with Something More I would like you to impart 2 things. I want you to impart so that people that don’t dream will start dreaming, and I went you to impart revelation of dreams. And I’m almost you know I read this in the notes that what you want to impart is so important for us to not miss this that we need to hunger I mean… I have to tell you just talking to you guys I can’t wait to go to sleep. (Laughing) I’m teasing but no I’m serious I can’t wait to go to sleep I want to dream I want to hear from God.
Sid: With all of these defenses gone. Tell me things that God does in dreams you said warnings, what else?
Adam: He can show you the promises of God. He can show you what He has for you because we’re His children and we’re heirs to God in His kingdom. And one case with a vision of God because visions are pretty much a dream when you are awake. We can probably talk about that later. I actually a got a brand new $40,000 car through having a vision in the night of the Lord showing me because I needed a car at the time; and I just celebrated that before I got it faith is actually celebrating and getting excited.
Adam: And somebody handed…
Sid: But you got excited because you saw it in a dream you couldn’t have gotten excited.
Adam: So I say that as a word of the Lord now you can get the word of the Lord in dreams and visions. And you know with the Apostle John in Galatians chapter 1 he said “He turned and he saw the voice of God.”
Sid: Well you know we didn’t even get to the visions part but this is all handled in the book “The Divinity Code” and the book “Supernatural Man” (Learn to walk in revelatory realms of heaven and the 2 teaching CD’s….I know that you’ll be back because we’re going to pray for impartation for you Something More coming up.
Its SupernaturalComments Off on Our Guests Adrian Beale & Adam Thompson – Part 1
Sid: Hello Sid Roth with from Something More and I’ve got 2 guests from…so they’re the closest I’ve ever gotten to Australia that’s where they’re from Adam Thompson and Adrian Beale. Adam I found out from by just talking to you for just a very minutes you are very very prophetic but were you prophetic before that car accident?
Adam: No I wasn’t I was a bit of a wild child and I was brought up in a Christian home but I lost my way. I didn’t really know anything about God but I was you know I got caught up in the wrong crowd and I you know was pretty messed up yeah.
Sid: Okay you had this accident tell me about it.
Adam: Well I come home from a party with a friend of mine called John you know I did a stupid thing drink driving. And I was driving home on a cold night in Adelaide, Australia and driving home I was pretty drunk and I was seeing 2 of everything.
Adam: I was in terminology I was a legalist but when I was driving in the car it was so old I was…
Sid: I’ll have to remember that I don’t think I’ll use it but it’s an interesting term I’m pondering legalist. How do you drive like a legalist…oh no never mind go ahead.
Adam: It’s an Aussie terminology, but I was driving and it was a cold night and the windows were foggy so I was trying to drive and clean the windows at the same time which is pretty stupid actually when you are intoxicated. And then all of a sudden these mud flaps of this big truck came and bang just went under a truck and we totally rid of the car and was sort of trying to work out way out of the car. I was so drunk and the truck driver knew that I was intoxicated called the cops and there was a scene of police and it was a real mess. I knew that I was in a lot of trouble, I knew that I probably would be arrested and put in jail. My friend was intoxicated as well but I went off as there was police everywhere and there was a big scene and I went off a little bit on the side and I started praying. And my friend John Peta he said to me “What are you doing?” And I said “I’m praying and I’m asking God to get me out of this and if He does I’m going to commit my life to Him.”
Sid: What was the probability you would get out of this without of this without a problem?
Adam: What was the probability if you…
Sid: You could get out?
Adam: Yeah if I could get out of it I would walk with the Lord and get…
Sid: No if He didn’t get you out what would happen?
Adam: If He didn’t get me out of it I probably would have gotten arrested, probably would have been incarcerated and imprisoned for a short time and then I would have lost my license for about 12 months and I would had that on my record.
Sid: Okay so you prayed and what happened?
Adam: So I prayed and the police officer came to me and wanted me to breath into this breathalyzer to test my breath and I was trying hard to not be drunk trying to act sober. And I blew in this machine and my heart was racing there was an adrenaline and then he went up to the street light to see the machine and it was completely zero, it was completely negative and the police officer said to me your free to go. And I was stunned so that following week on the Sunday I went to church and respond to the altar call and gave my heart to God.
Sid: But I have to ask you just briefly when did you do start having your prophetic gift activated?
Adam: Well I had this encounter in my living room probably about 10 years after my decision for Christ. I became a workaholic and I was a businessman and I had this encounter where the Lord appeared to me in my living room and He asked me and I didn’t really know the scriptures that well back then because I was so you know lukewarm with my faith and coming home late at night everybody was asleep and I was pretty tired. But the Lord appeared to me in the living room and He asked me “What do you want Me to do for you?” Because I was frustrated and I was angry and I was doubting God and He said “What do you want Me to do for you?” And I was speechless at the time but I was thinking about it and I said to the Lord “Give me wisdom, Lord all I want is wisdom.” And I cried out to the Lord for wisdom but what happened was a long story short; I had this encounter and impartation of the Spirit of God I became revived within. And out of this encounter I started to see things, I started to understand people’s dreams; I started to you know to be able to walk along the street and I could see what’s wrong with a person and sometimes I knew their name.
Adam: The cafeteria girl I would know her name and what’s wrong with her life and what’s you know what’s…you know it just came upon me from that impartation that I had when the Lord stood before me in the living room.
Sid: That is fascinating we could talk the whole Something More…
Adam: There’s a lot more to it yes.
Sid: I’m sure. Adrian the brief story of how you come to the Lord.
Adrian: Oh I was like wise in a place of desperation my life had it’s downs and it’s up but I got desperate and I went back to what I knew as God or church and I was memorizing the Nicene Creed. I used to ride a bike to work so I was reasonably fit then I try to maintain that fitness now but I was riding probably…
Sid: You’re doing a whole lot better than me but go ahead.
Adrian: (Laughing) So I would ride to work and I’m the way I was memorizing the Nicene Creed so you know “The very God and the light of lights and so on.” And one time I was riding home where there was just an open fields and basically on the highway just going through these open fields and I heard the audible voice of God say to me “I’m going to lead you to someone that’s going to further your Christian walk.”
Sid: Excuse me did you say audible?
Sid: That means it sounded like me?
Adrian: I looked to my right…
Sid: Had you ever heard the audible voice of God before?
Adrian: Never, but I was so hungry and I think that was the key God responded to my hunger.
Sid: But did God I always have to ask this question, the hunger came from God or did it come from you, was it the chicken or the egg? No, I’m just teasing (Laughing).
Adrian: And the answer is yes.
Sid: I think it all comes from God.
Adrian: Yeah amen I guess He put a desire within me for more of Him, he discovered Himself to me and so then I was hungry. I was trying to find God in a creed and then He said “I’m going to lead you to someone.” So He said “You’re scratching around the surface I’m going to take you deeper. And that person introduced me to a Pentecostal church where as soon as the worship started I was just overcome the presence of God I just knew that I was supposed to be there.
Sid: Speaking of presence of God you two gentlemen realized there has been such an increase the moment you started talking about your visitation it just kept getting stronger and stronger. Does God want to do anything right this moment I mean there’s such a nice presence of God (Laughing) I don’t want to miss anything?
Adam: It is very strong it’s a beautiful thing and we’ll see what the Lord does if He gives me some words of knowledge or maybe Adrian might get something we’ll see what happens.
Sid: Okay so Adrian was this church connected at all with Adam?
Adrian: We actually met there later on so that was in 1985 in 1988 we happened to be going to the same Bible college together so that of course then caused us to meet there. At which time Adam was an artist so prophetic he’s a prophet and he’s also an artist. So we often see the people that are very arty to be prophetic because they’re actually capturing a vision for anything from within.
Adam: He painted a painted for me and I’ll show it to you afterwards of Daniel in the lion’s den which hangs on my lounge room on my living room wall.
Sid: Now we’ll B-roll it when this is play not everyone will see it so describe it.
Adam: It’s a picture of Daniel looking into a light but it seems to streaming down through a narrow opening and lions as if it were sonnets around him moving looking wearily at Daniel.
Adrian: Yeah it’s a prophetic sign. He gave me an image to translate and copy it and just to get some ideas but it is a prophetic sign because we had no idea that we were going to come together 10 years later and we sort of went missing in action after that and we separated and 10 years later God brought us together in a ministry of Dreams and Visions so it’s a prophetic that I did that for him.
Sid: Well in your book here the “Divinity Code” to understanding your dreams and visions. I’ve never heard of a book that is so inclusive. We’re talking about 3000 Metaphor Dictionary; a dictionary on names and places. How did this book evolve?
Adam: Well you know Sid it took us 5 years to put that together.
Sid: I’m sure I don’t know how you did it in even 5 years.
Adam: And there were times in there where we were in the tunnel and still trying to see the light at the end of that tunnel and whether the body of Christ would be in that place or the church would be in that place that they would accept what God was giving us through revelation God was giving us.
Sid: Why wouldn’t they accept it?
Adam: Well, we actually were called heretics for our teaching or the revelation that we were bringing to the body of Christ. We were in a sense this was in 2005 and 2006 and it was yet to be unveiled the body of Christ particularly in Australia. In America you had John Paul Jackson you had some real pioneers that did a lot of work…
Adam: …in this area but the revelation that God was giving us was a burden that we felt like there was…
Sid: It was kind of new for Australia.
Adam: Yes it was very new for Australia and in some respects is conservative particularly the town we come from.
Adrian: Yeah and even though it’s all backed up by scripture it was outside of their box and they really gave us grief but we loved them and we blessed them but it was a hard time. But one of the things that I was going to say really opened up America for that book was a man called “James Watt.” He was the last remaining elder on the latter reign revival and he’s passed away since. He had encounter and he had an encounter in Israel in ’92 I think. And the Lord spoke to him and told him “One of the keys to end-time revival is dreams and visions.” So he was so shaken by this encounter he tried to find the right books he couldn’t find anything that witnessed to him. Now somebody sent the man our book and he was one of the first persons to endorse it and really embrace the whole thing and contact us and we visited in his home and he prayed for us it was a great experience. But he really was that’s what really help us for doors to really open in America for us.
Sid: Adrian why are dreams so important? Because we talked before we started this show and I said “You know one of my greatest liabilities is one of my greatest assets is that I’m a very logical pragmatic type of person.” And the dream business is just too mysterious I mean I can say that it means this and I can genuinely think it but it really means something else and so I just kind of almost ignore it many times I hate to say this but I do.
Adrian: I think that you’re not the only one in that boat I think that many people do that. I think that most people come to us and they say that they had a weird dream last night.
Sid: And so we call it in the states a pizza dream.
Adrian: Yes and so you know that’s a funny thing is that the British Cheese board did a study that said if you eat a certain amount of cheese before you go to bed more people would actually dream.
Sid: Yeah but more people would die too because cheese causes…never mind (Laughing).
Adrian: (Laughing) Well maybe in their sleep. You know as Jesus spoke in parables about the kingdom dreams are a parable it is a narrative which parallels something in the person’s life. And generally that parallels something in the person’s life and generally that parallels something that’s a burden on their heart or something that they’re involved important in their lives could be their lives, it could be their family it could be personally themselves. For a Christian whether God’s on the throne or whether they’re on the throne so God will address those things in a dream or a vision but as a parallel. And as that narrative or that story’s being heard what it does it bypasses our natural defense mechanism and is impartation or an imprint of the images that are there and then gets us intrigued with that and then can go deeper behind that with the Spirit of understanding we can see what lies behind the story that we have heard the story. Does that sort of make sense?
Sid: Oh it makes sense and as a matter of fact we spend half of our life sleeping and if it’s easier and that’s what I’m hearing you say it’s easier for God to talk to me with all of my defenses down for half of my life. And if I’m throwing it out with the dirty bathwater I’m missing a lot!
Adrian: That’s true that is so true yeah. Doesn’t it say in Job 33 that God will speak to a man once or twice through a dream or a vision to change and to move things for him?
Sid: It does say that. Now why are you two together, why did God knit the two of you?
Adrian: There is a chemistry Adam has a particular gift a very powerful prophetic gift I’ve a prophetic teaching gift and so the revelation that God has given Adam I’m able to tie it the scripture. I’m very pragmatic very heady if you like.
Sid: Hmm hm.
Adrian: But what I’d like to say to you is you can catch this in a good way and there is an impartation that takes place and an understanding that takes place that takes you to see things differently. It’s not only for dreams and visions but it also helps when you’re studying scripture because scriptures are narrative with the stories beneath the surface and we miss so much of that particularly in the Old Testament. And I believe that you need both Old and New the news is the window to the kingdom but the window opens with the keys these are the keys of the kingdom from the Old Testament and the scribes got to have both Old and New in the end of Matthew the parables.
Sid: And most Christians just have a Bible without the Old Testament even connected to it.
Adam: That’s right.
Sid: Okay my pragmatic side is coming out now. I read this book and use it the way you intended it to be, I listen to the 2 CD’s in which you mentor us in understanding. I even read the book “The Supernatural Man.” Give me a couple of sentences what is this book about?
Adam: The book is about how to walk like Jesus walked, Jesus is a forerunner for us He came on planet earth to be a forerunner. God is a man and He hand the baton on to us and we can walk in that same realm as a supernatural person. And not as a natural man but as a supernatural man to bring the actual kingdom on earth as it is in heaven. Wherever you walk can be a sign and a wonder rather than having signs and wonders around you the signs and wonders are governed through you.
Sid: Okay I have no doubt when John Paul Jackson was here he could do a masterful job of interpreting dreams.
Sid: I have even thought I’ve just met you to because you already demonstrated this for me I have no doubt that you can interpret my dream or a staff members dreams which you’ve already done. But if I read both books; if I listen to the 2 CD’s what’s going to happen to me when you guys go to Australia?
Adam: Well you will be left with a body of information of understanding that should take you to the next step. This is not a formula and this is not the be it end all to reveal dream interpretation. The key to interpretation is being in tune with the Spirit of God; earlier we were talking about the presence of God here. The presence of God is the kingdom, where the presence is the kingdom is active. That’s where we need more of that. We don’t need a body of knowledge what we need is more of the presence, we do need knowledge but we need the presence of God.
Sid: Okay I have the presence but I need the knowledge (Laughing) what’s going on. So you’re saying forget everyone right now to me…are you saying to me if I digest everything I will be able to not be like a blind man driving the car when it comes to dreams. Is that what you’re saying?
Adrian: I believe so yeah.
Sid: Have you got testimonies of people…just like average people
Adrian: We do.
Sid: that go through this and now all of a sudden the missing link is there and now God’s talking to them and bypassing all of the defenses.
Adrian: Some of the conferences just about every conference we have left saying “Our lives are never the same again.”
Sid: I’ll tell you what let’s hold that thought…we’ll be right back and I want to find out why does God do these symbols and parables and things like that as opposed to just tell me straight would you like to know the answer? Be right back.
Sid: I’m going to tell you something, God is restoring a lot of what the devil has stolen from by tradition and so many things have been stolen. I believe that when Jesus said “You’ll do the same works that I have done and even greater” He means it. I believe that when says “He doesn’t change.” He means that. I believe that when God says “You’ll lay hands on the sick in the name of Jesus and they will recover” He means that. And I am so overwhelmed over a supernatural sign by my guest this week his name is Jim Barbarossa; I him on the telephone I’m speaking to him at his home in Valparaiso, Indiana. And Jim was instructed by God to blow the shofar. The whole atmosphere in his home changes when he does that, in churches the atmosphere changes people are getting healed. The most miracles are happening, but you were telling me that people are getting set free of fear and tell me a few stories of people that have been set free when you blow the rams horn the shofar.
Jim: Well one in particular comes to mind and it actually deals with 3 different people that were all in the same room and were all set free of different things at the same time. And we were actually at Christian Retreat down in Bradenton, Florida and we were teaching on the blowing of the shofar, sharing some of what we talked about. And towards the end of the meeting I shared a scripture out of Joshua 6:20 that talks about the walls of Jericho, in fact I was just going to read that. “So the people shouted when the Priests blew the trumpet, the shofars.”
Sid: And every time that you see trumpet outside of just a small instance it really should be translated shofar. But go ahead.
Jim: Absolutely. “It came to past when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, the shofar and the people shouted with a great shout that the wall feel down flat so that the people went up to the city every man straight before him and He took the city.” And I believe this whole thing is about obedience doing what God has instructed us to do the work you got to do and the walls of Jericho came down because the people obeyed God they did what He said to do. It probably didn’t make a whole lot of sense to march around the walls with shofars and to leave out a mighty shout. But when I look at those walls of Jericho I also the walls that people have in their lives today; walls of fear, walls of depression, walls of inferiority, sickness, disease. And I believe that when we’re obedient to the ordinance and we blow the trumpet we sound that shofar God moves in peoples lives and on their behalf. And towards the end of the evening at this particular church as we taught from Joshua on the walls of Jericho I just had everybody stand and I said “I want you to take authority over those things in your life that has you bound.” And I named a list of different things and part of that list were depression, procrastination, fear and inferiority and about 20 other things. And I said “If you’re battling with any of those things I want you to take authority over them right now in the name of Jesus and I want you as I sound the trumpet and let out a mighty shout and I believe that God is going to bring the walls down and that those walls are going to be totally obliterated, totally gone from your life.” And as we did that and the trumpet was sounded a roar went across the room.
Sid: Excuse me what do you mean by a roar?
Jim: A loud, just the shout of the people filled the house and you could feel and sense the presence of God so strong in the house. Again I didn’t see anything; nothing happened that I could see with my eyes but the next morning I had 3 people come to me. The first one that came to me said that “They had been battling with depression for many years and they were just about to get up and walk out of the meeting and they had driven 7 hours to be there; and they were ready to get up and I mentioned depression and that you would be set free of depression.” And the shout went up and the trumpet was sounded and that person was totally set free from depression that night. And then I heard from another person who had been suffering with procrastination that’s simply disobeying and not doing what God says to do when He says to do it putting it off till later. And this person had been a Christian for years and years but so many times God would instruct them to do something they would just not get around to do it put it on the back burner so to speak. Well they told me that night they got totally set free from procrastination when I mentioned it and called it out and the trumpet was sounded and they were set free and that very morning went and did 3 things that God had been telling them to do for some time and got all 3 or them done and that spirit totally lifted off of them. And then the 3rd one was a man who had suffered from inferiority almost all of his life and he was in his 40’s and he described something to me that was just totally awesome. He said “Jim as the shout went up and the trumpet was sounded I saw something and I want to tell you what I saw.” He said “You know I’ve had inferiority all of my life and what I saw was there was these giant walls and these giant walls were being sucked down into the quicksand and as they were going under the quicksand,” he said “I saw a giant hand and I believe this to be the hand of God and the walls are now down under the quicksand you can’t see them and the hand of God.” And then he stopped there and he said “You have to understand I pour concrete for a living and I believe God talks to me in a language that I can understand.” He said “But I saw this giant hand and it was filled with concrete, the hand tilted and the concrete came out and it covered the quicksand.” And I said “Brother what is that telling you?” He said “ God not only took it away but he covered and it ain’t coming back no more.” He said “I’m free and I’m going to stay free.”
Sid: Free of what?
Jim: Free of inferiority. He said “It totally left him.”
Sid: But you know a lot of people don’t realize that these are… it talks in the Bible about a spirit of fear, these are spirit and somehow there’s I guess an anointing on the breath when you blow that shofar that drives the devil crazy.
Jim: Yes it does totally confused, has to flee has to leave. And the awesome part about this is one of the things the Lord showed me through this is we’ve very often get free for a little bit of time but we don’t stay free. And when the hand of God poured that concrete over the quicksand that was saying to me we can stay free in Christ Jesus. We don’t have to let these things come back but we can be set free supernaturally by God and we can stay free.
Sid: Give me some insights just a few and you have a book of them because you studied this subject on the shofar; give me some insights that would be helpful about the shofar.
Jim: Well in the scripture of course is mentioned many times and you can look in Revelations and find that angels blow the shofar. You can look in…
Sid: Well angels blow the shofar I’m wondering if you blow the shofar angels might show up.
Jim: They may be dispatched I’ve I had people tell me they’ve been in church after a meeting where the shofar was sounded and heard shofars on the outside and around the building.
Sid: I’ve had people tell me that also. Do you find that when you blow the shofar because as you explained it’s almost like ancient prophets prophesying when you blow the shofar that the gift of prophecy gets released?
Jim: Well, I see that many times.
Sid: Tell me one.
Jim: I have seen the shofar sounded in a quiet hush just come. And I’ve seen the gift of prophecy the prophetic just come forth where God would speak to His people. And I’ve seen this many times the gift is just kind of released in the house. That which is like the voice of God is released and people start prophesy and God will speak through.
Sid: Explain to our Mishpochah about why you believe that the shofar is like the ancient prophets speaking.
Jim: Well the prophets were to be the voice of God and the scripture says “The voice of God is like that of a sound of the trumpet.” And God speaks, His voice is released, the powers released, the supernatural’s released.
Sid: Teach a little more on the shofar.
Jim: Well one of the scriptures that really fascinates me is Exodus 19:16 and it says “And it came to pass on the 3rd day in the morning that were thunders and lightnings in the thick cloud upon the mouth and the voice of the trumpet exceedingly loud so that all of the people that was in the camp trembled. And Moses brought the people out of the camp to meet with God and they stood at the nether part of the mouth and Mount Sinai was altogether on a smoke because the Lord descended upon it in fire and the smoke therefore ascended as the smoke of a furnace and the whole mouth quaked greatly. And when the voice of the trumpet sounded long and waxed louder and louder Moses spoke and God answered him by voice.” So God blew the shofar for the very first time on Mt. Sinai and the thing that really intrigues me about that is that it says “And the voice of the trumpet was sounded long and waxed louder and louder and Moses spoke and God answered him.” So today I believe that the voice of the trumpet under God’s directive is sounded louder and louder. We speak to God we can expect an answer from God.
Sid: Now on tomorrow’s broadcast I’m going to have you blow the shofar; what might people be expecting to happen when you blow the shofar?
Jim: Everything imaginable whatever their need would be that God could meet that need and would meet that need.
Sid: There is a scripture that I’ve been thinking about it says “The Word of the Lord will go out from Zion.” Now people think that what that means is when the Messiah returns the word of the Lord will come out from Zion. But more and more I am being convicted by the Ruach Hakodesh, the Spirit of the living God, that there is one more time the word… well we know 2000 years ago the word of the Lord went out from Zion and affected the whole world. But I believe that we’re ready for one more time before the Messiah returns the word of the Lord will go out with fiery young Jewish evangelists from Israel. Now this is what I’m convicted of. So I said to myself “Self who can I talk to that really has a handle on what’s going on in Israel right now?” And the obvious answer was a friend of mine that’s been in Israel since 1967. She was on the front page of the Los Angeles Times, Time Magazine, papers all over the world back in 1973. And I have her on the telephone I’m speaking to her from her office in Tel Aviv Israel Shira Sorko-Ram. Shira shalom.
Shira: Shalom shalom.
Sid: Bring our audience up to date as to why you made headlines all over the world?
Shira: Well at that time the orthodox, the rabbinic orthodox of Israel, were quite a bit more powerful than they are today. And so they had heard that I was a believer in Yeshua the Messiah, Yeshua Hamashiach and they put it in their papers hoping to I don’t know what run me out of town or whatever. So one of their hot heads then came and put a Molotov cocktail at my door on the 3rd floor hard neck and it set the whole place on fire. Fortunately the police and the fire department came within a couple of minute. And it happened that a journalist passed by just at that moment. And so he ran upstairs after they put the fire out and he said “What’s going on here?” And I said well I think it’s because of who I believe in. And he said “Well who do you believe in?” And I said “I believe in God and I believe that His Son is Yeshua the Messiah; and through Yeshua I have come to know God.” And so the next day in Israel’s largest newspaper on the back page it said my name and it said “She said she knows God.” So from that it went all over, actually the world. I had reporters, I had actors and actresses and I had actually Yeshiva students from the Hebrew University, I had military people coming and asking me what I really believe, “Why would somebody put a Molotov cocktail in my house?” So I had great opportunities to witness. The only thing was back in 1973 there were so few Jewish believers in Israel that there was no way to follow up on the interest.
Sid: Approximately how many would you say back then?
Shira: Back then that could speak Hebrew in Israel?
Shira: Oh my if maybe maybe there might be 100 but today in Israel how many Messianic Jewish synagogues are there? Oh, maybe 100 different groups, home groups, and congregations of various size. Anywhere from let’s say 20 people to there’s a couple of them that are with Russian immigrants that are like 300 something like that.
Sid: Is there such a thing as approximation of how many Jewish believers there are in the land of Israel today?
Shira: You know there’s really no way to know, we’ve always used this figure I think for the last many years we’ve said about 7000 but we know that they’re growing…
Sid: Russian congregations are they’re spring up all over the place now.
Shira: Yeah, so maybe it’s in the direction of 10,000 at this point believers but that’s believers. That’s including Russian, Ethiopian, those from the west speak English. But Hebrew speakers they’re might be something like a 1000 Hebrew speaking Israeli born again believers.
Sid: Hm. For those that are not familiar with Shira I’ll give you a bit of her background. Her father Gordon Lindsey started Christ for the Nations Bible College in Dallas, Texas. The reason that many people are familiar with the name Gordon Lindsey isn’t even because of Christ for the Nations but because he was the one that chronicled the great healing revivalists such as William Branham who happens to be one of my favorites. And Shira you provoke me to jealousy because as a child you got to know these great men and women of God. Did you actually see the miracles taking place with your very eyes under the Branham ministry?
Shira: I most certainly did I sat in William Branham’s meetings many many days and nights and I can tell you that that those services had everybody riveted on the edge of their seats because he head such an amazing gift of knowledge. He would have a line of people… actually my father would be standing at the bottom of the stage stairway and because there were so many people that wanted to be prayed for they always had to have a card to fill out and those who came according to the number then they could come otherwise it was just a mob scene. And on this card would be what they’re disease was. Now my father was a very exact man to him integrity was at the top of the list. So I remember him telling me that when Branham would tell a person through the gift of knowledge what was wrong with them and many things about their family, where they live, all kinds of things.
Sid: Would he actually know their names?
Shira: He would know their names, he would often know their doctors names.
Shira: He would tell them where they lived, the address where they lived. But you see this was not like a witch telling you a bunch of fortune stuff. There was a heavy anointing of the Holy Spirit which was bringing these people both into conviction and also into a strong faith. Because when they would hear that Branham through the gift of knowledge knew so much about them it raised their faith level to say “Well if God knows this about me then He is able to heal me.” And because of this remarkable gift I saw many many people come into receive their healing instantaneously.
Sid: Was there any one a close second to Branham as far as percentage of people miraculously healed or was he in a class all by himself?
Shira: Well Kathryn Kuhlman had a very great healing ministry. She didn’t have the gift of wisdom to be or the gift of knowledge to the extent that he did. I have not seen anything that worked so perfectly. Now I want to say this, someone asked me the other day why did God not give these gifts to more people? And I really want to answer that.
Shira: Branham was one of the most humble men on the face of the earth. I as a child remember sitting under many different healing evangelists and some of them I don’t know there’s a certain perception a child can see a hypocrite if there’s one can see pride. But Braham was a genuine humble person but because of his incredible gift people looked to him like a god almost. I remember my father telling me that one time in a town somewhere they found out where Branham was staying in a hotel. When my father got there there was a line up to his room down the stairs, out the door and around the corner of the street. And he would take each one and try to talk to them but he was a small man and not very strong. So he would usually just collapse after talking to so many people. And so but because of this he had a lot of he began to have a lot of hanger on-ers people that were his yes man. He didn’t have people that he could listen to.
Sid: Was that the reason his teaching got off towards the end?
Shira: Absolutely, absolutely I know that my father who was so very close to him tried to get to him near the end of his life and he couldn’t even get to him.
Sid: Shira our time is slipping away today but this is what I believe I believe that ministries like Branham, Kathryn Kuhlman I’ve observed the best. I mean I’ve been studying the healing ministry for the past 25+ years. I have not seen the gifting that I saw in Kuhlman, I did not see it in Branham but I saw videos of Branham. I believe that they’re about ready to start and my conviction they’re ready to start in Israel. What do you feel about that?
Shira: Well we’re ready. I heard about a book the other day that I want to get that that they were only having a regular prayer meeting and they were only there because they were committed to be there and all of a sudden the fire of God came. Now we have that, we have prayer meetings every week, we’re there we’re praying. We’re expecting the prophecies in the Bible to come to past for us.
Sid: Is there something different in the air right now in Israel as far as evangelism?
Shira: Most certainly, most certainly.
Sid: Mishpochah I tell you this is the set time to favor Zion; this is a time that God is once again having mercy on His chosen people.