Our Guests Adam Thompson and Adrian Beale – Part 2
Sid: Hello Sid Roth with Something More Adrian Beale and Adam Thompson. I asked a question before we went to break and that is why isn’t God as pragmatic as me, if he tells me go to the moon I don’t know how to do it I would go to the moon that’s only astute but why does he have to put it in these codes and these metaphors?
Adam: How frustrating.
Sid: Yeah can you hear it in my voice (Laughing).
Adam: (Laughing) just slightly the 1st Corinthians chapter 2 verse 13 says that “The Spirit of God teaches comparing spiritual things with spiritual.” And so our understanding of scripture helps us or it becomes the lens through which we look at what God is saying. And so all of that time that we’ve spent in the word is not wasted it becomes the body of knowledge that God then uses to fill out the picture of what He is saying to us so that He is always speaking to believers and believers then should be able to…
Sid: If I was God I’d by pass that whole thing (Laughing).
Adam: (Laughing).
Sid: I’m just telling you (Laughing) I would.
Adam: Doesn’t it make it much more interesting what if the kingdom were in such a dimension that we couldn’t understand it? So what He does he puts it into a story for us so that we can then grab a hold of that story and envision that story. Images we hold images quicker than we do words but as natural because we’re visual more visual. And so we hold that imagery for a longer time. It’s really important then when you do have a dream that you write it down or otherwise it escapes you after a period of time.
Sid: I’ve notices that myself and I have a little pad now that I start writing them down and then it doesn’t escape me.
Adam: We advocate that and sometimes we find now that you can get an app that you can just record your dreams so you can just speak into it so you don’t have to fumble in the dark to do it. And we sometimes we have pens that light up in the dark so they can write the dream down without waking their partner or their spouse up.
Sid: Can you shed some more light for me as to why God is doing this way verses the pragmatic way?
Adam: Well I believe that God that He wants seekers He wants people to seek Him out and to search Him and to have communion with Him. And you know I believe God puts it in parables so we can search out the mystery so we can see it and it helps to seek Him out. I believe that you know if we don’t understand the parable and a lot of people don’t initially there’s a sign there that we’re not really understanding we’re not understanding the language of heaven it’s like a language. So as we grow into this language alright, it says in Hebrews 6 we move on from the elementary teachings of Christ and we go into maturity and God wants us to mature to understand the language heaven you see. When I shared earlier about the…
Sid: It’s be pretty bad and we get to heaven and we can’t speak.
Adam: That’s exactly right and you know it’s a wisdom that comes from above and remember early on I asked the Lord for wisdom.
Sid: Yes.
Adam: Well I had that encounter but it’s for everybody it’s not just for me as a guru. Jesus made a comment He said “There’s one greater than Solomon here” he mentioned this as he’s talked about the Queen of the south coming. And He talked about Solomon and He said “There’s one greater than Solomon here” and He’s talking about Himself about that one greater than Solomon could be activated inside of us which is Christ. And give such revelation to be able to commune with the Father. And that’s what I believe it’s about He wants us to search it out. It says in Proverbs “It’s the glory of God to conceal a matter but it’s the glory of kings to search it out.” So He wants seekers he wants us to knock and the door will be open; He wants us to seek and find and knock on the door and the door will be open. And He is there at the door and Jesus is the door by the way so.
Sid: So Adrian, for someone like…you’re like me from what you’ve told you didn’t it frustrate you when you first started in this area?
Adrian: Initially Adam had a gift and I used to go to him with dreams, my dreams and other’s dreams.
Sid: So see and I don’t want to do that I want to know it for myself.
Adrian: But the good news is now that I’m interpreting dreams and I’m teaching other people to interpret them which means that each catchable, it’s doable…
Sid: Good.
Adrian: …it’s doable it’s impartible. You know one…
Sid: Impartible do you mean that you could pray and people watching would get an impartation to understand their dreams better is that what you’re saying?
Adrian: Yes.
Sid: I like that but you see we’re a McDonald’s generation, instant (Laughing).
Adrian. But Adam also in that Hebrews passage that Adam was talking about yesterday that Yeshua was the coming one and so on it also says that “By practice you increase your discernment.” And so will pray certainly in this segment and will impart the Spirit of understanding so that the people can start to see beyond the narrative of the dream, or the vision or the scripture to see what lies beneath it. So we’re not just looking at the spaghetti western but we’re actually looking into the stories and seeing what is behind them.
Sid: What about and I know this is kind of left field but the question’s coming to me, what about getting a dream from the demonic how do you know the difference?
Adrian: You know well there are basically 3 sources to our dreams we all know God dreams and we label them as such. Now the devil does have this capacity so when Jesus was in the wilderness He was led up on the mount and He was shown all of the kingdoms of the world. Well it didn’t all exist together and there wouldn’t be a place physically that you could go if you went to Everest you would see all of the kingdoms of the world. And so we know the devil has this capacity. When we’re looking for demonic influence or when we’re picking up a demonic influence in a dream interpretation. We go “What’s the door for that to come in?” Alright so the Bible says in Ephesian’s don’t give any foothold or any ground for the enemy to come in. Normally there’s been a trauma there’s been un-forgiveness or some sort of holding some person to a debt. You know so what I say to people is this if you are checking yourself and you are getting a repeat dream that particularly tormenting you then I would say to them I would just ask them this question “If all of the fields were down and there was no restriction would you like an apology from that person?” And if they say “Yes” then what that shows is that they’re hearts are still holding a person owing a debt to them and they need to release them. It says in Matthew 18 from their heart or other words they’ve been given over to torment. There also the other thing is there are 3 sources to our dreams God dreams, the devil can come into our dreams, and our own heart flavors our dreams. Ezekiel 14 says “If a man comes to me or comes to the prophet and is seeking guidance I the Lord will answer according to the idol in his heart.”
Sid: Oh well that’s pretty profound.
Adrian: Which means when we do come to God we’ve got to be heart-full or mindful of where our heart is at. And so we need to remove the idol but what’s the idol so if God’s there and I had an idol and I’m saying “Yes that’s the person I need to marry or that’s the car I’m going to buy or that’s the job that You’ve got for me and I’m set on that God will answer me according to that.”
Sid: Hmm, that’ a little scary.
Adrian: It is scary it is scary.
Sid: So what is the very first thing we should do we have the dream you’ve already told me, I’ve got a little pad next to my bed and I write my dream down and then I try to get back to sleep. Then I wake up in the morning what’s the very next thing that I should do?
Adam: Should ask the Holy Spirit say “Holy Spirit give me insight show me what are you expressing here what are you trying to tell me.” And it’s best to look at the whole overall dream first and as I dream I was saying earlier in the day context was the actual key. So you look at the whole context you know the book that you’re talking earlier about “The Divinity Code” about doesn’t interpret your dreams it’s the Holy Spirit can express it so you always ask the Holy Spirit. And also it’s also good to share it with other people too your dreams people who are mentoring you or…and ask them what they think as well and they might confirm what the Holy Spirit is saying. So I would it’s sort of like interpreting a dream is like hay you see these little children books where it’s called “Join the dots.”
Sid: Yes, connect the dots.
Adam: When you actually have all of the metaphors come together and when you ask the Holy Spirit to bring the metaphors together you start to see the picture come in place.
Sid: That has to be a very exciting rewarding moment when that happens.
Adam: It is yeah and you start to get the revelation you go “Wow God is speaking to me!” whether it’s a warning or it’s a promises of heaven to be revealed to you or it is deliverance for your family or healing for your family. And it’s not just the dream we can activate it and see it manifest on earth and that’s what we see we see the actual dream become substance through healings, miracles, we’ve seen so many things happen with dreams and visions…
Sid: Give me just one that comes to mind and what happened; well whet my appetite so that I’ll really be happy about writing down these parables and codes.
Adam: I think well there is many of them but the one that comes to my mind is the one with the lady in Cambria with the child do you want to share that?
Adrian: This is not a dream that we had but somebody bought the book and 6 months to a year later they…what happened was they had a dream that there was somebody in… they dreamt that they were on the bed they woke up and there was a gynecologist on the end of the bed from when they had children. And the gynecologist said to her “What does this person mean to you?” And the person that had the dream happened to be a care worker and that person’s name was one of her old clients and it meant that she had to drive to the other side of the city to go and visit that client. Now the name of the client, the name of the client and then the name of the suburb that that person lived in was the daughter’s surname.
Sid: Hmm.
Adrian: So she put 2 and 2 together she said “Gynecologist and my daughter” my daughters pregnant so she rang her up and she asked her whether she was pregnant and her daughter denied it. So she tried the next trick and that was to ring up her son-in-law and she said “Congratulations I understand that so and so’s pregnant.
Sid: That woman’s got chutzpa that’s Hebrew word means nerve boldness.
Adrian: (Laughing) She did and he denied it but that night her daughter rang up saying “You and God have undone me I’m booked for an abortion tomorrow and you’ve undone my plans.”
Sid: Wow, wow.
Adrian: Isn’t that incredible.
Sid: That is wonderful.
Adam: We have so many testimonies like that it’s just…we wouldn’t be doing this if it wasn’t testimonies…
Sid: You know again I see how necessary it is…what do you do to someone who says “I never dream?”
Adam: Well probably smack them around a bit (Laughing).
Sid: No, no, no we don’t do that “You’ll know my disciple’s by their love.”
Adrian: Exactly I’m teasing I’m kidding.
Sid: (Laughing).
Adrian: Some people do that and you pray and say “Stop this I don’t like what I’m receiving in the night” because sometimes it’s what they’ve actually confessed with their mouth.
Sid: Because it’s almost a curse because if you’re blocking God speaking to you to me that’s a curse.
Adam: Yes, it is, it is. And when you realize that God wants to speak to you everyday you know in a poetic language this is one of the reasons why it is a parable why it does come in metaphors because if you know the scriptures 1/3 of the scripture in in poetry. So in our ragged Bibles everywhere you see that ragged edge so we know Job to Song of Songs is poetry but did you know that the prophets are poetry too because of all of that ragged edge so it’s not in pros it’s actually in poetry.
Sid: Hmm.
Adrian: So the Bibles poetry and it’s the language of love as we would realize in the secular world if you’re speaking to your love one you might use a bit of poetry because it envisages, it brings about a picture to mind. And so wouldn’t God a God in the kingdom speak to us with images from that love. And so that is another reason why He uses poetry.
Adam: Yeah and with people that don’t and who can’t dream when we do the conferences and some people say “I don’t dream can you pray for me?” We actually impart and Paul says in Romans the Apostle Paul, says that “How long can I impart my gift into you?” And so there is an impartation of this and we have people contact us and say “I can’t stop dreaming and I never dreamed and now I just can’t stop dreaming what have you done to me.” And when Adrian was joking around about slapping around we actually do lay hands on people but in a nice way we impart, we impart the gifting.
Sid: Can you impart as effectively because people you can’t lay hands on people that are watching.
Adam: No.
Sid: Or listening to us on radio can you impart with the spoken word?
Adam: We can if someone can touch the screen or touch their iPhone or whatever it is we can pray and decree we believe that that can happen God can do anything.
Sid: Well then we come back with Something More I would like you to impart 2 things. I want you to impart so that people that don’t dream will start dreaming, and I went you to impart revelation of dreams. And I’m almost you know I read this in the notes that what you want to impart is so important for us to not miss this that we need to hunger I mean… I have to tell you just talking to you guys I can’t wait to go to sleep. (Laughing) I’m teasing but no I’m serious I can’t wait to go to sleep I want to dream I want to hear from God.
Adrian: Yeah.
Sid: With all of these defenses gone. Tell me things that God does in dreams you said warnings, what else?
Adam: He can show you the promises of God. He can show you what He has for you because we’re His children and we’re heirs to God in His kingdom. And one case with a vision of God because visions are pretty much a dream when you are awake. We can probably talk about that later. I actually a got a brand new $40,000 car through having a vision in the night of the Lord showing me because I needed a car at the time; and I just celebrated that before I got it faith is actually celebrating and getting excited.
Sid: Right.
Adam: And somebody handed…
Sid: But you got excited because you saw it in a dream you couldn’t have gotten excited.
Adam: So I say that as a word of the Lord now you can get the word of the Lord in dreams and visions. And you know with the Apostle John in Galatians chapter 1 he said “He turned and he saw the voice of God.”
Sid: Well you know we didn’t even get to the visions part but this is all handled in the book “The Divinity Code” and the book “Supernatural Man” (Learn to walk in revelatory realms of heaven and the 2 teaching CD’s….I know that you’ll be back because we’re going to pray for impartation for you Something More coming up.
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