SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest, Hank Kunneman, Hank knows things that are going to happen in the future. And one of the things I like to do about prophets is to find out what they have said in the past and whether it’s come to pass. Now God talked to you about the U.S. presidential election of Bush and Gore. What did he tell you?

HANK: Well one of the things, back in 1999, it was during the summer months and even into the fall, the Lord actually gave a vision when I was ministering in some conferences, and He showed me that a hand was coming out of the earth, was trying to raise up Al Gore from the earth, Sid. But then, a shaft of light came down and hit that hand and the word of the Lord was that Al Gore would not be president. And of course, that day we know what happened when they announced it first on Election Day, it looked like completely opposite. But then there was a hand–

SID: All right. You must have been pretty nervous there watching on Election Day.

HANK: Sure. Well you have your integrity on the line and many people heard what the Lord was saying during that election, and that Al Gore would not be the president, but instead, that the Lord was placing President Bush over the White House to be president. And of course, that’s what happened. Let me just say it this way. You know, God always wants to speak to a generation and He always wants to let people know what is taking place. You know that there is a scripture that says, “Disasters upon disasters, rumors upon rumors, then they’re going to seek a vision from the prophet.” And God wants to speak His secrets and share them in the earth in this day, today. And so politically, for example, we shouldn’t be surprised. God spoke to kings in the Old Testament. There was always those that sought for the word of the Lord. You know, I was in a meeting one time and all of a sudden, Sid, they ushered me in the back and I was looking, and I could see security all around me. And I thought, “What am I doing? Now this must be a pretty important person for all this security.” And all of a sudden they said, “We want you to minister to this man.” And they didn’t tell me anything about him. They said, “We want you to minister to this man.” And he stood there with his suit on and he looked very polished, and I knew that he was someone of very powerful prominence. All of a sudden I laid my hand upon him and the Lord, when He speaks, He’ll speak to you, sometimes you’ll hear something, sometimes you’ll see something, sometimes you’ll say something. The moment I touched him, all of a sudden I began to see his desk and I began to declare over his life that he was the leader of a nation. In fact, he was a president over this particular nation. And the Lord began to describe to him six things that was on his desk that he was getting ready to make decisions for his nation, and he was really struggling with are these the right decisions? Are these the right things that I should really make into law or bring before the nation? Not only did God reveal six things about his nation and decisions, but the Lord began to deal with him about his life. After I was done tears were coming down his face. And do you know what he said?

SID: What’s that?

HANK: He said, “I have sought psychics. I have sought those in the occult. I’ve sought priests and different ones in the ministry.” But he said, “Young man, when you speak to me you’ve told me things that nobody else knows and you make my bones rattle.” So that’s a case of someone just recently, as well as in the one in 1999.

SID: But you know, going back a little bit, when you were a new believer in the Messiah you had a visitation from an angel and literally were set up to be able to speak to people in high places. Explain that.

HANK: That’s right. Well first of all I didn’t have any pizza, so I knew it wasn’t a pizza dream, you know, like they always say that. I believe that God will minister the supernatural if you keep things simple, if your heart is pure, if your heart is right especially. And I was just praying, and all of a sudden what took place is I saw an angel walk into my room and I was praying on my bed. And the next thing I know he grabbed my hand and lifted me up, and I was carried away into a vision. I wasn’t afraid. It wasn’t like that. It was more of a fear and I knew that God was up to something. And I was carried what felt like I was moving very fast and I was moving what seemed like through what we would call space or something like that. And I came down on a platform, Sid, and there was another angel to meet me, and he had a scroll in his hand. And at that moment he told me to eat the scroll and then he said to me, Sid, “Now look.” And I looked down and it was the most incredible thing that I saw. I saw people as far as my eyes could see, and there were the tongues and tribes of many nations. And the angel of the Lord said, “God has anointed you to be a prophet, to be a spokesman to the nations to reveal the heart of the Father, to reveal the secrets to mankind.” And that’s really when it started after that moment. The Lord began to deal with me over nations, politically, End Time events. I’ve ministered to different people that had been heads of state, different leaders.

SID: Take that man you were telling us about. Was he the president of a country?

HANK: Yes. He was the president of a particular country, yeah. And he was seeking the supernatural. See, this is what people don’t realize. You know, never get discouraged about your leader because God wants to speak to them, and if we pray just like in the days. My wife has been saying it a lot lately is God is getting ready to visit people, especially in the political realm.

SID: Okay, what is God showing you about President Obama?

HANK: Well one of the things that I think is very important, and there was a sign given to this nation, in December of 2008 into 2009, every conference I was going I felt like the weatherman. But we shouldn’t be surprised that in the spirit we should have a pulse. We should have an understanding of what God is saying. Elijah dealt with the rain, for example, in scripture. The Lord kept saying, “Prophesy about 2009 into 2010 a decade.” Not just a new year, 2010, but a decade. God said, “It would mark blizzards would a sign unto the United States that I’m cleansing the nation because of sin and because I’m gonna open a window over the nation and give them an opportunity that is very, very unique.” And so of course, if you remember what’s happened is they reported all over the news, some say 50 states at the same time, including Hawaii, the volcanoes, had a touch of snow on them. Others are saying 49 out of 50 states at the same time had a touch of snow. Snow is very interesting because, for example, in scripture–

SID: Let me, actually, before you even get to the snow, tell me what it’s like hear things for a nation, proclaim it publicly and then see it happen?

HANK: Well it’s a big responsibility, because I’ve had times where I’ve proclaimed something over a nation and it didn’t even look like it was gonna happen, and it looked like the very opposite of what I said. So you feel a responsibility because, especially when you speak to a head of state.

SID: But when it was the opposite did it eventually come to pass?

HANK: Yes, it eventually did come to pass.

SID: I mean, I have looked at a number of these prophecies, but the thing that God showed Hank about snow is just so amazing. Don’t go away. Be right back after this word.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Joan Pearce. No one should have to go through what Joan was going through, but she found herself at a Full Gospel Businessmen’s meeting and she thought all those people were crazy. She ran out to the car just to get out of there and her neighbor was smart. She said, “Joan, I need to be prayed for. I’m going to go back.” So did you go back with her?

JOAN: Yes, I went back with her so she could be prayed for because I didn’t want them to be praying for me at all.

SID: Right.

JOAN: And she takes me right up to the evangelist and she said, “She needs prayer.” And I went oh no, I’ve been tricked. And so when the evangelist went to pray for me, he started praying for me and I felt sick, and all of a sudden, anyway to make a long story short, he commanded an evil spirit to come out of me, and I felt something leave me, I literally felt something come out of my body and come out of me. And he shared a little bit of Jesus with me, but he didn’t get me saved. But that night I had an awesome encounter, and in that encounter Jesus came to me and my room became brighter than the sun, and Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth and the light. You need me.” And I woke up from this encounter.

SID: Joan, what did Jesus look like?

JOAN: He just glowed. He radiated love. There is no way, to the viewers there is no way to explain the experience I had. All I can say is Jesus is so beautiful, and when you see Jesus all you feel is love. And you’ve got to remember I was raised in a family with no love, and the love overwhelmed me in such a way that I passed out. I don’t how to explain this but I literally when I saw Jesus passed out and then my room became brighter than the sun and I just collapsed. And when I woke up in the morning I was having my coffee, I started thinking, as I was drinking my coffee I was thinking I’m going to be Mormon any day because I was going to be baptized Mormon that weekend, that’s how, cut it real close there. And as I was looking at my coffee cup, the Lord showed me a vision, open vision, I had never had an open vision before, I saw the heavens open up, and I saw a vision of everyone that ever witnessed to me in my life. I saw somebody saying to me when I was four, “Jesus loves you.” And other people I saw, it was like a flash, I saw everything. And all of a sudden I saw that this evil spirit came out of me and

I ran to my room and I saw that, I called on the name of Jesus I ran into my room, dropped on my knees, right in my own house and threw my hands up in the air and I said,

“Jesus you’re real, you’re real, you’re real. I’ll live for you, I’ll die for you, I’ll serve you, I’ll do what ever you ask me to do. Jesus help me. Come into my life.” And I’ve never been the same. I’ve been telling people about Jesus ever since.

SID: So the whole deal isn’t religion; the whole deal is knowing Jesus.

JOAN: Jesus.

SID: Okay, you started a Bible study. Problem. You didn’t know how to read.

JOAN: Right.

SID: So what happened?

JOAN: I didn’t know how to read. God told me to start a Bible study in my house and I said, “Well I don’t know how to read Lord.” And everybody laughed at me too, because I actually wrote two books before I could even read and people discouraged me of that. But how many people can write two books before they could read, it’s unheard of. Only God. People say who wrote those books. I say, I didn’t, the Holy Spirit wrote them. But I’m doing a Bible study, and I’m getting ready to do a Bible study, and all I want to say to all the viewers, just hear God and obey. That’s the answer to everything in our life. I heard God say do a Bible study and I said I don’t know how to read. He said, “Just obey me Joan.” So I went out and invited neighbors, I said, “Who do I invite? He said, “Invite the Mormons, the Jehovah Witnesses, the Christian Science,” He said, “You invite everybody that, everybody, it’s not denominations. So I went out and invited people in my neighborhood and they laughed at me but that’s okay. And I knocked on one of the doors and one of the doors I knocked on I said, “I’m doing a Bible Study at my house, would you like to come?” And she said, “Come in honey.” And she took me under her wing and said yes you can do it even if you don’t know how to read. And her name was Gertrude Wright, which was John G. Lake’s daughter. And so John G. Lake’s daughter lived right in my neighborhood, came to my Bible study, and I couldn’t read, and a bunch of ladies laid hands on my head and said, “God supernaturally teach her to read.” And for the first time ever in my life Sid, I wanted to read. You see, my step dad made it so I hated reading cause he used to beat me, right. And he abused me so in my heart I said I’m never learning to read, I’ll fix you; which was anger.

SID: So how did you learn to read? They prayed for you but how did you learn?

JOAN: My Father in heaven said, “I’m going to teach you to read, if you will read.” God said, “If you will read from Genesis to Revelation in one year, I will put you in fulltime ministry. And I’m going like “I don’t know how to read.” And the Lord said, “Read Genesis to Revelation in one year.” And I opened the Book the day after they praised, and all of a sudden I knew what every word was. I just, no man taught me to read. God, supernaturally, in a twinkling of an eye, one minute I couldn’t read, one minute I could.

SID: In the twinkling of an eye, how in the world did you get a two million dollar business?

JOAN: Oh in the twinkling of an eye after I got saved you know from that experience at the Full Gospel Men’s meeting. I was so overwhelmed with my love for Jesus that I went to the Full Gospel Men’s meeting every month and I endorsed my paycheck. I didn’t know about tithing. I got a check on the first and a check on the fifteenth so I just took my paycheck, signed my name off, dropped it in, not knowing when you give to God, He blesses. All of a sudden, in a month it went to another, it just went like from here to top in the nation, and within six months God spoke to me again, I just learned to hear God. In a prayer meeting God said, “You will own your own business before this week’s up.” And that was on a Monday. Friday afternoon to Salt Lake City, and the president of the United States of this business, and the worldwide president of this business said to me, they called me into this special meeting and they go, “What have you been working for and what do you want more than anything in the world?” They are looking at me and of course I have just accepted Jesus and I said, “that everybody knows Jesus.” And they say, “Okay, that’s good, but what do you want second?” I said, “There’s no second to Jesus.” And they go, “Okay down to earth Joan. What have you been working for in this company for for eight years?” And I said, “Oh to own my own business.” And they said, “We have a franchise for you. There’s only two openings a year and you have to be the top in the nation to get these franchisees.” They said, “We have an opening for you and we want you to go up and check it out.” And I just looked at them and I smiled and I said I don’t have to. And they go why? And I said, Are you planning on giving any other openings between now and Sunday?” And they go no. And I says, “God told me on Monday and I’ve already told my children we’re moving, I’ve already told my mom I’m moving and everybody said where are you moving to, and I said I don’t know but God told me before the week is out I will own my own company and you are offering me a company on Friday and God told me on.”

SID: Yeah, but you didn’t have the money for this company.

JOAN: I know.

SID: How did you get the money?

JOAN: I told them that, I said, they said, “We need two hundred and fifty thousand for this and one hundred and eighteen thousand, anyway it was four hundred and fifty thousand all together.” And I just looked at these guys and said I have no money. And they walked off for a few minutes and they came back and said, “We don’t know why we’re doing this but we are going to give you this business, interest free, for, you have seven years to pay it back?”

SID: Okay, it was a million dollar business. How long did it take you to make it a two million dollar business?

JOAN: I didn’t do it, God did. One month.

SID: Did you hear that? One month.

JOAN: I went from one million to two million.

SID: Very quickly, your children, do they know God?

JOAN: They all know God now.

SID: Do they know Jesus?

JOAN: Yes.

SID: Okay. You’re married?

JOAN: Yes.

SID: What about that dad?

JOAN: You know what God did? I got ready to go to the Philippines after He taught me to read. I was getting ready to go on a mission trip and the Lord says you’re not going any further and I cannot increase the anointing on your life until you deal with an issue. And I said, what is that Lord? And He said go make a trip to your step dad and you tell him you’re sorry. And I went what? I said, God I’m not going to go tell my step dad I’m sorry. I was seven, he was a grown up man. He was sexually abusing me, he was beating me. What do you mean God?” And the Lord says, “You have anger and hate in you and I cannot use you and the anointing on your life is at this level and it will not go no further until you forgive your step dad and forgive everybody that has ever hurt you in your life.” And that was the hardest thing I ever did, Sid.

SID: but you know what? Let me explain something to you. She did it. She became free. I wish we had the time, we don’t. Miracles happen when she speaks if you will just do what God says. You know what, I haven’t heard His voice. Well, why don’t you start doing what He says in His written word? You can read. You don’t have an excuse. Start reading the words of Jesus. Start reading the entire New Testament. Find out about the one person that loves you no matter what you’ve ever done; the one person that accepts you. The one person that can look inside of you and say there is a destiny on your life because God could, would, and desire to do this for Joan; He could, would and desires to do it for you. So stop looking back, stop feeling sorry for yourself, repent for your sins, believe the blood of Jesus washes away your sins and ask Jesus to become your Lord, live inside of you. Start reading that Bible, start recognizing how loved and precious you are. You are God’s person. 

SID: Hello, Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Joan Pierce. If you think you are in a hopeless situation, what until you hear how hopeless Joan ‘s situation was, two children, third on the way, on place to live, no money, can’t read, no where to go, she’s in a phone booth, she cries in desperation, “God, help, help.” And a miracle happened. She hears God’s voice. And God said, “Go to the donut shop.”  The donut shop?  And call a woman you’ve met there and you call this woman and she arranges for you to have housing, you have your third child, you go into your apartment, and you are shocked.  What do you see?

JOAN: I am shocked. Because I had nothing, the house was filled with cribs, bassinets, not only that but on the sofa was clothes for my boy, Alan, clothes for my boy, Rob, and I just stood there holding my baby and I started crying. And I said, “Who do I thank, who do I thank?” And this lady said, now she was not a Christian, she said, “I went,” she smoked, she cussed, she was just a cantankerous wonderful lady, you know. She said, “I went, I typed a letter of what your needs was, and I went out to about 14 churches and I in and I said I want to speak to the guy that’s in charge, I don’t know if he’s the priest or the pastor, whatever you call the guy in charge, I want to talk to him.” And she got right in their face. And she’d go into the pastor and she’d go, “I don’t know what it says in that Bible you guys read every Sunday, but there’s a lady that has needs and I’m sure somewhere in that Bible it says you’re supposed to take care of people with needs. Here’s her needs, do something about it. The house is unlocked, fix it.

SID: You know Joan, what amazes me is God chose a non-Christian to bless you. I’m wondering if most of the Christians would have been too busy, but let’s not go, let’s not go there right now, but then, things went downhill.

JOAN: What happened? What happened is they filled the house with furniture and food and clothes, but no body, no body came back to get me the greatest gift of all wasn’t the furniture and the baby clothes, because for months I would, every time I’d put a new outfit on that little baby I’d go, “Oh thank you God, oh thank you God.” And I would just cry, I would just cry but little by little because nobody came back to tell me about Jesus. Nobody cared about my, they took a care of the physical needs, but nobody took care of the spiritual needs. Little by little: trying to earn money because I wanted to be rich. I went from poor, I wanted to be rich, I had this in my head, I am going to be rich.

SID: Listen, you became the second leading sales person in this international company you are with. How in the world did you get from there to there?

JOAN: God.

SID: All right, but in addition to that, all these other things going against you, you can’t even read? How do you go into business?

JOAN: Oh, well I got this little girl next door to come over and she’d read everything for me. And I would pay her to read.

SID: Don’t you ever say I can’t do it anymore after you hear what happened to Joan. Go ahead Joan.

JOAN: I hired people to read what I needed to read, and so anyway I was trying to be successful.

SID: How did you have any confidence at all with the background you came from? You should have been, ‘I don’t want anyone to see me.’ And just have a pity party your whole life.

JOAN: Well, you know what? I just want to share this with you, Sid. Some people when they are sexually abused go introvert, and some people who are sexually abused, which I was, become angry. And I became extremely angry and after a while, after I forgot about how God blessed me I was mad at God, mad at people, and I had this anger that motivated me, so it was like a demon actually.

SID: I see.

JOAN: You follow what I’m saying?

SID: Yes.

JOAN: There was something pushing me. And so when I couldn’t get my drugs after about five or six years in this business, one day I hurt my daughter, I stabbed her, this little girl that I had brought home from the hospital, seven years later in a rage, I was doing a shag rug and she was bugging me about something, and without even, cause I was demon possessed, I don’t know if your viewers believe in demons, I was a little Catholic woman girl, and I got to know about demons like first hand, and I will tell you in a second, and all of a sudden I went like this, she was driving me crazy and I had this shave rug thing, with a hook on it, a poker, and I went wow, and before I knew it I had it stuck in her leg all the way into the bone, and I saw myself, I saw myself with this poker thing stuck in my daughters leg and I was like, and she’s screaming, “You’re crazy mom, you’re crazy, you’re crazy.” And she took off, I pulled it out of her leg, and she took off to her room and she pushed her little furniture in front of her door. And I sat there and said, “I’m crazy. Cary please let me see you, please Cary, let me get you to the doctors, let me get you somewhere.” And you know I took her to the hospital and she had to have a tetanus shot, but it was a clean cut, but I knew then that there was something seriously wrong with me. And all of a sudden, at right about that time in my life, my neighbor that was across the street, Pentecostal lady, which I used to laugh at, she had these bumper stickers, Jesus loves you, hallelujah, praise God, and I used to go, “Aw, she’s a holy roller, she’s a fruitcake.” But she started coming over and telling me that Jesus loved me, and I’d say, “Jesus can’t love me.” And I called the Mormon Church, and my sister was Mormon because we were Catholic and Mormon. And so I realized I needed to be a better mother, so I called the Mormon Church and said, “Send the missionaries here so I can learn how to be a good mom.” Well, the missionaries started coming over teaching me Mormonism, and when my neighbor saw it she came over and said don’t listen to what they’re saying. And she said, “I want to tell you about Jesus.” And I said, “What do you care?” You’ve been my neighbor for three years, you know I’ve been over here crazy.” And I says, “Why didn’t you come earlier?” And she says, “Well now the Mormons are here, so now I’m coming.” But anyway to make a long story short, because we don’t have the time for it, she kept working on me for nine months, and the Mormons kept coming, and actually the Jehovah Witnesses started coming and everybody coming. I was really confused. She finally got me to go with her to a meeting. She told me it was a Catholic priest speaking, and it wasn’t. It was an ex-priest, and it was a full gospel men’s meeting. And she got me there and I felt the presence of God, and everyone was speaking in tongues and it’s like I got to get out of here. Cause I had a demon in me. I said I don’t want to stay here, I want to get out. So anyway at the end of the meeting she says, “Do you want the man to pray for you? And I went, “No way.” So we got out in the car and she says’ “I want him to pray for me do you mind going back so he can pray for me?” She’s smart.

SID: Very tricky. I’ll tell you what, hold that thought, we’ll find out what happened to Joan. Imagine she got straightened and became what we call a minch, and had a two million dollar business. Don’t go away, we’ll be right back.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth, your investigative reporter here with Joan Pierce. You think you have problems? How would you like to have been Joan? You’re kicked out of the only home you have. You have two little children. You have a third on the way. You have no money. You have nothing. You don’t know where to go, what to do, you can’t even read. How does someone pull themselves up? I mean you’ve listened to this, and run a two million dollar business? There is an answer but I want to go back to the beginning. Joan, you were raised as many families here in the United States are raised, with a single parent.

JOAN: Right.

SID: Did you ever know your father?

JOAN: No, I do now but I didn’t when I was a child.

SID: and you spoke Italian at home –

JOAN: right, right.

SID: And your mother remarried and I imagine that must have been the happiest day of your life, because you just had a need for a daddy.

JOAN: I sure had a need for a daddy, I wanted one so bad. From the time I was born till my mom got married that’s all I wanted was a dad because all the kids at school talked about how their daddy took them here. But you know the happiest day of my life when my mom got married and got me a dad. But three months after my dad started sexually abusing me and he decided he wanted me to be a straight “A” student.

SID: Now, how old were you at the time?

JOAN: Seven.

SID: Oh my goodness.

JOAN: Seven years old.

SID: Why didn’t you tell your mother?

JOAN: I did tell my mom. I told my mom what was going on by my mom, but he told my mom that I lied and my mom believed him. And I never found out until my mom died. Just before my mom passed on to be with the Lord which was just a few years ago, I said, “Mom when I was a little girl and I told you that my step-dad was doing that, did you ever really believe me?” And she said, “I knew it was happening but you were the only one from that, and the rest were his own children, and I decided that you only had a few more years and I didn’t know where to put you, and I thought it was better that you stay here and I try to protect you if I knew he was going into your room so, she knew but she never did anything about it.

SID: But in addition to that, he was a perfectionist and he wanted you to have straight “A’s” and is it true that he would slap you?

JOAN: Yes.

SID: Up till like one o’clock in the morning?

JOAN: Sometimes. Sometimes, till two and three in the morning and my mom would say “she can’t learn, she doesn’t know how. I had dyslexia, and I also found out later that I was handicapped and I was actually in the mentally retarded class in school. In fact when I took a test in school they had me listed as an idiot. I mean literally, and I had to, which really wasn’t a true –

SID: Did you buy that fact though? Did you believe that was true?

JOAN: Yes.

SID: How in the world with such a bad perception that you had, how in the world did you pull yourself up, but again we’re getting ahead. Okay, you’re out in the streets.

JOAN: I had been beat up, I’m two months pregnant, people, the place I was staying threw me out on the streets, they were drunk, and they threw my, they took my babies out of an afternoon nap, threw them on the front porch, threw my clothes on the front porch. I put the clothes in my backpack, I grabbed my two boys, one was three, one was a little over a year, and I took them, it was raining, I was in a total strange town, I didn’t know anybody. And I, it was raining so bad I went in a phone booth to try to get out of the rain, and I was hurting because I had fallen down two flights of stairs because they had knocked me down the stairs.

SID: Talk about hopeless, you think you’re hopeless, listen to this, go ahead Joan.

JOAN: And so I put them in a phone booth, and I was raised Catholic and Mormon, if that, anyway it’s a long story, we won’t go there.

SID: That’s quite a combination.

JOAN: So I said, “Rob, please be quiet. Alan, please stop screaming.” Because the boys were screaming and I stood there I this phone booth and I said, “God if you are real, if this God I heard about as a child, if this Jesus I heard about as a child is real, I need help now. God, I don’t know if you know how to talk to me, but speak to me now. And I heard an audible voice say to me, I mean, talk about when God speaks, I mean you don’t have to worry about it.

SID: Joan, had you ever heard an audible voice?

JOAN: No.

SID: What was it like?

JOAN: It scared me. I’m being honest, it scared me, I started trembling and like what is that? And He didn’t answer the way I thought He would anyway, if God was going to talk to you. He said, “Call the lady you met in the donut shop.” And I went, “That’s how you’re going to help me God?” And He said, “Call this number that you got from a lady in a donut shop.” And so I called her and I said, “I don’t know how to read, I’m illiterate, I’m hurt, I don’t know what to do, I don’t know how, if you don’t know how to read, you can’t use a phone book, and I don’t know how to use a phone book. So I said, “Please just tell me where to go for help. Is there a shelter, I have no money and I’m homeless and I don’t know what to do.” And she said, “You just go sit in the donut shop and I’ll be there in 40 minutes and I’ll come get you. Just order something for your children, don’t worry about the bill, wait, don’t leave. And that lady took me in her home and then when it came time for me to have my baby I had no clothes because I couldn’t get on welfare at that time because of some legal law. But anyway, when it came time for me to have this little girl, first of all, I couldn’t do an abortion; I just didn’t have that in me. But I had already signed her up to be adopted but when she started kicking about the fourth month, you know I said, “I can’t give this,” and this lady said, “You can’t give your baby away. You already have two boys and if you can raise these two boys, are you going to give the boys away? And I said, “No.” And she said, “Well it’s not going to take much more to feed one more baby.” So then I said, “I can’t give my baby away.” So I called the people that were lined up for adoption and says, “You can’t have my baby.” Anyway when it came time to have my baby, I had no clothes, nothing, I mean, when I say nothing, I didn’t have a blanket to wrap my baby in, nothing. When I went to the hospital I had nothing to bring that baby home. And so the lady bought me a cute little outfit for her. It was a little girl, I said, “Thank You God, thank You for a little girl.” And I wrapped her in that little outfit. And when I walked into my welfare apartment with my baby in arms, I looked and the house was full of food. There was clothes’ there was a crib.

SID: Now where did all this come from?

JOAN: It was just filled with stuff and…

SID: I’ll tell you what. Hold that thought, we’ll be right back in a moment. But it is, a woman with that kind of background, not even being able to read, running a two million business. Give me a break. Don’t go away, we’ll be right back.