Sid: My guest Jim Staley is red hot for the Messiah; he has one of the fastest growing ministries in the country. Jim before we went on the air… I’ll tell you this on the air the principles from understanding the Hebrew roots will make a day and light difference in every relationship that people have from marriage to business to friends, everything. I mean it’s so supernatural but I’ve asked you this before but I want to ask you this question again; why in your opinion did the miraculous, the gifts of the Spirit explode in your life and in the life of the people that you teach the Hebrew Roots of the faith and about Israel; why did it explode in their lives?
Jim: Because there’s ancient principles that are found in God’s word that it’s very simple this why He calls us children of God and not adults of God. He gives us very simple principles; we want to make it very complicated but He stands before His people. It’s a great example that I love to give with ancient Israelites is standing before the mountain of God, Mount Sinai. God comes before them and says “Guys here’s the deal, if you keep My commandments you’ll be blessed. If you don’t you’re not going to be blessed; so it’s your choice I’m going to love you either way but if you want your blessing you’ve got to kind of do what I want you to do because I created all of this stuff, and I know what works the best.” So that principle has never ended because it started in the garden said the same thing “Hey if you want the best for you eat from this tree; if you don’t then eat from that tree; I’m going to love you either way but it’s your call.” That same principle that ancient principle is the same do things… do Bible things in Bible ways and do what God says and we’ll be supernaturally blessed. So I did not know that there were things in my life that I was out of alignment with God and so I like to look at it as pipes in a house. If your pipes are clogged you’re not going to get a whole lot of water coming out of the pipes and it will be terrible to take a shower with just drips of water coming out. And I believe for the most part in Christianity we’ve been all kind of underneath the spout waiting for just drips of water to come out, when I believe the water is full on at the house; it’s just that our pipes are clogged. And those pipes I call it an audit or a church audit or a self-audit; we’ve got to look at our life like the Israelites did because that’s our pattern. That was the disciples pattern and say “What is in my life that is offending God and I don’t even know I’m out of alignment and like a tire out of alignment we’ll wear faster and the car won’t go straight.” But when we make the alignment we take the spiritual principles and we audit our life and this is what this DVD series really does for relationships. People walk away and they go I never knew that I was out of alignment in that area; they repent and they fix it and God supernaturally breaks through a little more water and the next thing you know their garden starts growing. And that’s what this whole thing is all about; discovering what those principles are, auditing our relationships for success and on the other side when you institute those relationship principles you will become successful.
Sid: Okay, let’s take a specific person. Tell me about the nephew of one of the champion fighters in the world Mohammed Ali. What happened to him? What difference did it make in his life?
Jim: You know even Ali is a good friend of mine and he attends our congregation and he’s the nephew of Mohammed Ali like you said. And he was a professional boxer himself and just like his uncle and fought and broke all kinds of records just like his uncle. But he had that up and down life of his mother was a Christian; his father was a Muslim; his father was the brother of Mohammed Ali. Very confusing growing up if you could image how you live a life spiritually with those kinds of spiritual things happen in your house. Being a professional boxer he really struggled with all the fame and the glory and all the women and the money and he never could get his life together. But it was when God showed him to get to the Christian roots to get back to his roots; getting back to his roots of Christianity and getting into the Hebrew mindset that he got turned on to our ministry and it wasn’t too long after that that God began to challenge him big time into making some changes in his life. He didn’t even know that he was out of alignment until he came into covenant with the Mishpochah, a family as you say, a church family that understood these principles and said “These are the principles that are out of alignment in your life.” And when he made alignment in those principles God gave him supernatural favor and he’s tremendously articulate and has a huge heart for witnessing to the Muslim people.
Sid: Okay, I am amazed at the wisdom that you brought forth from the studying the scriptures from a Hebraic understanding that help any relationship walk under the same favor Jewish people historically walked under that Christians have historically have not walked under in every arena of life of relationships. But let’s talk a little bit about marriage; tell me some of the revelation you found that not only saved your own marriage but has saved large numbers of people’s marriages.
Jim: Yeah, listen one of the most amazing things that God has shown me is that because… listen I never went to college; I’m just a regular Joe, I’m not a televangelist. I’m just a guy that is just trying to figure this out just like everybody else. But one of the things that turns me on more than anything is science; I love science and science is all through the Bible. And when you take science and you connect it with the original Hebrew language out comes incredible supernatural things. For instance, one of the things that I discovered through the Hebrew language that is totally related to marriage is in the Holy of Holies, okay. Which we know that the temple which is we’re called the temple of the Holy Spirit so there’s a connection in the language there that God’s trying to tell us something. “Go back and look at the temple.” He’s not just using these expressions as just for fun, He’s trying to give us clues that there is relationship rules and instructions; there’s quote Torah built into the temples.” And so I went back to the temple; started looking at all of the words and I discovered something amazing. First of all, the entire temple itself is of literally a man; all of the Hebrew words the gate that walks in. The posts that are hang the door as you walk in the east gate those; that word for post is the word shoulder in Hebrew. So the very shoulders of God are literally found in the gate; but when you get into the Holy of Holies, this is so amazing; there is the Arc of Covenant and everyone’s familiar with the Arc of the Covenant but very few people know that the Arc of the Covenant is split into 2 pieces. There’s the actual Arc on the bottom; the big chest that is found inside of it. The rod that bloomed, the almond rod and the jar of manna and the commandments. But on top of that is the mercy seat that’s separate that it has the cherubim that are on top of it. Well those 2 words are completely different Hebrew words and the mercy seat in Hebrew is feminine; it’s a feminine word. And in the Arc of Covenant it’s a male word and it show us that the 2 work in conjunction together. He did not have to make them 2 different parts He made them 2 on purpose and he even put them in order on which one goes on top to show us how they complement one another. Because inside the arc of the covenant which represents the husband or the male is found the 10 Commandments. So the rule the husband should know the word of God. Number 2 he should have access the spiritual part of the word of God which is the daily rhema word of God; the spiritual gifts. And he should also have the rod of Aaron that blooms and that represents spiritual authority that’s handled beautifully because it’s flowered. But on top of that he not just… He’s the foundation because he’s on the bottom. But what’s on top is the mercy seat which is the wife; and how many families know this that the husband is the lawgiver; he’s the one that brings down the commandments but it’s the wife that always says “Honey, you know you need to be a little bit nicer to the children or whatever.” And that’s because it says in the Bible remember the scripture it says “Mercy triumphs over judgment.” That is an illusion to the Arc of the Covenant; where mercy is the most powerful attribute in that the Arc of the Covenant in the Holy of Holies. And that’s just one example now; here’s something amazing alongside of that; speaking of the word side. The word side when it says the size of the walls of the Arc of the Covenant; I looked up that Hebrew word and would you believe that that word side of the Arc of the Covenant is the exact same Hebrew word in the garden of Eden where God says “I’m going to take the rib of Adam and I’m going to make Eve.” And so literally the Arc of the Covenant is the rib cage of God; and what’s inside the rib cage is nothing less than the heart of God. Now why is that so important, catch this this is amazing; what is the heart of God? The heart of God according to the ancient Hebrew scriptures the very first letter in our Bible is the letter bet; the very last letter in the Torah the book of Deuteronomy is a lamed. When you put the lamed and the bet together which is the entire Jewish community you know was all about; was the Torah. It was the instructions of God; the word of God that became flesh. The lev and the bet together is lev and that word in Hebrew is heart. The very heart of God was the commandments of God because it brought life and that’s what He put inside His chest or the rib cage. So every man or husband; this why the Jewish community is so powerful and successful is because many of them grow up and what are they learning? The heart of God, look at David who is the man after God’s own heart. And what did he say more than anything in the longest chapter in the Bible 176 verses you won’t find a verse where he doesn’t say “I love the commandments of God; I love to learn His precepts and His rule book.” Why? That’s how you learn the heart of God; if you want the power of God you got to know His heart and it starts in the Arc of the Covenant and every relationship is connected to it.
Sid: Tell me of everything you’ve learned what would you say is the most important thing in communication between husbands and wives?
Jim: Well there’s 10 they can find in the 10 rules but if I tend to pick out 1 I would probably have to come up with this is that “Husbands number 1 mistake that they make is they don’t listen; we do not know how to listen.” We’re really good at talking and we’re really good at defending ourselves and we’re really good at criticizing and judging, but we’re not very good at listening. And one of the ancient principles is listen until they’re finished and I pull out the scripture in the book of Job, it’s my favorite scripture in the entire Bible on the subject where Job has this attitude and God is a bit offended at Job. So God comes to Job and Job begins to defend himself, this is a perfect marriage relationship in as a matter of fact any relationship this is how it goes. This is one person goes to the other person expresses their feelings of hurt and the one that’s being dumped on gets offended at the persons emotions. Well, here’s a classic example Job gets offended that God’s offended and pretty soon Job catches on that he’s the clay and not the potter and he does a miraculous thing that changes his life, he shuts his mouth.
Sid: Whoop’s we’re out of time; we both have to shut our mouths.
Sid: As I said yesterday my guest that’s an understatement; his name Samuel Kanco. He’s from Ghana, Africa. He comes from 4 generations of witchdoctors; he is the first one to get free. And when people are in Africa they understand the invisible realm; believers or nonbelievers a like because they’re dealing with it all of the time. Here in the United States we’re trained as a child seeing is believing. And it’s very difficult for us to walk in the faith arena where it’s almost natural for someone from Africa to walk in that type of arena. Now Samuel explained that he was taught how to contact various categories of demons. And he said that there was a place that his spirit would go right under the sea for 12 years and it was a beautiful place and there were inventions there; like he saw the computer before it even was invented. He saw cars before they were invented and many of these items are used as points of contact not necessarily the computer itself but many of these items is used as points of contact for almost like voodoo to control the people. And then I said “You told me the tragedy of tragedies that happened here in America you knew about from this place under the sea.” How did you know about it from there?
Samuel: Whatever that happens to us very very negatively has been planned way before it happens in the realm of the spirit before it comes physically.
Sid: How long ago did you know about 9/11?
Samuel: I think it wasn’t 9/11 it was destruction, it was destruction.
Sid: I see you didn’t know exactly you just knew that…
Samuel: All I knew was destruction and some more to come you know but I didn’t know the type of destruction, or the type of method that it was going to use, to get into this country. But I knew, I knew that every country has its own rules, it has its own destruction.
Sid: Now I want to take you to a time where you went to bed and someone kept trying to wake you up and you heard a voice say something very strange to you; tell me about that.
Samuel: Now before I was converted one day I was around in town and the something unusual happened to me. So I came home around 7 – 7:30 to 8:00 to sleep; when I got to bed and I was sleeping I ran between 2, between 1 and 2 someone woke me up. Like I said, if one was 7 the demon come you cannot sleep more than 2 hours but at that particular time I was not on duty. So when I heard a voice I got up and I tried to contact south, west, east and north to see whether there’s something. When I contacted it would not contact; I contact and it would not contact. And then I told them any way I’m not on duty so even nobody’s going to mind me; I’m going back to sleep. I went back to sleep again the attack came. I got up then this time I realized that it wasn’t the normal voice and the normal thing that I knew but this is different. But though I didn’t know what was wrong and what was happening. And then about 5:30 said “Go and have your bath and then put on your clothes and then go assemble a watch.” I said “When we are destroying we don’t bathe. What does bath have to do with our work?” He says “No, go bath.” You see in the realm of demon you have to obey before you can complain. So I rush to the bathroom, took my bath, dressed and then said “Now go to the Assembly of God.” And I said “But we don’t go to the Assembly of God.” I mean the laws of the land would take you on if you go physically we do it spiritually.”
Sid: What do you mean you had been in a church in the spirit?
Samuel: No, it’s as you go there physically you know after I had taken my bath.
Sid: Normally you might go somewhere spiritually.
Sid: I see.
Samuel: So we don’t like physically, because if you try to do physical things the laws of the land will take care of that.
Sid: I see.
Samuel: Are you understanding me?
Sid: Yes, I see
Samuel: If I want to kill you I must spirit because we don’t have laws; that has to do with spiritual things. But you have laws that have to do with physical things.
Sid: So this voice tells you to get out of bed, take a bath, which makes no sense to you, and then to go to a church in your body.
Samuel: Which is no sense at all.
Samuel: And so I have felt a hand on the back of my pants raised my two legs and started pushing me to the Assembly of God. No what made me realize that it wasn’t the normal spirit or the normal demons I noticed that when I came out of my room they started hooting at me “Whooo, whooo.” And when they started hooting at me.
Sid: So these demons were hooting at you.
Samuel: Yeah the demons were “Whooo, whooo” when they were doing that I realized that something has happened but I didn’t know what was happening because I mean Jesus is far, far from me. So I went to the church got into the church, sat down listened to the message, went to receive Jesus. The preacher was not sure, he said “My friend if you think that you are coming to do….”
Sid: Wait a second now, now come on now. Why… here you’re a 4th generation witchdoctor this voice tells you to go to the church; you go to the church. Why did you go up to accept Jesus; you didn’t even know who Jesus was.
Samuel: I don’t know.
Sid: Why did you go up?
Samuel: I went there under instructions the voice was speaking to me.
Sid: So you follow what they said no matter what.
Samuel: I follow what they did no matter what. Then the guys knew me very well that I’m a dangerous guy. So as I went forward as I was commanded to do the man said “Hey guy you want to come up and mess us up here. Here is Jesus,” he knew me, there is no way I would come to church, there is no way but they didn’t know what was happening to me and so I went there received Christ and then 12:00 I got out of the church the hand was there pushed me into my room. When he pushed me into my room…
Sid: A supernatural hand pushed you into a room.
Samuel: I went to bed 12:00 day noon, around 7, 8, 9:00 in the night 10:00 someone woke me up. When I opened my eyes I saw a white man with a tongues of crown with the blood coming. I said, “Me, I didn’t kill any white man, I didn’t kill any white man I thought you see, I didn’t kill.” My jaw was locked but I was saying in my head, “I never kill any white man; it was blacks.” So if black would have appeared I would understand I never killed any white man. Then he disappeared and so in the morning I went to my pastor and I said “My pastor, I know I kill, look I know I kill people but I don’t remember the time I killed any white man.” Now Jesus is white man who comes with the thorns, with the blood and looking at me and He…
Sid: So you saw thorns on his head, you saw blood on a white man, you didn’t know it was Jesus.
Samuel: I didn’t know who the man was.
Sid: So you went to the pastor at the Assembly of God Church and what did he tell you?
Samuel: Then he started laughing at me. I said “For God sake would you explain to me; I never killed any white man!” I said I never; I said never. I tell the truth, if I did I didn’t. He prayed with me, I went there slept exactly about that time the man came again with the same thing but my jaw I could not say it because my jaw was locked. But I was saying “I never killed any white man; for God sake guy you know I’ve killed this man I had never met him before.” Now on the 3rd time he says “For this reason that I came I was nailed on the cross; I died on the third day, I resurrected, I forgive you all of your sins, whatever the killings everything I have forgiven you. Now I am coming very soon so I want you to now go to my church and speak to them about what you have done and what you have seen and what you can do to help them.” Then He disappeared. I ran 4:00 in the morning I rushed to my pastor and said “The man has spoken and I know that I didn’t kill the white man.” They said “What did he say I said “He says He died because of me; He has forgiven me all of my sins; all my killings.” I asked the pastor “But did the man know what He’s talking about; I’ve killed though.” And they started laughing at me he said he has forgiven me all of my sins and has forgiven me everything and now He will make me stand before His church and speak about these things.” So I told the Pastor, “Please come with me I cannot stand in the whole church and tell them what I have done in this city.”
Sid: All of the people you’ve killed.
Samuel: “Killed, I’ll be arrested!”
Samuel: And the Pastor said “No, no, no when the time comes He’s going to push His anointing on you and you will speak and nothing will happen.” I said, “No, I have done so much.” And so that is how I got born again and so eventually Full Gospel Businessmen International come to my country and so they approached me. I told them everything that I knew about demonic world. And they said “Come and tell us your story.” So it was Full Gospel Businessman Fellowship platform that I stood for the first time to speak about my life. That was the time that I saw people collapsing and people crying and people on the floor I nearly jumped out the window.
Sid: Are you talking about they’re getting delivered?
Samuel: They were getting delivered.
Sid: Okay, we’re out of time will pick up right here on tomorrows broadcast. Too few Christians understand the invisible world of demons…
Sid: We want everyone everywhere when you go to sleep there’s many reasons for going to sleep but you know what the most important is when you go to sleep? You are in a perfect position to hear God clearer than any point in your day. And rather than waste that time like most people they’re pragmatic and they say “Well, there pizza dreams I don’t know if they’re from God or not. And if they are from God frankly I don’t understand them so as far as I’m concern… and if I get 3 dream experts to tell me what the dream means they all say different things, yet this is so important from God; what do I do I’m confused!” And that’s why I have Laura Harris Smith on the telephone; I’m so excited about her book “Seeing the Voice of God.” That’s your dreams Laura, when we were off the air we were talking about your dream dictionary even before we get to that would you address all of those questions I just raised?
Laura: (Laughing) Yes, and they are wide spread whether I’m being spoken to just a person on the streets or a DJ or a television host; they all bring up those same ones; so they are very relevant. I would say to the person who wonders if they only had a pizza dream I would remind them about Ezekiel and his wheels with eyes and all of those other crazy symbols. Thank goodness that Ezekiel did not discount what he saw; so a lot of times what you think is a pizza dream is actually an invitation for you to seek the Holy Spirit. Now I had a DJ ask me yesterday “Why can’t God just give me a literal dream? Why does he have to be so symbolic I don’t like it when He’s symbolic?” And I said very boldly “Oh you mean you don’t like to use your faith?”
Laura: And he reared his head back and just laughed out loud. Jesus taught in parables when He was on the earth and He’s still speaking in parables today. So yes, sometimes it’s a pizza dream, but more often than not it’s an invitation for you to seek God for an interpretation.
Sid: Tell me about the dream that you had tied in when we asked you to be a guest on our radio and television program.
Laura: Yes, well there were actually two one morning I had a waking dream that I was…
Sid: Excuse me “What’s a waking dream?”
Laura: Okay, a waking dream is it’s just a dream that you have as soon as you awake announcing something; it’s definitely a prophetic dream. It’s one that sticks with you; you know it just gnaws at you all day. As soon as you get up it’s fresh it’s right there as if it’s saying “Do something with me you know.”
Sid: So what was that awaking dream?
Laura: So this was a waking dream where I saw myself big and pregnant. Now I had 6 children so this is an analogy that God knows I will understand. And in the dream there was this random other person that I rarely talk to and that was interesting; what on earth there was no real action in the dream it was just me big and pregnant and then this person. Alright next morning I wake up to a dream that a hand is knocking on a door; now it was not my hand so I was not knocking on a door. I saw another person’s hand they were knocking on a door and I heard the Lord say “Opportunity knocks.” And so I thought wow these two put together I wonder if there is a big opportunity I’m about to give birth to. And hours later I got a call from your people to be on your program. And the interesting thing about the random person, don’t ever dismiss a random symbol or person especially I hardly ever communicate with emailed me that night with a question and a prayer request. That was God’s timeline that was God’s way of confirming “Yes this is the opportunity I showed you in your dream.”
Sid: Now when you…let’s take that. Is there anything you do about it or you just have an expectancy when you have a dream such as you just described?
Laura: Right, well there’s definitely expectancy and there’s definitely prayer. But I didn’t see myself knocking on doors; and my personality is such that I would go knocking and so God was very good to show me that I was just to sort of just wait and pray but definitely be expectant but wait for the knock. So when it came I probably… I remember telling you that day you probably blew dry your hair with the information I was so excited. (Laughing) It come to pass so fast God is so good; I didn’t know you, you didn’t know me but immediately when the opportunity came I knew that it was something I was supposed to do because the Lord had gone before me with this instruction.
Sid: Okay, let’s go back to your book which is called “Seeing the Voice of God” it has over 1000 symbols in the Dream Dictionary. You told me that you researched them from the Bible, can you give me an example?
Laura: Well sure, I’ll give you a couple of examples of ways that I had to handle this; first of all let me say that when my publisher heard that I wanted to do over a 1000 symbols they said “Are you really sure that you want to do that?” And I said “Oh, sure it would be just wonderful nobody has ever done it before.” Well about 500 symbols into it I thought “Jesus, what have I bitten off, this is really hard writing a dictionary; especially because I wanted each symbol to be somehow you know rooted in scripture. So let’s say I’ll just give you a couple of examples, let’s say you dream about a groom okay. Well, if your already married you know that you don’t need to get another groom, or if you’re a man I would say and it does say in the dictionary that Jesus is the bridegroom and I base that on John 3:29. But let’s say if there’s a symbol that you dream about a modern symbol and it’s not in scripture that’s going to happen. So let’s take a rearview mirror for example. What I would say to that obviously because that is not in scripture anywhere is I list the scripture from Philippians it talks about how “Forgetting that which lies behind and reaching forward to what is ahead.” And I would offer that to the reader as a place where they can pray. So this dream dictionary is not one to confirm your feelings or say “Oh, you dreamed about this because you were feeling such and such.” Who cares about feelings you know it’s about what God is trying to say to you. So most symbols have one sometimes two but sometimes 3 scripture verses so that you can… you know the jumping off point so that you can say “Here’s the symbol I dreamed and here’s the scripture I’m going to pray as a result of that symbol.”
Sid: What feedback are you getting from people that have a dream and then look it up in the dream dictionary?
Laura: Yeah, well let me just say that by the time I get to the breakfast table this morning I already had 3 requests for dream interpretations, two in my own house. (Laughing)
Laura: I’m so happy I’ve written this book now and can just say “Okay, go look in chapter 7.” But honestly it has been wonderful to even have the nature of the emails that I sometimes get for dream interpretation changed. Now people aren’t writing and asking me for something they’re writing and saying “This is the symbol and this is what it means and so guess what I did and guess what I’m going to do and here’s the decision that I’m going to make.” So that’s the kind of responses so far and I’m and it’s a sobering thing honestly Sid when I wrote it and I finished it I thought “This chapter, the dream dictionary is what is going to keep seeing ‘The Voice of God’ on people’s night stands long after they finish reading it.” And that was a sobering thought to think that sleepy eyed you know risers were going to turn over and look to this thing and make decisions with it. So it was written with much prayer even fasting. A lot of the symbols were gained through interpretation were gained through years of study and prayer. So I’m really excited about it; probably in the book like I said I think it’s one of those things that will set it apart from the other dream interpretations.
Sid: Tell me about because you list so many I never realized that there was so many different types of dreams but you not only list them you explain them and you even have examples of how they operated in your life. Tell me what a warning dream is.
Laura: A warning dream is just what it sounds like it’s giving you some information you need to be aware of. I want to really quickly say that a warning dream is not fate; sometimes people might be really what’s the word I’m looking for? They might be tempted to think that it’s a nightmare but really it’s God saying “Here’s what the enemy has up his sleeve.”
Sid: So what do you do when you get a warning dream?
Laura: Well, I definitely pray and I tell you when you have a waking dream that’s doubly emphasized; so I look in scripture and I look to Matthew 2 and I just see they’re listed right there two of the most important warning dreams of all times. Without them the salvation of the world would never had occurred. First it was to the wise men they had been commissioned by Herod to find the Christ child not realizing he wanted to them to report back to them so that he could find Jesus and kill him. So verse 12 says “And having been warned in a dream not to go back to Herod they returned to their country by another route.” And then immediately in the next verse 13 God’s protection continues. It says “When they had gone an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream ‘Get up take the child and his mother and escape to Egypt.’” So warning dreams are so so important; I can give you an example of a personal one God warned me about. He’s kept me out of so much trouble Sid (Laughing) I can’t even tell you how grateful I am too.
Sid: Tell me one.
Laura: Okay, one is I woke up on a Sunday morning, or as I was waking I had this waking warning dream and this huge… I was standing in front of my church and I looked. I was facing away from the church and I look and this huge wrecking ball is coming towards the church and because I’m standing between it it’s coming at me. And it stopped right before it got to my face.
Sid: I’ll tell you what we’ve really run out of time; we’ll pick up with that dream tomorrow and what you did about it because a lot of people have warning dreams. And I want to find out exactly what she did about it.