Sid RothComments Off on Our Guests Jonatan and Jennifer Toledo
Sid: We want everyone everywhere to have the compassion of Jesus for a love starved hurting broken world. I have on the telephone Jennifer Toledo who had a vision, yet more than a vision where she was taken to heaven and saw a place called “The Weeping Room.” Where she was too fat to be a part of it, not fat from a physical viewpoint, but fat from self, self-ministry, self-family, self-finances, self-business, self, self, self, self… then she spent long periods of time in this weeping room with the Lord and saw the compassion of the Lord; she was transformed so that today she walks in supernatural strategy. Jennifer and you and your husband Jonatan are the heads of Global Childrens Movement and you’re based in Foley, Alabama, that’s Jennifer and Jonatan Toledo. Jennifer briefly what steps could someone take in addition to listening to your teaching on “The Weeping Room,” what practical steps could someone take to walk into this supernatural compassion?
Jennifer: I think what we need to do is spend time waiting on the Lord letting Him speak his promises to us, letting Him speak His heart to us. For some of us it is hard to listen to God, you know it’s easy to talk but hard to listen. He loves to speak so letting Him speak to us and just listening and just surrendering asking “What’s in my life that I’m holding onto, and what have I not fully surrendered?”
Sid: Give me a couple of examples that might come to mind that someone might not even realize is something they should surrender. What might that mean?
Jennifer: Maybe like your timetable for your life you think this should happen at a certain time, or you’ve paid your dues in this and you think that God should do this or whatever. Surrenduring your time, surrendering your finances…
Sid: In other words, I believe God is going to do this thing in my ministry, that He is going to give me my promotion, and it hasn’t happened and you’re doing everything possible to make it happen.
Jennifer: Yep, and that’s not how the kingdom works, you know. So fully surrendering just saying “God I don’t care if I never minister, I don’t care whatever. I just want You I want You, I just fully want You in whatever You have for me.” So your own ideas you know just surrendering and saying “God is there anything in me that I haven’t surrendered?” Letting Him speak to you, and letting Him love on you because you can’t come into that place of intimate friendship with God unless you first understand how much He loves you. So we’ve got to get out of the servant mindset, we’ve got to start thinking as sons and daughters, and as a bride that we are. So as we spend time just letting Him speak out over us and speak promises over us, and we surrender, He begins to move us into that place.
Sid: Okay, you do a teaching on your CD titled “The Weeping Room” called “What Does it Mean to be a Child Today?” It will absolutely break the heart of those that are listening, but just briefly explain what that means to be a child today.
Jennifer: You know for most of us when we think we toss around the term “Well what does it mean to be a child?” You know we think fun, we think playing, no work, you know that’s kind of our mindset of what we think about what it means to be a child. Actually that’s a very unrealistic picture because reality is that right now on the earth the most exploited, the most injustice you could find on the earth happens to children. Most people don’t realize but there’s over 6 billion people on the earth right now, a massive amount of people on the earth; more people the world has ever seen all at one time, and over half Sid, over half of the earth’s population is under the age of 15. The majority of who is out there are children. Now if you start looking at the majority of who is out there, these children, two-thirds, two out of three live in poverty.
Sid: We in America, especially Christians, are saying “God show me something to do.” He’s saying “Haven’t you just heard what Jennifer said?” Go ahead.
Jennifer: [Laughing] Open your eyes it’s all around us. You don’t have to be in Africa or India to see poverty, it is in every single city in America, it is everywhere it is all around us there’s poverty… The children are the most effected, but you see children are just being ravaged. I just want to say honestly I really believe that we are in a season where God is raising up a generation and He’s raising up a generation of delivers, and generation who knows Him and loves Him, and the enemy is so angry. Just like he tried to do in Moses’ generation, just like he tried to do in Jesus’ generation he’s trying to wipe out a generation. We’re seeing it, we’re seeing…
Sid: Listen in the United States there calling young people in the United States the lost generation because such a small percentage of them are born again. It’s not like there parent’s, it’s not there parent’s generation it’s a new generation. This is the future of America
Jennifer: Yes. So we’re seeing the enemy he is not a fool, and he’s been trying to target an youth. We’re seeing everything, we’re seeing AIDS, you know like never before, see plagues. I mean we’re seeing right now just right now on the earth 20 million people living with AIDS. I mean that results in 13 million orphans who don’t have parents because of AIDS, I mean that’s just one disease. If you think about how many children that live on the streets, there’s 100 million children forced to live on the streets.
Jennifer: I mean we can’t even comprehend that, children living on the streets? I mean being exploited, being abused, being beaten…
Sid: I’ve been reading about parents that literally are selling their children into slavery because they need the money.
Jennifer: Yes. It’s so sad we see this it’s bonded labor, slave labor, where parent’s in such poverty are forced to, you know, just to sell a child off to slavery because they need money they can’t feed the rest of their kids. So these kids are chained to their workstations where they’ll spend the rest of their life working. We’re seeing, you know even right now most people don’t realize because we have such abundance here, we normally don’t go without in North America, but 17 million children will starve to death this year…
Sid: Not just hungry but starve to death.
Jennifer: Starve to death, 17 more million children will have starved to death this year, dead.
Sid: Of course I’ve been watching unfortunately things about the sexual exploitation of children as the world is getting darker and darker. I mean it is so unbelievable what the statistics and the information you have. In reference to the sexual exploitation, you said something like 10 million children are living in the sex industry?
Jennifer: Ten million children and that’s a conservative figure because so many go unreported, obviously. That includes, you know, child prostitution, pornography, sex trade tourism, it’s disgusting but the number one choice in the world today for sex is a child. That’s the world we are living in.
Sid: You’re talking about many children are being brought into Canada, and the United States 8 or 9 years of age and put into brothels, at the disposal of wealthy businessmen?
Jennifer: Yep and we just think “That’s absurd! That just sounds so absurd! Like that doesn’t happen in our country!” It does there’s a whole underground movement, you know, the authorities are aware of this. I mean there’s a huge underground movement where children, little boys and little girls are brought in, smuggled in, and literally sold, sold into prostitution. I mean it’s just disgusting, it’s horrible! It’s not just we got to have this mindset “It must just be these, you know, dirty street people that are involved in this.” No I mean it’s huge, it’s like doctors, lawyers, businessmen that are a part of this. It just so breaks the heart of God.
Sid: What about the children victimized by war?
Jennifer: You know we’re seeing in several countries children that are forced into becoming a soldier, they’re forced to fight. They’re used to go before the armies and check for landmines, you know they send the kids out first. They’re using children as human shields, they’re forcing kids to become killing machines, they’ll drug them, they’ll force them to do these horrible acts then force them to work with them. I mean it’s absolutely horrible! In fact, 70% of all known refugees in the world right now are children, they’re under the age of 15; totally victimized by war. We’re seeing children brutally slaughtered in wars. One statistic that continues to blow me a way is up through World War 2 90% of all fatalities in war were professional soldiers. You know that’s what we kind of normally think.
Jennifer: Since World War 2 90% of all casualties of war are now women and children.
Sid: Ninety percent?
Jennifer: Ninety percent. So the most victimized people group in the world are children. Sadly, they’re the most helpless, they’re the ones who can’t defend themselves, they’re the ones who can’t, you know, who don’t have the authority to go to the government, or whatever. That’s why it’s our job as God’s people to cry out for them, and to raise our voice for them. To partner with the heart of Christ because Jesus feels, Jesus sees, Jesus hears it all.
Sid: What about the young girls that are missing from the world’s population?
Jennifer: This is unbelievable, like when I heard this statistic I mean I just wept because I can’ even imagine. Sid in the last 10 years there have been 60 to 100 million girls that have simply gone missing off the earth’s population, there’s no record. They can’t find what happened to them, it’s gender based feticide and fantasied, malnutrition, neglect, SRA victims, you know satanic ritualistic abuse, where they’ll sacrifice these young girls; 60 to 100 million that have been just wiped off the earth that nobody knows what’s happened to them, unbelievable.
Sid: Here we in America we are living in a bubble. I mean we have it so good here, but to much is given, much is required.
Jennifer: Yeah. I know when sometimes when people hear these statistics they think “What can I do? I’m just one person, what can I do?” Reality is, and that’s why I wanted to share this vision about the strategy room. There is a place and we can one person can partner with heaven and bring transformation to these areas. That’s how the kingdom works God will always use one simple person who partners with Him. David, little David, to take down Goliath. We look at sex trade tourism…
Sid RothComments Off on Sid Roth and Joel Rosenberg
Sid: Many years ago God showed me as a Jewish believer in the Messiah that there is a law of evangelism; when you go to the Jew first it’s like planting a seed that will bring life from the dead, and results in the greatest Gentile salvation. As a matter of fact, the greatest harvest in history is about ready to happen. You can read about in Amos the 9th chapter the 11th verse it says “In that day I will raise up the fallen tabernacle of David.” In Hebrew the word
“tabernacle” means “house,” or it could mean “family.” God says “That when He raises up the fallen family of David they will possess the remnant of the Gentiles.” In other words, when you see Jewish people being born again it will be as Paul says in Romans the 11th chapter he’s saying the same thing “Life from the dead.” Then the 13th verse of the 9th chapter of Amos talks about a revival that the world has never seen before. There’s going to be so much harvest, so much fruit that the people that plant the seed the next year when they go to plant the seed fruit is still going to be there because there won’t be enough workers there to gather in all of the harvest. When is this going to happen? When the tabernacle, or when the family, the house of David the Jewish people are restored.
I just got back last month from Israel. I was there during the Biblical festival of Shavuot, of Pentecost. I saw something I’m told they’ve never seen before. We rented 2 secular auditoriums, and we ran newspaper ads saying “Lecture on the Supernatural.” The first meeting, there were 200 seats the majority of the seats were taken. The second meeting, there were 300 seats and all the seats were taken. Not with tourists, not with believers, but predominantly people off the street that were reading newspaper… let me tell you about one woman that was at this meeting. She was tall, she was young, she was beautiful, she was obviously an Israeli, and my Joy was with me. This woman she was so striking my just noticed her. Then when I gave the altar call the majority of these 300 people raised their hand to receive the Messiah, the majority of them. I understand from having worked in the former Soviet Union that many times people have said professions of faith more than once, and they just keep doing it again and again. Of course many times it’s a start, but they’re not real serious, but it is a start and God hears that start. So I decided to be as selective as possible. I said “Everyone that has said that prayer… now you have never said a prayer like that before in your life. This is a first time I want you to come forward.” Thirty-three Israelis came forward for me to lay hands on them. One of the 33 was this tall young beautiful Israeli that had caught my wife’s eye at the beginning of the meeting. So then after I prayed for these 33… imagine 33 Israelis in Israel. This is unprecedented, this is unheard of, and the meeting before was over 20 came to the Lord. So we’re saying over 50 Israelis made first time decisions for the Lord in the land of Israel. We were able… because of the strategy God gave me we were able to, literally able to, get in under the radar. When this beautiful tall young Israeli was given the book I’m making available to you “They Thought for Themselves” in Hebrew. This is what she did, she clutched the book to herself, she put in her chest, she took her arms and she just held it as if was the most precious gift that she had ever received in her life, and it was. Because this is a book God told me to write, 10 testimonies of Jewish people from 10 different walks of life, my testimony is one of them in the new addition in English. She clutched it as if it were the most precious gift she had ever seen, but she didn’t just do this for 10 seconds, or for 60 seconds. My wife said she must have done this for 5 or 10 minutes just holding on to this book.
You see these decisions were not because of my great speaking ability. These decisions were made because I made myself available to God. That’s all He’s asking for. No one can lead an Israeli in the land of Israel, let alone 33 of them to the Lord in one evening. Over 50 in two evenings no one can do this, but one of the rabbis, the Messianic Jewish Rabbis that were there he said “That God opened his when I told those that have never made a decision before to come forward.” When those 33 came forward including that tall young beautiful Israeli that I was telling about, and most of the people by the way were young. When she came forward with the other 33 someone came forward with them. This is what he said when God removed the spiritual scales from his eyes; he said he “Saw a gigantic man and this man was dressed in white and His garments were just glistening, they were gleaning, and He walked up with these 33 Israelis because He was so big He put His arms around them and embraced them as if He was a groom and that was His bride.” Do you know who that man was? The King of the Jews, Yeshua, Jesus Himself is going after the lost sheep of the House of Israel. I had to make myself available; I believe this was historic what occurred at Shavuot, at Pentecost. I believe this is the beginning of great and mighty move of God’s Spirit among Jewish people that will infect the church. You say “Sid that’s a strong word” yes it is going to infect the church just the way I was over 30 years ago when I became a new Jewish believer in the Messiah. All I knew is Jesus was real I didn’t know scripture I didn’t know anything and I couldn’t keep my mouth shut. Of course, I never have been able to keep my mouth shut ever since because once you have a real encounter with the real Messiah no one can keep quiet about it.
So this is about ready to happen and can you picture these new Jewish believers getting into your church? Paul pictures that he says “If it was a blessing” in Romans 11 “If it was a blessing that the Jewish people rejected their Messiah, how much greater blessing when they receive their Messiah.” It will literally bring life from the dead. We’re going to see resurrection power in the church where literally not only people that are spiritually dead are going to be coming to life, but I believe people that are physically dead are going to be coming to life. We’re going to see these greater miracles, and they’re about ready to happen. It’s not going to be just because of the Jewish believer, and it’s not just going to be just because of the Gentile Christian, it’s going to be when the 2 are merged; this is why Paul prayed so fervently in the Epistles. He said in the book of Ephesians “That the middle wall of separation would come down between Jew and Gentile to form One New Man in the Messiah.” You know who that New Man it’s the one in that glistening gown I was telling you about that went after 33 Jewish predominantly young Israelis who had never heard anything about Jesus. Well I take it back there was another person there that I got to know, another beautiful woman that came to the Lord at that meeting. She said “For months before the meeting she was thinking about Jesus.” Do you see what God’s doing? It’s a setup. There is a setup going on in your life right now. I believe that God is going to have, or has had, a Jewish person cross your path.
Sid: Now can you hear the urgency in my voice because I’m speaking on behalf of God; od wants everyone everywhere to be red hot for Him because this lukewarm business which is a definition for 21st Century American Christianity it will not fly. It isn’t even Biblical; it’s something called religion; and religion and a dime won’t get you a cup of coffee anywhere here in the United States or probably anywhere else. There’s reality and that’s why you’re listing to me because you want reality; you want more; you’re hungry for God you want intimacy you want to hear His voice. And it’s not just for the very special people. I mean in the Catholic Church if someone has two verified miracles they make them a saint. The Bible says the least Christian is a saint; therefore according to the history according to the word of God the least Christian was walking in signs and wonders 2,000 years ago and God doesn’t change. Jesus said “I’m the same yesterday, today and forever.” So I’ll give you one guess as to who’s done the changing it’s us. But we’re going to cut through by the Spirit of the Living God all of this tradition; all of this junk and find out the purpose of life is not the social club called “Going to Church on Sunday morning or Saturday.” The purpose of life is intimacy with God fulfilling your destiny; you have a purpose you have a finger print that no one else in the world has; you have a DNA that no one else in the world has and you have a spiritual destiny that no one can do like you can do. And you have not missed it; and that’s why the Holy Spirit has directed me to Gary Oats. I’m speaking to him at his home in Dallas, Georgia; he travels the nations now. He was a wonderful charismatic pastor came from a good evangelical fundamental background actually on staff with Campus Crusade, a Southern Baptist background. And although he was walking in the charismatic realm he was like most charismatics confined to tradition a few healings, a few prophecies and a few tongues and there’s got to be something more to life than that religious mantra if you will; there’s something more and he found it. He was obedient in a meeting in Brazil; Randy Clark was speaking where he’s seen so many miracles happen but something unusual happened to Gary. He had been praying for God to open His eyes; he’s been praying for more intimacy with God for discernment and he did one obedient act. Because God told him “You can take your shoes off in a dirty place and nothing’s going to happen to you but God told him to do that.” He did it and he had an encounter with the Lord like he’s never had before; his eyes were opened he saw into the spirit realm. And we left off on yesterday’s broadcast after he had had an encounter with the Lord; he is vibrating in a chair; he is totally wasted just as others in the Bible when they come into the presence of God; totally convicted of sin. Totally repented of sin; totally repented, hunger for God than he’d ever been in his life. And Randy Clark somehow realizes that something important is going on and says “Come forward;” he doesn’t have the strength so they literally carry him forward in a chair; they bring him up on the stage and he’s still wasted and he did really want to share; it was just too private, too personal what was going on. And so his wife was going to talk for him said “Honey, is it okay if I say to them what’s going on with you?” And he didn’t say yes to his wife he’s shaking so badly she took it as yes and she starts speaking. What happened next Gary?
Gary: As she begins to speak and tell what happened the power of God fell in the room; people began to cry out; it was just like a tornado of the Holy Spirit swept through the room. It was the most incredible thing; and people were falling to the floor. There were sovereign healings that took place all over the room as she was telling what happened. People were drawn closer to the Lord.
Sid: Wait a second you’re the one that had the experience you’re telling me that anointing just by her talking about what happened to you caused a release of miracles?
Gary: Yes, absolutely it did; the presence of God was so strong in that place as she was sharing and as she was telling what happened. It just quickened in them the ability to receive from God just like I had been receiving from God.
Sid: Can you tell me a few of the things that happened; this was in Brazil by the way.
Gary: Right after that several other things happened but finally once I was able to stand up and able to begin to pray for people a long line developed and the presence of God was so strong. Every person that I prayed for was instantly healed; every person. They were set free from demons.
Sid: Every person?
Gary: Every person; I had never experienced that.
Sid: I read about that in the Bible with Jesus but I don’t hear too much about just people like you or I praying and every person getting healed.
Gary: Well, this was a rare moment but it was… you know when I was holding hands with Jesus and my left hand began to burn you know several people thought that was an impartation for healing. Since that time I’ve seen a dramatic increase in the number of healings. And the manifestation of angels in the healing process has been incredible; just a few days after that experience we were in Rio de Janeiro ministering in a very large church. And I was in the back room praying for a man that was dying of brain cancer; he was in mid-70’s they had performed surgery and they said there’s nothing more that they can do for him. And as we begin to pray for him I looked over to my right and I saw an angel bring his wings out; he was a very large angel and he put his wings around this man and held him real close. And I did a double take I looked at that and I looked again and beside that angel was a smaller angel and this angel was blowing fire into the man’s head. And I looked at that I couldn’t believe it and I looked at the man. It looked like a blow torch of fire was coming from the angel going right into the man’s head. So I stopped and I said “Is anything happening to you; are you feeling anything right now?” And he said “Oh, yes my head, my head.” He said “It’s burning up, my head it’s like it’s on fire.” And then he raised his hands and he said “I’m healed, I’m healed, I’m healed! And I said “Well, praise God” I said “I want you to go back to the doctor and get a medical verification of the healing. I don’t need to, I need to I’m healed I know I’m healed. And I encouraged him anyway to it doesn’t matter I want you to go back so that you have a medical verification of the healing. And so he said “Okay, I will, I will.” Well, he and his wife were both in the room; the pastor of the church told me before we went in that this man and his wife neither one of them knew Jesus. And so I was reminded of that right at the last; gave him a brief plan of salvation and I thought this is going to be the easiest person in the history of the world to lead to Jesus after all that God just did for him. And so I asked him “Would you like to invite Jesus Christ into your life right now?” And he looked up at me and he said “No.”
Gary: And that was my response; I said “No? What do you mean no?” And he said “Well, I don’t want to go to this church.” And I thought “What?” Well then he explained it; he thought if he got saved in that church he’d have to go to that church and he had some family members that went there and he didn’t want to go there. And I said “Oh, no you don’t understand we’re not talking about religion; we’re talking a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.” I said “You can go to whatever church you want to just go to a good strong Bible believing church that believes in miracles and healings and seeing the power of God displayed. And he said “Oh, okay then yes.” Well, he and his wife both prayed tears streaming down their face as they invited Jesus Christ into their lives. It was the most beautiful touching scene I’d experienced in a long time.
Sid: Are you seeing more people getting saved than ever before?
Gary: Oh yes, everywhere we’re going all around the world they see the power of God; their drawn to the power of God. They see the miracles, they see the transformed lives; they see people coming up on the platform sharing about what God just did to them.
Sid: In your book I’m so impressed with a meeting you had in Brazil when there was a man that had been a believer for a long time but supernaturally a weight of garbage and sin was removed from him and he had fresh intimacy with God; tell me about that.
Gary: Well, he came up on the platform to give a word of knowledge for healing and as he was standing on the platform the power of God hit him; he fell to the floor. He was shaking he was in a ball on the floor and the whole platform began to vibrate and I looked over at him and I thought; what’s happening to him he’s having an experience with the Lord. Afterward he began to share what had happened and he said “God took me up into His presence.” And he said “There were two large chains that were holding a chest full of garbage and sin, areas of my life that had not been pleasing to God. And he said “He took a sword and cut the chains and the chest fell off my back.” And he said “I felt such a tremendous relief from the weight and the bondage removed from me that I’d carried all of my life.” And then he said “Two angels took him over and washed him; washed all the dirt and the debris off of his back under a waterfall that was just flowing with rivers of water.” And then he said “He was taken by the angels back into the presence of the Lord.” And then God began to speak to him; and gave him a message that he wanted him to bring back to his people. We transcribed what he said “This is the message that I want you to tell my people; to tell them to wake up; tell them to wake up because many in my church are sleeping; there are many who go through the motion but few who have entered into intimacy and relationship with Me.” Now this is God speaking; he said “What I desire above all things is to have an intimate relationship with each one of you; and out of that intimacy I will empower you and send you out to reach those who need Jesus Christ. The quicker you enter into this relationship the quicker you’ll be empowered and sent forth; the quicker you do this the world will be one and then I will come and take you home.”
Sid: Gary the thing that is so amazing to me is this is the first book and your book is called “Open My Eyes Lord” that it is a practical how to. Most of these are just so theoretical and they happen to the person and I know it’s true because we’ve done our homework; but it’s not for the average person. Are you telling me the average person can walk in this kind of intimacy? Are you telling the average Christian can move in the supernatural miracle power of God. Is that what you’re saying?
Gary: Yes, that’s what I’m saying; this is not just for the apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor and teacher this is for the body of Christ. I believe this is God’s desire; his heart is for his people to come in intimacy with Him. And as we allow the Holy Spirit to deal with the garbage in our lives get free and go free from those areas that have not been pleasing to Him it opens up a whole new dimension of the Spirit for us. We can come into His presence just like this man did in Brazil. As God takes away the garbage out of our lives we can be drawn into that intimate relationship with Him.
Sid: Well, we’re out of time; Mishpochah I’m going to have Gary pray and impartation in prayer this week…
Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah, maybe the thermometer is going off the charts. Her name is Joan Hunter; I’m catching up with her in Dallas, Texas; her office is in Kingwood, Texas. Many of you may not be familiar with Joan, but all of you are familiar with her parents, and they’re known as the “Happy Hunters.” Joan I go back many years with your parents. They were probably the first people I ever saw minister that prayed for people and had what is called “Slain in the Spirit,” I think that is awful terminology, but we’re people that are overcome by the Spirit of God and fall over backwards. I remember going to a meeting with them, Joan, and they said “We can show everyone else how to do it too.” So they laid hands on people and then I got up there and I prayed for people and they fell over in the spirit. Then I have to tell 2 weeks later I tried it and they didn’t fall over in the Spirit. What happened?
Joan: Well sometimes when you… the anointing of God is just in a meeting for getting slain the Spirit, and sometimes it’s a part of your ministry, and sometimes it’s not. Now for me, I remember many many times through the years mom and dad would just go, you know wave their hand and then whoosh 50 or 500 would all get slain in the Spirit at one time. They would each hold one hand on each end of the aisle and the whole aisle would get slain in the Spirit. It was an awesome move of God to see that happen. I don’t know if you ever saw that happen, but they had… my dad would by people and they would just get slain in the Spirit. What’s interesting is that doesn’t really happen with me; people do get slain the Spirit, but it’s very very rare. I don’t necessarily push for it, so to speak, or encourage it because when I pray for the people, the people get healed. I want them to test it and to show themselves actually and test their healing, show themselves, show the congregation that they are healed. If they get slain in the Spirit then I go onto somebody else, and if I forget to go back and ask, and you know, they get going and nobody knows that they got healed, but it’s an incredible uplifting situation when you pray for people one right after the other, after the other, after the other, and they’re all healed.
Sid: That’s much more important to me rather than falling over. It seems to me we have a group of Christians that have been trained, and God forgive me if I’m stepping on toes in the wrong way but I don’t think I am, are trained to fall in the Spirit because you’re expected to, and all they do is fall and nothing really is happening to them.
Joan: We have a little cliché for that it’s called a CD, and that’s a courtesy drop. In comparison to somebody really really getting slain in the Spirit, as in comparison to expected to fall then they in turn… they are expected to fall so they do. Whereas, when the power of God overcomes you… many times when a person is really hurt in their heart and I have prayed for their heart to be healed, the majority of those people do get slain in the Spirit. Then we were talking earlier about, you know, if Charles or Francis can do it you can do it too. That’s how I feel because the scripture says “Those who believe are going to lay hands on the sick” it doesn’t say… in my Bible it says “Joan” because she believes she is going to lay hands on the sick and see them recover because my Bible was written for me, but it pertains to every single person who believes that they’re gonna lay hands on the sick and see them recover.
Sid: Joan, you were raised with healing is normal not the exception. Out of curiosity, I mean you spent ministry healing with your parents for over 30 years. You’ve probably seen more miracles than any Christian on earth just because you travelled with your parents. What type of… were you up front with them, or behind the scenes?
Joan: I was behind the scenes, but I was right there. Basically, I was the one that held up their arms and did a lot of the behind the scenes things so that they could actually be in the front and do the ministering. They wouldn’t have to worry about… you know they could rest between the services and things like that. Yet I was there on the platform with them literally around the world. Have seen at times when 50 people got out of wheelchairs, and the people that were in the wheelchairs were now raising their wheelchairs over their heads in praise to God to what God had done. Canes, you know, and blind eyes open, deaf ears open, and I mean by the thousands not just the hundreds, just thousands.
Sid: Now just out of curiosity, I’m sure because your parents teach it’s not just me, it’s whosever which is part of their calling. You prayed for people they got healed. Why didn’t you just run off in your own ministry? Why did you stay with them for over 30 years?
Joan: I think a lot of has to do with timing and different situations in our life. In preparation for that, I was… most of you who know my parent’s, mom is extremely strong willed and a very strong woman. My brother is bull-headed and strong and he’s about 8 years older than I am, and very very strong willed. So I was the quiet one for peace in the home. I was raised to be the quiet one, “Don’t say anything” I was encouraged by my teachers and my brother that what I had to say was worth nothing. So I just didn’t say anything. I would just do the work of the ministry and by going through different situations in my life it got me from behind the curtain up onto the platform, and it has taken many years of preparation to do that. Because like for example, if I went out 10 years ago I would not be as strong, definitely not as strong as I am now to be able to be out in the forefront, and to be in the front, to be the governess of a ministry and take it forth, and take it around the world.
Sid: How strong are you when someone walks up and they say “My doctor says I’m prone for a heart attack, I’ve had one before.” How strong are you when someone walks up like that to believe they’re going to be healed?
Joan: Well the hardest one is “I’ve had everybody pray for me. Oral Roberts, Charles and Francis,” you know, they go down a list which is a lot harder to pray for those people than it is if they had gotten a bad report from the doctor.
Sid: Hey it’s harder to pray for Christian than a non-Christian is my spin.
Joan: I agree with you on that in many areas. What happens is when people come and they want to be healed; for example like “I was told several years ago that I would not survive breast cancer.” I repented for any words that I had said that did not edify, exhort, or confirm, then I in turn cut-off the power of the word…
Sid: Woe wait a second. I have to stop you because you just said a mouthful. You had to repent for what?
Joan: The words that were not good.
Sid: How can someone do that because to be candid with you, we’re all trying to be better in that area, but it would take forever to repent of all the words someone has said, that were not edifying. So how does someone practically do this?
Joan: Well the word “all” is inclusive of everything and absolutely nothing. So I believe you can repent for all the words that you have said at one time. Then sometimes…
Sid: Hey such a deal I like that!
Joan: It is it’s great. Because see when I was diagnosed with breast cancer and I would not survive, my CPA said I would not survive financially. I might as well plan on filing bankruptcy, this, that and the other. About 5 years ago, because I repented for the words I had said through the years, then I in turn had the power to cut those words off that were spoken over me.
Sid: Now had you not repented for what you’ve done, then had the words eliminated, they’re called curses, word curses…
Sid: Over you, had you not and you had developed this breast cancer that the doctors gave you no hope for. Do you think you would have been healed?
Joan: I probably would have had a mastectomy.
Sid: Okay, so you repented for everything you did wrong. Now what did you do about the word curses that other people have spoken over you? You didn’t do wrong, they did wrong.
Joan: Right. At that point, for example, the doctor is saying “You’re not going to live.” Well because I repented of my words, I in turn was able to cut the power of those words off over me.
Sid: Now did you cut the power of by an intentional prayer, or just because of your own repentance it did it?
Joan: I believe that either one would work. It is better to verbalize “In the name of Jesus I cut the power of those words spoken over me. I will live and not die and declare the works of the Lord.” So for example that man you were talking about, that’s exactly what happened last night here in the house that I’m at. The guy I had him repent for words that were spoken over him that he had just gotten a doctor’s report. He’s supposed to have an angiogram this week, found out yesterday he had a heart problem didn’t know it been in perfect health. The doctor says “You’re gonna have a heart attack by the end of the week.” So we cut the power of those words off last night in the name of Jesus. All the high blood pressure left, the pain left, and it was incredible.
Sid: I’m going to tell you something else it’s about time that the very first ministry that Jesus talks about of what He was supposed to accomplish is to heal the brokenhearted. And I happen to believe just about everyone listening to my voice right now have had their heart shattered. And my guest John McTernan explained that’s what a broken heart is. In fact John, explain what a broken heart would look like in the invisible realm.
John: Again, it’s shattered it’s into splinters, a completely shattered Sid where there is no image of it left.
Sid: And most people that have a broken heart they don’t even know it because we humans we can adjust real easily and so therefore we make do rather than be free. I like freedom better, what about you?
John: Well Sid the Lord said in John 8:36 “If the Son therefore shall set you free you shall be free indeed.” And that verse I used to look at for years. And I say “Well, the gospel yes, sets you free but I was looking for that freedom from bondage. And Luke 4:18 fits it “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me because He has anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor, to heal the brokenhearted.” And once you tie in the healing of the brokenhearted to like “The Son therefore shall set you free and you shall be free indeed.” It all falls together. Many scriptures that were in the gospel to me were kind of loose end when I tie them into Luke 4:18. And another one Sid John 10:10 “The Lord said “I have come that you may have life and have it more abundantly.” Well before the Lord called me into this ministry if you had asked me “Well, what’s the abundant life that John 10:10 is talking about?” I would have told you “Well, peace and joy.” Which is true but that is sort of the result, not the cause. The cause is Luke 4:18 the gospel is preached I have eternal life through the gospel of Jesus Christ and my heart is healed. Isn’t that abundant life Sid to have the assurance of eternal life and to have your heart healed? Then to preach deliverance to the captives, there’ the abundant life. The recovering the sight to the blind, I’m no longer spiritually blind but I can see things; and to set at liberty; to set them free that are bruised. And so that is abundant life that the Lord came to give us.
Sid: There are people that I believe as you pray for them today they are going to start walking in the abundance that God has for them. Would you pray for those with broken hearts? I have to tell you I believe that John’s praying for everyone listening right now.
John: What I’d like to do is actually in two sections because I was thinking about this since you mentioned it on the last show. What I’d like to pray is that the Lord would reveal broken hearts to us. I needed it to be revealed. Now some people know that their heart is broken. But I had… the Lord had to supernaturally reveal to me that I had a broken heart and that was the cause of this inner lack of peace that I had. This inner something is wrong. So I’d like to pray first for that Sid.
John: Father, we bring before You all the listeners here. And it says in Your word that you came to heal the brokenhearted. But Lord so many of us have broken heart’s but we’ve covered it over, we’ve denied things. We have suppressed things may be taken Valium Lord or Prozac to try to sooth the pain of it. Father I’m asking now for those that are listening for those that have broken hearts that you would reveal to them that if they have a broken heart if they have it that any source of it. And that You would then begin to minister to them to heal that broken heart and to free them from the bondages that comes from having a broken heart. In Jesus Name I ask this.
John: It’s very important that we know that we have a broken heart.
Sid: You know I have to say that it’s a no brainer. I know that everyone’s heart has been shattered living as an imperfect being in an imperfect world what do you expect perfection?
John: Yeah, in my case it came from divorce that I grew up with and I didn’t know any better. So I had…
Sid: You thought that it was normal to live that way.
John: I thought that it was normal.
Sid: Okay, the second part of the prayer. Would you pray that?
John: Father, we bring before you those that know that they have a broken heart and Father Your remedy for that is forgiveness. Lord sometimes they have to forgive it’s very painful; it’s humanly impossible. Send your grace into that person’s life to give forgiveness because on the cross You said “Father forgive them they know what they do.” And You gave the ultimate forgiveness on the cross which through Your grace we can do also. And Father sometimes we have to forgive ourselves; You have forgiven us of all sin and there are sin’s Lord that we have committed that we find it hard to forgive ourselves. So Father, for that heart to be healed send to the people that you have forgive them, and that for them not to hold sin against themselves that you have forgiven. And Father sometimes people have grudges against you. And it’s impossible for a broken heart to be healed and have a grudge against you. So Father may the person repent of that and come to you and ask for forgiveness for the grudge against you. And then Lord, once forgiveness is there I ask in Jesus Name that those broken hearts Lord that have been literally shattered to pieces I ask the Holy Spirit according to Isaiah 61 to bind that broken heart. That these shattered hearts that it’s beyond human ability to heal it. There’s nothing on this earth that can heal a broken heart it comes from you that’s Your ministry in the spiritual realm. That you would heal these broken hearts, that the Holy Spirit would wrap the cords of his power around that broken heart and His love would cement it back together and that the heart would be healed and be made one and that they would be made singular. And Lord with that healed heart those things that were associated with a broken heart like fears and rejection and anger Lord and malice Lord and addiction to sins. Sometimes alcohol are associated with trying to heal a broken heart. Father that all of this people have victory in their lives. And Father I ask that as the heart is healed and all of this stress and all of this anger and the feeling rejection that the healing virtue would flow through them Lord. And that heart problems would be healed, that digestive problems would be healed. That autoimmune diseases would be healed as your healing virtues, Father mental problems, people taking anti-depressant drugs that they would no longer need those drugs as their heart is healed and the healing begins to physically manifest in their bodies. In Jesus Name I ask these things. Amen.
Sid: Well, the presence of God was so strong on this prayer, I believe so many wonderful things, I didn’t… you just happened to mentioned autoimmune disease. Are many people healed of autoimmune disease when you pray over them?
John: I’m starting to see that; I’m starting to see people who reject themselves and you know autoimmune is a rejection. The body is rejecting itself. And this is just what I’m beginning to see Sid, but I think in the spiritual realm as we reject ourselves; we have self-hatred that the body then begins to reject itself. So I have been praying that again when people come to Abba they see God as Abba according to Romans 8:15 that then the body realigns it’s self and as they no longer spiritually reject themselves that the body then begins to heal from this.
Sid: You know as far as I’m concerned you’re teaching on healing the broken heart and your supernatural prayers, they need the teaching and then they need the supernatural prayers. And then the tie in for the first time Christians can walk in the blessings of Abraham but if they have their theology wrong it’s another blockage that hits them it’s like a double blockage. They need a whole… they probably need a heart transplant let alone just the blockage… John this is such vital teaching that I just wish we had the time for people to hear this over the radio right now, I mean it’s essential end-time. There can be a blockage in your theology or a blockage because of a broken heart, but once these blockages are removed everything we read in the Bible it’s ours, it’s ours. And people are not going to have to cry out to God, “God, I believe Your word is true but it’s just not working in my life.” It’s because of the blockages that the river is not flowing. But once those blockages are removed devil watch out the end-time army is getting ready for the end-time move of God’s Spirit.