Sid: My guest, Joel Richardson, takes a subject that most Christians will readily admit they don’t understand the end times. They don’t understand the book of Revelation. They put the whole thing on a shelf. My guest has been raised up by God to make the complex mysteries simple. Joel Richardson, because tied in with the end times is the religion of Islam, there have been numerous death threats. I can’t even tell people where you live. Is that correct?
Joel: Yeah. I’m ok with the Midwest, but beyond that when people ask me where I am I say, “I’m in my secret bunker.”
Sid: Ok let’s get right to the meat. I am fascinated with the information you have on our president, our former presidents, especially Jimmy Carter, but let’s get to something even more important than that because they’ll get the CDs that you have. They’ll get the DVDs that you have. Tell me a bit, I’ve never heard of this before, this treaty that throughout Muslim history show a pattern of what went on but will go on in the United States. I can’t understand how you can know this. Our state department and our administration doesn’t know this, because if they knew what you are about ready to state publicly on the air, they would never be trying to orchestrate peace agreements with the Palestinians in Israel. Tell me a bit about this treaty.
Joel: The treaty that you mentioned is called the Treaty of Hudaybiyyah. Really what I often say is that if you want to have a basic understanding of Middle Eastern politics, and the Palestinian issue, you have to understand this treaty and it’s role in Islamic history. Unfortunately, our president administration has said, “The present issue in the world with terrorism is not related to Islam. It is merely a reaction against imperialism.” But again unless we get into Islamic theology, the religious doctrines of Islam, we’re going to miss this basic fact and it’s affect on the Middle East and not the only the Middle Eastern politics but Biblical prophecy. As the story goes, Mohammed had been kicked out of Mecca. He and his very small band of Muslim followers had moved to a nearby city of Medina, and Mecca was the religious capitol of the region. Every year the surrounding pagans would all make pilgrimage to Mecca to worship their various gods at the kaba (the cube in the middle of Mecca).
Sid: What do you mean “the cube in the middle of Mecca”?
Joel: The kaba is the shrine. The kaba in Arabic simply means “the cube.” It’s a black cube that is a building and that is literally the shrine that throughout the earth everyday 1.7 billion Muslims bow five times everyday towards Mecca. They pray toward the kaba, and that’s the shrine that sits in the middle of the haram sharif. That’s what they call the noble sanctuary in the middle of Mecca. During the time of Mohammed it was filled with idols so this was a shrine that was pre-existent to the religion of Islam. Mohammed told his small band, roughly a thousand people, that they were going to make pilgrimage that year. They were trying to self-fulfill this prophecy. They were approaching Mecca; they came to a place called the Spring of Hudaibiya. The most powerful tribe of the region was the Carashis. The Carashis stopped Mohammed and his men at the spring and really abused Mohammed in front of his men, mocked him quite a bit. They said, “No, you’re not going to make pilgrimage, absolutely not, but we will make a treaty with you.” This treaty has come down in Islamic history as the Treaty of Hudaibiya. They said, “From now on, if any of your men want to leave Islam, you have to let them go, but if any of our people want to convert to your group and become Muslims, you have to send them back. For the next ten years, we will have a ceasefire. You will not attack us; we will not attack you. Next year, well let you come back; you can make a pilgrimage.” The next day all of Mohammed’s men were really upset, because he was looking like a false prophet. Mohammed said that that night allah had given him a revelation. He said that this was a great victory because he realized that the most powerful tribe in the region had agreed not to attack them. Over the next two years, Mohammed began attacking a series of Jewish villages plundering, raiding, pillaging, and massacring these villages. He said to the people, “If you will join in these raids from now on, you get your percentage of the plunder, booty, women, and slaves.” Within two years as Mohammed became a pirate of the desert he went from a thousand men to roughly ten thousand. The Muslims were larger than the Carashis. He broke the Treaty of Hudaibiyah. He came and invaded Mecca. He conquered the Carashis, and he was now the undisputed leader of the entire region. Muslims today believe that Mohammed was the perfect man and perfect example for all Muslims to follow. Today all Muslim politicians and leaders, look to this example of making a treaty when you are weak in order to gain strength, in order to reload, in order to gain strategic dominance over your opponents.
Sid: Use a modern-day example of Yasser Arafat. How did he use that treaty?
Joel: This is going back to the eighties. Arafat had made a significant treaty with Israel. Many from the Israeli Left were very excited about this. They were talking about moving towards peace. Then Arafat was speaking before a group in South Africa. He spoke in Arabic. To the people in Arabic he said, “Listen as far I’m concerned, this treaty is just like the treaty that Mohammed himself engaged in with the Carashis. This is no more or less than the Treaty of Hudaibiyah. We will use this treaty in our onward march towards Jerusalem. What Arafat didn’t know was that someone was recording this speech. When it was translated, he was caught openly admitting that he had not literally entered into any desire for peace.
Sid: Fast-forward. President Obama, the state of Israel, and the Palestinians. What is going on when the Palestinians say, “We want a small portion of the land for ourselves”? Do you believe that for one minute?
Joel: They call it the two-state solution. This has been something that has been pushed from the Bush administration and the Clinton. Everyone’s failed. Obama’s picking up the baton, and he’s going for the two-state solution. He’s pushing the Israeli government to go for the same thing. Netanyahu is potentially open to discussing such a thing. Within the very charter of Hamas and all of the various political leaders even the Palestinian side of the West Bank they all have history of openly stating the fact that they want to see the annihilation of the state of Israel. So while they may enter into a treaty, on order to get confession in order to see Israel give confessions and come their way, their ultimate goal is always to see the destruction of Israel.
Sid: But wait a second. The U.S. will back Israel up. So they’ll never be able to get more than just the Palestinian state. Uh oh. Maybe that’s why our military is being weakened, and they know that.
Joel: Absolutely. There’s no question that those in Israel on the right who refuse to even discuss a two-state solution, who are determined to be strong to make Israel’s military strong in order to rightfully defend themselves, they are on the position of right. History has born out the fact that when you have a nation of people…..
Sid: But listen. Our state department knows what you’re saying. Why are they still proceeding forward? Our administration knows-whoops we’re out of time.
SID: Hello, Sid Roth here investigative reporter here with Jim and Carla Barbarossa. And Jim, before we get to this supernatural instrument, I want to find out more about you. You had a tragedy happen in your life. You were terminated from your employment because you had an early form of leukemia. Did they literally send you home to die?
JIM: Yes, they did after nineteen years of service,I was released and sent home. The doctors at Mayo Clinic where the diagnosis was made basically said you’ll never work again. And believe me, they do not pension you out of the factories and send you home to live for fifty years. They didn’t think I would last for very long.
SID: Carla, how did you take that?
CARLA: It was devastating. You know I didn’t know what to think you know we have four children and I was just…I had my faith in God but yet here’s this report and what do you do with this report?
SID: Okay, you had your faith in God, but Jim you didn’t have much of a faith in God.
JIM: None at all.
SID: How come?
JIM: You know, I was raised with religion, but I rebelled against God at about sixteen years old. I didn’t want nothing to do with church.
JIM: You know I really don’t know the fullness of it. I think a lot of it is I was just getting caught up in the life and the world.
SID: I think that was probably most of it.
JIM: The only God I knew though I pictured with a baseball bat; somebody who would keep you in line.
SID: Catholic background?
SID: Mines Jewish – I understand! (laughs) We’re from the same mold! Okay, but one day you got a disturbing call late at night – tell me about it.
JIM: It was about three o’ clock in the morning and Carla was asked to go babysit for a family of some friends. Their father had a heart attack and in the wee hours of the morning they were going to have to open him up and go back in again and she left. And as she went to babysit, I’m laying there and I hadn’t been to church in years or prayed in years; and I just said “God if you save this man, I will be in church on Sunday.”
SID: Why, why did you say this?
JIM: You know looking back on it; it had to be the Holy Spirit coming upon me.
SID: So did you honor your word?
JIM: Yes, absolutely and I went to Carla I said, on a Friday, and I said don’t make any plans for Sunday because we have something we have to do. I didn’t tell her what and I knew she thought it was some get rich money making scheme or something and I know I shocked her when we ended up going to church.
SID: Okay you’re in the church, what happens?
JIM: We’re sitting in the back pew close to the door in case the roof comes down. And as were sitting there the service is ending, and I saw something on people that I had never seen before. There was a genuine concern for me. There was a love that I had never seen. It was like these people accepted me, but they didn’t want anything from me. And I thought wow and I really didn’t want to go home, but we did and I said were going back. And the next Sunday we went back again. So here we are the second Sunday night and there was an invitation given to receive Jesus as Savior. And as I sat there I wanted to get up and it was like the bottom of my shorts, my pants were glued to the chair, the pew; I couldn’t move.
JIM: That’s how I felt. I tried to move I wanted to, but I couldn’t move. And I said “God if you want me, you are going to send somebody to get me.” And the lady in front of me turned around and said “Can I pray for you?” And the next thing I know I went up to the altar, I said “God I can’t live without you anymore” and repented of my sins and received Jesus as my Savior.
SID: But then you heard a near audible voice from God about your leukemia.
JIM: Well some months had passed and I was kneeling at a communion service, and as I knelt there, it wasn’t out loud but it was so vibrant and so clear. And the words were, “My son this night as you confess your sins before me, I wash them away with the blood that was shed for you on the cross, and with that same blood I’m now cleansing your diseased blood. Go back to the doctor – I have healed you. Went back to the doctor 6 weeks later; my son was just having his sports physical, and I said doc rerun the tests. “You’re wasting your time Jim.” “Doc, God said he’s healing me.” He said “I’m going to humor you.” He reran the tests, sent them to Mayo clinic. When he called me the diagnosis had come back. My blood was cleansed by the blood of Jesus. There was no disease, no sickness. Totally healed! 100%!
SID: I understand in addition to that you had a bonus – something else was healed. You had a tumor.
JIM: Well, I had lumps. As part of the blood disorder there were lumps and things all over the body. But you know I did have a major lump 6 months prior to that I was looking in the mirror. Looking at it and the scripture came to me. “It is finished. By his stripes you are healed.” And that evening people prayed for me and when I looked I opened my shirt the lump was gone; just totally disappeared.
SID: You know I believe that when someone receives a healing they have faith for others to be healed. They have extraordinary faith. How did you take that healing by the way, of your husband?
CARLA: I was just you know – bowled over.
SID: Did you know that God healed today like that?
CARLA: Not – no, I didn’t see it a lot so that was kind of like an awe; you know, an awesome stirring up of my faith more. I want to see more of that.
SID: But then – Carla had a dream! God told her that they were supposed to do something. Don’t go away we’ll be right back.
Sid: Wait a second, over 105 degrees temperature, they thought they just left you and you want to get up and dance with your wife in the hospital. Now, come on now, your wife must have thought you..We Jewish people have a Hebrew word: mashuga! Crazy!
Dave: Yes, I was definitely mashuga right there. I didn’t…but I heard him say it’s time to stand and it’s time to celebrate what I have said over you. So she finally agreed. I said, look if the nurse comes in and gets mad I’ll take it, so please do it. So she moved the bar and I got out of bed. I had this IV pole beside me I affectionately called her Matilda and so my wife and I and Matilda stood there in the middle of the room and we started to stand.
Sid: Let me get this straight Matilda is your IV.
Dave: My IV pole.
Sid: That is what I thought. Okay, go ahead.
Dave: Waltzing with Matilda. So there we were dancing in the middle of the room declaring this affliction will not come back a second time. I will not die but I will live and I will declare what the Lord has done. And with that we just felt we had done what he called us to do and I climbed back in bed. And peace came.
Sid: It is important to you to be obedient, isn’t it?
Dave: Oh yeah, even when it doesn’t make sense. There are some things that do not make sense. There are some things in the Bible that do not make sense. Go take your son up on the hill. The only son I gave you and sacrifice him. That does not make sense. But, there are things that the Lord will tell us to do.
Sid: Okay, you two are at a high now, I mean a real high. You’ve just seen the Lord, you’ve just recovered from your temperature of over 105 degrees, where you almost died. Your dancing with your wife and Matilda and three days later you come off the mountain because you have a ruptured appendix.
Dave: Yes, a ruptured appendix, happened in the middle of the night. And it happened at a time immediately following an extensive chemotherapy treatment and I was inoperable. My blood levels were so low that my blood wouldn’t clot and they could not operate on me and at that point they prepared me for the end. They said this is it. You are like a cat that used up nine of its lives and you are not going to pull through this one. We have no idea what to do, they began to talk to hospice to meet with me to give me care until I would die to manage my pain. It was quite a grave situation at that point.
Sid: So what do you do?
Dave: Well, we prayed like we had been doing, we trusted the Lord and continued to declare what he had told us.
Sid: So, in effect if you didn’t have the surgery and your body wasn’t ready for surgery so they couldn’t give it to you, your prognosis was what?
Dave: Was that it would end because a burst appendix creates lethal poison into the body and its a matter of a few days until someone would pass with a burst appendix.
SID: Hello, Sid Roth your investigative reporter of the supernatural, here with Kris Vallotton and were having fun; and that’s what we should. I hope you’re having fun with us too. Now Kris you were telling me about some students. you were going to give me an example of some of your students.
KRIS: Yeah, one of the things that we do for homework is we take the students, and once we’ve trained them, taught them how to hear the voice of God, taught them the different ways that the Holy Spirit speaks; because there is lots of dimensions to God’s voice. You know we talked about visions, and dreams, and the still small voice of God, and, and dark scenes and all kinds of ways that God speaks. We send them out into restaurants and into the community and we say to them, okay, when a waitress waits on you or a waiter waits on you, what we want you to do is we want you to get five words of knowledge for them. Now words of knowledge…
SID: Listen, one would’ve been enough! Five?
KRIS: Yeah, they have to write down five words of knowledge; they have a piece of paper with a little form; they write down five words of knowledge. Words of knowledge are some fact that you didn’t know except by the Holy Spirit. Now you could have known it some other way, but you didn’t get the information except for by the Holy Spirit. So they write down five words of knowledge, and then they interview person. Now they don’t say, “Well, God told me…they just say things like, do you, do you, do you, uh” Let’s say, they get she has three children; so they say to her “Do you have children?” “Yes I do.” “Oh, how many do you have?” “Well, I have three children.” “Oh, have you been to college?” “Yes.” “You didn’t go to Shasta College by chance, did you?”
SID: Right. It’s a test.
KRIS: In other words, we teach them to interview in a way that’s, you know, non-aggressive. And then they have to turn it in – to tell me how they did. And what happens is Sid, they’ll write down these words of knowledge. Several of them will get five right, they’ll go… “Miss…I wrote that down for you.” You cannot believe the impact it has on them.
SID: That has got to open their heart up for truth like nothing else could.
KRIS: Absolutely! Is that amazing?
SID: I want you to do something just as amazing; I want you to look in the camera right now, and just minister to the people.
KRIS: Good, let’s just take a chance to pray right here. Father, we thank you for what you’re doing right now and we thank you for the word that your about to give right now. And God, I thank you for the person who, who fell through a window; I saw a picture of someone falling through a window. And there’s physical ramifications for that; I don’t know if there was a suicide attempt because it feels like the spirit of suicide on you. And I feel like the Lord wants you to know he loves you and the enemy is trying to kill you; and it isn’t just your spirit that wants to die; because how many of you know that self- preservation is one of the greatest passions we have in life stay alive. But the enemy is trying kill you and you don’t even realize it but the spirit of suicide has been assigned to take your life; and it’s because the Lord has a great plan for you and he knows that if you understand your destiny; that your actually called to train and equip people and especially in the whole area of teaching. If you move into your destiny, then many people will turn to Christ through you. And he’s been trying to take your life ever since you were a little girl. And I just pray right now against that spirit, and I release the spirit of life and peace over you right now, and that God would redeem that destiny in you, and that he would heal your wounds, and that your wounds would actually become windows into another dimension in God, and I bless what God is doing in you in Jesus name.
SID: You know Kris, I believe that you have enough faith that whatever gifting someone has that it would be multiplied. Would you pray that there gifting would be drawn out and be multiplied right now.
KRIS: Yeah, and Lord I pray for that; I pray for that right now; that I just release faith the faith of God over people especially people in our nations, in the nations. And that God you would begin to give people faith that they began to move in signs, and wonders, and miracles, and prophetic ministry, and words of knowledge, and healing, and discernment, and gift of faith, and all kinds of miracles. Lord, I pray that you would pour your Spirit out like you said that you would in the books of Acts, and that your people corporately – all over the world – would begin to move in such a way that there can be no duplications of the miracle of God; because you do extraordinary miracles through your people. And it wouldn’t be one superstar, but your people would become superstars all over. The body of Christ would become princes in the earth. And I bless that in your people in Jesus name.
SID: And I tell you something else: someone’s toes are being healed right now. I don’t know if they are broken or if they have athletes foot. Whatever; as a matter of fact, it doesn’t matter. I am saying that anyone that has problems in their toes right now, you are being healed. And speaking of healed, I also heard this, is almost a pun: it’s your heel. Someone has a problem with their heel; you’re being healed, in your heel right now. Kris what is God telling you about the United States of America? Do you feel God showing you who will be the next president?
KRIS: The next president no; the Lord has given me some insight who will be a president in the next twenty years.
SID: Twenty years? So you think that we have a twenty year history at least? That’s good.
KRIS: You know, I believe the history of the United States is going to be good. I know a lot of people don’t think that is true. I believe were on the edge of the greatest revival in the human history.
SID: Me too! Now, do you believe this is the last, great revival or do you not know?
KRIS: I don’t know.
SID: And how close are we to it?
KRIS: You know, I think that depends on…you know how in Revelations, how it says that we hasten, we hasten the coming of Christ? I believe that there are epics; in other words there are seasons in which God deals with the planet in a certain way, in a certain dimension; but I believe that we the body of Christ have a lot to do with the frequency in the visitations. Do you remember Mary, she says Jesus, she says “They’re out of wine.”
And Jesus says you know well “It’s not my time,” and she says “Whatever he says to do, do it.” Jesus is saying hey this isn’t time for revival. And she says, well, I think that it is; and she actually causes the timing of the God to fast forward.
SID: How would you like that in your life? How would you like the timing of God to fast forward? Whatever he says – do it. Believe that you are walking in the spirit of revival. Believe that you are his sheep, you know you are; and he says His sheep hear his voice. Just with what you’ve heard in this television show, I believe that you can walk in a new dimension. Just with the prayers that Kris prayed for you, you will walk in a new dimension. Someone’s back has just been healed. And you know, every time I have a word of knowledge, someone says “I wish he would have a word for my condition!” Guess what? I’ll tell you a trade secret: you can get healed whenever a word of knowledge is spoken, because that means the invisible has come into the visible. Take it! Just pull it out of the invisible realm for yourself. Do that right now and you could be healed of anything. Why? Because our Messiah took every pain and every disease and every sin and every hurt and every fear on himself in Jesus name, be healed!