Sid: Getting ready Mishpochah to activate the gifts of the Holy Spirit the gifts that have been pent up within you. It’s almost like the parable in the Bible of manthat buried his talents in the dirt because he said “You’re a tough taskmaster God” and he never used them. And as I’m concerned 21st century American Christianity had buried their talents in the dirt. And there’s a few super stars; the TV super stars; the radio super stars; but we only have one Superstar and His Name in Hebrew is Yeshua, in English Jesus. My guest is Tim Enloe and I am so excited because little over 30 years ago I became a Jewish believer in the Messiah and I came in on the wings of the move of God’s Spirit which was called the Charismatic Movement. I’ll tell you something it is dead, dead, dead bad news. But the good news is that we are about ready to see the greatest move of God’s Spirit in history. And it’s time for a new generation to get activated. Tim I want you to take me into a teaching session you have just taught on being born again; on the baptism of Holy Spirit. The whole congregation enters in and they’re all praise God in unknown tongues. What happens next with this whole group of people? Pick one person out and tell me what’s going to happen in their life.
Tim: Well, I think that the most important part of understanding the baptism of the Holy Spirit goes on beyond the moment of receiving and beginning to speak in that new language. That’s really just the beginning and that’s really just scratching the service. And I think that so many people don’t experience the fullness of what the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is all about because their expectations stop there. But that’s just the beginning it’s not a destination it’s a gateway; it’s an entry point into a new Spirit empowered Christianity. So I just share with people “Okay, now you received this beautiful gift, you’ve sensed the Holy Spirit coming upon you and begun to partner with the Holy Spirit and speak out those new words that God Himself has inspired to you. Words just like Paul said you don’t understand. Now understand that same Spirit that moved upon you and prompted you with words you do not understand He will keep that cable connected from God’s hard-drive to your peripheral device; to your mouth. God will now inspire your speech.” You know Peter on the day of Pentecost his explanation for the Baptism of the Holy Spirit was “Spirit on flesh causes prophecy” right; “In the last days God says “I’ll pour out My Spirit out on all flesh and your sons and daughters will prophecy; your young men will see visions; your old men will dream dreams; and even on my servants both men and woman in those day I will pour forth of My Spirit and they will prophecy.” Well I think that for so long we’ve had such a spooky idea of what prophecy is. We think that it’s some grumpy long bearded scowling face coming in with a bathrobe and a staff into the middle of our congregations. And saying you know “Ichabod, ichabod sayeth the Lord.” This terrible condemning thing but this most simple definition of prophecy means to speak forth. And of course in a Biblical concept it means to speak forth words that are inspired by God. So when the Lord spoke to me several years ago when I was praying and asking God for some more truth on the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. And my main question to the Lord was “How does tongues fit in?” I know Biblically it’s what we expect is our sign that we have received this gift and I know that after the fact we can pray in the intercessory language of tongues “Praying in the perfect will of God.” Romans 8:26 and 27. I know that it’s a language of worship like Acts 2 says “We hear them declaring the wonders of God,” that language of the Spirit declaring adoration and worship to God. All those different facets but the Lord spoke something to me that has really changed my understanding of the Baptism of the Spirit. I believe that the primary function of the language of the Spirit speaking in other tongues is confidence. Because when we’re baptized the Spirit we begin to speak God inspired words in a language in which we do not understand. This is what the Lord showed me. That if I could trust God to lead me to speak in a language in which I do not understand; how much more then can I trust Him to lead my known language to minister to someone else it’s the same operation. Me speaking God inspired words, the language is irrelevant; God knows all languages being the Omniscient Creator God of the Universe.
Sid: You know in the New Testament it says to pray that we prophecy and most people when they read that they think they they’re going to be, as you pointed out, a Jeremiah or someone like that. But basically what you’re explaining is that they’re going to be able to witness with this prophecy.
Tim: Isn’t that one of the most powerful dimensions of the Holy Spirit moving upon us is that we lay hands on the sick and they recover, but that we speak forth words that go beyond physical recovery that come to spiritual recovery. When Peter he had spoken in that language of the Spirit, those unknown languages there to him at the moment, but the onlookers understood; different parties understood the language that that had been spoken. It caused them some spiritual curiosity you know signs make you wonder right. And then all of a sudden now Peter turned that around; he trusted in God. He kept that cable connected. The language just changed; he got around someone that didn’t know Jesus and opened his mouth and began to speak and all of a sudden that same Spirit that had inspired him to speak in some unknown language to him was now guiding him to speak in the common everyday language of the people present. And they were cut to the heart. What I share with people after receiving the baptism in the Holy Spirit is make sure you take the Holy Spirit home with you. You might be going home to a family that doesn’t know the Lord; you might be going home to a marriage that spiritually split down the middle. You might be going home to family or friends or working environment that hostile even to the things of God. We can prompt all of our own words what we think would operate best; you can follow the Romans road and the 4 Spiritual Laws and those are wonderful tools. But there is something different about a few God inspired words; they can change a circumstance. A great example of this is some time ago a dear friend of ours that has been very very closed to the gospel; very closed to the things of God. I’ve tried to witness to him for years literally through many different ways. And even sometimes perhaps in confrontational ways trying to share the things of God because I’m so compassionate about his soul. I mean “God is willing that none shall perish.” And He wants to help us but for some reason when it came to this man’s case it’s like what you mentioned earlier I think it was yesterday I tried to engage his brain trying to convince him through proof and through evidence and through archeology and all of these things. I was trying to show him that Jesus was real. And “Hey, we found Caiaphas’s tomb” and this is (Laughing) real and this is fact. And you know the Lord spoke to me one day “That I had 24 hours to get in front of him and not speak my words but speaks God’s.” And this was coming from a person that’s been baptized in the Spirit since I was 12; a person that teaches other people that you need to flow in that language of the Spirit so that it will bring confidence for God to guide you in the known language. This is how easy it is to get even personally distorted and miss the point. I got in front of him that day and I sat down and as I opened up my mouth 3 words came out from God and he immediately broke down and cried and he gave his life to the Lord. Three words from God; it took… it totally turned the tables on what had taken me years and years and years of my own effort. “Not by might, nor by power but by My Spirit.” When you receive the baptism in the Spirit trust God to guide you in your own language. Get alone with an unbeliever and get one on one with him; begin to talk to him; begin to care about them. And then begin to trust in the Holy Spirit to guide your known language to minister to the needs of their life.
Sid: You know one of the things that’s so amazing to me is that the whole idea of being baptized in the Holy Spirit speaking in unknown tongues in particular is now confined to the pastor’s office or a backroom. Why has tongues been taken out of the church? What are they so afraid of? What is this fear going on with tongues?
Tim: There’s one word, pride, nobody likes to look stupid. I’ll never forget the Lord spoke to me several years ago. I was getting ready to pray for someone in a way that I was very uncomfortable in praying for them. I really felt like it compromised my dignity; so I had a little pow-wow with God before I prayed for them. I said “Lord I really am uncomfortable in praying for this person in this way because I feel like you know it’s going to make me look stupid. I believe in praying honest prayers.” The Lord just prompted my heart with the understanding that I didn’t need His help to make myself look stupid, that I did a fine enough job without Him myself.
Tim: That instead obeying God wouldn’t make me look stupid obeying God, obedience always brings anointing. And you see we’re so afraid of losing what other people; how they perceive us; we’re afraid of losing our dignity. And really dignity if really a euphemism for pride; and I believe that many churches today they have so much at stake they have multi-million dollar buildings and big mortgages and all kinds of programs. And they’re afraid that if they allow this to go out front they’re going to drive people away.
Sid: It’s called “Fear of man.”
Tim: The Bible says “That it’s exactly the opposite.” Tongues are a sign for the unbeliever like on the day of Pentecost it stirs a spiritual curiosity. I don’t know about you but the first time as a child I ever heard someone speaking in tongues I sat frozen. I’ll never forget that I sat frozen there saying “What in the world is going on?”
Sid: Listen as a Jewish person that was a nonbeliever in Jesus the most exciting thing that I saw was someone being able to speak in a language that they had never been instructed. I was fascinated with it as a nonbeliever!
Tim: That’s exactly right and that same awe, there’s an awe of God that comes through signs and wonders of which tongues speaking vocally inspired words from God. Paul talked about that primary way Paul talked about that prophetic utterance. Paul said “I want you all to prophecy,” in 1st Corinthians chapter 14. Speak forth God inspired words that are edification, exhortation and comfort. And this is the entry point; the baptism in the Holy Spirit is the entry point in connecting that cable from God’s inspiration to our mouth.
Sid: You have been going for awhile now talking about just creating an appetite to speaking in unknown tongues; to being lead by the Spirit of God to prophesying. But I want to dwell on is this area of tongues; why is it so important? It’s… let’s be candid Tim it’s controversially you don’t want to talk about religion or politics with new people it’s too controversial. Of course I don’t know anything else that’s as interesting myself.
Sid: But seriously speaking I have had pastors that are Spirit-filled say “We don’t have tongues in our church because we’re more for the whole area than just the Charismatics.”
Tim: Well, that’s like eliminating any Biblical doctrine. You really get in dangerous territory; now of course there are essential Christian doctrines essential believers…
Sid: I’m looking at my brother Jeff Burke and I’m thinking about all the things that he went through. Jeff was called into the ministry at 21; he was a Baptist preacher at 21 years of age. He comes from a family; he father was a minister. But he didn’t see the supernatural; he didn’t see what he read in the New Testament. And he thought; maybe it’s all fake and his father said “Well, but these people called Pentecostals, Charismatic’s they speak in tongues and they seem to have miracles but tongues isn’t of God so we’re going to not touch that.” So eventually Jeff left the ministry; he got involved in witchcraft; got involved in drugs and he thought his power was making him very successful and he did rise up to quite a level of success in the business world. Then his parents get Spirit-Filled and start praying together for Jeff and praying in unknown tongues. Make a long story short the bottom fell out with Jeff he lost everything. He tried to commit suicide he couldn’t even do that. On the same night he took a whole bottle of sleeping pills; his mother was praying for him. And he could not could he not only die, he couldn’t even fall asleep with a whole bottle… he was up for 2 days. And a voice said for him to return home when he had nowhere to go and he called his dad and his dad picked him up and he returned home. And then he got a book on praising God and he started trying to praise God and he heard the demonic voices. He didn’t know what to do about it; he went to his parents his parents set up a deliverance meeting. He went to a place that were supposed to be expert in deliverance. He didn’t know that they had only prayed for one other person before him. And they started praying for you Jeff and what happened?
Jeff: When they sat me down and began to pray for me one of the things I knew the most and remember the most my face changed; it just changed…
Sid: It just got distorted.
Jeff: And out of the corner of my mouth this huge cloud of smoke came. And…
Sid: Did anyone else see this smoke?
Jeff: Oh yeah; both of them saw it and they both said “Wow, did you see that?” And again this is only the second time and so but they took me through the whole thing and there was 26 manifestations that happened during that time.
Sid: So 26 demons left you.
Sid: That’s a lot.
Jeff: That is a lot.
Sid: There’s no wonder you had difficulty functioning. Now when all of those demons were gone; what was going on inside of you, how did you feel Jeff?
Jeff: Well, they stood me up and they said “How do you feel?” And I said “Well, I fell like somebody scrubbed me with a brush on the inside.” You see it’s like a wire brush and it scrubbed; and I’d been scrubbed really clean. And I said “I just feel really clean on the inside of me and they said “Well, the house has been swept clean so we’re going to pray.” So they prayed for me to be filled with the Holy Spirit and I was.
Sid: Did you speak I unknown tongues?
Jeff: I did speak in tongues, yes praise the Lord.
Sid: You know Mishpochah, that’s the mercy of God. And here remember he had such a desire to move in the power and the supernatural of God. And no one was willing to show him the truth so he ended up in a lie and almost lost his life. I tell you you would have died hadn’t your parents hadn’t prayed for you.
Jeff: I most definitely think I would have.
Sid: When did the real gifts of the Holy Spirit start operating through you? Tell, me the first time you realized that God was using you?
Jeff: Well, praise the Lord we went to a prayer meeting and there was a little girl that was 11 years old that had moved in her life. And my heart something rose up and she had a foster mom; because nobody else wanted her. And I said “Do you mind if I pray for the little girl?” And she said “Oh no.” So we prayed for this little girl that had never moved in her life her mom got up and walked across the room and she picked her head up and turned her head and followed her all across the room. This little girl that had never moved 11 years old; that had been fed like a baby had been fed with a bottle ever since she’s been born. And all of a sudden she had moved for the first time in her life. And my heart was in a place where I’m going that’s the greatest, if I may say it this way, “That’s the greatest high I’ve ever experienced; no drug ever gave me that.” Inside my heart I’m going “Wow, if God can do; if God can do that then there’s other things that He can do.” And so He began to do amazing things; amazing things. One of the things that happened is I had a need for $420 that I had to go to court and pay. But the Lord spoke to me He says “Don’t ask anybody for this” He said “I’m just going to show you I’m going to make provision.” And so I went out and got in the car and when I went out and got in the car and I put it in reverse I felt like I’d gave the Lord plenty of time to do something.” So I said “I got to go.” And I only had a quarter of a tank of gas, or very little gas. And so I’m backing out and pull out of the driveway; the man was running down the sidewalk and he comes running up and knocks on the door on my window. So I rolled my window down and he said “Jeff forgive me God told me to bring this to you this morning.” And so he hands me an envelope. And so he turns and leaves and I open up the envelop and there’s $420 in there. Now I only had $6 in my pocket; so I put the $6 in gas and so I drove 150 – 200 miles to the town where I had to go to. I went in and I actually paid the $420 that I needed. When I paid what I needed to pay and I started back and I look and I’m setting on empty and I said “Lord, how am I going to get home” I said “But you’re the same God that got me here can get me back.” And so I began to pray; I said “What would you like me to pull over and somebody come knocking on my window?” He said “No.”
Sid: Your totally believing now. (Laughing)
Jeff: So He said “Just look at you gas hand.” So I looked at my gas hand it was setting on E and it went from E to a ¼ of a tank.
Sid: There are people listening to us right now and their saying “You’re making this up; because those things don’t happen to them” But you know what Jeff, I believe what you’re describing is normal Bible Christianity. And what they’re describing is nothing more than dead tradition.
Sid: I have to tell you; you really provoke me to jealousy the way God tells you even specific people’s names. Give me an example.
Jeff: I was in Homer, Alaska and sitting there and I saw a little girl she was about 17 years old. She was sitting by a lady and the lady turned out to be her mother; but the mother was a hold up a child. But God spoke to me and He said “This is her child.” And she’s moved from Oklahoma because the child is born out of wedlock. And she’s come so that her parents could help her raise the child. He spoke to me and I said “Lord I don’t want me to call that out publicly.” And He said “No son, this is what I want you to do; I want you go and tell her that Aaron is not an accident; and He really will thunder.” And I said “Well, Lord it sounds strange but I’ll go for it. And so I went to her and and I said “Mam look, the Lord told me to tell you this that Aaron is not an accident and that He really will thunder.” Now she came to me after the meeting was over and she said “Brother Jeff I moved here from Oklahoma and she said “I really moved so that my parents could help me raise my child because the child that my mother’s holding is my child.” He was born out of wedlock; she said “It’s so good to know that he is not an accident because his name is Aaron. And God said “That Aaron is not an accident.” But she said “Brother Jeff you know what the special thing is; she said I named him a very very unusual middle name.” She said “His middle name is Thunder.” And God said “Aaron’s not an accident that he really will thunder.”
Sid: Now Jeff there’s no way that could be a probability. There’s no the devils going to do that to give encouragement to Christians. It’s got to be so exciting for God to use you like that.
Jeff: It’s always a blessing.
Sid: I mean you literally can change someone’s destiny; their life; everything.
Jeff: Thank you.
Sid: Now when you hear these things are they thoughts or is it like an audible voice. Is it a picture?
Jeff: I call it kind of like a ticker tape. It’s like God will give me one word; maybe a name or one phrase or even sometimes I do see a picture. And when this happens it’s like this tape begins to run and I’m like seeing what God is saying. So I’m speaking what’s on this tape. That’s the closes way I know how to describe it.
Sid: Have you ever done this publicly and it was either wrong or people didn’t say someone’s name was there?
Jeff: I was in a place in Malaysia and I felt like God gave me name called Paris. And so I said “Paris; whose Paris.” And of course nobody responded and so as nobody responded and so I just kind a left it there. And afterwards this man comes up to me and says “Well, I think maybe you just pronounced it differently than I would pronounce it.” And so I spelled it and he said “Well, that’s my name but I pronounce it Parees” and so then was able to minister to him the things that God told me to minister to him.
Sid: Now Jeff beyond that which was that you just pronounced it wrong have you ever been wrong on a name or something like that?
Jeff: At this point I haven’t that I know of.
Sid: Well, that sounds good to me. I want you to open yourself up to minister on tomorrow’s broadcast.
Sid: Well my guest David Herzog he is I don’t know what’s stronger than red hot, he maybe white-hot (Laughing) for the Messiah. But David you just got back from Finland and you said the glory of God was at a higher level than you’ve ever seen it in that nation before. Tell me what’s going on.
David: Yeah, its the national move of God on the verse of an awakening that’s happening everybody knows about it in the church. Lutheran, Baptist, Catholics… I mean secular we get the whole country live to the whole country but the glory was so thick. Not just the miracles and the signs and the salivations; that was all awesome but there was such a level of glory. It changed my life; I’ve been doing this for over 20 years and I’ve been wrecked for God in a good way since this trip. And the love of God on a level we’ve never experienced before.
Sid: Now when you say the love of God what do you mean?
David: Supernatural love was so strong for God and one for the other. It was like oozing out of everybody on the team. We were on this bus traveling every day 6 hours a day hitting different cities, tearing down, going to the next city. And it was like the book of Acts, literally it felt like we would be willing to die for one another and for the Lord. It was such an intimacy with the Lord that it spilled over into relationships. I think that was one of the huge keys, besides of course that they love Israel. A lot of government officials love Israel, the church love Israel. So it was like all of the elements were there unity, love miracles, Israel, sacrifice. No one was doing it for their own self; it was like the book of Acts no one thought anything was their own they just did it for the Lord.
Sid: Well David this is the first interview we’ve done in awhile and I can sense on the radio the level of glory is stronger than the last time. I guess you just got the overflow from just getting back from Finland. Now the reason that I’m interviewing you is we’ve put together a package called “The Power and the Glory Package.” The reason we did this is I want everyone to walk in the glory of God. Kind of bottom line David; what’s the advantage of people walking in the glory of God as opposed to the way that they are right now?
David: Well a lot of people run off just their gifting or their anointing and they get burned out jut doing their gift and their anointing. Their pulling it from, I call it “Their battery within,” you know they charge up their own little spirit man. But the glory you’re actually accessing it from heavens realm, you’re not just depleting your own reserves. So it’s like basically like Peter. He’s walking down the street and his shadows healing the sick; he’s not necessarily one and one pushing to get each person delivered or healed. But you live in such a realm of heaven’s glory that God’s hand starts to get stretched out on people without you lifting a finger. It’s just a whole another dimension.
Sid: Alright if someone was to mention to you “Oh come on now David you have a special gift everyone can’t just move in that special gift” what would you say?
David: No they can, everybody can have that. The glory is for everybody that’s believer once you’re a believer you have access to it. Just a lot of time “My people perish for lack of knowledge,” they don’t understand how to live in it. That’s why we’re talking about it and writing books and traveling. And once they live in it it’s almost like they’re born again again; it’s like a whole new dimension of God that they never knew that their whole Christian life gets exciting again. Or maybe it got dull in routine; it’s like every morning they can’t wait to wake up and just be with God and see what He’s going to do.
Sid: Now, in the glory some very unusual things have happened. It’s seems as though that once the glory invades a meeting or you walking in a mall, whatever you say it happens instantly. Give me an example.
David: Okay, yeah look like in our meetings for instance and just when the glory’s very high I’ll begin to give words of knowledge and usually the moment I speak the word instantly. Like we had blind eyes open, deaf ears; just someone is getting healed of this bomb, bomb, bomb and it starts to happen. Or in the store; I’m in the grocery store here in Sedona and I’m buying something at the health food store and the lady goes “Oh, my backs hurting.” And I go “Really, hey let me pray for you.” She didn’t ask who I was or anything, I didn’t lay hands on her I just spoke to the back and I said “In Jesus Name back be healed.” And you could hear the bones start to crackle and everybody freaked out and the baggers that were bagging the groceries ran and the other aisles ran to see what was going on. And she said “How did you do that that’s amazing.” And I said “I didn’t Jesus did it and he’s the highest power source.” And she said “Well, in this town everyone worships something but we don’t see stuff that easy, that fast; and you did it nonchalantly like casually like it was no big deal.” So the higher the glory the easier things like this begin to happen.
Sid: I happen to believe that this is God’s moment for a spectacular outpouring of His Spirit, but people that are not equipped to walk in the glory are going to be like. They’ll be on AM and God’s on FM and we want to switch everyone to the God channel. So David why when you understand the glory are you concerned about proper nutrition? We entitled the package “The Power and the Glory.” The glory we understand; the power is your new book called “Jump Start Your Way to Healthy Living.” The miracle of super-foods; new weight loss discoveries, anti-aging techniques. I mean I’ve never seen one book so jamb packed. Now I’m all in favor of alternative health I take vitamins and I believe in this, but why you you’re walking in such glory why would you be doing this type of thing?
David: I noticed over the years I’ve been doing this over 20 years. As you get older which we all are your bodies start to get a little sluggish and I noticed that when I’m tired and I don’t feel in shape physically it does affect me spiritually. Because I can’t pray as long, I can’t travel to certain places I want to go; I want to go to the jungles and I can’t. And I want to be able to do all things and there is… and a lot of the Bible does talk about your health. And so all I noticed was when I start changing my health not only do I feel better physically but something in my spirit begin to open up. I can’t explain it other than that. As I line up my spirit with my spirit on the same level more things began to open. Kind of like Daniel when he went on that vegetable fast for 21 days he was walking in a level of God but when he did that it propelled him into another dimension of God’s Glory and visitation.
Sid: Well I’ll tell you what I love about your new book you cover everything in that in one book. And there’s so many things I want to ask you questions about, but something very few people have ever heard of and that is you talk about body cleanses. What is that?
David: Well a lot of times over the years if you live in America you eat foods that are really toxic, and hormones in the meats, and pharmaceuticals, and a lot of that stuff stays in your body for like years and years and years. And so a lot of times people can start eating healthy or raw diets or organic but it’s kind of like the pipes are blocking the pipes; you got to clear the pipes first. So I know people that try to lose weight but they’ve got like years of fecal matter in their intestines and their colon so they need to cleanse first to get all the junk out. And then the body starts flowing normally, you eat fruit or you eat vegetables or whatever you eat.
Sid: But there are people listening to us right now and they say “I don’t want to do that!” What would you say to them?
David: Well, it’s your choice; but some people won’t live as long because of that. Most sickness I’ve heard it said before, it happens in the colon. A lot of stuff happen in the colon; a lot of minister I know even in the glory supernatural die really young because they are not healthy. And I asked the Lord about this and I said “How can that be?” And the Lord said they obeyed my spiritual laws so I move in their meetings, but My physical laws of rest, food and health which are in the word. It’s like the law of gravity you jump off the building you fall.
Sid: Well, in my opinion I used to lay hands on people I would get a word of knowledge and I would say everyone with a back problem come up. And I would lay hands on people and almost everyone would get healed. But every once and a while I would lay hands on someone that was grossly overweight and I can tell you what I thought I didn’t say it; but what I thought is “God’s going to heal you but I believe tomorrow you’ll still have a problem unless you lose the weight.”
David: Exactly, you can get miracle but now God wants us to maintain our health and not every year half to come back for the same problem. So it’s one thing to get a miracle; it’s another thing to keep your miracle and that’s kind of what the books about.
Sid: Now you talk about super-foods that give power and energy. Tell me there’s one that you talk about that intrigues me, the avocado.
David: The avocado is a really; it’s like my friend. (Laughing)
David: The avocado is wonderful because it gives you a satisfied feeling. A lot of people they’re hungry and they say “Oh, I need more meat, I need more protein.” A lot of times you’re just craving the healthy fats. You eat an avocado and a lot of times you don’t have that same craving for a lot of meat. And it’s an amazing food; it clears your skin, it helps with your cholesterol levels. It does so many things that’s in the book that explains. And a lot of people that are on raw diets or vegetarian diets they realize that avocados are one of their friends. It helps them to maintain a healthy diet.
Sid: You know I was talking to a friend of mine that’s a medical doctor and he said that God gave us an amazing body. If we would just change the way we eat we would have energy, we would not have stress, we would not be overweight, we would not… I mean he says that “If you change your life style enough you won’t have cancer, you won’t have heart trouble.” I mean your whole body starts operating the way God wanted it to.
David: Oh it’s amazing, I mean like in the book I have a 21 day diet, when they start doing it. The start doing the juicing, they start doing the raw foods and different kinds of foods depending on where they’re at. Even like within the first 24 hours people start feeling amazing physically. Their skin clears up, they do it for 3 days and start dropping the weight. Then something happens in their spirit man; when they start losing weight, losing the toxins somehow spiritually there’s something that opens up and they get more excited about God. They want to start praying; kind of like when you go to a nature place; let’s say you’re from New York, and then you’re in Colorado in the mountains you feel more spiritual when you’re in God’s creation that God created. When you eat natural healthy raw foods something also happens, you feel different than just eating toxic…
Sid: Whoa, whoa, whoa our time is slipping away and I’m so interested in what David speaking about.
Sid: My guest by way of telephone at his home in Atlanta, Georgia is Dr. Howard Morgan. I’m interviewing him on his “Leaves from the Olive Tree.” I’ll tell you something Howie I know your heart and your heart is love and God’s kingdom.
Dr. Morgan: Amen.
Sid: I believe we are touching on such nerves right now.
Dr. Morgan: Yes.
Sid: I’ve got to pose a question to you. There are some churches, not many, but there are some churches that are really equipping the saints for the work of ministry. They take people out into shopping malls, they witness, they get people saved, but they have zero understanding of Israel, the Jewish people, they just think that’s just another nation, or worse the church has replaced them. But they are discipling, they are equipping, what would you say to them?
Dr. Morgan: Well I would say to them this thing about Israel is not a human thing. I would say to them “Let’s go back and see what the prophets and what Paul particularly wrote in Romans chapter 11. We always start with Ephesians 2 and Romans chapter 11, and say “Has God rejected His people which He foreknew?” No! Then we go right through about God’s call upon the church, as we said in an earlier broadcast about the call of the church to provoke natural Israel to spiritual jealousy. How God has called the church to the Jew first then to the nations, and how God is going to restore what He is doing. Restoring the land, restoring the people and the essential key in all of this is that the Jewish people coming to faith in Yeshua is the final end last event before the trumpet is blown and Messiah returns. Because He said “You’ll not see me again until you say ‘Blessed is He Who comes in the name of the Lord.’” So if the Jewish people, who Paul writes “If their rejection of Messiah meant riches for the nations watch how their receiving of the Messiah be but life from the dead.” If we want to see life from the dead, the resurrection, if we want to see the Lord Jesus return we have a responsibility Biblically to provoke natural Israel to spiritual jealousy, that’s why we’re raising up disciples – spirit filled disciples who can move in love and power. So we can say to our Jewish friends, and our Jewish relatives “Look at what your Messiah has done in my life. Look at what your Messiah has done in their life.”
Sid: Okay flip-side is we know about the blessings, we know about the call. Romans 11:11 says “Salvation has come to Gentile [literally] to provoke the Jew to jealousy.” So that is literally turning their back on their God given call. What is the judgment that might come on a church that might be in replacement theology, or just ignoring it?
Dr. Morgan: It’s written right there in Romans 11, where Paul writes “If you become arrogant against the branches, you will be cutoff because it is their roots that support you.” That cutting off is exactly what happened Sid, they were cut off from the anointed roots, the anointing stopped flowing, the signs and the wonders and the miracles stopped flowing. The whole Greco-Roman world view and philosophies came into the church. The church became institutional, it became theatrical, it became manipulative, controlling, and power hungry, and political. It stopped evangelizing and raising up disciples. It stopped mentoring new people, it stopped everything that the Bible says that the church is supposed to do and became another religion that we have Christianity, and I…
Sid: Okay I have wrote a book on this subject, you have written a book on this subject it’s in the wind. If there’s something new coming I call it the One New Man, or the One New Race, coming from Ephesians the 2nd chapter.
Dr. Morgan: Right.
Sid: Describe to me what the Bible says this new vehicle called the “Body of Messiah” or the “church” which is not the building it’s the people.
Dr. Morgan: Yes.
Sid: Should look like, should function. How should it function?
Dr. Morgan: It looks like the tribes of Israel worshipping the God of Israel around the fire of God. It looks like that anointing flowing through everybody’s life; it looks like people loving each other, helping each other grow; it looks like people doing works of service; it looks like people listening to the Holy Spirit, words of knowledge, words of wisdom being common place, signs and miracles being common place that this is the children’s bread. How common is that? Jesus said “The children’s bread is healing” and everything the promises of the New Testament for the river of God that it is not a trickle or a drop here or there, but literally a river of living water flowing through our lives. We’ve got to move away from the system of going to the service to coming into a family environment. Father’s raising up their sons and daughters to do the work of the ministry. Parents relating to one another, elders sitting at the gate, oh Sid, elders sitting at the gate of a city where there is one church in the city. “We’re not competing, we’re not territorial, we’re saying ‘How can we help each other raise everybody up into the maturity?’ If they’re not your people and my people, they’re God’s people. We’re shepherds over one church. How can we help everybody as elders at the gate come to maturity, how can we help every marriage, and every family, and every assembly wherever they are meeting because they are all part of the one church?” It’s a whole shift of minds that have changed that we are really one nation. We have tribes that the Lord assigns us to, clans and families. You know we relate to different people more directly than we relate to everybody. To other people we have indirect relationships, but we’re all about the same goal Sid. We’re all about the same purpose, and bringing the gospel to the nation.
Sid: Okay, there is a new phenomena that I can’t recall in my over 30 years of walking with the Lord, and that is church dropouts. In many cities there are more Christians not going to church…
Dr. Morgan: Yes.
Sid: Than going to church. I never remember a time like this, and they say “Well my church isn’t willing to change. I hung in there I prayed.” So what should this dropout do?
Dr. Morgan: Well you know we’re helping people… we say to them “Listen” they said “If I can’t go back to that meeting anymore. I can’t go back and be grieved any longer.” I say to them “Open your home and start making disciples. If you don’t know how to make a disciple here’s what you do. Pour your love into somebody. We in our ministry are actually helping people in Britain where the Lord has opened doors for us. In America we’re helping new congregations rise up by encouraging people to allow the flow of revelation to come through and praying for people. We don’t have the answers, we know the One who does have the answers.
Sid: Okay I have an idea. Why don’t you start just by inviting your family on a Friday night, a Saturday morning, a Sunday morning, a Sunday night. That’s between you and the Holy Spirit start with your family then add a couple of brothers and sisters, and aunts and uncles. Then add a couple of neighbors, and take the Bible and start following it. God gave me a that I have been using now since 1976 it’s called Mishpochah, family.
Dr. Morgan: Right.
Sid: I mean start a Mishpochah, a family group right in your house.
Dr. Morgan: And you don’t need an institution to approve of you. You just simply need the Holy Spirit to send you, and the Holy Spirit’s anointing on you to do it. God will bring people alongside of you to help you and to guide you. God will bring people to your home, but you’ve got to start. They launched out, Jesus sent them He said “Go and I will be with you lo always until the end of the age.”
Sid: Howie what the body of Messiah that Messiah died for that is functioning right now. A pastor has been listening to us all week and he’s been saying “You know I like what I hear, but I can’t change what I have because that vision is so engrained.” What would you say to him?
Dr. Morgan: Well I’d say to him the mere fact that he is agreeing with you and I today is an indicator of the anointing of the Holy Spirit on his heart, and he prays into that anointing and allows the Holy Spirit, who called him from his mother’s womb, or her mother’s womb, to go forward and let the Holy Spirit who began the good work start the change. God will begin to change him first then he’ll be able to change his circle of influence and that will go out to the greater congregation, but the change has to take in his own heart. He has to present a living sacrifice and allow the Holy Spirit to make the paradigm shift, and that’s what this is about Sid. It’s about this paradigm shift, this revolution that is going on and the anointing that is sweeping people around the face of the earth into a new passion, and new direction. Saying “God we’re going where we’ve never gone before, we’re going to launch out. We are going to see what You will do because we want an environment for the Holy Spirit to come.” He just presents himself and says “Okay Lord let me take the risks, step out of the boat and trust you and see where you will take me.”
Sid: Howie wait, what type of reaction are you getting from people that sit under your teaching, or read your book “Leaves from the Olive Tree?”
Dr. Morgan: Most of the reaction I am getting is very positive. There are some people that don’t like it because they like their life the way it is, but most of the people I get opportunities to minister to they are saying “That oh Dr. Morgan!” they say to me “That explained what I’m going through. You put words on what I was feeling.” Some people with tears in their eyes because they thought they were being demonized; they thought they were falling away, or backsliding. I was expressing to them “No God is transiting you from an institution into a reality…”