Sid:  What happens when you’re in full time ministry, you have an international ministry, people look up to you and you’re struggling with sin?  I mean who do you go too?  Well, you finally humbled yourself enough that you try all the of self help courses that are out; I mean the ones from a Christian perspective not just secular.  You try everything, and at the end of ten years you still not free, what do, you throw in the towel?  No, because my guest Jonathan Welton knew there was an answer in God, he tried everything he possibly could.  He tried all these self help programs, these twelve step programs, these performance based programs and they only offered ways of controlling the sin.  But psychology will tell you today, “If you’re involved in pornography you will always have that temptation; if you’re an alcoholic you’re always going to be an alcoholic.”  They’re not reading the same Bible we’re reading.  And my guest not only found how he could be free, but he found how you can enter into all of the promises in God’s word now!  Not twenty years from today, the healing promises, the financial promises, the marital promises, every promises of God’s word; the supernatural peace.  Well Jonathan I think that they’ve been waiting long enough after ten years what happened?

Jonathan:  Well I as I was sharing yesterday, I had pursued all kinds of different methods and was not finding any answers and you know finally just came to the point that you know I had to make a change in my life.  And I could not continue struggling and having a two ministry related masters degrees, and a wonderful wife and an international ministry, and a bestselling book and all that and I’m still struggling with lust in my heart.  And so it was time to get real with the issues.  I talked to my leadership and I took a long season off of ministry, and just got time to focus on this issue with the Lord.  And He brought some some He brought the breakthrough but He brought the truth because Jesus said, “The truth that will set you free.”  And I knew in those ten years of trying all those methods they had just a fraction of the truth in them, but they didn’t have the truth I needed to get set free in my life.  So one of the largest truths that the Lord brought along was an understanding of His grace.  And a lot of us when I say the word grace a lot of us will understand grace as far as salvation but in Titus 2:11 & 12 it says the grace of God has appeared that offers salvation to all people.  That’s the grace of salvation that most of us have heard about.  But the verse goes on talking about grace; it says that it teaches us to say no to ungodliness and worldly passions.  It teaches us to live self controlled upright and godly lives and that’ what I wanted, I wanted something in me that would teach me to say no and would teach me to live self-controlled upright and Godly.  Because the external behavior change wasn’t actually transforming my heart and my life from the inside out and only grace can do that; so the grace, the grace is really like a force like in the same way that before we came to Christ, before we came an accepted Him as our Lord, sin ran our lives.  Old ways of thinking, the world… it pushed us toward making wrong decisions but now on the other side of the cross, now that we’ve entered in as new creations grace is literally the fuel and the tank of our lives that pushes us to say no to ungodliness and …

Sid:  But the truth of the matter is everyone that’s born again that has read the Bible, has read the passages that you’ve just even quoted, but they’re still in bondage!

Jonathan:  I agree, there’s a lot of us who read the things but at the same time we have to read the word and have a revelation of the word.  And I had had many, a lot of head knowledge, even you know I was even known for my first book “The School of the Seers” and it’s a book about discerning spirits.  And you know people ask me all the time, what do you discern about this leader and this politician, and you know the hardest person to discern is yourself.  That’s why it says in Hebrew’s 4 “The word of God is a sword that divides the thoughts and the intents of the heart.  Because we need the word to cut, we need the revelation of the word to show us what’s really going on in our heart and in our mind.  And we can be ourselves the hardest person to discern, that’s why we need not just knowledge of grace, but we need a revelation of grace that actually activates in our life in a supernatural way that drives us to walking like Christ.  It can’t just be a wristband that say’s WWJD, and then we try to force ourselves to be like Christ.  We need grace to actually empower us to walk like Him.

Sid:  When you got this revelation of grace, you understood grace you probably even talked about grace.  But when you got this revelation of true Biblical grace and I have to qualify this because what is being taught throughout the world today is an unbalanced approach to grace. Which is almost even though yeah you’re not told to sin, if you sit under most of that teaching it sounds like a license to sin and you live just like the world; you’re not told to walk in purity and in holiness.  And it’s kind of an balanced message, but once you got the true revelation of grace, how long did it take you to get free, I’m curious.

Jonathan:  Hmm, I think once I got the revelation it was within a matter of weeks that that…

Sid:  It took you ten years and it didn’t even help you, all you learned how to do was control sin, and in a matter of weeks you got free?

Jonathan:  Not so well at that, I’d done my best and I had gotten to the point of giving up and yeah, grace made the difference and it was within a matter of weeks.  My wife was very stunned as she began to watch my personality shift and my heart began open and I became free and transparent and vulnerable in ways she had never seen before.  You know grace doesn’t just stop one sin in your life, it transforms you from top to bottom. It’s a supernatural remodel of everything of who you are.

Sid:  I want you to teach just a little bit about the revelation of grace, let’s start with identity, and the identity shift that is necessary, what is identity?

Jonathan:  Hmm, well backing for just a moment you are right, there is a lot of confusion about grace and the way that some are teaching it now.  We’ve had this problem for 2,000 years back when Paul wrote to the Roman’s he said, you know he talked about grace and then he said, “Shall we go on sinning then that grace may abound you know?”  If there’s grace why not keep sinning, and he said, “Of course not, by no means.”  And so we’re not talking about brace being an excuse or a license to sin, grace is actually an empowerment to stop sin in your life.  It’s not an excuse; it’s an empowerment not to sin.  And that as I said earlier is like a fuel in the tank of your life, your actually your identity is empowered by grace.

Sid:  But I want to mention again the flip side, grace empowers all of the blessings of God.

Jonathan:  Yeah.

Sid:  And most have a mental knowledge of what Jesus did for us, but it hasn’t played out in their lives, they’re still walking around sick, they’re still walking around in poverty, they’re still getting divorce like the world; their children are still leaving the Lord.  This is such a wonderful revelation; let’s go back what is your understanding of identity?

Jonathan:  Hmm, well I believe the identity we’re called to walk in is that we’ve been put into Christ.  I’m not just here to live out Jonathan Welton; I’m here to be the expression of Christ in the earth that I walk in Jesus with a whole new righteousness, a whole new purity, a whole new holiness, a spirit of grace and truth.  So our identity is that most people stop at the cross and say well I’ve died in Christ.  Well that’s true although Paul goes on and says not only that but you’re united with Him in His resurrection as John wrote in 1 John he said, “As He is,” Jesus presently is, “So are we in this world.”  Our calling as God’s representative, as His ambassador from heaven our identity is so much more than just struggling with sin with the hope that Jesus might free us.  We actually called to be Jesus on this earth, His spirit in us, Ephesians says, “Filled with fullness of the Godhead.”  I mean these verses are mind boggling to the Christian whose been just struggling with sin all their life, that is, that is starting point as leaving sin behind.  And yet even myself you know ten years in ministry, degrees and all of that and I hadn’t actually stepped into walking like Christ which is the basis of Christianity.  Being filled with His Spirit and walking like Him in the earth.  Our identity is not simply a Christian, it’s being Christ like, being made in His image, in His likeness.

Sid:    You know, in your book you talk about four types of identity; one healthy and three unhealthy tomorrow I’d like you to teach on that.  But Mishpochah you know someone struggling with sin, you know someone struggling with pornography, you know someone struggling with sexual sins, homosexuality, lust, eating disorders, and you want to get those people free.

Sid:  My guest Steven Brooks, we’re talking about his brand new book literally just off the press, “God’s Nuclear Power”, his two CDs which I am so excited about both areas are so mandatory with the times were living in now, I mean you don’t have to be a mental giant to know that Jesus is coming back quickly, and He wants to do a quick work in your life.  And these two tools will make such a difference.    Steven in your life and on yesterday’s broadcast we were talking about fasting, and I said, “You started out the first fast that you ever went on was forty days,” and you totally intimated including your truly but then you say, But then you say I don’t recommend that I recommend that only if God tells you.  I recommend a three day fast, but you still totally intimated a lot of our listeners right now and so I said, “Would it benefit one meal, for someone that’s never fasted before, let’s start; start real little.”  And then we got and then you said, “Absolutely, God is going to be aware of it and it’s going to open something in the invisible world that hasn’t been opened.”

Steven:  Yes, I would encourage anybody who’s wanting to experiment with fasting, step into this area of fasting to start step by step and also prepare yourself; if you’re going to fast for one day then get your mind ready.  Prepare yourself so that when you go through it, when you enter into it you’re not wanting to back out, you commit yourself to it.  You might even want to sign a little piece of paper and say I, and put your name in there, and say, “I dedicate to do a twenty-four hour fast for the purpose of praying for my son or for the purpose of praying for my pastor or praying for this particular ministry.”  And kind of lock yourself into that, and then prepare yourself also, also prepare yourself mentally.

Sid:  By the way, do you have a purpose when you fast as opposed to just to fast?

Steven:  Ninety percent of the time I will have a purpose that way I don’t wander or float around, I stay locked in and I find it more motivating when I have something that I can set my goal to and put my prayer focus on.  Now there are the exceptions when I’ll fast and pray just to seek the Lord, just to draw near to the Lord.  But the other times I’m usually going after something seeking God in prayer for a specific cause and I’ll have predetermined that before I even start the fast.

Sid:  Okay, what about you’re working a job maybe an office job, but you need your energy and you’re concerned that if you fast you’re not going to do a good job, or worse than that, you’re not doing an office job but you’re doing physical labor, how do you cope with that?

Steven:  I’ve had experiences with that Sid, you know the Bible tells us you know the Apostle Paul said, “Whatever you do, do it as unto the Lord with all of your might, with all of your strength.”  And I believe that our work, our careers we should pour our hearts into them and one of the worst witnesses would be to tell your boss I can’t work very good today because I’m fasting, I have no energy and that’s just not going to fly, that’s a contradictory to scripture.  So we want to prepare our bodies so that we can still work as at a high ability.  Now one time, when I used to work for a sprinkler irrigation company we were laying sprinkler lines, and this was when I was still beginning in the early stages to learn about fasting, and to learn about the response of God through fasting.  And so I determined to drink juice and not eat any food and so I started drinking orange juice and apple juice while I was laying these irrigation lines, and this was when I use to live in Texas and the temperatures begin to rise 100 degrees, 110 degrees, and finally it stayed and held at 117 degrees and stayed there all week long.  And so the other guys were working with me in this 117 degree heat and I’m fasting, I’m not eating any food and a couple of the guys said, “You know Brother Steven we’re concerned about you, we’re concerned you might just die or something like that.”  I said, “No, I’ll be okay, I said, “Just watch and see.”  And after about the second, and the third and fourth day during this extreme heat they began to really slack in their work because of the tremendous heat, but I just kept drinking juice and kept praying in the Spirit while I was working and I just had a grace of the Lord upon me and I worked like a machine, I felt like Samson. And I’m shoveling dirt, laying sprinkler line, doing that for eight to ten hours a day at 117 degree heat, and did five days of that with no food and on the fifth day, I broke my fast with a small salad and when I did something happened to my spiritual sight and I begin to see in the Spirit realm since that time where I have been able to discern angels, I have been able to see the glory, I can see waves of glory flowing in meetings when the Holy Spirit is moving.  And that was one the initial rewards that God began to bless me with.

Sid:  What is a wave of glory look like?  I’m having difficulty imagining this, like a wave in an ocean?

Steven:  Well, sometimes when I’m in a meeting ministering, the Holy Spirit will begin to open my Spiritual eyes, my natural eyes are already open, I can see with my natural eyes, but my spiritual eyes begin to open and I can see a certain area of people that the Holy Spirit will be touching.  And I can just release the glory of the Lord into that area and I’ll see it go out and it will come from the stage and it’ll begin to go over people and it looks like waves of the sea and it’ll hit the people.  And you can see the glory and you see the people shout, some people fall, and some people begin to praise the Lord, different types of responses as it flows. The anointing flows just like electricity or like water, and sometimes it looks like water, it looks like waves. 

Sid:  Well, because of your prayer and fasting some very unusual and amazing things happen in your life, for instance you went, you were our guest teacher on our trip to Israel.

Steven:  Yes.

Sid:   Our most recent trip and I got reports that people just walked close to you and something happened, tell me one.

Steven:  Well, this is one of the reasons I also begin to seek the Lord more and push back the plate more because I said, “Lord, if Peter can walk in this anointing where this shadow of Peter,” and it really wasn’t Peter’s shadow it was just a measure of the proximity of the anointing coming off of him. If people can get within the approximately of the shadow and get healed, I said, “Lord, he’s a man, if that can happen to Peter, we have the potential to walk in that same level of anointing.”  And I began to seek the Lord for that and that’s something that He promised me that would begin to take place in my ministry and we’ve been seeing that.  And like when we were in Israel the lady’s she said, “Brother Steven there was so many people around you I couldn’t get to you so I just inched my way closer and closer, and you were so busy ministering to others that I just stood there and suddenly this wave of glory came out and hit me, it came out from you, it was the Lord’s anointing coming off of you and all the pain in my body completely left me and I was completely healed.  And she said, “Thank you for being obedient unto the Lord, and I said, “Well, I didn’t even do anything, I was just standing there, it was the Lord who did that.”

Sid:  But you used a Biblical reference, people could get under Peter’s shadow and be physically healed.  Are we coming into those days?

Steven:  Yes, the church is coming to that, not just ministers only but the church of the Lord is coming into that word…

Sid:  We need that because the devil isn’t just rolling over and playing dead so we need that type of nuclear power.

Steven:  Yes we do, Peter in a sense if we can say this, he was radioactive, something…

Sid:  What do you mean radioactive?

Steven:  Something was coming off of him, just like the Arc of the Covenant, the Philistines found that out when they captured the Arc.  They realized that they had gotten something that was beyond any kind of power that they had ever known before and it terrified them; they realized that we need to get rid of this thing.  But we have the ability because we are Believers and we are the family of God we actually have the ability to handle and contain this awesome anointing, this power that the closest reference I can give to it is nuclear power.  But that’s what God’s power is like and He’s releasing it and He’s putting it upon His people, and it’s going to begin to flow out of His people just it did for Peter and if you get in areas where that anointing is at you’ll get your healing.  The anointing is going to spread beyond even a shadow. There will be churches and groups of Believers that will come together and the shadow will go out and cover a whole block.

Sid:  I can picture a group of Christians getting together and that nuclear power spreading, radiating if you will for ten twelve miles, bars closing down, people are going to their computer to do pornography just being frozen, I mean that’s coming.

Steven:  Absolutely, that happens the anointing goes out, the glory, the scales become to come off the people and they say “What in the world am I doing” or they think “I have no pleasure in this thing, this sin, this vice that I’m doing and they feel this, they feel God they presence of God.  Most people that live their lives that are outside of God, they’ve never felt the presence of God. So for the first time in their life they feel God but they sense God’s awesome presence and they say “What is that?”

Sid:  They will never get that, people that have never experienced, and I’m speaking to a lot of people now, God loves you much as someone who has experienced the presence of God. That’s not the issue, but once you’ve experienced that you will never forget it.  And real quick, you were praying one day for something like eight hours, your family was gone and nothing, two minutes before you’re family came in you heard from God, and you asked God the question, “Why did you wait so long, you really asked God that?

Steven:  Yes, in all day in prayer and fasting waiting for the Lord because my wife and family were out, they had gone so I had the whole time to spend with the Lord that day and I sent all that time with the Lord praying, reading my Bible, mediating and the Lord never spoke one thing to me.  Sid there was not enough anointing to lift and feather off the desk, but I kept spending the time with the Lord.  And then right before my wife drove down the driveway which takes two minutes to reach the driveway from the beginning to the house, during those two minutes the Lord begun to talk to me.  And I said, “Lord, I’ve been here all day why would wait to the last two minutes?”  He said, “I didn’t want to talk to you sooner because you may have left, I enjoyed your presence and your company so much that I didn’t want to start talking till the very end.”

Sid:  Say that one more time for someone that’s not going to spend this evening praying and now may, what did God say to you again?

Steven:  He said, “I so enjoyed your company and you being with me today, I didn’t want to speak to you earlier you may have left so I waited till the very last moment so I could have you with me as long as possible.”

Sid:  God really enjoys us putting Him first beyond anything else that this world has to offer.

Steven:  It almost made my hair stand up on my head I couldn’t believe.

Sid:  Whoops we’re out of time, that I can believe.

Sid:  My guest Brian Lake is teaching on a subject the best way to understand the subject is to know the name of his book “Romancing the King, the Devine romance between God and man.”  And he talks about the book of Esther, but he talks about having a heart for intimacy with God.  Brian what came first, the chicken or the egg.  In other words, does God call us into intimacy or do we push for it so that we have intimacy?

Brian:  For me Sid, you know when I was a young boy, you know when I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior you know that intimacy with Him is always available to anybody no matter where they come from, what happened to them; it doesn’t matter He created us Sid for worship and for intimacy.  He created us for someone to fellowship with and we don’t realize that the creator of the Universe desires our fellowship.  And like I said, it doesn’t matter who we are or where we came from, it’s the Creator’s desire to fellowship with us, He wants us more than we realize; and once we realize that we can have such a blessed life that where our life is you know prospering you know in the natural and spiritually just because through that intimacy with Him.  And I said earlier that as we press into Him instead of pressing into the things that we need, if we press into Him first, all those things that we need just begin to happened.  And that’s what happened in my life.

Sid:  What would you say to the person that says “Well, I work hard all day, I pray in the morning before I go to work and at night I just kind a like to relax and watch TV, not bad TV, but just just watch TV and unwind rather than spend time in intimacy with God.  Is it wrong?  What would you say?

Brian:  Well, from my opinion from my experience I cannot afford not to spend time with Him, I have to lay TV down.  I’ve been sitting watching TV for an example and God spoke to me during one of my favorite shows and says, “I want to spend time with you.”  So it’s a test to me with Him, do I really want to have a relationship with Him or would I rather feed my natural man?

Sid:  Well, it’s almost idolatry in a sense, anything that takes away from intimacy with the King.

Brian:  Absolutely, and let me share this Sid, I had a vision sometime ago where Jesus appeared to me.  I was actually sitting in my office, I was home alone by myself and had my little dog at my feet, he was setting there and I was playing on the computer and I felt this presence enter my office door and the dog felt it too because he jumped up and turned and looked.  Now in the natural I didn’t see anything, but in my Spirit I’d seen a man standing there in a white robe.  From that experience that week I had more visions actually, and Jesus appeared to me in this vision and the only way I could describe it was like it looked like a hotel room hallway where the walls were deteriorating, it smelled, it was old run down, the carpet was ugly, torn and He begins to lead me down this hallway.  And later found out that He was showing me the rooms of the heart, what’s inside our heart; what’s really inside of us.  And He took me down this hallway in this old building, opened the door of each one of these rooms and each one of these rooms was filled with something else.  One room was filled with all these TV sets, you know entertainment, and you know a lot of people fill their hearts with entertainment, watching TV, you know unbalanced.  And we went to another room and we opened the door and in that room was like a party atmosphere, people was you know drinking, and doing all these things and their just a party people, hollering and you know smoking and all this kind of stuff.  And He took me down to another room, opened that room and that door to that room there was a guy sitting in there polishing his trophies, all these awards that he won in his life.  He was you know all excited, but I remember one thing specifically, when we opened that door, Jesus opened that door, that guy turned and looked at Jesus opening that door and just smiled and grinned and turned back around and began to polish those trophies again.  Jesus was at his door of his heart but he chose you know the things of the world.  But the most profound thing that He showed me when we got at the end of the hallway after looking at all these rooms, Jesus looked at me with a tear running down His face and He said, “Brian, there’s no room in this heart for me.”  I mean He was sad, and I believe that people have filled there hearts up with so many other things that there is no room for the King of kings, now what do we have in our heart?  Do we have Jesus, I remember, actually when my son Jordan was just a young boy, probably four or five years old, he come running into my living room with a flashlight and he said, “Daddy, daddy” and he gave me the flashlight, he said, “Here look down my throat, can you see Jesus in my heart?”

Sid:  Huh!

Brian:  So it has to be that real to us that we have to put Him first.  You know the Bible says, in Psalms 27 “One thing that I desire.”  And so many people are desiring other things, and we need to desire Him first.  And I know people are probably thinking, “Well, I enjoy doing this, or I like to doing this or that, you know it would take up my time.”  But when you put Him first, He gives you those things, and they fit into your life, but we got to put Him first.

Sid:  Is it a matter of just willing to do it, I mean sometimes these habits are very strong and they’re hard to break like watching TV till you fall asleep.

Brian:  Yeah, I mean you have to have to want Him, sometimes, you know there is sometimes Sid that I just physically don’t feel like you know going to my prayer closet, so I may go in there and begin to worship Him by faith.  But it comes to a place that it breaks through, you know He’ll stand back sometimes but the bible says you know if we’ll draw near to Him He’ll draw near to us.  So sometimes we have to begin to draw near to Him and He’ll draw near to us.

Sid:  You told me about  vision of Jesus that changed your life forever, tell me about that.

Brian:  Yeah, well the rooms of the heart was one of those visions that changed my life, because when He spoke to me and showed me that when we got to the end of that hall, when He was crying with a tear running down His face I realized how important it was for Him to have our hearts.  And when I go to different places I tell the people and I see it so much that peoples’ lives are consumed with other things in this world and that’s how the devil lures us in you know he creates all these things and temps us with this stuff and you know all this stuff.  And a lot of times we take that, but He’s wanting us because I really believe you know the end times are coming sooner than we realize, and I believe through that relationship and times that we’re living in right now we have to have that intimacy with Him, we have to spend time with Him fellowshipping, create success in our life.

Sid:  But I have to ask you a question how in the world are you a father, you travel with your family, you do ministry, you don’t take any money for it and you run some businesses, how do you have time to worship God.

Brian:  Well, the more time I sow into God the more time He gives me, if that makes sense.

Sid:  It certainly makes sense to me, you know that’s worth repeating again, would you do that?

Brian:  Well, the more time I sow with Him the more time he actually gives me.  See what we’re trying to do is, we’re trying to build all of our schedule through the day you know and try to fit God in here when we should be you know spending time with Him, building our schedule around that. Putting Him first it goes back to putting Him first.

Sid:  If I forced you to give us, your whole book is filled with keys for intimacy with God, what is the primary key for intimacy with God?

Brian:  It’s setting that time aside with Him, basically I call going on a date with God.  You know because when I was dating my wife years ago you know I would set everything else aside so I could be with her.  The same thing with God, we have to set everything else aside, even when we don’t feel like it Sid, to spend time with Him and I believe there’s healing…

Sid:  Now when you think about it, if you really believe that Jesus was coming to your house, what house could be close to wanting to do beyond a date with Jesus?

Brian:  Absolute, yeah and one of the things that I do is that I try to create an atmosphere in my home to attack the presence of God, because the Holy Spirit is grieved when we’re when our family’s are cussing in their home, hollering or fighting or different things like that it grieves the Holy Spirit.  So in my home, 24 hours a day seven days a week we play worship music creating an atmosphere that a tracks God and attracts angels to come into our home because we want this atmosphere to attract Him.

Sid:  What kind of feedback are you getting from people that are reading your book “Romancing the King?”

Brian:  We are having awesome testimonies, people loving it.  Actually for an example we are getting out book translated into Spanish in Guatemala.  It’s taking longer than we expected because the translators are reading the book as they translate it and are getting messed up, they are crying, they are weeping, and it’s changing their life.  So we are actually a couple months behind because of that.

Sid:  Well, that’s a good reason to be behind.  You also say from this deep intimacy there’s going to be a great breakthrough of healings.

Brian:  Yeah, I’ll give you a good example, what happened to me through healing.  I had, I hurt my back actually really bad and I usually don’t get hurt, but I hurt my back so bad that I couldn’t even drive, I was just in agony, it took be about fifteen, twenty minutes to get out of bed.  But I remember one night I got up out of bed, it took me about fifteen twenty minutes, 3:00 in the morning, I made my way down to my prayer closet in my office actually.  And I didn’t ask God, I didn’t say “God heal me.”  I didn’t tell Him anything about my back because He already knew.

Sid:  Bottom line, did He heal you?

Brian:  Absolutely, I began to worship Him.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. Speaking of supernatural, my guest, Grace Williams, her music, as people soak to it, they have visitations to Heaven. Tell me about some.

GRACE: Well we received an email testimony, Sid, from a man that runs a school of supernatural ministry, and they play it as part of their curriculum, and the students actually soak and worship to the music, and many of the young people have had trips to Heaven and seen some amazing things. And he was just saying, thank you so much for being obedient to carry the sound of worship.

SID: Speaking of carrying the sound of worship, she literally does. But there’s a part of it that was beyond her control. Her great-great-great-great-grandfather had fire in his bones. Is that a good way to describe him?

GRACE: Yes. And it’s actually written about him, Sid, that he actually glowed. His face glowed with the glory, the tangible glory of God, and it burned like molten lava, was written about him. He was an early apostle to California and he actually had some journals written and he prayed that his descendants would be carriers of the glory and the fire. And so I’m really just walking in the answered prayers that he prayed, because now I, too, am planted in Southern California along the same Pacific Coast Highway where he literally traveled as a circuit-rider preacher. And the Lord has allowed us to have a church and to bring worship and healing, and deliverance to that region.

SID: Let me take you back a little bit, because you’re another one that provokes me to jealousy. The devil knew something about you. He tried to knock you out just as a baby.

GRACE: Yes, absolutely.

SID: But when you were three, your mother said you began to speak in supernatural languages. When you were four you started playing the piano. I took piano lessons when I was about six, for about a week, and it was too hard for me, so I gave up. But then at six, how does someone at six years of age have a vision from Heaven?

GRACE: You know what? It’s just so wonderful. It’s such a beautiful memory because it’s like the first thing I remembered that’s ingrained in my heart and my spirit forever, and it’s just like it was yesterday. So I remember it. I was upstairs in our house, and I saw this picture of the world and I saw music notes like ribbons and they were encircling the earth, and just going around and round, and flying off and just bringing this beautiful ribbon, this beautiful melody. It was almost like embracing the earth with music. And come to find out later I would be a part of carrying God’s love around the world through, it’s His song, Sid. It’s His song. It’s His love song.

SID: Tell me how you get these songs. Where do they come from?

GRACE: Well a lot of them just flow out of my personal prayer time. I have a studio in my home and I play the piano. I worship. It’s oxygen to me, Sid. It’s literally my life force. I breathe worship. I like the saying that says, “When we worship we inhale Heaven.” So as much of Heaven as I can get, I’m just going to worship. So they just come through my personal worship times. A lot of them at church prophetically are birthed when we worship that way. And the Holy Spirit just pours out so graciously, and I’m so honored.

SID: One of your songs I really love is called, “River.” Tell me about that song.

GRACE: “River,” I love “River” because the Lord told me that “River” was going to be like spiritual CPR and it would literally bring hope and life back to the hopeless and the lifeless. And it would bring those refreshing rivers, those healing rivers. And just like our physical body can’t go more than three days without water, how much more, Sid, do we need those refreshing, hydrating, living waters. The Bible says, “If you taste and drink of these living waters you will never thirst again.” So I know that this song has some powerful, powerful waters.

SID: Well I also know when I soak to your music I feel rivers of living water just bubbling through me.

GRACE: Yes. Praise God.

SID: Would you go to the music set right now. I want to tell you something. In the natural, there’s a lot of things in the natural that give you revelation in the supernatural. When you are thirsty in the natural, doctors tell us it’s too late. You’re literally dying of thirst. You need the water before you’re so thirsty. And I’m remembering the 10 virgins, five wise, five foolish. What made the five wise? They didn’t wait until they were dehydrated. They got soaked in the river. Grace Williams “River.”

GRACE [music, singing]: There is a river flowing from Heaven and it’s flowing to the earth, flowing to the earth. So come to this river and taste of these waters. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There is a river flowing from Heaven and it’s flowing to the earth, flowing to the earth. So come to this river and taste of these waters. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You will find life again. You will find strength again. You will find life again. You will find strength again. You will find hope in these waters. You will find life again. You will find strength again. You will find hope in these waters. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Ooo. [speaking] Something’s happening right now. The river of God is flowing. It’s just flowing to you right now. Just lift your hands wherever you are. Receive that refreshing river. It’s coming from Heaven right now. [singing] Just lift your hands and receive it right now. The river of God is flowing now, flowing now. Refreshing waters from Heaven are being poured out to you…