Sid: We want everyone everywhere to be walking in such holiness that they’ll be a contrast between you and the world.  Right now most people can’t tell the difference between a good Christian and a good non-Christian but there is a difference.  God’s about ready to release His Glory where you know you see the pictures of the saints with the halos over their head?  Well, that was the best way the artist could describe the Glory of God that was radiating from them.  And when your walk in this realm in which God is ready to get you to walk into and He can trust you with finances, you are going to be the head and not the tail.  And God has principles; he has patterns for you to be blessed.  And many Christians, good Christians have thrown out the baby with the dirty bath water because they’ve seen the abuse in raising money that you see all the time on radio, Christian radio and Christian television.  And they’ve seen that it’s a greed motivation, but God wants you to walk in His spiritual principals and He wants to bless you as much as His heart was to bless Abraham.  Now Joan Hunter, where the rubber meets the road is not what you preach, it’s what you live.  Tell me how these principles have released open heavens in the financial arena over your family.

Joan: The word of God says, number one “We are to lay hands on the sick and they are going to recover.”  It doesn’t mean to exclude your family or yourself.  The financial blessings as I talk about are not to exclude me and my family.  I practice what I preach in every area of my life, as I teach and as I minister, I do majority of it and my books and the majority of it are based on personnel experiences, which I think are the best.  Now in regards to my family I could spend the next eighty hours just telling you just some of the things that God has done in my family, specifically financially.  Many years ago when my daughter was pregnant with her first child and the baby was getting ready to come in a few months and they looked at the price of disposable diapers and you know cloth diapers.  And they weighed out the finances and she is phenomenal in the area of finances and she said, “Well, in order for us to have disposable diapers, you know the Daddy “Ted” is going to have to go and get a second job in order to do that and we’d rather have the cloth diapers so that he can spend more time with his son.”  And the natural mind “Grandma, it is better for the baby to be in disposable, I could help with $25 a week maybe or something like that and trying to be  as the mother and the grandmother to help in the natural.”  And then I went and priced them and I’m like man that’s enough for a day or two, and I’m like no wonder he has to, they are so expensive, it’s crazy.  And so I said, “Why don’t we just pray and ask God to bless you with some diapers,” you know and you bless God out of the scenario, which is good to plan it financially, but you got to let God in there too.  So it’s like, Oh Mom you know, like God’s going to bless us with diapers, you know.  And so anyway, they live in Nashville, I flew home to Houston; the next day I got a phone call saying, “Does your daughter need diapers?”  And I’m like, “Yes.”  And well, “I live in Nashville and I have these boxes and cases of diapers, can I take them to her?”  I’m like, “Yes,” didn’t need to pray about that one, because we had already prayed.  The next day the lady comes and she puts three of four massive cases of diapers on the front porch, rings the doorbell and my daughter Charity goes to the door and opens the door and is trying to see who it is behind all these boxes.  And the lady says, “Here’s some diapers can you help me get the other cases out of my van?”  So she brought all these cases in and then continued giving more, we had another source that gave us some more and I have three grand children from that daughter and another daughter that has one and their still using some of the diapers that were given over almost seven years ago.

Sid: You know God is a very generous God!

Joan: Abundantly above all we could ever ask, hope or dream of even to the point of diapers.

Sid: How about, I think this is pretty amazing, how about the need for college?  How’d you handle that with all these daughters?

Joan: So many times in the process of what I went through about twelve years ago and having to be divorced because of Bible reasons and a variety of things like that and you know and standing praying and believing and He’s the one that made all the money and we had three girls out of the four in college at the time.  And I’m like God “How am I going to do this, I can’t even do food much less pay their college.  Two of them were in a community college; the government just started sending money, sending monthly checks so they wouldn’t even have to work, that they could just go to school.  Paid for all of their school, all of their car expense, all of their gasoline, their everything, all of their expenses while they were in college.  I had another daughter who was a senior at Oral Robert University who is now a doctor, who was up there and she got a scholastic scholarship, she got a grant from the government, she had already been turned down from the government and everything.  And she just I mean out of $17,500 for her senior year, this was years ago, out of $17,500 she had to pay $1,400 for her senior year.  I couldn’t have even gotten food for six months for her for that amount of money.

Sid: You know, if it works for you, if it works for your family, if it works in third world countries then if it’s not working that means that you have to figure out where you are missing it.  And there are many hidden hindrances and roadblocks to receiving finances.  Give me an example of some.

Joan: There are so often times that people are wanting to get from God, not just receive, but get from God.  But the word of God says in Luke 6:38 “If we give, as we give we will receive” and as we give there’s conditions for God’s promises.  It doesn’t say “God’s going to give, and give and give.  It says, “As we give, as we do our part we are going to receive.”  Now, that means, obviously finances because that’s what we are talking about.  But as you give love, you are going to get love pressed down, shaken together, running over.  As you sow in hate and judgment, you are going to reap in hate and judgment.  And God wants to take, He wants to bless us, but He doesn’t want to bless our greed, He wants to bless us so that we in turn can bless other people.  And there’s many times through the scripture that it talks about that we need to give.  Once again, Deuteronomy 8:18, “He’s given you the power to get wealth.”  People are praying, “God bless me, God bless me, God bless me; Father, I thank You that You are going to meet my needs,” but they are not willing to give.  And then it’s like “Father, I thank You somehow or another You are going to bless me.”  Oh, man, in conversation, “I am so tired, I am just working morning and night and they have given me twenty hours of overtime, I’m so exhausted.”  You know “Father I thank you that you are going to supernaturally bless me financially.”  And it’s like “Hello,” God is, you know He’s given you twenty hours of time and half or double time and so often the answer to our financial needs shows up with overalls, that we’ve got to work for those finances.

Sid: I think that people are in a fantasy when it comes to these principals and by the way, when someone follows the principals that you outline in your new book “Supernatural Provision, Financial Freedom” it works in every area of their life.

Joan: Every area, every country.

Sid: It’s not just money, it’s their marriages, it’s their health, it’s everything is; I mean God is interesting in the whole person.

Joan: Right, totally and this, you who are listening to the program is well like, “They just want money.”  Well, you know what, we both, Sid Roth and Joan Hunter want you to be blessed.  This is not about how we can get more money, this is about how you can be supernaturally blessed, supernatural provision, I mean how exciting would it be to write a tithe check for a million dollars?  You are going to have so much left over you can send a million to It’s Supernatural and God wants to bless you in every area of your life.  And I sign all of my emails; I’m blessed to be a blessing.

Sid: Tell me about cars, your family has an anointing for cars!

Joan: It sure does, and it is awesome what God is doing in the area of cars.  I had my daughter again; Charity who was expecting number two and she now has three.  And when number two was coming, she said, “We got to get a bigger car because my car can’t handle two car seats and the seatbelts broken” and she like, “I don’t know how I’m going to be able to afford it you know I just started a new business, and dadadada and I don’t know how I’m going to do it.”  And she said, “I’ve got six thousand dollars saved up, but that’s not enough to buy like and SUV type car.”  And you know I said, “Why don’t you, and I said I really appreciate how good you are with finances, how you have this whole thing planned out,” and I said, “You are phenomenal at what you do, but you king of left God out of this.”  And I said, “Why don’t we pray and ask God to bless you a car?”  Once again, “Oh Mom,” they don’t say that any more, they just say, “Go Mom and thank You Jesus!  And so I had a prophetic word for her and God says, “That God is going to bless her with a car which will be part natural, part supernatural.”  And so she says, “Okay, we are just going to see how it pans out.”  And so the next time I came to see her she was still pregnant, she had a picture of the car on her refrigerator; and underneath it the car that she is going to bless us with.  I thought, “Yes, they do listen, they do listen.”  And so, about a month later she was still pregnant, a friend of mine had two vehicles, and she was going to get rid of them.  And one of them was, the one that she was going to get rid of is the sister vehicle to what was on the fridge; same color, same interior, every…

Sid: Joan we are out of time, but we will pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast.

Sid: I am so excited to say that a number of years ago I had a dream in which God Himself came to me and instructed me to write a book; I had no idea that God would use to this degree.  The book is called “They Thought for Themselves” over 850,000 of these are in print, mostly in the Russian language.  Distributed to Jewish households throughout the former Soviet Union because this book has ten Jewish testimonies; Jewish people will read fascinating stories, they won’t read scripture, but they will look read fascinating stories especially the supernatural.  And only heaven records how many Jewish people have come to the Lord through this book.  I believe its hundreds and hundreds of thousands of Jewish people, especially in the former Soviet Union.  But the book is literally untouched in the United States and we’re just starting, this is God’s time, this is God’s moment, this is God’s book.  Here’s why I want you to read the book; first of all it will allow you to understand my Jewish people in a deeper way than you ever have before.  In this book we have a Jewish PHD, a Jewish millionaire, a Jewish concert pianist, a Jewish Holocaust survivor, a Jewish person from the New Age, Jewish people from every walk of life.  Also after you read the book, God will have a Jewish person cross your path and you’re to give this book to them.  Also this book, although it’s written for Jewish people, I can tell you as a fact, when non-Jews read this book that are not believers in Jesus they see so much evidence of the reality of God, they have to receive Jesus…The very first story in this book is by David Yaniv and the title is “Paralyzed, Learn to Live With It” and I have David on the telephone right now.  David, tell me about the time you were paralyzed; you were living in Israel on a Moshav, that’s like a Kibbutz and you’re doing your job milking a cow and you slip on the floor, what happened?

David: Well, I severed my spinal cord and I was taken to the hospital and operated and after the operation they realized that they made a mistake and they apologized and they left me paralyzed from the waist down.

Sid: Now you tried everything, what was the prognosis of the doctors, what did they say?  Would you eventually get better after the surgery that you had and everything, what was the prognosis?

David: Well, the prognosis was, “Learn to live with it because you’ll never get better.”

Sid: But you weren’t satisfied with that, you went into the.., you tried things in the New Age, did that help?

David: Everything, I tried everything and nothing nothing worked because let’s face it, I had terrible excruciating pain, but I still somehow walked into the hospital.  And after the operation they told me that I would never walk again.  And they sent me to a convalescent hospital, a home where they taught me how to walk with shoes connected to iron characters with a catheter.

Sid: That is like a brace.

David: It was seven and a half years.

Sid: Well, and then you are bored so you start watching TV and you find a Christian Television Show.  Why did you watch a Christian Television Show, you’re Jewish, you’re living in Israel, why?

David: Amen, well this is a miracle, that’s a miracle in itself, you see when you are paralyzed and you sit at home and you’ve got nothing to do, you just play around with the dial.  You know today you’ve got these pictures, in those days you had the dial.  So I set there in front of the television and picked and there a woman came and she shared the testimony how she was healed and she was healed by the power of God.  And I thought that this is nonsense these people are all actors, you know but I still watched this program every day came 1:00 I switched it on because you know I thought I had nothing better to do.  And I thought why should I feel sorry for myself; let me watch other people feel sorry for themselves.  So I watched this program and I watched it for over a year.

Sid: But you actually every time Pat Robertson or one of the hosts would say a prayer of salvation, you would say the prayer right along with them, why?

David: Why because I believed that there is something more to it than just actors.  I thought that well there must be some truth to it; I thought well, let me try, what have I got to lose?

Sid: And then, one day, someone had such a precise word of knowledge (This was the 700 Club by the way if you hadn’t figured it out.)  Someone had such a precise Word of knowledge, tell me about that.

David: Well, there was a lady, an evangelist that came on and she said that, “There is someone whose has been paralyzed for many years and as I’m speaking now, he will be healed.”  And I said, “Well praise God, let it be me.”  But nothing happened that day, I went to sleep.

Sid: Now, were you real disappointed when nothing happened?

David: I must admit yes I was, I was but then a thought came over, this is just not my day.  I went to sleep and the next morning in order to get out of bed, the hose that they have to help my legs with my hands out of bed in order to get myself to the shoes and the iron characters and as I touched myself there was feeling.  I touched myself everywhere else and there was feeling, all of a sudden I needed to go to the bathroom.  I was with a catheter and I said to my wife, “Sheila, come quickly, see what’s happening!” And my wife had two people South African girls said to me, “Rubbish, lie down, I don’t believe a word you’re saying.”  And she took a needle and she said, “Close your eyes,” and she started pricking me with a needle.   And she said, “Where do you feel it?” I said, “I felt every prick,” so I thought to myself, “Well, I better stop her before she makes a sieve out of me.”

Sid: Ha, ha.

David: Any way we went to the doctors, out local doctor around the Moshav, and when he was disturbed I realized that something happened.  Subsequently we went to the hospital and there must have been twenty, twenty-five neurologists and neurosurgeons and they all examined me.

Sid: Wait a second, they told you to live with it, they told you nothing could happen, they told you that you would never walk again.  So what do all these neurologists have to say about it?

David: Well, I can tell you that they were flabbergasted until I told them and this is the thing, they said to me, “That it’s a medical miracle; they’ve never seen such a thing.”  So I told them, “Hang on to your horses, this is no medical miracle, this is Yeshua” and the minute I said that, slowly, slowly they disappeared from the room.  But I went home with all my paraphernalia in the wheelchair and I came back to the Moshav and everybody saw me walking and they only accepted the medical letter that this was a medical miracle they wouldn’t accept Devine healing.

Sid: Well, they that’s okay a medical miracle, I’ll take a miracle any way you want, I don’t care what is in writing, I will take a miracle.  I love miracles.  David, how long have you and your wife Sheila been believer’s in Messiah now?

David: Well, you mean, after this, it took about three months later she accepted the Lord as well.

Sid: So how many years have you been believers?

David: How many years Sheila, have you been a believer?

Sid: Oh, mazel tov, it’s your twenty-first anniversary.

David: It has been about twenty-one years.

Sid: David for the Jewish person that’s listening right now, give me one reason why they should believe Jesus is the Messiah.

David: One reason; it is the truth.   He is the Truth, He is the True, Messiah, He is the True living Son of God, He is the true one who left this earth and is coming back.  He is the Truth, that’s all there is to it; and believe me I’ve tried everything, everything just to refute it and I couldn’t, I couldn’t.  I read every secular book, every book that you can think of just to try to refute it that it’s not true and I couldn’t.  He is the truth.

Sid: Now David, I don’t know what God is showing you by the Spirit, but I can tell you what God is showing me, by the Spirit.  I can tell you that I know, I absolutely know that this is God’s moment to reach Jewish people in the United States.  And God is up to something, whereas in the past you might have shared Jesus with a Jewish person, and they weren’t interested.  Jewish people are; it’s like a window of God’s mercy right now.  I rented an auditorium in Brighton Beach, New York, Brooklyn, New York and we had over 400 Soviet Jews come to this meeting, most of them unsaved and the majority of them stood up to receive the Lord.  When have you ever heard in the United States over 400 Jewish people even coming to an evangelistic meeting let alone receiving the Lord?  This is God’s moment…

Sid: I have the most fascinating translation, brand new translation of the scriptures that you’re ever going to see.  It’s called “The One New Man Bible,” the New Testament captures the original power that was neglected by the translators of say the King James Bible.  It’s recaptured the true culture of Christianity which is Jewish, which unfortunately Christianity has distanced itself from.  It gives you footnotes to understand idioms such as when you read “Cut your right hand off,” that’s an idiom that’s not what it literally means.  It’s got the correct tenses that the power in the Bible that was neglected by the Bible that was neglected by most of the translators.  And it’s got over 4,300 footnotes it’s got a 170 pages of glossary because Bill Morford has spent twenty years doing this research, and the original translations that he translated from was for the Hebrew Scriptures it was an approved Hebrew scripture put out by the Hebrew Publishing Company.  And it was the best Greek translation known and then, in addition, he studied Greek for himself and he studied Hebrew for himself and he studied under the finest man that I know to learn Hebrew under, the grandson of the man that pioneered Hebrew for the nation of Israel as a spoken language.  It was Rabbi Eliezer Ben-Yehuda, and I mean you found out so many amazing things, for instance when the scriptures talk about the temple it really should be talking about the sanctuary.  Explain that and what difference does it make?

Bill: Oh, there’s a huge difference there and that’s right.  Every reference to the body where most translations say “your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit”, or that Jesus was referring to His body as a temple of the Holy Spirit or that Jesus was referring to His body as the temple.  Not so, not so. All those references in the New Testament are referring to the sanctuary, the temple as an outer court where sin is welcome.   Those of us who are saved, and have been washed by the blood have no, no business having a place in our bodies where sin is welcome. To step into the Holy place, you had to be forgiven of everything.  You had to confess everything, if you had sin in your life and you set your foot on the threshold of the holy place you were dead and that’s the way we are.  If we accept sin in our lives, we’re not going to step into heaven, were lost so we don’t want our bodies to have any place where sin is acceptable, and we are the sanctuary. All those references by Paul in the gospels are to the sanctuary, and it’s interesting that the Greek word for temple is “hiroan”, the Greek word for sanctuary is “naos.” They are two entirely different words.

Sid: But we translate the modern translations are not even the older translations, is we translated everything temple rather than sanctuary where sanctuary belongs and temple where temple belongs.

Bill: Right and because of that most Bible dictionaries say temple as an acceptable translation of “naos.”  But when you really dig into it it’s not it’s a different thing, and it’s only used once in the Bible as something other than the body and that’s to, or the actual sanctuary of Artemus in Ephesus.

Sid: Okay, how about this, I’ve always heard that amen means so be it.  I never heard what it really meant, explain.

Bill: That was one that Rabbi Ben-Yehudah brought to me because even my best Hebrew English lexicon has it meaning something related to that’s true, whatever; relates it to the word “amet.”  But it is not, it means El Melech ne’eman, which means God is a faithful, sovereign.  God is a faithful King and it’s not a word in Hebrew, there is no root word for it.

Sid: Okay, now I’ve always heard that Paul was a tent maker, you take issue with that.

Bill: Oh, definitely the Greek word translated tent maker is actually a compound word that literally says “tentmaker.”   But it was not a word in the Koina Greek language or a classic Greek language that referred to making tents; it was not a Greek word at all.  It was one that Paul and Luke both made up and its meaning is described in the Baurer Arndt Gingrich Lexicon, by a whole column written by Bauer.  It ends up saying, “He didn’t know what it meant, but he knew it was a skill that had to be learned, had to be approved by someone, and highly technical in its nature, but he didn’t know what it was.  And there are other Greek words…

Sid: Okay, so what is it if that’s not what, wait we know that it’s not a tent maker so what is it?

Bill: It’s making prayer shawls because the prayer shawl was called either a tent and you pulled up over the head to hide just to give a place of privacy.  And another name for it is a private room a “tomeon” which is one that Jesus talked about when you go into your…

Sid: So just because they didn’t know the culture they made him a tent maker rather than a tallit or prayer shawl maker.

Bill: Right.

Sid: And you know another thing I love about your translation, is you explain the Messianic prophecies.  For instance Isaiah 7:14 says “A virgin shall conceive and have a child.”  But in the Hebrew Scriptures it says “A young woman shall conceive and have a child.” So which is right?

Bill: Well, the Hebrew literally says a young woman although the word used there today means virgin. And in the first century in the Bible times a young Jewish woman had to be a virgin when she got married or she could be stoned that was the order.

Sid: So if she wasn’t a virgin she would have been stoned and she wouldn’t have been around to have a child.

Bill: Right.

Sid: So actually that is a correct translation to have young woman, but you need the footnote so that someone will understand it when they don’t say virgin.

Bill: Right.

Sid: What about binding and loosening.

Bill: Yes, they were Hebrew idioms that to bind meant to “forbid” and to loose meant to “permit.”  And where there used in Matthew both chapters 16 & 18 the tense that’s used is actually saying that “Whatever you bind on earth has already been bound in heaven with ongoing affect, it’s still working in heaven.  And what we bind on earth they must already have been bound in heaven.”  So it isn’t that we can make new rules and we decide what needs to be bound.

Sid: We’re not God, we’re His servant.

Bill: That’s right. There are couple of words that are mistranslated, one means to “come” and yet it’s translated “go”, which is strange like the opposite direction.  God never told Noah to go into the ark, He said, “come.” God was already in there saying, “Come, come with me.”  And He never told Moses to go into Pharaoh, it was always, “come.” The Spirit of the Lord was already in with Moses; I mean with Pharaoh and was with Moses too, and the Spirit of the Lord took Moses into Pharaoh.  But a neat one that is “go” is in Genesis 12, God didn’t just say, “go,” to Moses.  What He said, I mean to Abraham, what He said to Abraham was, “Get yourself out of here!”  He issued a very strong command for Abraham to get going, so it’s not in scriptures that God probably been dealing with him for a while to get on his way.  But it’s interesting that that’s probably what He said.

Sid: You know you are going to shake so many people up with Roman’s 16 where you show about a woman in authority. I mean that’s squeezed out of all the other translations.  I’m sorry we’re out of time, we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast.

Sid: We want everyone everywhere to be Red Hot for the Messiah, but there is something separating us from these promises of God.  And that something is sin, and it’s some of these sins are so subtle, I have Art Mathis on the telephone speaking to him at his office in Anchorage, Alaska.  And Art I have a quote from you from your book, “Biblical Foundations of Freedom” in which you say that “We can consider our bodies to be excellent barometers for what is going on spiritually in our lives.”

Art: Yes.

Sid: Give me an example of what you mean.

Art: Well, we have lived in a certain thought process that we think as normal, and we don’t even recognize that thought process.  But when we study what psychology and medicine and the Bible teach that, for example Proverbs says that “A good thoughts are health to our bones.”  Well, the bones produces, the marrow in our bones produces all of our immune cells.  So if we’re having a say an anxiety and stress disorder; let’s just take like asthma, asthma is listed as an anxiety and stress disorder and it’s caused by the bronchial tube and the ave liner, the lungs becoming rigid and trapping carbon dioxide and not releasing it.  Well, if someone’s got asthma I know without a doubt that their dealing with fear, rejection and abandonment issues in their life.

Sid: I find it fascinating that if someone tells you their disease you know what the toxic emotions are that are blocking that person from being healed.

Art: In most cases that’s true because Satan repeats the same activities over and over again and psychology Medicine and the Bible the all teach the same things.  There is not a disagreement.  The most easy people in the world to teach this to are medical professionals because they see it every day in their practice.  And most of what I teach I’ve learned from them, because they see it.  So in the asthma we have a 100% healing success in asthma if people are willing to pray and forgive those that abandoned them and rejected them and that the fear of more rejection that comes in their lives.  We see constantly little babies healed of the asthma or the colic or the weak immune systems that they are born with if parents are willing to deal with the ways that the abandonment came into their life.  I was just in India teaching a Pastor’s conference in January and as I was teaching about the asthma and fear two pastors came to me talking about their little children; one a five year old and one a four year old that had severe cases of asthma.  One was so severe that the child was having total analectic shock almost daily where he couldn’t breathe for five to seven minutes and would turn blue.  I was scared for that child; now this child was 300 miles away at their home.  I asked Mom, “What was going on, this was all through an interpreter, and she said that “We were so poor that the last thing we wanted was a baby; we didn’t know how to feed ourselves let alone feed this baby.”  And that fear of the future affected that child.  And as I lead the Mom and repenting for not trusting God to take care of her and the baby that God had given them, commanding that spirit of fear to go and commanding the lungs to open and heal the baby was healed instantly.  The five year old was healed instantly as we prayed for the baby in this meeting, I had Mom call on the cell phone and talk to her son and he was totally healed.  And I’ve heard reports since then by email by this family in India.  This is normal, healings happen constantly in this way.

Sid: You know there is a big word that most doctors use when they can’t figure out what’s wrong with someone and I use to make fun of it until I read your book, and that word is called stress.  I thought that that was just something that doctors came up with when they couldn’t come up with anything else.

Art: Well, stress is anything that causes a “fight flight” response.  Anything that makes us get, our stomach get a little tight or eyes to get focused and we get that extra strength we start to feel in our arms and our legs.  That’s a stressor and it starts that “fight flight response” that starts that fourteen hundred different chemical neurological reactions.  But the biggest stressors in our lives are anxieties, worries, fears, resentments towards others, self hatred towards ourselves, the way we don’t like ourselves.  Those are the biggest stressor that there are and every one of those emotions will produce its fruit of a disease in our lives.

Sid: And what’s the best way to get rid of stress?

Art: Well, trusting our Lord Jesus.  When we understand that being afraid or worried or anxious is really saying Lord I don’t trust you.

Sid: Which is another way of saying sin.

Art: Yes, see most of us don’t understand it that way, but when we start to look at it in those stark black and white terms yes that is a sin.  Then hallelujah we’ve found the answer, see we searched for sin because it is not in any form of shame or guilt, but because God’s provided and answer to the sin.  There’s always provided a way of escape, so when I find a sin in my life my response is, hallelujah I’ve found another sin, all alike?  No God’s got a way for me to get rid of this, so I start to pray and the Lord delivers me from that sin.  But he can’t deliver me from the sin until I take responsibility for; until I confess, until I repent, until I command it to leave.  I’m not going to live in this part of my old nature any longer, until I declare myself dead to that sin and that prayer process.  So we teach people to shout hallelujah when we have a sin.  The Bible tells us when we recognize a sin that we should repent.  Only repentance is required, we should never go into a worldly sorrow for our sins which would be more shame and more guilt.  So we need to overcome.

Sid: How do you overcome, let’s suppose you’re with a critical boss, a critical spouse and this is ongoing; how do you overcome that?

Art: We teach people that they can forgive right now for what we know is going to repeat with that boss or that critical spouse tomorrow.  So we just take on the clothing, the attitude of forgiveness.  Lord I choose in my heart to forgive right now what I know that is going to repeat at work tomorrow.

Sid: You’re talking basically humility.

Art: Well yes, and were talking about the power of God and we’re also talking about God’s love for us, because He’s always made a way of escape if we will do what He’s teaches.  But we’ve often been taught that we don’t have to obey, that we are just going back under the works or under the law if we teach people to obey and we’ve left out God’s freedom when we teach that.  We have to obey what the Lord tells us to do and there’s always a blessing found in obedience to Him because He’s a good God.

Sid: Tell me some diseases that are triggered by stress.

Art: Well, medical text books list over sixty diseases that they classify as anxiety and stress disorders.  So we can put in that category all heart disease, all stomach issues, all ulcers, chronic fatigue, allergies are really rooted in the stress.  Any anxiety or stress style disorder, all your blood issues, anemia, anorexia, eczema we’ve seen healings in all these things.

Sid: Now doctors talk about “You want to get rid of stress you should do deep breathing,” that just seems like a temporary fix to me.

Art: It is and it’s a manmade answer to the problem.

Sid:   Or if you want to get rid of anger, anger is really energy so you get a doll and you pound it on its head and you get rid of your anger.

Art: Well, that again doesn’t put closure on it brings the anger to the surface, the only way to actually put closure on any anger or resentment or stressor is to truly forgive and then God’s power comes in.  As Hebrew 9:14 says “It comes in and purges our conscience, it cleanses and renews our mind” and removes all the pain out that memory.  Just rehearsing the pain or regurgitating the pain doesn’t help.

Sid: You know I hear reports of many great healing evangelists that get tremendous results, but then twenty-four hours later a number of the people that were healed all the symptoms come back.  I think this is the reason they haven’t dealt with the toxic emotions.

Art: Absolutely, Karen would be an example.  Karen attends our church here; she attended a healing meeting that I was part of in our church a year and a half ago.  She had her blind eye healed; she had had a hemorrhage in here eye and all she could see was a big black spot.  And in that meeting God supernaturally healed that hemorrhage, the black spot went away, she had total clear vision.  On her way home that night she went back into her thoughts of fear, this healing is not going to last, and she got into a place in the road where there were no street lights and she lost that healing.  The next day she had the same old black eye, all she could see was the black spot.  And as we continued to minister to her two months later she received the full healing back as she got rid of that fear and that worry and that anxiety.  That’s been two years ago.

Sid: You know I remember as a young believer I had a believer that was even younger than me came to me one day and he didn’t need his glasses anymore, he was healed.  And he was so happy and twenty-four hours later he needed his glasses and he came to me and he said, “Why?” I didn’t know why.

Art: He had his anxiety, fears and worries; my optometrist teaches me that one of the biggest issues with eyes and how eye diseases and how we need continual stronger glasses is stress.  The anxiety, the fears the worries, the resentments of life.  And as we deal with those resentments then we find that that stress goes away.  As we deal with those fears we find that stress goes away and God’s peace floods in us and then our bodies function in homeostasis and peace as God intended them.  And those feedback loops and all those chemical reactions stop and there’s a supernatural peace that floods us and our bodies heal and operate as God intended them.  And they don’t age as quickly, they don’t self medicate with the food or drugs or alcohol to reach some level of peace because we found the true peace through Jesus.

Sid: And your book teaches what we’re talking about right now and then has the specific prayers for all of these areas.  How long has this book been out “Biblical Foundations of Freedom” it’s so wonderful?

Art: Well, we published it in 2000.

Sid: I know the reports you’re getting.