Sid RothComments Off on Our Guests Tom Horn & Cris Putnam
Sid: I have to tell you I have Tom Horn who is co-author of the bestselling book “Petrus Romanus” subtitled “The Final Pope is Here.” They made headlines because they predicted the Pope would retire and then the last Pope would come into office. And that’s exactly what occurred. But Tom on yesterday’s broadcast you were talking about some of these Vatican astronomers and experts put information into your hands as to what they’re up to. And when I read this I said “This is the most plausible understanding of end times the Book of Revelation that I’ve ever seen.” Tell me some of the information that you found out.
Tom: Well, yesterday we were talking about what Guy Consolmagno had told us that led us to; in fact we went back to him and said “We want to make sure that we’re not misquoting you; I mean are you really suggesting that Jesus would have – who was the son, the child of other races a star child, that basically as you view it the virgin birth of Mary who you so highly regard was equivalent to an alien abduction scenario in which the virgin birth was actually because she was abducted and impregnated by ET and gave birth to a hybrid-Jesus. And he confirmed that, and so all of this Sid would seem just impossible theology (laughing) if it wasn’t for the fact that so many high-ranking Vatican spokespersons are confirming it. Some of this is public knowledge some of these are public articles that I’ve been pointing to that have been written by Opus Dei level theologians who are fashioning the doctrine around which I foresee of soon coming people decree. This is what I believe, now don’t forget that I was able to predict but not because I’m calling myself a prophet but because we did so much exhaustive research; 10’s of thousands of pages of research, a team of six people who spent a year including private investigators looking into the murder of certain priests who we think were ready to talk about some of this stuff and suddenly they showed up dead. This was an exhaustive research project that eventually led us to predict that Pope Benedict would abdicate the throne siting health reasons and even when it happened and we were correct. Now because we were we went on then to what’s an even larger investigation, “Exo-Vaticana” which you have exclusivity to for the first release of the book. And we got other Vatican spokespersons willing to talk to us. By the way we went to the Vatican Astronomical Technology Telescopes; the Jesuits met with us and they gave us complete access to their telescope on top of Mt. Graham. We went from there to the large binocular telescope nest store to the Lucifer device is installed which they also use. And yes the device is actually named after the devil. And we spent the entire day; we spent about twelve hours with them that day.
Sid: Now that was in Mt. Graham, Arizona but interesting aspect about the Apaches right where the telescope is.
Tom: Yeah, well the Apaches consider that mountain to be sacred and even that’s interesting we talk about it in the book because they connect it to their creation myth in which a disk descended down from out of the heavens and the great creator god spoke them. And it sounds very much like today’s traditional descriptions of UFO activity. But they consider that mountain to be sacred and they call it the Star Base now, almost tongue and cheek because the Vatican personnel that is a top there using those various devices to study deep space. And when you start looking into the lawsuits that they have filed in the past to try to keep the Vatican from building their telescope a top of that mountain and all the history that surround that we go in the book you go back to like Dr. Christopher Corbally, he’s the Vice Director for the Vatican Observatory Research Group. He was until the end of 2012, so it was up until a few months ago. He too believes that our image of God is going to have to change and soon because of alien life being confirmed. He’s talked about this publicly and he says that it’s going to include the need to evolve from the concept of anthropocentric god into a broader entity. Well he means exactly what that sounds like; we’ve always thought that the earth was special that God created Heaven here that Jesus came here and they’re going to help us to understand that that’s not true. We live in Star Trek type reality there’s intelligent life all over the place spread throughout the cosmos many of them are morally superior to us. And as a matter of fact some of them have been given the destiny of soon coming to earth to evangelize us to correct the mistakes we’ve made in our theology that’s what he believes. The current Vatican observatory director is Father Jose Funes; he has gone equally far; he suggests that alien life not only exist in the universe but this is our brother and when it is revealed then the true faith of Christianity. And furthermore the dominion of Rome in regard to that true faith will take its final position. The El Observatory Romano, the official mouthpiece for the media, they ask him recently what he meant by that and he talked about how life can’t be ruled out; that the reality of it is sooner than later and these are our space brothers are going to come and help us with our theological problems. Monsignor Corrado Balducci he died a couple of years ago; he was an exorcist, a theologian, he was a member of the Vatican curia which is a governing body at Rome. He was a friend of the Pope, and he went so far as to go on Italian national television and you can Google the YouTube’s on this and watch him; in which numerous times he said some very important things. He stated that extraterrestrials are not only possible but they are already here and already interacting with the earth and that the Vatican’s leaders were aware of it. Now why is it important to pay attention to what he said? Because he was the official spokesperson for the Vatican on the reality of alien intelligence and he was a demonologist he was an exorcist. And he says that these creatures are not demonic and they’re not due to physiological impairment; that their reality on earth is real; they’re already interacting with us. And he even said that the Vatican was not only closely following the phenomenon, but they were quietly compelling material evidence using the Vatican’s embassies around the world on the extraterrestrials and their nation. And this was something by the way he died, the Vatican has never corrected that; they’ve never said that he was just speaking for himself; he wasn’t speaking for the church, and officially was speaking for the church and that’s never been corrected.
Sid: Let me take you back for those that were listening earlier in the week we found out that you had such a unique background Tom. You had literally scriptural information, revelation information, downloaded to you about a year after you became a believer. Of course you’ve been an Assembly of God Pastor for over 25 years and you teamed up with Cris Putnam whose a theologian so that everything is line upon line precept upon precept. But in your own family, uniquely enough, there was ET type activity; continue that story you started earlier; it was actually last week.
Tom: Why would I be interested in, you know, UFO’s, alien abduction, that kind of phenomenon? It was because there was this secret held in my family for a very long time that I’m now for the first time talking about in this book. I’m doing so Sid because I know there have to be an awful lot of other people out there who are Christian’s today but who had experiences in their past that seemed oddly comparable to what other people call alien abduction. And some of that stuff haunts them and they’ve never had anybody they could go to, they don’t have people they can go to to talk to. And the end of my story actually has to do with the fact that you can have complete and final deliverance over what some people call alien abduction phenomenon; it can be stopped dead in its tracks through the power of prayer and the authority of Jesus Christ. And I know this experientially, it’s not a theory with me; in my family we go into this very long story we won’t have time on this radio show to talk about but how my dad made a discovery. It was connected to some very famous UFO activity cases, but shortly after that my sister started experiencing, what I would only many years later as an adult because I was young then, as an adult I would begin seeing her story basically being told by others in abduction phenomenon. The day finally came when I went to her; we had very long conversations about this; she was not a Christian. And I realized that not only had it started happening when we were kids and it is very traditional the whole small bald headed beings coming into your room, the very traditional of what so many other 10’s of thousands of people around the world have reported. And over a period of time I was able to help her get her life right with God and claim the authority of Jesus Christ. I told her that when these things come you cannot just rely of me praying for you, you can get your life right and by getting your life right you can claim this authority. And now only was she having those experiences but a federal employee who was her daughter and it was her husband who was a nuclear physicist doing top secret work for the government that disappeared and has never been seen again. This is an astonishing story, it’s all documentable but in her case and in her daughters case we were able to see that activity stop permanently by their acceptance of Jesus Christ and their using the authority of prayer in the name of Jesus and that activity stopped. And we want other people to know that this has a demonic aspect to it and it can be ceased in its tracks that every power on earth and in the heavens bows at the Name of Jesus Christ and that’s the message.
Sid: …It’s a whole new paradigm for end times they document the secret files in the Vatican library and the belief that the Vatican says there are aliens from outer-space. “Petrus Romanus” the last Pope hidden deep in the Vatican libraries 900 years ago there was a vision of the next 112 Popes. Stunning accuracy of the first 111; now, this last pope will take office for the final judgment. The second book “Exo-Vaticana,” and I might add it’s not available in books stores; we have an exclusive on this for a while, documents Vatican plans for the arrival of an alien god, with a small “g,” from another planet. And complete reevaluation of Christianity; this is such a plausible view of the anti-Christ coming in the clouds to deceive the masses.
Sid: My guest, Rich Vera, and I have to tell you I am in awe of the experiences that Rich has had. But guess what? By the time this week is over there’ll be a great impartation in your life as a result of them. That’s why he had these experiences; he was raised Catholic, and through a series of circumstances God really brought him into Benny Hinn’s church; he saw miracles for the first time; he experienced the presence of the Holy Spirit; he got born again; he heard the audible voice of God; he literally had a visitation and his life was never the same, and the prophetic started. When he went to Latin America, Argentina, that’s where the miraculous started. Tell me about the vision of Jesus, you actually were taken in vision form to Jerusalem. Tell me about that Rich.
Rich: Yes, up to that time I was so hungry for the presence of God. I grew up in a church where the presence of God was the emphasis; of course by then Benny Hinn wrote the book “Good Morning Holy Spirit,” which I devoured that book and I made it part of my life. So in the middle of this, you know praying and spending time with God, in His presence and in worship, it was just a moment for us. The Lord sent me to Argentina in May 1997, I was supposed to go for a week; once again with a group of young people as a missionary. In the meeting I was not expecting what the Lord had in store, the last weekend of the meeting the pastor asked me if I would go up there and share a testimony. I said “Yes and I will.” I go up there and open my mouth and suddenly I felt a rumbling come in the room and the power of God hit. There was about 250 people and all of them fell under the power of God at the same time. There was such a move of God that the meeting turned into week suddenly into a month, 6 months; 2½ years later I’m still in Argentina having revival meetings, and people are getting blessed. I went to the north of Argentina and one of the services the pastor after lunch, there’s custom in Argentina you take a nap. Everybody naps from 12 – 4pm, they close just about every business and you go and nap and rest, and then resume work about 4pm. The pastor says “I have a feeling that something very unusual is going to happen tonight.” I said “Great I’m ready for it.” I went to the little girls room, I’m laying on top of a princess bed and trying to nap, and finally I was almost between sleep and being awake and I go into this vision. In this vision I see the Lord Jesus walking the streets of Jerusalem the dirt roads and healing the sick. There was sick people on the left and on the right blind and deaf and cripples, and all kinds of suffering people. He’s touching them and speaking to them and laying hands on them, and they were getting healed. I was following Him from behind like a cheerleader going “Yes! Go do it!” Suddenly He stops, turns around and says “Now you do it” and points His finger towards me. Honestly my reaction was like “I cannot” I said “I am not Benny Hinn.” He got close to me and He got His body into my body; the closest of what I describe this is Casper the Friendly Ghost, you know the old cartoons. When His body got into my body His body shape, which was different than mine it conformed to the shape and size of my body. The moment He got in I felt this incredible force on the inside of me, and then I walked and I continue exactly where He left doing exactly what I saw, touching some people, helping some, praying over some…
Sid: Okay, when you did this what happened?
Rich: Well about a minute after this I come out this vision, and when I come out of this vision the Lord speaks to me in an audible voice and says “Your healing ministry begins today. Pray for the sick.” I keep quiet, I didn’t tell the pastor. That night I went to the service, I didn’t want to tell the pastor I was really afraid, I was concerned, and that night I’m trying to flow in the anointing of revival and nothing was happening. I tried to pray for people, pump the music up nothing was happening. I begin to go “God did I do anything wrong? Did I sin? Maybe I didn’t pray enough.” The Holy Spirit speaks to me and says “Pray for the sick” and I said to Him “God know what if no one gets healed, nothing happens?” Suddenly I say “Well how many sick people in this place, stand up?” I’m thinking it’s gonna be maybe 5 people, there was about 150 people that stood up that night with sickness. I look in the crowd for somebody who looks the easiest case. I went to child on the front row, and I thought maybe this child has a problem with the lungs. So I just pray for him and if nothing happens then I will just send him home, you know play it off. I didn’t realize that this child was crippled had a metal brace on his left leg, a shoe that was many many inches with a heel for him to walk with a leg that was crippled and short.
Sid: Now why couldn’t you just get someone with a headache? [Laughing]
Rich: Cause the Lord blinded me from that.
Sid I’m just teasing you, go ahead.[Laughing]
Rich: [Laughing] You know I didn’t see the child with the braces when I approached him and the Lord set me up. So I kneel down and I say “How many of you believe the Lord can heel this child of whatever problem it is,” and the whole crowd is going “Amen.” While I’m talking, and I have my hands on his knees, the child’s legs stretches past passes the other leg and comes back to the size of the leg that was good. When I saw this I fell real quick on my back and I run behind the keyboard player. The mom took the braces out and the child took off running, and the power of God hit and many miracles happened. That’s how my miracles ministry begun.
Sid: You know I asked you a question when we were off the air, and that was when you began know things about people, and people didn’t want to hear it. People began persecuting you for these amazing gifts that you had. You kind of pretty much backslid; you went to Hawaii; you became a business man; you were fairly successful, but you were backslidden, and I said to you “How does someone that has had an experience like you’ve had, how can they backslide I don’t get it?” You said “Sid you have to know there is physical sickness, but then there is wickedness of the heart, it’s called iniquities.” That explains how people could have great experiences, greats miracles, but still in a weak moment fall back to their old nature.
Rich: Exactly. You know an iniquity it is not an action, an iniquity is a character of an action. You know, so most people focus in on the action “This person did this, or did wrong, committed adultery, went with a prostitute, did something.” For every action there is a character behind that action, there is something causes that person to do that action. Well we have focus on “Don’t do this” many times they wouldn’t realize that the reason they’re doing this because there’s a deep issue of the heart that needs to be dealt by the presence of the Lord, needs to be dealt by that renewing of the mind; it needs to be dealt by the power of God. So that’s what the Bible calls iniquity. So iniquity is the character of an action, and God… iniquity is the heart. You see the sin is the exterior thing; you do something you transgress the law of God…
Sid: But it’s not cause it’s the transgression is what you do because of that iniquity in the heart, in other words.
Rich: That’s exactly right. So we have focus on the action, so we have a group of people that they’re living lives, that are good people, says “Well I don’t smoke, I don’t drink, I don’t have sex outside of marriage.” That’s great that you keep a good life, but if there’s iniquity in your life, if there’s a heart that has harbored something you inherit, or maybe a character flaw from the family like people come from families that are drinkers, or that are womanizers. Suddenly you don’t realize that spirit, that thing got into you and you don’t know why it’s operating the same spirit that operated on your father, and operated on your grandfather. You know this is something Jesus wants to deal with.
Sid: And you know… the thing that happened is you got set free. Tell me about it, you actually thought you were dying on November 2005, you thought you were having a heart attack, what happened?
Rich: I was grilling fish at a friend’s house, and I had what felt like a heart attack and suddenly I fainted on the ground and pass out. I was instantly taken out of my body and taken to the gate of what it seemed to be heaven at that time, and I saw the Lord and all I could do was fall at His feet. I always had the idea that when I see Jesus I am gonna jump all over Him and kiss Him and hug Him. This time there was a terrified fear, and I fell at His feet and all I could do was just beg the Lord for His mercy. To give me the opportunity to go back and make it right, and that I’ll go back and preach the gospel, and I’ll live for You. I will not compromise, if you just give me one opportunity I’ll do everything you want me to do. It felt like hours; finally I begin to hear in the distance way down there the noise of the ambulance coming to the house. When I begin to look down, and I saw the ambulance the people on the back taking the little bed going in the house, in that moment I woke up on my friend’s backyard, and all I could say was “Don’t let them take me, this is not a sickness” I said “I’m alive,” I say “This is an experience from God.” They had no idea what I was talking about. They dismissed the paramedics, they drag me in the house, threw me on their couch and the moment I hit the couch I was out of my body back in heaven, but this time I was talking with Lord and walking with Him.
Sid: How many hours were you in heaven?
Rich: You know my experience physically it was about 6 hours, a little over 6 hours, but I know for a fact that me being there, and might sound very unusual, it felt like I was there for weeks, and months…
Sid: Wait no it doesn’t sound unusual to me, and the reason it doesn’t sound unusual is there is no time in heaven. So therefore, I have so many friends that were there just a short while and these things were downloaded that they’re just coming up with today that they didn’t realize it was downloaded while they were in heaven. Well our time has slipped away…
Sid: Red hot could be the middle name of my guest Peter Whitehouse; he’s the director of the Capital Region Prayer and Healing Center in Albany, New York. And he spent a life time literally of prayer for revival and they’ve had prayer in his region now for 5 years. But the last 9 months has been not your regular type of prayer it’s been such a prayer with fervency that 3 times a day, 5 days a week he’s prayer room is flooded with pastors from different denominations. And the thing that got me so excited Peter on yesterday’s broadcast is that you were talking about they’re beginning to see a lot of angelic activity going on and then you shared a prophetic word from our mutual friend a prophet by the name of Bob Jones. Which he saw the same angels that release revival in a man I interviewed Benson Idahosa throughout Nigeria have now come to the United States to release revival. You said that you’re prophetic understanding of those that are praying from your region is that it’s a foregoing conclusion we’re going to have a gigantic harvest. But how are we going to be prepared to handle this harvest, explain what you’ve been shown in your region.
Peter: You know Sid for years we’ve prayed with hopeful expectation for revival but some months ago we broke through into a new place and I would like to think that was the ascension position you know where we’re seated with Christ in heavenly places. All of a sudden there was a knowing. There was no longer a hopeful expectation revival is coming, make no mistake about it revival is coming to the United States. Okay, so having gained that place of knowing then you begin to see and pray what next, what do we need to have ready. Does the need to be a network for evangelism; well we believe the Lord is showing us that this is coming forth and the church of course for decades now at least 30 years we’ve talked about unity and that’s all fine and good and we need to continue to do that. But I believe that the Lord is forming now alliances and partnerships and networks of people with like mind and like heart for certain purposes for evangelism as it were. We also need to get ready to disciple all of those that are coming in to the Kingdom of God. We were never called to make converts we were always called to make disciples and we’ve really sold ourselves short, sold the Lord short. And I believe that the Lord wants to correct that this time around. So let’s join together vocally and nationally.
Sid: But I don’t think our net is prepared to handle the harvest, I have been preaching you listen to my broadcast that I see us about ready to walk into Amos Chapter 9 which talks about in the 11th verse the restoration of the Tabernacle of David.” And the Tabernacle of David has many meanings but in the literal meaning the word tabernacle in the Hebrew means “house” or “family of David.” So what God is saying is in the latter days there will be a restoration of the Jewish people to God and of course there is no other name given undo man in whom we must be saved but the name of Jesus. So when we see this happen the thing that excites me so much is that it talks about the rest of the verses of Amos chapter 9 talk about the greatest revival in history; it talks about a harvest that is so big that it’s impossible to gather in all the fruit. That’s what I’m getting out of what you’re talking about this harvest is going to be so big how can out system that we have right now handle it.
Peter: Sid you hit the nail right on the head, it can’t handle it. The Lord has been saying over and over again I’m doing a new thing. And actually it’s a new thing but it’s an old thing. And this is something that’s dear to my heart especially over these past months; I believe that we need to get back to the house church concept. And I think that this is really the only way that we can truly contain the harvest. It won’t be in… local churches as we know it will remain but I believe that they also need to restructure in order to encourage participation and…
Sid: Listen we need the local Gentile Church, we need the local Messianic Jewish Synagogue, we need the local house church, but I think that all 3 of them are going to have to change to handle this great, we’ve never had such an outpouring like this before.
Peter: Yeah, I believe you are 100% right.
Sid: What would you in again since we haven’t had this it’s hard to know how to prepare, but what advice would you give to a local church, what changes would you see they should be making now because I believe that I hear the rain. Listen I just read for Amos the 9th chapter that when we see the restoration of Jewish people to the Messiah someone tells me they estimate because that because of the Russian Jews that have gone to Israel that we’re already believers in the Messiah there’s upwards of 100,000 Jewish believers in Jesus in Israel. Can you imagine when there’s an outpouring of God’s Spirit in Israel it’s going to have the repercussion in the nations even the United States of America; that it’s a harvest that we’ve never seen in the history of planet earth.
Peter: This is a glorious day. You know that we’ve been longing for this and I believe that Isaiah 60 verses 1 and 2 is something that we’ve heard probably for the past 15 years. “Arise and shine for the light has come and the glory of the Lord has risen upon thee; behold darkness covers the earth and gross darkness its peoples the Lord will rise upon thee and His glory will be seen upon thee.” And this is the hour for the revealing of the sons of God. I believe that and this is very much linked with Israel and all of what you’ve just been saying. And God has been preparing us individually and corporately. I would say to the local church and local church government encourage participation and have small groups and/or cell church government. And there is myriads of books writing about this. You cannot pastor, you cannot completely disciple an individual or a congregation with a mere Sunday sermon and/or Bible study.
Sid: I mean the old paradigm of come once a week and get fed I don’t even see that as normal Christianity.
Peter: No it isn’t, it isn’t but in smaller groups people tend to have greater participation, they can utilize their gifts and talents and bring forth the word like the Corinthian church. Bring forth a little teaching, bring forth a one of the gifts, bring forth a song. And people grow in that atmosphere. As they do that then they will also be light and salt. How can we continue with being only a spectator sport, a spectator mentality; you come in and you sit down. The pastor does everything, a few people participate yes thank God and then you go out of church you know maybe with a good word, you’ve been encouraged. We need to get the church activated, this is what God has been saying over and over again. And you know something else Sid?
Sid: What’s that?
Peter: God has been speaking about churches in the work place. This is something that is yet to be tapped, but I believe that it’s coming forth. There is new book by Peter Wagner “The Church in the Workplace,” I highly recommend it and I believe that this is what God is about to do and if we’re to have true societal transformation, we’ve been talking about this earlier, that there needs to be leadership anointed, Christian leadership coming forth in the workplace in order to place things in order for the transfer of wealth that we’ve heard prophesied you know the wealth of the wicked is laid up for the righteous; well God has key men and woman in positions of authority and also those who don’t have any authority but they’re praying.
Sid: But you know Peter what I believe and I’ve interviewed people that have said this there’s also a new paradigm coming where is the old paradigm is someone that is not called to the five-fold ministry should go and make much money as possible and fund everyone else that is. The new paradigm is, you have the greatest platform in the world to be preaching the gospel not in the four walls of the church but in that marketplace. And it’s not just your money that God wants He wants you. And you are called to be a minister in that marketplace.
Peter: This is exactly what we’ve been hearing too. And we have to shatter that old paradigm, here-to-for that’s all the businessman was good for. You go make the money and you bring it to me so that I can fulfill my vision. And there’s nothing wrong with that but many of these have leadership gifting’s and God would release them to do exploits in the work place.
Sid: Listen I believe Peter that too many of us have sold God short and segmented Christianity to Sunday morning and God’s about ready to have a reformation; that’s what your book is “Returning to Normal.” What feedback are you getting from people that reading your new book “Returning to Normal?”
Peter: Well, people are receiving revelation about actually about what revival is, and that’s very encouraging; I was hoping to bring that forth. Also the need for revival is begun to burn within the hearts of some of the readers. And those that have been burned over and burned out, grown weary about hearing about revival they prayed for it for years and then said “Well, you know I don’t see it.”
Sid: Listen Peter let me tell you something those burned out people will get a fresh fire. My producer that has read this book has said “Give it back to me I’ve got to read from this every day it’s life… it’s giving me, it’s giving me a fresh fire. That’s what you are talking about the people that are burned out there is such a passion in this book for a move of God’s Spirit not to return to abnormal but return to normal.
Sid RothComments Off on Our Guest Peter Whitehouse
Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah in fact he calls that normal. Here’s an interesting quote “We are at a crossroads in human history we can make a difference; there is only one generation between a Christian society and an atheistic society. We’re seeing it happen before our eyes; only God’s intervention will change that and rescue our children and our nation.” My guest is Peter Whitehouse; I’m interviewing him on his new book I love the title “Returning to Normal.” Peter you have studied different revivals and you have seen how horrible society was and then how it has changed. Give me an example of one revival that might come to mind, and tell me whether it sounds like our society today.
Peter: Well, you know Sid revival has occurred several times in our nation. We’ve seen revival in 1735, around 1800 another one in 1857, 1904 and then the Azusa Street Revival in 1906. So there are plenty of precedence. Society in every one of these times had diminished and there was corruption, drunkenness, prostitution, the word of God was negated in many ways, diluted, compromise had set in. The church had become lukewarm. Then the Lord would put it on the heart of a few to begin to pray and God hears and answers prayer.
Sid: Now you have been involved in prayer in your region of the United States for a number of years. If I understand this right you’re doing that almost every day 3 times a week as ministers are coming in and various intercessors to pray in your city of Albany.
Peter: Well actually we have 3 prayer meetings a day. That’s 5 days a week, on Saturday we go to the streets and walk through the streets and intercede. Our place is right in the midst of the darkest section of town. We’re in West Hill in Albany, perhaps the highest crime rate and poverty rate. God has given us a big building it used to be a nursing home. It was established in 1849 actually, but for about the past 5 years we’ve been here with my partner Dr. Bob Piglow. We’ve been seeking to fill this place 24hrs a day, 7 days a week with prayer and intercession; local churches participating. We’re not quite there yet.
Sid: But let me ask you a question, you’ve been doing for quite a long time. You haven’t seen a major change in your city. Obviously you’re just human; you get discouraged; what keeps you pushing on for this?
Peter: The Lord revives me personally, and that’s the only way I can describe it. Yes you’re absolutely right. We’ve become weary in well doing, but when we begin to recognize that, we cry out to God, and say “We can’t continue to do this. You called us to do this but we can’t do it in our own strength, not our own zeal, we need you we need the power of the Holy Spirit to revive us.” I would just like to encourage those who are listening, those who have gotten weary. You know like revival burnout, you’ve heard about it for so long, you’ve prayed for so long, then you’ve given up. God is going to do this thing. He is not slack in fulfilling His promises. It’s been a matter of time, it’s been a matter of preparation of our hearts. There has been a lot of refining and pruning and breaking going on so that we can carry the glory of God in this hour that is soon to be upon us.
Sid: Peter we have had in the United States in the last few years what has been identified as revival and people have come from all over even the world to cities life Pensacola where backsliders, I think a 100,000 people made the first time decisions. And I mean that is in one church and yet the city of Pensacola, Florida was not affected by this revival that brought people from all over the world. What is your definition of Bible revival?
Peter: Well, I believe that revival even by its dictionary definition is bringing back to life something that is dead or dying. In regards to the church revival is the Church once again falling in love with Jesus, it is coming waking from its slumber to be vibrant and alive operating in the gifts and the power of the Holy Spirit. I believe it to be a sovereign work of God in response to prayer and in fact prayer that he initiates. Then there is another step to revival is the church coming alive but then filled with the Holy Spirit in love with Him she now wants to draw others to Him and so anointed evangelism takes place. The second part of revival is transformation and that could be city wide transformation or regional transformation.
Sid: You’re saying the bars closed down, the prostitutes are no longer in the streets, the pornographic stores go out of business. Is that what you’re saying?
Peter: Yes and laws change and practices in business change.
Sid: You mean the United States will not continue doing what Israel was judged on so many times and that’s sacrificing children or we have a polite word today it’s called abortion.
Peter: Yes, we have committed grievous sin against God we are one minute away from an incredible judgment and we deserved it, but God is merciful.
Sid: But speaking of God is merciful I got so excited when I read this note I just got a few days ago from you about the angelic activity that your intercessors are beginning to understand that is going on and then this prophetic word from Bob Jones. Would you explain that.
Peter: Yeah, we have been asking God you know we have fervent prayer and we’re asking God for His angels to come and to help in warfare warring angels. I know that we’ve talked a lot about angels over these years and they’re very real and we need their help. And during these times of the prophetic intercessors have been seeing angels coming with their weapons drawn coming through doorways coming through portals to do battle here in our region. Even nationally I’m sure many people are familiar with Bob Jones. He had a vision and he said “That it was the most profound vision that he had except for when he saw Jesus Himself.” And he saw twelve angels they looked like ordinary men and then one stepped forward and spoke to him and told him and I think that he said his name was “Breaker” and that he had been assigned to Benson Idahosa some of you may have remembered.
Sid: I interviewed him he was actually thrown in a trashcan because they didn’t expect him to live but God spared his life and he rose up to lead millions in Africa to the Lord.
Peter: Oh yeah, a mighty apostle of God in Nigeria. Well, anyway of course he passed away some years ago and this breaker angel and those others that were with him were saying that now God had assigned them to the United States. In Nigeria they were pushing back every hindrance, their assignment was to divert the enemies attacks; all of the obstacles, remove them for a flow of God Spirit, His revival Spirit. And so now these same angels who apparently did quite a fine job in Nigeria are being assigned to the United States, that makes me excited.
Sid: How far away or has it already started in the United States? We hear wonderful reports of what’s going on in other counties but the United States of America if you want to get a cross-section of what’s going on and you turn on the national news you can see that it’s not good things but how far away is this release of revival?
Peter: I believe Sid that we’re only months, not years. Now why do I say this, what does this different than 10 or 20 or 50 years ago? Simply this, there are prayer houses, prayer groups in churches and in homes being they’re springing up all over the nation and in fact all over the world. There are prayer houses spring up now almost every city in the United States or ones that are about to start. If God is stirring this and I’m certain that He is, it’s not just a fad or somebody looking at the miserable condition saying “We better pray.” God is initiating this prayer, if God is initiating the prayer Sid, He’s going to answer it; we can see this phenomena occur prior to every revival. There’s extraordinary prayer that breaks out and the Spirit of supplication even with travail and then God answers that prayer.
Sid: And you know what I believe Peter I believe that there are people listening to us right now that are going to be strategically used….