Sid: Hello, this is Sid Roth and I’m here with Katie Sousa and we’re having a lot of fun and we want you to get in on this conversation, but we don’t want you offended whatever happens don’t get offended. Because Katie Sousa is saying this is such a simple little thing, but it’s the thing that has stopped you from walking in the promises and the blessings that God desires more for you than you even want you yourself. You see everyone understands about its necessary to forgive but what do you do about those wounds that are in your soul that are clogging up the works? What do you do about all the opportunities everyday you have to be offended? And how…Katie Sousa I am so aware of catching myself now when I get offended I mean there is supernatural quality it’s done with humor, it’s done with you expose yourself, you tell two true stories of what’s happened in your life in this four CD series called “Stay Unoffendable.” But I can see that if I can do that I’m going to be able to manifest what my great heart’s desire is. And that is walk in the God kind of love 24-7, that’s my heart’s desire. And the little foxes that stop it are when it’s never been dealt with our you get these new chances to get your soul wounded.
Katie: Yeah, it’s true Sid I’m telling you, you know we talked yesterday about James where it says that “When you confess your offenses one to another you’re healed of diseases,” and some of the meanings of that word diseases are toxins, bacteria, viruses excreta. I have noticed such a shift in not only my personal life but my authority over diseases like that has completely gone to a whole new level because I’m totally going after all the offense in my life. Getting healed of all the old wounds that came from being offended for years and years and then keeping myself unoffendable from this point forward.
Sid: Now you talk in prisons a great deal, and talk about people that have to be terribly offended, terribly wounded. People in prisons that are even just Christians. Give me one quick testimony of what happens when you speak at a woman’s prison.
Katie: Okay, so we went to Lowell in Florida which is like the biggest woman’s prison there and we were teaching about the soul and about how we get wounded from being offended. And then these girls they just totally got it because they sent their lives offended at everything. You know at the police at the warden at the prison at their mothers and fathers, the people on the streets and all of it. And so during one of the breaks I was in the back in the chapel ministering to a couple woman and a woman stepped up to me and the Lord gave me a word of knowledge that she had like bacteria rot in her tooth, she had pain in her tooth. And I asked her if it is true and she said, “Yes.” She goes, “Yes mam, and I said “Well, let’s see let’s get it healed.” And I put my hand on her and I got another word of knowledge and it was that I heard the word property. Well, in prison a prisoners belongings is called property and so as I heard that word I felt this deep level offense on it and I said, “You know the Lord told me that somebody messed with your property and I think it was the police, the police,” And I said, “You got very offended when that happened and maybe said even offended words out your mouth about it.” And she said…I go “Is that true?” And she said, “Yes mam,” I said, “Well Proverbs 26 says “The the words of a slanderer are like deadly wounds that go down to the innermost part of the belly.” I said, “When you spoke those offended words they became like deadly wounds to you and wounded your soul and now it’s caused you to get sick because we will proper and be in good healthy even as our soul prospers.” I said, “So now you need to do, we need to do the two steps because I taught them and they understood.” I said, “I want you to put the blood of Jesus on the cross on your sin of offense, and I’m going to pray that the dunamis power of the Messiah will come from His resurrection and will cause you to be healed in your soul as those wounds that came from your words.” And so she repented for being offended and I put dunamis power from the Messiah’s resurrection into her soul and I commanded that her soul be filled with it and that her soul become excellent. And then I command the pain to leave and the bacteria to die and the tooth to be healed and new enamel and I stepped back and I looked at her and I said, “How’s that pain?” She put her hand up to her mouth and she looked at me wide eyed and she said, “It’s gone!” And we went out afterwards and we told that story to the woman in this packed out chapel in the prison and it was so funny, because after I was done I looked at the woman and said “Okay how many of you ladies here have ever been offended and said offended words at the police raise your hand.” The entire place raised their hand, ha ha. And then I said, “Okay, how many of you that raised your hand have mouth problems?” And like eighty percent raised their hand.
Sid: Now, how many people were you speaking to?
Katie: Oh I think that chapel fit 250 maybe 275.
Sid: That’s a lot of offended people, okay, then what happened.
Katie: Then, what we don’t understand is that when we get offended our words are like deadly wounds, they go down to the innermost part of our belly, they wound our soul. But remember what James says, that when we confess our sins we get healed of diseases. So our sins causes diseases like bacteria and viruses. And so when people speak words of offense out of their mouth it can cause gingivitis, periodontal disease, it can cause tooth rot, you know all kinds of dental issues. We got so many dental miracles happen, the woman in that meeting began to get healed of gingivitis and everything else when we began to pray the two steps. The blood from the cross of the Messiah, and then dunamis power from the resurrection of Messiah. Okay, now and I get similar testimonies all the time, I had a woman get on my Facebook and she said, “You know I got your list and I listened to the activation and I prayed it through and she said, “I didn’t feel it through and she said I didn’t feel anything at the time that I prayed but I have, she had huge gingivitis from periodontal issues, she goes, “My gums are so bad they are black and they have receded so much on the bottom part of my teeth you can see the roots of my teeth.” And she goes, “I prayed,” and this is on my Facebook, I mean she testifying. She said, “I prayed the prayer, the two steps, I didn’t feel anything, she goes I didn’t notice anything until later that night when I went to bed and I went to brush my teeth.” And I noticed that my gums weren’t bleeding, like they normally would so I opened my mouth and looked at my teen and my gums had changed colors from black to pink and they had grown back over the roots of my teeth.
Sid: You know we just have a little bit of time left, but you know what the Holy Spirit is saying we have a little bit of time on planet earth before Jesus returns but we want to redeem the time. Would you lead us in that two step payer right now?
Katie: Yes. Just pray with me; just say “Jesus.”
Katie: I repent.
Sid: I repent.
Katie: for being offended.
Sid: for being offended.
Katie: Take the blood
Sid: Take the blood
Katie: from your cross
Sid: from your cross
Katie: oh Messiah
Sid: oh Messiah
Katie: and wash my sin away;
Sid: and wash my sin away;
Katie: wash away the sin
Sid: wash away the sin
Katie: of every time I thought offended thoughts
Sid: of every time I thought offended thoughts
Katie: and spoke offended words.
Sid: and spoke offended words.
Katie: Put your blood on it now,
Sid: Put your blood on it now,
Katie: wash me away of the sins of offense.
Sid: wash me away of the sins of offense.
Katie: I forgive the person I’m offended at
Sid: I forgive the person I’m offended at
Katie: put Your blood
Sid: put Your blood
Katie: on their sins of offense
Sid: on their sins of offense
Katie: So they do not get sick
Sid: So they do not get sick
Katie: cleanse us both now Lord in Your Mighty Name.
Sid: cleanse us both now Lord in Your Mighty Name.
Katie: Now see most people would stop there Sid, but now we’re going to do Step Two okay. We’re going to partake of the dunamis power that comes from the resurrection. So everybody pray with me now. Now
Sid: My guest Reza Safa born in the Middle East, raised in Shiite Islamic studies. He literally was what I’ve been calling not a radical Muslim; he was a normal Muslim it happens to be synonymous. You have people in the religion of Islam and then you have normal Muslims. Now on Mondays broadcast we started something and we never got to it on Tuesday’s Reza you just recently got back from India. Now these Hindu’s how many Hindus accepted the Lord would you say from this trip?
Reza: I estimated three nights about 180,000 people.
Sid: And you see a Hindu will not accept, I always remembered the story of T.L. Osborn when he went to India he was a burned out missionary and then he learned about the supernatural; he learned about miracles and his whole life was transformed. Tell me you know I know a lot of people were healed at this meeting, but pick one person and tell me about one healing you saw with your eyes.
Reza: Well, one girl she must have been, and we have all of this actually on tape, we had a camera person that filmed the whole thing and we’re showing it on our shows. One girl twelve years old that she was deaf mute, born deaf mute and hear ears opened and she was very scared on the stage as you see the camera shooting her face she’s in tremendous fear because she hears all these sounds and with her mouth she can say words. It’s really amazing experience to see people that are born blind, we’ve see that many time in India, people that are born blind just a fear get hold of them and starts seeing everything. People that are crippled and lame and what God is doing is tremendous, but that girl really touched my heart seeing her face how scared she was when her ears opened up.
Sid: Now, just out of curiosity when did you realize that the Bible was true that when someone believes in Jesus they’ll do the same works that Jesus did and even greater. When did you start seeing the blind see, the deaf ears open, the lame walking?
Reza: You know Sid when I got the Bible from these two Swedish missionary in Persian language for the first time what fascinated me more than anything was Jesus healing because there are no miracles in Koran and Mohammad performed no miracles whatsoever. And the healings and the four gospels fascinated me greatly and when I got saved there was a Pakistani brother who had just accepted the Lord he was also Muslim. And he told me about the baptism of the Holy Spirit. So it was a Lutheran church where I got saved in so I didn’t know anything about various denominations various beliefs I just read the Bible and practiced it. And of course in that Lutheran church they kept telling me, “No, you just calm down you don’t lay hands on people, you don’t pray for the sick people.” But this brother gave me a book by Kenneth Hagen and by T.L. Osborn, and reading that book on T.L. Osborn just touched me and you know I start from early timing in my Christian walk started practicing laying hands on the sick. And as a matter of fact this was my philosophy I used to knock on door of Muslims and ask them, “Is there anyone here who’s sick?” Because I knew if I argue with them about Jesus that’s going to go forever I say about the Bible, they say about the Koran. But I thought if I can get them healed then they will listen to me because that power manifestation doesn’t exist in Islam. One great example of this is my mother she came to see me in Spain after four years that they had disowned me for the first time after my conversion. And the first day she arrived because they thought I’m mentally crazy they actually tried to put me in a mental hospital through the embassy in Sweden. And I noticed that she had pain in her arms so I said to her, “Momma, what’s wrong with you?” She said, “I’ve got rheumatism in this arm.” Well, instantly I knew in my spirit this is my chance. So I lay hands on her Sid, and I said, I didn’t ask her anything I just said, see the Bible doesn’t say pray for the sick, in the Bible Jesus said “Go heal the sick.” I lay hands on her and I say “Momma, Jesus Christ of Nazareth heals you” and instantly the pain left her. From that day on she; every time she had a prayer request she would call me and of course two years ago she accepted the Lord so…
Sid: You know I had the identical thing happen with my mother, my mother would not become a believer in Jesus but when I pray for her miracles would happen and whenever my mother got sick she started calling me and then she started calling me for some of her friends to pray. She still wasn’t a believer in Jesus and before she died she became a believer in the Messiah so there’s a lot of parallel in our life Reza and for those Mishpochah that don’t know it Reza has the most wonderful television network in the Farsi language in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan wherever they speak in the Farsi language. And It’s Supernatural is on his network, tell me about that network, how did you even start it?
Reza: Well, about ten years ago Sid the Lord spoke to me that I will broadcast the pro-Christian program and TV programming around the world and at that time I didn’t know that there was such a possibility and that there was satellites. And about five years ago the Lord spoke to me supernaturally I was in a little church in Philadelphia and the Lord said to me “The man is coming tonight and giving you $90,000; $50,000 for your crusades in India two crusades in India” through which over 300,000 Hindu’s came to Christ. And He said, “The rest of it $40,000 buy TV equipment, you’re going to soon start broadcasting.” I said, “Lord, $90,000, this church if they give me $1,500 after the service I’ll be tap dancing.” And of course the Lord did what He said; the man came and gave me $90,000, he pledged it that night sent to checks to me the following week and I did what the Lord said in India. And then the rest of it I bought equipment and I started taping Christian programming in Farsi language without knowing where I’m going to air it.
Sid: I was going to say I don’t think they allowed Christian programming at that time.
Reza: Exactly, wouldn’t allow it at all. So I started taping this programming. So here’s the interesting thing, when I was in California I preach in a little church, Iranian church. They told me about these satellite networks that are popping up in California broadcasting into Iran. And so I called one of the and I realized that I could buy air time and these are you know through satellites so the Iranian government couldn’t control them and I started an hour weekly through this secular satellite station, and then I turned into three hours weekly and then last year Paul Crouch heard about us and we went into a partnership and began the whole network 24-7.
Sid: What affect is this having, I mean are Islamic people in Iran and Iraq and Afghanistan and the other nations are they really watching Christian television?
Reza: Oh Sid, you would be amazed in Iran for the past 27 years of this rain of this Islamic regime and oppressive Sharia law the majority of people are either suicidal. Over 2 million kids are hooked on drugs. There is, they have you know when Khomeini came to power he said “Joy is on Islamic we will kill joy in Iran.” And he did it, and so their hearts have been so receptive. You know a few years ago, ten years ago it would have taken me a whole year to give the Bible to a Iranian to get him to read it. They would argue forever with me on it, but today they see our program, half-hour and they weep during the whole time, they call us long distance wait in line for twenty thirty minutes. Call us within six month or within a year time after time after time again in order to have a time to pray with us.
Sid: Tell me one specific person, I like specifics.
Reza: Well, I just had a call yesterday that I talked to a man who was in Sweden, this man his wife went to the church and apparently she became a Christian. Now he would refuse to go to the church, she started establishing a relationship with a man who lead her to the Lord and committed adultery and this led to confusion upon this man. And he started cussing Christianity, cussing church, went through divorce with his wife just incredible heartbreak. One night he was so angry he gets a gun he decides to kill the man who committed adultery with his wife. At night he prays this prayer to Jesus. He says Jesus are you the Son of God? Are you hearing what I’m going to do? Because I’m going to kill this man tomorrow, if you are, stop me. So he goes to sleep the following morning his plan was to go to the church and shoot the man. He goes to sleep, 3:00 at night somebody taps him on the shoulders and says “Get up and watch TV.” He thinks it’s his brother he tells him, “No, no I’m not going to get up and watch TV it’s the middle of the night, go to bed, he calls his brother go to bed. The guy taps him on the shoulder again and say “Get up and watch the TV.” He gets up, he goes and he see all the rooms lights are on which he turned everything off when he went to bed; he looks around, he thought it was his brother sitting in the room, it wasn’t his brother. There was nobody there and the TV was on and it was a movie on Jesus. It was a Jesus movie on channel 4. Jesus was talking about revenge, “Eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.” And he just sits there and fear comes upon him that this is God is speaking to him and he starts sweating profusely, and after a while he comes down and turns the light off, goes to bed. Gets up in the morning and he just gets away from the idea of killing the man. And one day he was watching the TV and he came across my program, and he heard me preaching and he said, “I was making fun of you in the beginning but once I started listening to you he said for 24 hour I waited in front of the TV just to hear you to teach. And he said that day he laid his hands on TV and accepted Jesus and now this was last month he came to Christ. He said, “His forgiven his wife and now he wants to serve the Lord, he called me and said, “What do I do?”
Sid: Listen, revival is happening there; revival happening among Muslims…
Sid: My guest is a former; I use the word radical Muslim Shiite background from the Middle East Reza Safa. Reza there’s something that is bothering me that you’re the best person to help me out. In Christianity in Judaism we have normal Judaism, normal Christianity, and then we have religious Judaism, and religious Christianity. We don’t call normal Christianity radical we call it normal. But in Islam they have what they call radical Islam; what is different between radical Islam, and someone that follows the Koran with all of their heart?
Reza: Well, actually a radical Islam and a radical Muslim like I was, like a person like Ben Laden he is a true Muslim he is the one that keeps the law the Sharia law; he’s the one who reads the Koran and obeys the commandment because of the nature of the Koran is so violent. And so when somebody acts that out or somebody obeys that then they consider him a radical or somebody who’s just you know exaggerated the practice what when in reality that’s the true Muslim.
Sid: So, we might say a normal Muslim is radical, a true Muslim is radical is that fair?
Reza: That’s fair.
Sid: How fast is Islam growing in the United States and in other countries and around the world?
Reza: Well, some according to some stats Islam is it’s know to be one of fastest growing religion in the world and that’s not so much do to it’s message but do to it practices. And Islam has been successful in areas where there’s a lot of poverty; for instance one example Hamas goes to Southern Lebanon into Beirut area into the poor neighborhood and establish the money that comes from Iran and Saudi Arabia. They establish schools and they establish hospitals, and help the poor people. In Africa for instance, I’ve been there many times. They build the school in a village where their animus and they say “Whoever, all the kids are welcome to use this school if you convert to Islam.” And so that’s how they’re growing, in America in inner cities they are successful because the nation of Islam goes into the inner city and the prisons and clear out the neighborhoods from drug dealers and now they convert them a lot of these kids who are just without father, without mother without proper education and convert them into their faith.
Sid: Now, in our US government because we have a democracy, a republic we actually have people that are in our congress that are sworn in on the Koran, we actually have well the President of United States during Ramadan has special events in the White House.
Sid: Is there anything wrong with this?
Reza: I believe so you know last year when President Bush wish is by the way it’s been his practice since 911 that he invites the heads of Islamic movements into the White House and breaks the fast with them during the end of Ramadan. And he added a Koran to the library of the White House. The Lord spoke to me He said, “Because of what he has done he’s opening the gates for the spirits of Islam to invade this land.” And of course after that day since last year is more and more Koran, more and more you know; we found out recently that Saudi Arabia for instance is with their money coming to America to the universities and establish the school of Wahobes with their own theological schools in the universities the United States. Here in Tulsa, Oklahoma our university the TU University paid $400,000 to build a mosque for the Muslim population of the student of the universities.
Sid: Now I’m going to make a crazy statement I have no facts to go on help me out, I’m not saying this is from God, but this is just something I think. I think every mosque in America is a potential Mecca for terrorism, would you comment on that.
Reza: I believe everywhere there is a Muslim who believes in the Koran, obeys and prays five times a day that Moslem is a potential to obey Surah chapter 9 verse 5. “Slay the pagans wherever you find them.” That’s the commandments in the Koran; so if you believe in it, if you obey it that’s the commandment.
Sid: What does the Koran say about Christians, and what is a normal Muslim think of Christians, not what he says, but on the inside?
Reza: A Muslim you know a Christian is an infidel to a Muslim, here is Surah references the Koran chapter 5 verse 14 it says, “From those two who call themselves Christian, we did take a covenant but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them. And so we estranged them with enmity and hatred between the one and the other to the day of judgment and soon Allah will show them what they have done.” In Surah 9 verse 29 and in verse 5 it says “Slay those who believe not in Allah nor at last they now hold us for what is forbidden by Allah, nor acknowledge the religion of truth; even if they are the people of the Book.” Meaning the Jews and the Christians so in other words a Christian, my sister for instance here’s their practice. My sister loves me to death, when she came to see me for the first time in Spain when I was there four years after my conversion, every time she touched me she washed her hands, every time she kissed me she washed her face. I knew what she was doing because I use to practice this but I wanted to challenger her I said, “What are you doing, she said, “You are unclean to me.” And so although she loves me to death she would give her life for me but I am unclean. Now you imagine if you treat your blood like that what would you do with a foreign? So Christians are in Arabic they’re known as Moshreck, those who find partners unto God and they are worthy of dying.
Sid: Now President Bush has on record that he wants his legacy to be when he leaves the White House the president that set up the two state solution in the Middle East. The nation of Palestine and the nation of Israel; what do you think of that?
Reza: You know when he began this process peace process the Lord spoke to me and I wrote him three page letter, one of the former wife of the FBI called me, she had read my book “Inside Islam” she had called me, she said, “Reza you need to talk to the President.” I said, “Mam they are not going to listen to me, I’m just a pea in a big pot. She said, “No please, she said I won’t leave you until you call him.” So I said “Okay, I’ve written to letter and I will send that letter to him, so she gave me a number and I called and I sent the letter and of course with no response.” I believe with all of my heart that our politicians including our President with all due respect they do not understand the radical Islam.
Sid: Normal Islam; is what I believe but go ahead.
Reza: The peace process you have to understand has nothing to do with that piece of property in Israel. The hatred against the Jews has been since the time of Mohammed again going back to Mohammed and his tradition the Jews rejected him, the Christians accepted Mohammed, but the Jews rejected him because he couldn’t be a prophet of Jehovah God because he wasn’t a Jew he wasn’t the son of David. So from beginning revelation came to Mohammed that the Jews are the enemy of Islam so that hatred has been practiced. The killing of the Jews has been practiced even before 1947 the state of Israel. So in other words this peace process is based upon ignorance that the dividing of the land will not bring peace to Israel period.
Sid: It just, I mean if I was not someone that believes in God and I just understood the nature of Islam I would have to come to that conclusion. I’m holding in my hands a very special book, it’s called “Inside Islam, Exposing and Reaching the World of Islam.” What kind of feedback are you getting from your book?
Reza: Actually that book has been translated to several languages and we’ve had tremendous responses both from Muslims and Christians. You know Kenneth Copeland took this book, they had a 3000 misprint and he took those 3000 misprints and sent them into the prisons. And as you know in maximum security prisons we have a lot of problem with radical Islam. Some of those Imam’s read this book knowing that they are going to collect more knowledge about Islam and they converted back to Christianity by reading that book. So it’s been tremendous knowledge, many of our politicians have read that. We had a lady in Austria bought two cases of this and sent it to every Parliament member.
Sid: Why should a Christian read your book?
Reza: Because we need to understand what we are facing, we need to understand who it is who we are facing. We need to understand what is the condition of the end-time and this religion is the forerunner of the anti-Christ and we need to know what they believe in.
Sid: Well, God recently spoke to you about what’s going on with Israel and the United States and Muslim countries right now prophetically which will talk about later on in the week. But your book “Inside Islam.” If you call yourself and Christian and you don’t understand, what’s going on with Islam in England right now?
Reza: You know Sid as you know for the past thirty years that entire has become Islamtized, you have 100’s of churches that have turned into mosques. England they have actually have affected the Parliament the constitution of England, of the British Constitution has been changed. It used to be the protector of faith singular now it’s the protector of faiths plural. Now and in his inauguration he’s invited the heads of the Islamic Community for his correlation to lay hands on him in the name of Allah. Here is a nation that produced John Wesley and great men, Jonathan Edwards, and now is becoming everywhere you go and every store they sell Hallah meat. Islamic law has influenced every aspect of their faith.
Sid: Is that their goal for the United States too?
Sid: Now I have a man on the telephone I’ve never personally met but I am excited over what God is doing in his life. He comes from a Shiite Muslim background in the Middle East. And Reza Safa just for our Mishpochah to get to know you a little bit; what was your life like as a Shiite Muslim?
Reza: I grew up in a very radical home; when I say radical meaning our father was a true Muslim; kept the law and the commandment and the Sharia law. And he trained us, all of our kids, there are nine of us, that we need to also keep the Islamic laws. So ever since I was a kid he would kick me early in the morning, as far back as I remember my name, to get up early in the morning and to do my prayer. I had to learn it by heart the prayer; it’s in Arabic which is a foreign language to me and I had to learn it by heart and then stand before Mecca and go up and down kiss the ground and then repeat those phrases.
Sid: You know Reza, you may not know this but because I come from a traditional Jewish background so much of what you say to me is similar to my experience.
Sid: I learned how to read Hebrew but I didn’t understand a word I was reading and it was like tradition learned by rote. I have to tell you I don’t know what you’re reaction personally was, I’d be curious. But my reaction as a kid having to do this is I was, I didn’t want to do it, I wanted nothing to do with it, I couldn’t wait till I was old enough to walk away. What was your reaction?
Reza: Actually I was the opposite I just did everything in my power because my father put such a desire in my soul for loving God and pleasing him. I did anything, I remember when I was oh six, seven years old I would fast 30 days and I wasn’t allowed to eat and drink as long as the sun was up. And you know I remember as a kid toward the evening my knees would clap because I was so thirsty and I couldn’t even brush my teeth with water and I had to stand their put ice on my head and put a hose over the ice just to cool my body down. And I did all of that and I would get up very early in the morning, I would pray five times every day, I would pray extra prayers, sometimes I traveled 18 hours by train to go to the shrine of a dead imam to pray a whole week just to please God. I had such a incredible zeal in my heart for God and that was my upbringing.
Sid: Okay, but let me ask you something, in Christianity we think of God as our loving Father, in Islam what as a young man did you think of God as?
Reza: God is a supreme being that is too far and too massive to be contacted by human beings. So the only way that you can please him is to keep his commandments, to keep constantly doing good. And your life is based upon constantly doing good and keeping the law in order that that God is pleased.
Sid: And could a human hear from that God?
Reza: Oh, it’s impossible, no he is not to be touched, he is not to be heard, he’s not to be contacted, his being is far greater than human beings being able to touch him.
Sid: And what was your thought about the Koran?
Reza: Well, of course the Koran is the most holy most revered book you know like even when you touch it you carry it, you have to carry it with both hands, you have to do a special washing even before touch the Koran. And so you read it then again the language is Arabic and Persians speak Farsi so it’s a foreign language. So I had to learn, I had to study there years of Arabic in order to be able to read the Koran. And of course a lot of, as a child, a lot of the knowledge that I received was depending upon my Father. And he would take me to special services to special meetings and learn the things about the Koran.
Sid: But what did you think about Mohamed and the way he wrote the Koran?
Reza: And again as a Muslim you believe that he’s holy that he’s not like any other man that he’s the most elected chosen one and that you revere him greatly you, there was a great there, a great, there is no way I can describe a great fear and love in the hearts of Muslims toward Mohammed.
Sid: And the fact that he was uneducated and to write the Koran did that impact you?
Reza: Really you consider that’s, the Muslim’s believe that that’s the beauty and miracle of the Koran that it was written by an illiterate person. Meaning that he couldn’t come up with those, a matter of fact there was a verse in Koran that says “That if you do not accept our message then come up with a book better than this.” As a matter of fact a group of Arabs have and they have written a better book than the Koran.
Sid: And what is that?
Reza: It’s a known book that a group of Arabs scholars has written in a better poetic format of Arabic and better…
Sid: So it’s the same as the Koran just better choice of words.
Sid: Okay, now you, some Swedish people start talking to you about Jesus, the begin teaching you why did you even listen to them?
Reza: Well, when I came to Sweden I was in confusion coming out of what’s been happening in Iran, I was a year in America. Went back to Sweden , or to Iran to get involve with the revolution and coming back to Iran there was chaos of hatred and division and so I wanted to leave the country, there was something on the inside of me was urging me the whole time that I need to leave the country. And I said to my mother one day, I said “I’m leaving this land again and I will not ever again come back here.” And so I left, and this time I went to Sweden and met an America girl, exchange student, who was a Christian, and she impressed me greatly and through her I met two Swedish missionaries who I was their first product, their first if you would laboratory experiment. And they had been working among foreigners for many years without any result. To me they were two of the most naïve weak group of people and I thought I could take advantage of them. And of course the more I got involved with them and they took me to their homes, loved on me the more I was convicted that I was in darkness.
Sid: And one night you prayed to know Jesus and nothing happened, but the next day what happened?
Reza: You know when they gave me a Bible in Persian and when I read that Bible it really brought a lot of conviction to my heart. So one night I prayed after six months of just fighting this. I said, “Jesus are you the Son of God, are you what the Bible says You are? Then show yourself to me.” I asked for an appearance, I said, “I if You show yourself to me I will, if you hear this prayer and show yourself to me I will give you my life.” And I went to bed and the following morning it was my custom to get up and pray before the sunrise, and when I got up…
Sid: I wish more Christians would have the same custom but go ahead.
Reza: You know it’s amazing what a zeal Muslims have when it comes to prayer and fasting.
Sid: Listen, I have always felt I want to get about a dozen young Orthodox Jews that immediately come to know Jesus and not get them, have them end up like normal Christians, have them walk on water. But I think maybe I’m going to change it, I want six Orthodox Jews and six Muslims young that come to the Lord would that be a team, or would that be something?
Reza: It would be awesome. [Laughing] Actually we do have them, in our team we have a lot of Muslims that are just on fire for Jesus.
Sid: Okay so the next morning what happened?
Reza: The next morning I sat on my bed and I’m not a morning person, so the morning prayers was very difficult for me, because you have to get up and wash a special washing, cleansing and then standing before Mecca and repeating these nonsense words in Arabic. And I sat on my bed I heard the voice of God, it was an internal voice, which I had never experienced in all these years of praying as a Muslim. And that voice said, “Reza,” called my name actually said, “Reza, you don’t need to pray like this anymore, your sins are forgiven you.” And He wasn’t so much of what I heard it was so much of what I felt that touched me. You know as a Muslim you just carry such a burden constantly pleasing God, just a guilt, guilt conscience on you constantly, and that day that conscience of guilt was just lifted from me, I felt like a baby. And I put my bed back on that pillow again and I slept like a baby. I don’t ever remember up to that point I ever slept that well and that was the beginning of my journey with the Lord.
Sid: Reza, I just want to whet the appetite of our listeners right now you just got back from a campaign in India what did you see with your very eyes, just briefly?
Reza: Well, we saw first night that we had about 80,000 Hindu’s came to Christ and many blind eyes.
Sid: Did you get that, 80,000 Hindus; people from another religion came to Jesus. Did they see many signs and wonders and was that the catalyst that God used?
Reza: Exactly, many first night was many blind eyes, second night were crippled people, and then the third night were deaf and deaf mute.
Sid: Listen we’re out of time right now, we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast Mishpochah; but Reza has a book must book that so few Christians really from a simplistic viewpoint really understand Islam and what they’re up to. And I mean, the percentage of people that are turning to Islam and black Islam in the United States, you really got to understand this because if a Christian doesn’t understand this how can a Christian pray? How can a Christian evangelize?