SID: You know, psychiatrists talk about people that live in denial. Well my guest Bill Johnson says he wants us to live in denial. Bill, how can you say that?
BILL: Well it’s a play on words. But I, you know, when the devil puts a request across my desk, I say, request denied. That’s me living in denial. I deny his perspective on anything, his influence. It’s, I don’t deny his existence. I just deny him a place of influence.
SID: All right. Give me an example of a decree you might use.
BILL: We live with a conviction that nothing happens in the Kingdom apart, except first through, a declaration. And so what we do is we get the heart of the mind of God in a manner it would make a decree. Sometimes things change simply because we’ve made a decree. This is not the purpose and plan of God for my life. I reject this. You have no place. And there are times where just a simple decree ends a matter. Other times there’s more intercessory prayer. Sometimes there’s worship. Sometimes, literally it’s just shifting focus and not being preoccupied by the size of a problem. Sometimes we ask—
SID: So if you’re not preoccupied by the size of your problem, what are you preoccupied with?
BILL: Well, with Him. Honestly, it’s with Him. It’s with His promise, it’s with His Word, it’s with His heart for me, it’s with His presence that is with me. I’m going to feed from that regardless and I’m going to live towards any challenge that I have from that sense of co-laboring with the Lord, His abiding presence, that dove that remains on me. That is going to be the way I approach any given situation.
SID: Tell me about, this sounds…awful situation. Woman is in a car accident. She loses the use of her arm. Tell me about that woman.
BILL: She actually was a part of another church in town, great church. And her daughter wanted to go to church on a particular day when they didn’t have meetings. So they came. I found out the story afterwards because I didn’t know her. But she had had several surgeries on her arm. It was several inches too short and she had no use. She had no feeling, I believe it’s from the elbow down and she had no movement. She couldn’t grip. She couldn’t lift. She couldn’t, she had a two-year-girl that she couldn’t even pick up because of no use of this arm. And so at the service we went into a time of praying for the sick and her daughter, one of her daughters said, “You need to go to the front.” She didn’t want to. Finally just out of yielding to her daughter, she went up and one of our ladies just prayed for her. And literally in just moments of time the arm grew out the full length. She had full use and they came and got me. So I ran over. I was obviously excited, thrilled with this report, trying to get information. And while I was there, the little girl came up to her and she reached down to her little girl, and the little girl, “No mommy, broken arm.” I heard this. “No mommy, broken arm, broken arm.” She had heard that her entire two-year life that her mommy couldn’t pick her up because of no use in this arm. And the mother said, “It’s okay, honey.” And she picked her up and the smile on that little girl’s face, I’ll never forget the rest of my life because it was the cry of the little girl’s heart for mom, and Mom could hold her now in a way that she couldn’t before. It was just stunning. Experiences like that change how you see any following problems.
SID: House of God, you teach on that. Why is that such an important concept?
BILL: We are the House of God. We are the dwelling place of the Almighty God. And when we lose awareness, consciousness of the Spirit of God upon us, in us, we live different. Everything changes. But when we live with the abiding realization that God is with me, not just as a point of theology, but as the companion, as the empowerer, as the one who guides and directs, that Person that I co-labor with, living with that realization changes everything. Everything I think, everything I expect, the way I pray, everything is different because now I’m not begging Him to invade. I am with Him trying to pick up His heart and mind so that I can be used by Him to bring about a change. Change is everything.
SID: There is a scripture that’s coming to me: “The Kingdom of God is not food or drink, but righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.” What does that mean to you?
BILL: I love that verse for several reasons. One, is the Kingdom of God is in the Holy Spirit. So the realm of the Kingdom, the realm of God’s dominion and rule is in the realm of the Spirit. So realizing the reality of the Kingdom coincides with my discovery of the presence, of the manifest presence of the Holy Spirit. And so that’s why those two work together so well for me is because the more I discover Him, the more I pick up His heart, the more I become aware of the dove that remains, the presence upon me. The more that happens in my life or in our corporate gatherings, the simpler it is to see His purpose is accomplished in that gathering, because the Kingdom is in the realm of the Spirit.
SID: Now when we come back I’m going to have you pray for people.
SID: But because you have this renewed mind, what is, you can tell me now, what is going to happen when you pray for these people?
BILL: Well there’s going to be miracles. We just had, just a few weeks ago, I just got a report this Sunday of a gal who stood up on behalf of her son who had milk and gluten allergy, food allergy. He was also autistic. But we were praying for food allergies. She stood up for the food allergies, went and got a pizza after the service. He was healed of food allergies and healed of autism.
SID: Okay. When we come back, get ready because I proclaim, Bill proclaims and even more important, God proclaims, by His stripes you were healed.
Sid: Mark you made the statement that God always warns before judgment, and God is getting out attention with a heavenly billboard. What did you mean by the heavenly billboard?
Mark: Well that’s what’s amazing God created the sun and the moon to send signals on His feast days. That’s what it says so what a great a way for God to communicate to believers from every tribe and nation and tongue equally, but through eclipses falling on His feast days. It’s only if we are not on His calendar that we miss the signal. And so here God is warning His Body all over the world to get back on to is calendar and to understand what’s coming.
Sid: Well do you get this feedback I’m getting it on people that look at your calendar and your book and your DVD about the blood moons and the Biblical feasts and the rehearsals. And the warnings that God is giving that all of a sudden their exploring the Bible from a whole new perspective.
Mark: Yes it’s a total paradigm shift and once the light goes on I tell you what they develop such a thirst and a hunger for the word of God. They become carnivores, meat eaters. You know Paul says in the Bible that some people are still on milk and they need to be eating meat well I find that when they understand these things all of a sudden they become meat eaters they jump in they’re all in when it comes to studying the Bible.
Sid: Well I happen to believe one of the most supernatural events I have ever heard of in all of the years I’ve been researching the supernatural of God, is built into the first feast where they exact timing of the first coming of Jesus. And built into the second group of feasts where the exact timing of the second coming of Jesus. I mean it is so supernatural tell me a bit about His second coming that we have the dress rehearsals for, give us some clues.
Mark: Sure, I’ll just give a quick summary and then I’ll go back and detail them a little bit more. But how many people remember reading about trumpets in the book of Revelation. Well the next feast to be fulfilled and they have to be fulfilled in order. Just like the spring feast has to be fulfilled in order the fall feast will as well. And so the next Feast is the Feast of Trumpets so the blowing of the Shofar representing the coming King. And then you have the Feast of Yom Kippur which is Israel’s National Day of Atonement, when I believe they’ll realize that Yeshua is their Messiah. And then comes the Feast of Tabernacles; well now God can tabernacle among men for 1000 year reign inauguration on the Feast of Tabernacles.
Sid: Now on yesterday’s broadcast we ran out of time. I asked you the question, “Why do you say that these dress rehearsals will no longer be wheat and barley, but be grapes?”
Mark: Sure exactly I think it’s interesting that in Deuteronomy 16:16 God said three times everyone is to appear in Jerusalem and it was for Passover, Pentecost and Tabernacles. And so I believe Passover and Pentecost fulfilled the spring feast to the day and now we’ve had this long dry summer for 2000 years. And now what happens is we come to the fall feasts and what do we see? The fall in Israel is the fruit harvest or the grape harvest. So that’s why you don’t see any reference to wheat or barley in Revelation you only see the grapes because the events will literally happen in the month of the harvest. It is talking also about a harvest of souls just like at the barley harvest and the wheat harvest. In the Gospels God says that field is the world and the angels are the reapers and they’re putting in their sickle and the harvest is going to be that of the grapes it says in Revelation.
Sid: Okay, let’s get a preview of the return of Jesus let’s start with the Feast of Trumpets.
Mark: Sure that represents the coming King. You know what I love to do, and we do this every year now with 1000’s of people all over the world. Can you imagine what it’s going to be like when at the procession of crowning Jesus as King of kings and Lord of lords what that’s going to be? Well people need to realize that every year their rehearsing this in heaven! Just like Moses Tabernacle on earth it was patterned after what was in the heavenlies. Every Feast of Trumpets I believe angelic hosts are worshipping and praising God and rehearsing for His coming just like anyone would for a wedding or anything else. And we are on earth are to be the harmonic residents echo and we’re also supposed to be practicing at the appointed time on the Feast of Trumpets. So like at a baseball game when the group stands up and waves and then the next group stands up and waves. We’ve been having a shofar wave around the world every year on the Feast of Trumpets. We have churches and individuals and home fellowships in every time zone blowing shofars announcing God as King. And then when it become Rosh Hashanah in their times zone then everyone in the world blows that and it becomes the Rosh Hashanah in Israel.
Sid: Now in Jesus’ day and today how many times at Rosh Hashanah do they blow the shofar in the synagogue?
Mark: Well they blow the shofar 100 times, and that final 100th blast is known as the last trump. So when Paul talks about “At the last trump” he’s referring to the last trump on Rosh Hashanah that we’ll all be changed. And so why would anyone not want to be at the dress rehears? Can you imagine we have like 1500 people on all of them are pretty much bringing shofars worshiping and praising the King and one day I don’t know what year but some year when we’re doing that all of a sudden we’ll join the angelic host and what an easy transition that will be compared to those that aren’t looking, aren’t watching, aren’t waiting going about their earthly duties not excited about being at the dress rehearsal.
Sid: So explain 1st Corinthians chapter 15 verse 51 to 53 about the last trump and what occurs.
Mark: Yeah exactly in 1st Corinthians 15 you know what does it say in verse 51 and 52. It says basically “I’m going to show you a mystery were not all going to sleep but we shall all be changed in a moment in a twinkling of an eye.” And that’s a Hebrew term “The twinkling of an eye.” “At the last trumpet it says the trumpet will sound, the dead will raise incorruptible and we’ll all be changed.” Well I believe some year this event will happen on the Feast of Trumpets when the Lord Himself will descend it says “Will descend with a shout and with the trump of God.” So it’s exciting, why would someone not want to be at that dress rehearsal? That’s why every year we rehearse this and we blow the shofar 100 times and then at the last blast everyone blows and it’s very exciting.
Sid: Well the Bible talks “That the Lord will come like a thief in the night.” What does that mean to you?
Mark: Well I believe a thief in the night is a very important point and we need to understand it in context. Because what happened, this is even mentioned on Jewish websites “That the High Priest would come or the Captain of the guard at the temple and he would find them sleeping you know they would set their clothes on fire because their supposed to be watching.” When you read in context who He comes to as a thief in the night it’s too the foolish virgins, it’s to the evil servants, it’s to the sleeping church. But in 1st Thessalonians it says “But you brethren are not in darkness that day will overtake you with a thief.” Because he says “You know the times and seasons.” That’s referring directly to the Biblical Feasts…
Sid: But us Christians don’t know the times or seasons so what does that mean?
Mark: (Laughing) It says “But brother you know the times and seasons” it’s referring to the Biblical calendar. Which is why I felt so compelled to make this Biblical calendar so the church would be able to be on the right calendar.
Sid: Tell me briefly about your book and DVD called “Blood Moons Decoding the Imminent Heavenly Signs.”
Mark: Sure, in the book it’s mostly about teaching the Church how to decode these imminent signs that are coming and it’s through understanding the Biblical calendar. Getting on His Feasts days, being at the dress rehearsal; I go into replacement theology how we got off the calendar about 2000 years ago due to anti-Semitism, and why the devil was so smart. Just like if anyone could throw away your day timer or change it so you miss a divine appointment. I mean people need to realize, I believe listeners believe in divine appointments but they need to realize that there are some that are scheduled. So that’s why we need this book “The Blood Moons Decoding the Imminent and Heavenly Signs” go into why we need to be on God’s calendar. So prophetically we can understand when the supernatural events happen.
Sid: So tell me what we’ll learn from the DVD.
Mark: Oh from the DVD it is so incredible the footage the cinema photography. They have actual footage from the ‘67 war, from the ‘48 war.
Sid: It just happened to be blood moons on the feasts which is coming up. Tell me the prophetic significance of Yom Kippur.
Mark: Okay, sure. What is Yom Kippur? Yom Kippur is Israel’s National Day of Atonement. One of the things that people ask me they read my book and hear what I teach. They wonder “Why how come the Jews don’t get it?” And I tell them look at this; when the Jews went to Egypt they didn’t recognize Joseph, how come they didn’t recognize Joseph? Because he looked Egyptian. So the problem today is the church has been presenting an Egyptian Jesus a blood blue eyed person who’s thrown out the Torah who wants nothing to do with anything Jewish. Well how in the world are they going to recognize Him?
Sid: You know what I’m thinking, when the ambulance comes by warning traffic to pull the side of road they’ll be like they don’t understand what the siren means. That what… tell me just in a couple sentences no more what it’s going to be like at that last blood moon in 2015 that is coming on the feast day in Jerusalem.
Mark: It’s going to be so incredible I think every hotel is going to be sold out when people see this. You’re going to have like the Christian Embassies in Jerusalem all over the world there looking with the Jews looking at this super-blood moon over Jerusalem. I think it’s going to be a sense of awe and wonder and you got to be there!
SID: So James was directed to a woman. Her name, she’s in Heaven now, her name is Francis Metcalf. And Francis had a group of people that would pray, that would do the most phenomenal things, I mean, visitations to Heaven, translated to other parts of the world when they would go into trances. And James, she had a face-to-face visitation from Jesus. What did he say to her?
JAMES: Well she had, Sid, many visitations from the Lord. But this particular one, now she’s my spiritual mom, that group of women and men, about 70, 80, spent over 53 years, six days a week, eight, nine hours a day in high praise and worship, and intercession as a minister in my home town. And this particular visitation, Jesus spoke to her and said that there would come a time, an “end time ministry,” whenever that is, whatever that means, I believe it’s now, that Jesus face-to-face spoke to her and said that, “I will set apart and raise up,” what he called, the Dove Company. She was a forerunning group. Her precious brothers and sisters and I were sent out from her at 19 years of age. I was a Jesus freak. I admitted I needed some changes in my life and a little bit more sanctification. She said that, “You grow and mature, you’ll grow into this and you will be an extension.” In other words, you will enter in to our prayers, our intercessions, our fastings, all that we’ve spent 50-some years. And it’s interesting because a lot of the nations, Sid, that I go to, I find out in their writings that they had been there 60 years earlier.
SID: So they actually paved the way with prayers for James to come there. I told you our God is brilliant.
JAMES: Yes. Exciting move.
SID: Now tell me about the most profound, it happened a couple years ago, profound experience you’ve ever had.
JAMES: February of 2012, I was getting ready to go to bed. It was 1:00 in the morning, Texas time. All of a sudden, the next thing I know, I’m looking down at a map and I see the city Tashkent, Uzbekistan. I just thought I was in a visionary thing, God was going to reveal something about the community. But then I saw myself go up, I guess by course, an hour north and an hour east, near a city called, in English, Amoti [sp]. They are pronounced differently. And about 30 minutes or so, a walk 45 minutes south. I mean, the specificness of it. And all of a sudden, I’m just standing there on a dirt road and I realized, it didn’t take much discernment, that I was translated there or transported, like Phillip in Acts 8, spirit, soul and body. And there had been gathered there about a thousand people that had just newly been saved, newly born again. But they were sick and afflicted, because the evangelist had just talked about salvation, by God, the greatest miracle, but did not talk about Jesus as the Messiah that could heal. So they were all waiting there to be healed. And out of all of my years of ministry, it was the most sick, diseased, infirm group of people I’ve ever seen, children with their limbs blown off because of mines. And I’m overwhelmed. But what overwhelmed me the most was I’m standing there thinking I’m alone, what am I supposed to do. It’s in the middle of the afternoon. It’s the next day, of course. And I look to my left and Jesus was standing right next to me.
SID: It’s nice not to be alone.
SID: Especially there.
JAMES: And I’m thinking, oh thank you Jesus, you’re here. But it was so amazing, Sid, because he just had this matter of fact look in his eye. And so he just went down in the crowd, and of course, I’m going to follow him.
SID: I would.
JAMES: Yeah, wouldn’t you? And I just started to follow him. And he would go up to there’s a man who had consumption or something, he should have been a 180-pound man, looked 90 pounds, curled up in a fetal position, was dying, was hardly able to breathe, just a lump of flesh. And Jesus looked at me and expected me to put my hands out to pray for the man. Well when I did, he entered into my body and the man saw the hands of Jesus, but they were my hands, but they were Jesus’ hands. And the man was supernaturally lifted up. It was about four feet from us, no binding, loosing, didn’t have to cast out, speak in, do nothing. Just the manifest presence of Jesus, lifted him up. He stood straight up and he filled out to the proper weight instantaneously, as if he never had the condition. And Jesus just a matter of fact just went to another person and another person. I followed him. And so no miracle took less than 15 seconds.
SID: Do you realize we are living in the days that what James is describing, there will be people, unknowns, people no one has ever heard of that are hungering and thirsting for this kind of reality right now, and they will be filled. When we come back I want him to describe a few of the miracles he saw there. But then I want him to tell you why this was not a pizza dream. We’ll be right back.
Sid: This week I’m believing that God’s going to allow me to speak about the next, the greates, and I believe the last move of God’s Spirit on planet earth. I’ve called it the One New Man from Ephesians the second chapter that the Messiah came for this purpose to break down the middle wall of separation between Jews and Gentiles to form One New Man in Messiah and thus make peace, or shalom, or completeness. You are incomplete Christian without the Jew, you are incomplete Jew without the Christian we need each other. And when the two become one we’ve become the One New Man and the One New Man has a name. His name in Hebrew is Yeshua and in English it’s Jesus, it’s the Body of Messiah so that we can have a dwelling place for God.
Now on yesterday’s broadcast I said the very first Zionist, the Zionist is someone that believes the Jewish people are entitled to the physical land of Israel unconditionally and forever. And the very first Zionist was not Theodore Hertzel it was Almighty God. And as I explained in Zachariah in the Living Bible God says “He that touches Israel is the same as someone that pokes their finger in God’s eye.” Now there is so many scriptures supporting what I am saying and what Zachariah said, but it’s summarized best and you want to remember this to show this to people that have unfortunately have bought into the worldly anti-Semitism even I say sadly in the church. Psalm 105 verse 8 it’s talking about God. It says He (God) remembers His covenant forever.” Remember the word forever by the way, “The word which He commanded for a thousand generations.” Remember the word He commanded for a thousand generations, so there’s a covenant forever, His word is for a thousand generations. I mean God did this 2 times you would have thought that would have been enough. But then again in the 9th verse “The covenant which He made with Abraham, His oath to Isaac and confirmed it to Jacob for a statute to Israel as an everlasting covenant.” Remember the word everlasting, so if we remember the 3 things I told you to remember. We remember forever, a thousand generations, and everlasting. Now what was this covenant that He made with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob not Ishmael the father of the Arab people? But what was this covenant that He made with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob that He felt that it necessary to say in 3 different ways the same thing forever, a thousand generations, and everlasting. This is it the 11th verse saying “To you I will give the land of Canaan (that’s Israel) as the allotment of your inheritance’ Forhow long?“Everlasting, a thousand generations, and forever.”
Why is this so important? I’m going to tell you why it’s so important do you remember the prophetic words that Derek Prince said just before he died? What is God up to on planet earth right now so simple and so articulate he said “The restoration of Israel and the judgment of the nations.” You see the two are tied together and I’m going to give you an Old Covenant witness and a New Covenant witness proving this. Joel the 3rd chapter says that “The nations of earth will be judged for one issue and one issue only.” Joel in the 3rd chapter says “For dividing up My land.” Whose land is it? God’s, who did He give it to? The physical seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.For how long?Everlasting, forever and a thousand generations. What is the single issue the nations of the world are going to be judged on in the last day? “Dividing up my land” read it in Joel 3. Then flip over to the New Covenant with me in Matthew the 25th chapter this is a…you’re all familiar with this story but many have missed its meaning and its point. This is a story who knows the difference between a goat and a sheep and it’s a parable. The goat represents a nation that has a mind of its own. The sheep represents a nation that follows the shepherd. In the latter days some nations will be goat nations, I wouldn’t want to be living in a goat nation. And other nations will be sheep nations. I’d like to live in a sheep nation because that means that God’s kingdom is ruling that’s my kind of nation. But it’s so amazing see our peanut brain would come up with lots of reasons why God would judge America or God would judge Europe or God would judge France or Italy or any country. But God tells us why He will judge in the latter days it’s the same thing that Joel said.
In Matthew 25 verse 40 Jesus says “As you have done unto the least of these my brethren.” Now was he talking about Christians? No, why? Because Jesus hadn’t died and rose from the dead and there were no Christians at that time. So who were His brethren after the flesh? The ones that Paul said “My heart’s desire and prayer to God is that they might be saved.” The one that Paul said “I’d give up my very salvation for them.” His brethren after the flesh are the Jewish people. And so Jesus says “As you have done unto the least of these my brethren (the physical Jew) you’ve done unto me.” So you see why Derek Prince came up with that statement just before he died that prophetic word from God. What is God up to?The restoration of Israel not a Palestinian State and a Jewish State, the restoration of Israel. And by the way that’s what He’s up to right now with the church. Not a Jewish church and a Gentile church. The restoration of the church, the middle wall of separation coming down and God always judges Israel Himself. However God always uses Israel to judge the nations. “He that touches Israel touches the apple of God’s eye.”
Now why is Israel front and center right now? Why does the devil try to exterminate all of the Jewish people? Well I’ve always thought the reason is that Jesus said “I won’t return until the Jewish people say “Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord, Baruch habaB’shem Adonai,Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.” But that’s not the main reason God is interested as Reinhard Bonnke says “In plundering hell to populate heaven.” And the church has yet to wake up, has yet to have the light bulbs come on about God’s law of evangelism. It’s summarized in Romans 1:16 Paul says “I’m not ashamed of the gospel because the gospel is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first.” And some would say “Well, that means that God started with the Jew and then went to the Gentile. And that’s what it does mean, but if you study scripture you’ll see that there’s a pattern. And when the pattern is right as my friend Dick Rueben like to preach the glory comes down and when the pattern is wrong you’re not going to have the glory. So what is the law of evangelism? When you reach out to the Jew first it opens up a supernatural door of evangelism to all people. When you reach out to all people you will not reach as many people. But when you reach out to the Jew first you bump into the blessing of God Genesis 12:3 that’s what Paul was so exciting about. In Genesis 12:3 God says “I God will bless those who bless the Jewish people and I will curse those who curse them.” And there’s the law of sowing and reaping, when you plant a seed of evangelism by reaching out to a Jewish person you are going to have a harvest of evangelism.
Take a look at what happens when a Jew and a Gentle get together in the Old Covenant. Esther a Jew, who did she marry? A king, the king needed Esther, Esther needed the king. The One New Man, what did it cause? Nothing short of revival in the land, you read the book of Esther. Let’s take a look at another example of a Jew needing a Gentile and a Gentile needing a Jew. Ruth the Gentile marries Boaz the Jew. What kind of fruit came from that union? Jesus. I’ll tell you you read Amos the 9th chapter verse 11-13 I’ll pick up right there on tomorrow’s broadcast it talks about…it only talks about the greatest revival in history by reaching out to the Jew first. I want you to do this right now, I want you to reach out to the Jew first.
Sid: Well my guest is red hot for the Messiah because my guest is me and I can tell you I am red hot for the Messiah. I want it to be just you and me this week because I mean because 1977 we have had a daily radio broadcast and we’re about ready to change it to a one hour radio show that will be available in 3 different ways for you to pick it up. The first way is you can go to our web and just go to Sidroth.org. The second way is go the iTunes and search for Sid Roth and subscribe to the Messianic Vision Podcast, then the third way is you can go right to that ISN app. You just open the app store on your phone or tablet, search Sid Roth and download our ISN app, and ISN stands for “It’s Supernatural Television Network.” So you can get archives of our television shows, all of the new shows that we’ve got started. And you can get our radio broadcast any one of those 3 ways.
Now on yesterday’s broadcast I was kind of rehearsing some of our history. So we started one of the first Messianic Jewish… certainly one of the first I have ever heard of Messianic Jewish Congregation. And I knew nothing I was Senior man in the Lord and I was about a year old in the Lord in this group of Jewish believers in the Messiah. But we would have our meeting, and I remember I went to my Orthodox Jewish father and I said “Dad I’m going to have a Shabbat Service.” Now you have to understand he thinks I believe in Jesus and I want to have a Shabbat Service and the two don’t make any sense. So what did he do? He kicks me out of the house. So I get you know I went to the synagogue, I went to a traditional synagogue but I despise… let me explain why. As a Jewish person I learned to read Hebrew and I’m very grateful that I do it. So I would go to a 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8 hour service all in Hebrew that Id didn’t understand one word. You put a kid in that environment and they’re not going to like it, I wasn’t abnormal. So I purposely learned as little as I possibly could. So I didn’t know how to do a Shabbat Service but this whole group we had an election and they said “We want to have a Messianic Jewish Congregation.” So what did I do? We had our first service and a miracle happened. A Jewish man came to the Lord that was an Orthodox Jewish man that was a Cantor. And so all of a sudden out Messianic Jewish Congregation had a Cantor. And his name was Cantor Bernie Rubenstein and so it became one of the flagship congregations in the country. But then after a couple of years I realized that I really don’t know anything we need a Messianic Jewish Rabbi. So we found a Messianic Jewish Rabbi in Miami, Florida that had lost his congregation and I’d never found out why. And we had a Messianic Congregation without a Messianic Jewish Rabbi. And I think they said he was too Jewish for them or something. But I didn’t understand stuff like that. So we brought Manny Brotman up and he I’ll tell you what he preached messages like I’d never heard before about Jesus all from the Old Testament. I found out that there’s nothing new in the New Testament. It’s all in the Old Testament if you have eyes to see it. But before he came up let me tell you what the service was like. I didn’t know anything, as good as Manny was, and he’s in heaven right, now when I didn’t know anything it was better, I knew nothing. All I knew was Jesus was real, I didn’t know the Bible, I didn’t know anything. And so we would have our service, we would sing a little bit and then I would give an invitation and at least 1 Jewish person or more would come to the Lord every service. So what did we do for the second service? I didn’t have to do a message because the next person that came to the Lord they’re the ones the week before when they came to the Lord they gave them the next week gave the message. It was exciting, I didn’t realized how exciting it was and every week Jewish people were coming to the Lord and then the next week they’d share their testimony of how they came to the Lord. Now one of the first people that came to the Lord was Cantor Bernie Rubenstein and this fellow Manny Brotman when he started… when he became a Rabbi I volunteered my services to him because frankly God was so blessing my oil business I didn’t have to work too much and I was making lots of money. So I learned Messianic Jewish evangelism from one of the best, Manny Brotman. And then one day Manny said “I’ve been offered to do a radio show Sid I want you to be the announcer” and I said “No, Manny I don’t want to be the announcer I don’t want to be behind the microphone I want to be on the business side.” And he said “You understand me better than anyone else, you’ve spent all of this time learning what I know you are the announcer.” And I have to tell you I said “Okay,” and I figured I could just adlib it and I couldn’t even get out announcement, it was awful. So Manny after awhile said “I’ll tell you what go home write it out and then come back.” And I did it and I got through the announcement. But then a very peculiar thing started happening every time that Manny was supposed to do the radio broadcast he had an appointment and couldn’t come, every time. So if I didn’t do the interview there would have been no radio show. So kicking and screaming that’s how I got into radio and I found out that God had given me a gift in this. So since 1977 Messianic Vision has been on the air Monday through Friday. And as a matter of fact we got a hold of one of the first radio shows I’ve ever did, would you like to hear that? Guess who it is? Cantor Bernie Rubinstein.
Sid interviewing Cantor Bernie Rubinstein. That theme music was sung by Mrs. Betty Berniski a Messianic Jewish Believer from Baltimore, Maryland. I just want to publically thank the Lord for her life and for the voice that He’s given her. My special guest in the studio is Bernie Rubinstein a good friend in the Messiah a Cantor of Beth Messiah synagogue in Washington, DC welcome to the Messianic Vision.
Sid: Shalom Bernie.
Bernie: I was told by my friend to read the 53 Chapter of Isaiah. And I read it and I reread it and I didn’t quite understand what it meant. I began to question my Rabbi concerning the significance of this if in deed the suffering servant it Israel how can Israel suffer for the sins of Israel?” I said logically speaking this doesn’t even make sense. I said “It seems to me that just by reading this that we are talking about a suffering servant, one man even in terms of the grammatical structure as it is found in the original Hebrew it is not talking about a group of people. And is talking about one man who will come for the purpose of bearing upon himself the sins of his people Israel.
Sid: I mean when you knew this what did the Rabbi retort to this?
Bernie: His retort to me was a question, he said “What has prompted you to ask me these questions?”
Sid: What was your answer?
Bernie: I said I’m looking for truth. And I told him very very frankly I’m not concerned about blaspheming against the traditions of my people. I’m concerned about finding out what’s God’s will in my life. Shabbat Shalom.
Sid: Shabbat Shalom to you Bernie I’m looking forward to you coming back on Monday and all of my Mishpochah, all of my family out there the Messianic family. Until Monday this is Sid Roth a voice crying over the airwaves “Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make His paths straight.” The Bible tells us of God’s unending eternal love for the nation Israel. God says “I will bless those that bless My people, he that touches Israel touches the apple of God’s eye.” Now more than ever we are admonished to… closing song “Pray for the People of Jerusalem.”
Sid: I have to tell you I didn’t even recognize my voice when I heard that. And it was 2 weeks so it’s 2 CD’s and it really is historic because back in 1977. And because your Mishpochah, because your family I want you to have these 2 and I want you to know for your gift of any size what it’s going to go for. It’s going to go for setting up our “It’s Supernatural Television Network.” I mean it’s on the air but for the overhead etcetera because we don’t ask for money on this network it’s an amazing network. It’s going to go for our project of mailing evangelistic books all over the world to Jewish people. We’ve mailed over 2 million, or distributed over 2 million of my book “They Thought For Themselves.” I’ll get into that a little later on in the week. It’s going to go for our television shows.
Did you know that we’re on the air 28 times a week in Israel? We’re on in the nation Ukraine, we’re on in the nation Ukraine on secular TV and in Israel it’s Christian and secular. We’re on Discovery network in the United States. Can you imagine how many unsaved people that we’re reaching. And there are so many different programs that we are doing for evangelism. We even have a program to reach Muslim’s which we can’t talk about. But I’ve got a letter I’ll read sometime during this week about a Muslim person that came to the Lord but I want to send. I mean this is as far as I’m concerned one of the most amazing interviews. And I’ll tell you why it’s so amazing, it’s starting again. It was a move of God’s Spirit when I started that Messianic Jewish Congregation and I could feel it in the wind it’s another move of God’s Spirit on Jewish people. So I want to send the 2 CD’s of my interview with Cantor Bernie Rubinstein for a gift of any size.