SID: Not man, but God taught Richard Mull step by step how to hear God’s voice, how to operate in the supernatural. For instance, you’re teaching a Baptist college retreat and all of a sudden what happened?
RICHARD: Well I had been speaking from the Book of Acts about normal Christianity. The problem is I had never experienced any of it. I was calling it extreme Christianity, but that was my spin, this is what I believed the normal Christian life was to be. And I asked, how many of you want this? I stood up and I decided to do something against normal for a Baptist speaker, and then began to lay hands on everybody as I went around the room. And one of the girls sat down and she began to pull her hair and she began to lift her shirt to the point where I thought she was going to tear her shirt. She was rocking back and forth and making a hissing sound. And my first thought was, where’s the door, I’m out of here. And but I was like brand new at hearing God’s voice. And I said, “God, would you show me what to do.” I was still in that phase learning to hear God, is this God, is this me, is this God? But I didn’t have the luxury of time to figure out what is God. So I’m going to do whatever I sense the Holy Spirit leads me to do. And I knew at the time to pray something about the name of Jesus. And I’m going, is this coming from my head, my theological background or by the Holy Spirit? I’m not going to argue. I’m just going to pray something about the name of Jesus, because I know there’s power in the name. And prayed something about the authority and the blood of Jesus. I felt impressed to pray in tongues, which is something I had never done publically.
SID: At a Baptist college.
RICHARD: Yeah. And so I began to under my breath, kind of my hand over the front of my face, pray in tongues. And then I felt impressed to shout, “Freedom in Jesus’ name.” At that point, I was pretty sure I had picked something up watching televangelists or something. But I was not going to stop. And so I shouted, “Freedom in Jesus’ name.” And the girl all of a sudden looked at me, very embarrassed, put her head down, covered her face, and all the torment stopped. I turned around and I began to explain to this college group what had just happened. I knew that what I was saying was not coming from myself. And I was thinking, I hope somebody takes really good notes because this is pretty amazing stuff. I really have no idea what I’m talking about. And it was the beginning of the next six months, everywhere I spoke or worshiped, someone would manifest demons.
SID: Okay. There are life-threatening situations by being human. And it seems as though the closer we get to the return of Jesus, the more this late great Planet Earth is being shaken. What happened in a life-threatening situation when your baby son died?
RICHARD: Nathaniel was almost two years old. We had been strongly urged by doctors to put him on steroids and antibiotics. We tried to resist but felt that it was a pretty severe encouragement by them that they would write us up for non-compliance if we didn’t. So we allowed them to put him on steroids and antibiotics. Thirty-six hours later, I was headed back the hospital. I pulled him off my chest and the words that came out of my mouth were, “He’s gone.” You can’t prepare for a moment like that, but I had been preparing for a year believing I would see the dead raised. I had seen most of the miracles of the Bible. But I sit him on that table and I began to pray. And I said, “God, I don’t know what to do to his body, but I know what to do spiritually.” I continued to pray and I watched the minutes inch away, eight minutes, 10 minute, 15 minutes, 20 minutes. And during that time, I was answering their questions, but I was commanding Nathaniel to come back because I knew his spirit was gone. I said, “Nathaniel, you listen to your daddy. Right now, I want you to come back here.” I was rebuking spirits of death from the room. I was repenting of every sin I had ever thought of doing, every sin my family had ever done generationally. I was taking away every right that the enemy had to attack my family and my son. And in about 22 minutes I had a vision. In the middle of that hospital room, the doctors were still working on him. You could see them looking at each other. But I saw in the middle of that room a boat being tossed by the waves and I could see Jesus on the boat, and I knew that was my promise, that the Lord was going to raise my son back up. I knew we had passed the barriers where brain damage begins and all those things.
SID: How long had he been dead?
RICHARD: At that point it was about 22 minutes.
RICHARD: It ended up 40 minutes before they found a heartbeat and blood pressure. And they told us that he wouldn’t have the strength to make it through an operation, that he needed an operation. He had an ulcer related to the medicine, we found out later. And the ulcer had ruptured. And so he had been pouring toxins throughout his system into his bloodstream. They said he would be too weak to make it through an operation, that he was gone too long, that he would be brain damaged. And for people that were here this evening, they got see him first hand, running around, full of life, no brain damage, and raised, and, oh God.
SID: That’s how I want you to hear God. I want you to hear God. And Richard has been raised up, and he’s going to supernaturally teach you when we come back what God has taught him as to how you can hear God’s voice. It is normal. Jesus said, “My sheep hear my voice.”
SID: For the first time since the days of Noah and the Nephilim, we have the technology to mix species, perhaps mix a human with an animal, trans-humanism. Explain this.
TOM: Well that’s absolutely right. In fact, we’re doing it in laboratories around the world. When most people today hear about the stem cell sciences, they don’t realize a great deal of that is talking about the creation of a part human, part animal embryo that then can be used for experimental purposes. Now trans-humanism itself is the idea that we’re going to use that kind of science and other kinds of science to create a new form of mankind.
SID: Why do we want to create a new form of mankind?
TOM: Well of course, you know, if you talk to the trans-humanists, they’re utopians. They believe we can live forever. We can have immortal life without the bother of having to ask Jesus to give it to us. We can upload our brains. We can live forever inside artificial intelligence systems. There’s a great deal that the trans-humanists community believes. But when it comes to genetics, when it comes to kind of repeating what happened in the days of Noah where these fallen angels corrupted bloodlines, they believe that we can improve our species, open new modes of perception. By blending ourselves with animals, we might even be able to see into the supernatural realm. The trans-humanists, they aspire to do that?
SID: Who is DARPA and what are they doing?
TOM: DARPA is the Defense Advance Research Project Agency. It’s one of the largest departments of the U.S. that uses our tax dollars to hire other people to come up with great ideas, private laboratories, things like that. But in last year’s operating budget and in this year’s operating budget for instance, they have set aside millions of dollars for rewriting the DNA of our soldiers.
SID: Why would they want to rewrite the DNA of our soldiers?
TOM: Super soldier technology. And furthermore, they are being advised by some of the top think tanks in the world that our competitors, our enemies are privately developing this technology right now, and that if we don’t get ahead of it. In fact, the JASONS, which is one of the top scientific advisory panels in the world, told them that by the end of 2012, if we weren’t secretly, privately ahead of the enhancement revolution we would fall irreparably behind and be dominated on the future battlefield.
SID: What about the Mark of the Beast? How does this tie in?
TOM: Well the Mark of the Beast, I think this could play in, in the form of like a living chip, a biochip. We are doing experiments right now with the chips that can deliver medicines into your system. But some of these could be designed to actually carry payloads, to carry vectors, as they’re called, to work almost like a virus that could introduce a new genetic code to rewrite your genetic makeup. And some people believe that perhaps that’s how the Mark of the Beast will alter humans so that they’re no longer redeemable by literally going through their system and rewriting their genetic makeup.
SID: You’re saying a lot. Who’s funding this?
TOM: Well you are.
SID: I am? Not me.
TOM: Yeah. As a matter of fact, well because there are departments in the U.S. government like the National Institute of Health, that’s the largest one in the U.S. that doles out your money for health-related science and research. And right now they are giving grants to universities that actually are developing the legalese, the language that will be used for extending, for instance, constitutional rights to human, non-humans, to humans of the future whose genetic material has been altered sufficiently enough to no longer even be considered to be human.
SID: Well what about the ethics of this? Will these people be considered humans? Will they be considered equal to us? Will they be able to vote? Will they be like pets if they’re half human and half animal?
TOM: Well I’ll tell you, it really gets into some madness. But like the Brookings Institute right now is asking that question for you, and they’re saying that, for instance, within 10 years, Brookings Institute, number one policy think tank in the world that bends the ear of our lawmakers, has a new series called “The Future of Constitution” in which they’re saying within 10 years we will be creating genetically engineered homosexual communities, and that because their genetics are sufficiently different than ours, we have to create the legalese that would extend to them bill of rights and constitutional privileges.
SID: You know what he’s saying, he’s saying our tax dollars are funding this research that’s going on right now. Well wait until you find out the Masonic plan is within the Washington Monument, the Capitol, the Vatican and there are symbols and signs that allow spiritually this evil to flood in. Of course, they disguise it as good. We’ll be right back after this.
Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Pastor Robert Heidler. I’m speaking to him at his church office Glory of Zion Outreach Center in Denton, Texas. I have interviewed him previously on his unpublished manuscript “The Messianic Church” which we quickly published and got out to you as fast as possible. If you didn’t get a copy of it yet you really need it, but in addition to that what you do need is to understand the cycles of God. You see there was a whole calendar put in the Bible for the church, and it was literally heisted by the devil. There is a whole activities of worship put in the Bible by God, and this was stolen. All of these things before the Messiah returns they’re going to come back. I want to read something to you because I got an email from someone that watched our television show in the Dominican Republic, and this is what he says “My concerns are that my wife’s brother-in-law is a Seventh Day Adventist. I’m a Pentecostal, I know that will save me, all that will save will be the Lord, but he has made the argument because we don’t follow the 4th commandment, which is remember the Sabbath day, that are not saved. He argues that only the sacrificial laws, or the Mosaic laws were abolished not the Sabbath day. Please help me, I know you have more knowledge than me on this.” Robert let me read to you the answer I gave him, and see what you would add to that because this is a sincere question, but it is a question that many Christians kind of struggle with a little bit.
Robert: Hmm, hmm.
Sid: Even though we’ve been told things through tradition, we kind of sense that’s not the total answer. So this is the… this is what I wrote back to him. “God never changed the Sabbath, the Sabbath is Saturday not Sunday. Although there is blessing in taking Saturday as a day of rest it has nothing to do with salvation. Also a day of rest has nothing to do with even a church service. Most just take the day to rest to be with family and think about God. The Sabbath is fulfilled in Jesus; Saturday is not our rest Jesus is our rest. However, God does bless us by observing this Sabbath, Saturday day of rest.” Now what would you say to that?
Robert: Oh Sid I believe that is exactly right. Sabbath, Shabbat, is a blessing, it’s not… when the New Testament deals with the issue of Sabbath, in Colossians 3:16 the main focus is “Don’t let anyone judge you in regard to the Sabbath.” In other words, he is saying “This is not to be a legalistic thing, it’s not to be something that you sit in judgment on each other. It’s not a burden. You know there were 2 kinds of Sabbaths in the Bible, there was the Sabbath of God that was a blessing from Him, and then there was the Sabbath from the Pharisees that tried to make it a legalistic burden. What he says in Colossians, it says 3:16 “Don’t let it be a legalistic burden, don’t judge each other on it.” This is a special time God wants you to rest and enjoy His presence.
Sid: So tell me how Sabbath plays out with your family, with your church.
Robert: Well we have church on Sunday. Some people ask me why don’t we switch and have church on Saturday, and I answer “Because Saturday is my Sabbath, I want to be able to rest on Saturday.”
Sid: Let me tell you I’ve come up with that same sort of thing and I almost make it and I say “I am so glad that the church switched from Saturday to Sunday because when I go to a Sunday worship service there’s a lot of work involved in this.” I need a day of rest; it’s not just the pastor that needs a day of rest. I need a day of rest. So because the church switched to Sunday it allows me to have my Sabbath. [Laughing]
Robert: Amen. Interestingly when you study church history in the first 3 centuries they really had 2 special days. They celebrated Saturday as a day of rest to celebrate God’s creation. Then they celebrated Sunday as a day of worship to celebrate the resurrection of Yeshua. So they really celebrated both.
Sid: When you see the freedom that God has given us, why even bother, why even bother with this Sabbath business?
Robert: Well because it’s a blessing God wanted us to have. I know in our lives… one of the things that celebrating Sabbath does, if you really see it as a blessing of God and not a legalistic burden, is you realize the goodness of God. You finish a busy busy week and you come to Friday evening and you realize God says “It’s okay to rest.”
Sid: You know what I’m wondering, in the Jewish scriptures it talks about even giving the land rest. Many times we haven’t followed these Biblical laws and as a result our fruit isn’t as good. Isn’t there a physical reason why God wants us to have one day of rest a week?
Robert: I believe it is. You know God wove that into creation; the Sabbath goes the whole way back to creation. God didn’t rest then because He was tired, but He rested to establish something in creation. It’s interesting in college I was taking a sociology course and they talked about during the French revolution they wanted to do away with a 7 day week an institute a 10 day week to get away from the Biblical pattern. What they found was people’s productivity plummeted because our bodies are designed on a 7 day cycle. They’re designed to work most effectively if we work 6 days then rest on the 7th.
Sid: I have to tell you I don’t go to any service on Sabbath, not that I’m opposed to that at all, but I really look forward to that day of rest. I look forward to just being able to not have to do the things I normally do, and just relax and be dressed up, and just be with my family. There’s something very special about it.
Robert: God wants us to know that He has a work for us to do, He has a call on our lives, all of those things. He also wants us to know 1 day a week we can put all of that in His hands and just enjoy Him, just enjoy His blessing, and enjoy His goodness.
Sid: Okay tell me how your family observes the Sabbath, tell me how your church family observes the Sabbath.
Robert: Well I’ll start with our family. My wife and I, our kids are grown and out of the house. On Friday evening we don’t do a traditional Jewish Shabbat, we usually go and sit on the couch with the coffee table in front of us and have all of our favorite foods and snacks. We light the candles and just welcome the time of rest. We pray for our kids, we pray a blessing over our family…
Sid: Now just out of curiosity, why do you light the candles?
Robert: It’s a traditional thing, but it’s a way of saying we have transitioned, we are moving from the normal week into this special time that God has set aside with us. You don’t have to light candles, but for us it just sort of sets the stage…
Sid: Well in every Jewish home we light the candles. Shouldn’t there be a connection between Christians, who are the spiritual seed of Abraham, and the physical seed of Abraham, Jewish people?
Robert: Exactly. That’s really where we got the idea because we’ve been to a lot of Shabbat celebrations, Messianic circles. It’s interesting in the early church there’s evidence they had special prayer for the lighting of the candles at the start of Shabbat.
Sid: Okay so go on what do you do on a Friday night? What else?
Robert: We have our favorite foods out there, we light the candles…
Sid: Are you sure you’re not Jewish? I mean the way you’ve said twice your favorite foods I can tell that’s really important. [Laughing] I’m teasing, go ahead.
Robert: [Laughing] Shabbat is a time to enjoy. This is the time to say “Lord you have blessed us. Lord you are good to us, and we want to enjoy your goodness and overflow with thankfulness.” To me that is what Shabbat is all about.
Sid: Alright that’s the way you feel how about your wife, how does she feel about it?
Robert: The same way. We just look forward to it. To me Shabbat it says “Don’t do your usual work,” which for me means don’t turn on your computer. Sometimes we’ll go out and do some shopping, sometimes we’ll do some things in the yard, but it is a time to just get away from the usual grind. Do what is enjoyable, do what you enjoy the presence of God in.
Sid: Now how’s your church observe Sabbath?
Robert: Different one’s do it in different ways. We’ve taught on it, we encourage it; we have one or two cell groups that meet on Friday night and has a Shabbat meal together.
Sid: I have to tell you if you were to invite a neighbor to your Shabbat service, I think that you would soften them to such a point to want to know the Jesus you know.
Robert: I would hope so. We don’t lay down a legalistic law that this is how you have to do it. We just want people to know God wants you to take a day off to enjoy to be thankful for His goodness. I find that people once they enter into that it’s addictive you don’t want to give that up.
Sid: Have you seen that Christians worldwide are gravitating towards the Biblical festivals?
Robert: That has been so interesting. You know when we got that prophetic word to begin celebrating the festivals I didn’t know what they were, I never heard of a Christian celebrating them. Over the past 6 or 7 years I’ve seen place after place Christians….
Sid: My guest Marilyn Hickey is seeing the most outrageous miracles happen in the most outrageous places, and we’ll talk about this a little later on in the week. Marilyn I was reading in one of your books and in your literature about the time you had a visit from Hell, so to speak, something that every woman dreads. You examined yourself and you saw what appeared to be a tumor in the breast. What did you do about that?
Marilyn: I was on a plane going to speak in New York State and it scared me because I had this pain and I went in restroom and I saw the thing, I opened my blouse and saw it and it had red streaks coming out of it. So I thought now I can be afraid and fall apart over this, I have four days of ministry ahead of me or I can speak to the mountain, I can speak the Word. And the scripture I took and you need to speak the Word to your body; it says the Word of God and this is Proverbs 4:22, “They are life to those who find them and health to all their flesh.” So the Word is health to my flesh and some translations it says medicine, so I began speaking to that growth and I was there and I was staying in a convent because this church had brought a convent and that’s where their services were. So it was very hot, no air conditioning, bathroom down the hall, I’d get up in the night that thing would throb and I would say “Well time for medicine.” And I would speak Proverbs 4:22 to it. This word is coming in there, it’s health to my flesh and on the fourth day the thing totally disappeared, that was the end of it. That’s why I say “Speak to your body, don’t…people you know I’ll see some people say “Oh God bless you, I say “He is blessing me because I’m touching more health.”
Sid: Well, you know what you’re doing is your doing in the supernatural what a doctor might tell you in the natural. You’re taking medicine but your medicine has no side effects and always causes good! I like your medicine Marilyn.
Marilyn: I love it I’ve spoke to my body for many many years on various things you know; you’re not going to have this. “No Satan you’re not going to do this, I’m going to speak the Word to you.”
Sid: So what happened with that tumor?
Marilyn: It disappeared, it totally was gone by the time I was on my way home the thing was gone, no red streaks, no tumor, nothing, never had it again. It’s important when you speak the word to your body and you see the results that you say this, this affection shall not return the second time.
Sid: I love that, you know a lot of people with cancer take that scripture from the Bible and say that, because…
Marilyn: Nahum 1:9.
Sid: What is that?
Marilyn: Nahum 1:9.
Sid: I love it, I love that scripture; Marilyn you actually when I was listening to you talk about this incident you said that you literally took your medicine or the Word every hour on the hour, that…you really wanted that medicine to get into your body didn’t you.
Marilyn: I did and I said “If the Word is good” most people take medicine three times a day, I’m going to take it for the next twelve, I believe it was twelve hours. So I sat up and I would speak the Word to it. Yeah, (Laugh) get radical, get crazy about Jesus and His Word. Speak to your body, don’t let your body tell you everything it’s going to do.
Sid: What do you…just out of curiosity what do you do when you go the doctor and the doctor said “I’ve got bad news for you I’ve just done blood work and it looks to me like you have cancer and you have to go see a cancer specialist.” What is the first thing you would do?
Marilyn: The first thing I would do is look for the scriptures on healing, and I would begin to speak those scriptures. The second thing I would do is I would take authority over the devil he has no right to my body. I was created in the image of God and I would bind the devil in Jesus Name. And say you cannot have my body, and you may need to speak it a lot because you may get some more bad news, some more bad news, keep speaking the good news. Soak yourself with the Word of God I mean you can’t over do it.
Sid: Tell me that scripture again that we’re working on this week, we didn’t have the time to fully develop it, I want you to speak and those that are listening you are not just in audience sitting on your hands and invisible, I want you to be a participant in the greatest story the world has ever heard. In the last scene of the last act before the play is over God is calling you to front and center stage and I want you to start by mediating on one scripture every week, tell us the scripture and then I want you to but it in your own words Marilyn. That was John Chapter 8 verse 12.
Marilyn: He said, “I am the light of the world.” There is a lot of darkness from us, around us, but He is the light of the World. Light dispels darkness. “He that follows Me” hey we’re following Jesus and it says “He shall not walk in darkness.” I’m not walking in darkness today I’m walking in light of life. I would like to shared a revelation in this scripture; can I do that Sid?
Marilyn: When I memorize, I memorized the Gospel of John, and one day this is before the woman is taken you know the woman is taken in adultery, the throw her down and say you know shall we stone her or what do you say we should do? And you know Jesus stoops down writes twice and says “He that’s without sin, let him throw the first stone.” So you know I just think that this is so marvelous, this woman is totally delivered because all of her accusers leave. So I said to the Lord “Oh, I love John 8:12 that woman was totally set free and this is what the Lord said to me and this is what medicating does. He said, “You’re so happy about her but I’m not totally happy with this story. I said, “What do you mean Lord, the woman is free.” He said, “But I wanted her accusers as much as I wanted her and I didn’t get them.” And he spoke more to the accusers and they left. Those are the kind of sweet things, awe there so touching to me that you get out of medicating, who knows what every listener is speaking John 8:12 what revelation they’re going to get. The end of this verse is “Go and sin no more.” That woman had Jesus, she had the power over sin, we have Christ in us, we’re made the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus; we have power not to walk in the past.
Sid: Marilyn one of the things that people will have in addition to having the faith for miracles is that they get your book and listen to your CDs on God’s authority is their faith is going to soar. And I happen to believe that God is going to do it over a short period of time. Why? Because Jesus is coming back sooner than anyone thinks. Most people think they have more time, they don’t and I can’t wait to see what’s going to happen. Do you realize from just this broadcast and your materials getting out that there will be ministries raised up all over the world Marilyn?
Marilyn: I believe that. The Word cannot return void, the power of your broadcast is the power of the word, it can’t return void it accomplishes that which it’s sent to. It prospers that from which it’s sent to; so Sid I love this on television you know I can’t reach out of the set and lay hands on people. I can’t anoint them with oil, but I can send the Word and these promises that the audience are memorizing they can send into the life of other people. Psalm 107:20
Sid: “He sent His word and healed them.” Do you have fear when you or a loved one is sick, what goes through the inside of you? Do you say, oh I wonder if I have faith for that, what goes on inside of Marilyn Hickey?
Marilyn: When I have a loved one who’s sick or someone in our staff.
Sid: Or yourself even.
Marilyn: Well, because you practice the word pretty soon it’s very spontaneous with you. It used to be I would struggle and I have to struggle speaking that promise a lot but now the first thing I do, and I listen to the Holy spirit, is ask Him for a scripture for this situation and this circumstance then I speak it. When doubt and fear tries to attack your mind and it will, I speak the promises, that’s what Jesus did, He spoke to the devil you know, “It is written.” Say what the word says it overcomes the devil and will overcome your fear and your doubts.
Sid: Well, you know what else really impresses me on how God is using you Marilyn is the amazing favor you have, but that isn’t just part of your DNA that came from doing the same thing with God’s Word. I mean you’ve met Presidents, and Kings, and had such favor with these people; whoop our time has slipped away.
Sid: We want everyone everywhere to be hungry for God, starving for God. Now I just happen to have in my hands a brand new book it’s not even in the book stores yet it’s called “God Hunger.” I have the author on the telephone; she is co-pastor of “In His Presence Church” in Woodland Hills, California, Desiree Ayers. Desiree comes from a Hollywood background; she was a stuntwoman; her father was probably the best paid stuntman in Hollywood. But she had a problem, she had a secret problem, but it wasn’t a secret for long, she had a weight problem. And however she was able to get it under control by not doing things that were life threatening. She was anorexic, bulimic. She would purge herself, she would take pills, and so she would look find but she got married and then all of a sudden she just lost control, gained weight and then went back to her old ways. Confessed to her husband who was a strong Christian as she was actually a new Christian and he said “No matter how many times you slip, no matter how many times you fall the word of God says you are healed and you are healed in Jesus Name.” And she realized that if she fell she didn’t have to go into condemnation and that was the beginning of a process in which God literally spoke to her and showed her step by step how to be free. And in affect as I understand your story Desiree, you found out that you were hungry and you were using the wrong thing to feed yourself. It wasn’t that you were hungry for food there was an emptiness inside of you but you were really hungry for God. Yet many Christians are hungry for God and they still fall back into getting their highs, if you will, and their enjoyment from food. So one of the keys that you found that is in Chapter 5 it’s called “Put Off Extra Weights” explain that.
Desiree: Yes and I think you know I’ve seen this helps so many people you know they have been Christians and have been dabbling weight issues. And the good news is there’s hope for you if your one of those where you feel like “Hey I’ve tried this, I’ve tried that, I’ve tried this book that diet and this prayer group.” It’s not over…. you’re still in the battle, but the good news is you can win this battle with Christ. One of the things that I’ve found in my own life and I’ve seen it with others, I talk about in chapter 5 of putting off the extra weights. And sometimes we can be carrying spiritual weights that actually manifest in our body, or I think kind of plug things up. And one of them is the area of forgiveness which I just think is the major for us to live a healthy victorious overcoming life. You know things happen in life where people betray us, they hurt us and I think it is absolutely crucial for you to live in divine health and keeping your body at its proper weight is part of being in divine health is that it doesn’t matter what’s happened to you that you remember how much God has forgiven you. That makes it easier to forgive other people. And where I first found this the first time I really started to deal with this was I’ve shared before. I was in a fire explosion and this was after I was healed of my eating disorder but I was in a fire explosion where I had my face, neck and arms burned in first, second and third degree burns.
Sid: Well, for those that haven’t heard that’s quite an event you were stuntwoman in Hollywood, and things did not work out the way it was scripted that sounds like an awful situation.
Desiree: It was an awful situation but God is able to take our awful situations when we turn our eyes to him and make a multitude of blessings out of them. And during that time when I was in the hospital one of the blessing that happened my girlfriend came in who sings in the Spirit so beautifully. We were singing in the Spirit and my mom walks in who I told you about earlier with a New Ager and she says “That sound is so beautiful, it sounds like angels singing.” Well, she right then asked Jesus into her heart and got baptized in the Holy Ghost and started singing in the Spirit with us. And so many wonderful things came out of this. When anybody leaves a job transition it can be very difficult. My whole life completely changed and I ended up just spending time every day when I left the hospital with my miracle I would spend time just reading the word, praying and going…
Sid: Wait a second though they don’t realize what kind of miracle. You went into the hospital what was wrong with you?
Desiree: I had my upper lip taken off it was burned off, my face neck, chest and arms were all burned in second and third degree burns.
Sid: And when you walked out of the hospital what did your Jewish doctor say to you?
Desiree: Doctor Grossman who is just a fantastic doctor he said “Desiree,” he goes “this is so far beyond medical recovery it’s your faith in God that heals you.” And he would come in on a regular basis and see me with my Bible and he would say “Desiree stay right there” because most good doctors have seen people that should have died or should have end up scarred they seen it go beyond medical recovery just as they seen people that should have lived that died. So they know, they have an understanding about faith in God, they’ve seen it in action with people. And I have an open invitation which I’ve taken advantage of over the last quite a few years here to go into the hospital at any time I want and get to pray for burned victims. So I go in periodically and I get to lead people to the Lord there which is really a treat.
Sid: Okay, so you left the hospital and then what?
Desiree: Well, then you know I had some people that… you know because I’m no longer a working stuntwoman, were no longer interested in being my friends because I wasn’t in position to get them a lot of work. And so I had some people completely cut me off. One was one of my close friends, I got started in the business and I had a very difficult time with being really mad at her. And I was walking with my husband one day and he was just saying “Desiree you know you have to forgive her” and I said “I know” and so I would pray and we prayed a prayer and I felt great what would happen is I would be around a group of people and some people that did like her and would bring up her name and start talking about her and I would chime in. And all the stuff, you know all the hurt feelings, all the anxiety, all the depression. Because the Bible talks about where there’s un-forgiveness it talks about tormentors being let in it’s almost like they torment your mind. And so I was in prayer one day and God gave me the scriptures in Luke 6:27 and 28 where it says to “Bless your enemies to pray for them and to do good.” Those were three key things and when I started to pray I started to get insight and compassion which meant now I could bless, blesses the next time was in a group of people and they brought up her name and were saying unedifying things I made sure that my words were edifying; I would say something good about the person and I would say the good things about her.
Sid: That’s how you can really tell if you have really forgiven or not when someone’s name comes up that did something bad to you and if you will not say something bad about them when you’re capable of doing it.
Desiree: You’re capable and when you bless them it’s almost like even if there’s like gut feeling where at first you feel very uncomfortable but if you start to bless them it like breaks the back of the tormentor. It’s an amazing spiritual principal where it just leaves, that icky feeling inside of you leaves because you are speaking words of life. And then it says you do good you actually go out of your way, you send them a present, you do something kind for the person. And I found those as such steps of freedom. As I’ve watched people you know that have had different pains, different situations they have gone through whether it’s physical pain or actual weight they’re carrying but as they are willing forgive it was almost like people that had problems of constipation were no longer constipation were no longer constipated any more. You know all the different things that you can do to hold on to hold in spiritually they can manifest in the body and as people would forgive I’ve just seen people really get free even in the area of their eating disorders.
Sid: Now you have the most amazing supernatural prayer in your book; it’s called “The Father’s Love Letter.” Why is that there?
Desiree: Well, I think that it’s so important that people know how much they’re loved by God and woman with eating disorders lots of times have a very low self-image. They don’t really see themselves as worthy or really tremendously loved by God. But I think as they start to see how wonderful their Father sees them and how much He loves them, that’s a whole other step to healing and to see yourself in relationship with your Dad as His daughter created in His image and likeness.
Sid: Now the book is brand new so you don’t have a lot of testimonies from the book. As you taught this throughout the years and you’ve been free for 23 years, I notice some people right books on how to lose weight and a few years later they’re very fat. How have you managed to stay this way for 23 years?
Desiree: Well, everything I have in the book I live by these principals, this is a daily way that I live. I don’t eat breakfast before I eat my spiritual food, I get up in the morning and I have time with the Lord first before I eat my physical breakfast I eat my spiritual food. And that just tends to really keep me on the right path throughout the day and I’ve learned as a young Christian on the days I didn’t spend time with God it seemed like there were more challenging days. And through life I’ve learned there is a couple of ways to learn things; you can learn by life’s hard knocks, or you could start your day sitting at the feet of Jesus talking to Him through His word and really getting your day off to the right start.
Sid: You know this this chapter 3 is so important we don’t have time to go into it write it, read it and run. How important was it to write your goals down and to speak them out loud?
Desiree: Again I think it’s another principal that the world uses and they get all the victory and all the results. So I love seeing Christians just put into practice what the word says. The scripture that I have for that is Habakkuk 2:2 and 3 “Where it says “Right the visions, make it plain on tablets that he who reads it or he may run who reads it.”