Sid RothComments Off on Our Guests Cindy Jacobs and Dick Reuben
Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Cindy Jacobs most of you are familiar with her she’s Co-founder of Generals of intercession. And Cindy one of our Mishpocha wrote us that about 30 days before the tragedy with the Pentagon and with the World Trade Centers you prophesied that there was something terrible coming to America if we didn’t repent. Would you tell me about that?
Cindy: Yes the prophetic word was given in Williamsburg, Virginia July 27th. And the word said “This nation doesn’t even know how much it needs My mercy for in the next 30 days I will decide what I will do this nation for judgment is at the gates and nation was either on a precipice or it will either plummet or soar like an eagle.” And the prophecy also says that “If My people do not pray and repent then there will come a great depression.
Sid: Cindy thank you so much.
Sid: My guest by way of telephone I’m speaking to him at his home in Evansville, Indiana is Dick Reuben. Now Dick for those of you that are not familiar with him is a tremendous student of the word of God. And has a prophetic insight in fact he prophesied the great revival in Pensacola before it occurred right at the Brownsville Church. And Pastor Kilpatrick at the Brownsville, Assembly of God in Pensacola credits Dick with really laying the Hebraic Foundation of our faith which allowed the foundation for the great revival that occurred there. Now Dick in light with all of the terrorist activities in the United States in your understanding of the last days from your study of the scriptures in your prophetic insight what is it first of all what does it mean to us what just occurred at the World Trade Centers and the Pentagon?
Dick: It took a while for the dust to kind of settle as to sorting out the reasons for this. And I’m not saying that we do have all of the reasons and we probably will never know all of the reasons because God’s ways are higher than ours and His mind thinks greater than we do. But He sees the overall picture and I think the overall picture that’s drawing this age to a final conclusion. And I think that it will result eventually and it may not be tomorrow and next week but I think that it probably will evolve into the final great conflict that’s spoken of in the scriptures as being the Battle of Megiddo or the Valley of Megiddo, Armageddon. And that’s where we’re headed with this and it’s not going to be something and even our own President said this is going to be a conflict a protracted conflict that he sees no end in sight for. And I think that he may say that but I don’t think he really understands that and I’m not sure that the American people will tolerate a long drawn out conflict. But we’re not in conflict with Arab or Jew or Gentile or some other force or ethnic group or whatever in this world. We are in the conflict with the power of light and the powers of darkness. And I think that what we find that at least what I feel a conclusive idea of where we’re going is that when we look in the book of Ezekiel in chapters 38 and 39 it would seem to indicate to me perceiving what Yeshua Himself says or Jesus says when there would be a time coming that there would be such an upheaval on this earth that it would be a time that had never been seen nor would it ever be seen again; it would a time of immense trouble throughout the whole of the world. And I think that’s what we’re seeing shaping up right now. And of course a lot of people began to take their focus off of Ezekiel 38 and 39 as the event that would perceive the tribulation period when of course we had the collapse of Russia and the Soviet Union. And we said… so many people said that “Well this is Russia coming out of the north.” No I have said from the very beginning that it’s not Russia that we knew as the 2nd greatest power in the world it was the Muslim population of Georgia and some of the other places north which of course where Russian satellite countries are individual within the confines of the USSR.
Sid: I think that most of our listeners are really not aware of what a high percentage of Muslims there are in the former Soviet Union. In fact someone recently said to me even their armies at least 50% Muslim.
Dick: Absolutely and of course we’ve seen the Kosovo incident and some other areas of turmoil in this world that we live in today. And if you look at it today there’s faction between the religious people it’s Islam versus those who have other faith.
Sid: Now you told me something interesting before we went on the air about a major symbol of the Islamic faith and how it was changed.
Dick: Absolutely we…well I’ve been going to Israel since 1971was my first trip there and I’ve been there many, many times and I’ve noticed after the refurberation of the Dome of the Rock when Jordan refurbished the whole of the golden portion of that dome well it’s been about 8 years ago now that on the top of that Dome of the Rock the symbol was changed. Because the symbol of Islam has always been the crescent moon and if you go to in fact if you go to any modern picture of Israel of course the focus generally you’ll see the golden dome on the Temple Mount and you’ll notice that the two tips of that moon are touching now. They weren’t touching until about the early 80’s they changed this.
Sid: So what does it mean going from the sliver so to speak to the full moon?
Dick: Well the crescent moon was always a symbol of Islam’s domination and Islam’s domination was from the River Nile to the river Euphrates and that would be the predominate domination of Islam. And now it has been changed as they took that crescent moon and took the two tips of the crescent moon which formed a full moon now and then it was established and this has been about 15 years or so ago it was established then that Islam would not dominate the formal crescent from the River Nile to the River Euphrates. Their domination was now world domination and that’s what we’re seeing.
Sid: And indecently I’m sure that the word Islam itself means submission.
Dick: That’s right.
Sid: For everyone to submit to the Muslim belief.
Dick: And the goal of Islam is the submission of every infidel on the face of the earth and if they don’t submit they kill; it’s that simple. And so one of the things I think and this attack on the World Trade Centers has taken on different names but I’ve come to the fact that we just done a new teaching on this a new video teaching and it’s called “Christianity Under Attack.” And that’s what in my opinion it is its Christianity under attack.
Sid: Why do you say that?
Dick: Well because this nation was founded on the principal heritage the Judeo Christian heritage. Those who stepped out of the Mayflower or the first pilgrims whichever one touched this soil whether it was a Cape Henry or a Plymouth Rock claimed this nation in the name of God who had a Son named Jesus. And so when we look at Islam the claim to the name Allah he’s the one supreme god there’s no other god except Allah. And one of the things that’s tribute to that definition is that Allah was not begotten or has he ever begotten for he has no son. So I don’t understand the how our own government which is supposedly Judeo influence when I say Judeo Christian influence that even our own leadership and even our President claims to be born again Christian. What compatibility is there between light and darkness? There can be none. So there can’t be a compatibility between Islam and Judeo-Christianity because Allah has no son my God has a Son! The same as represented by Abraham they’re saying that the offspring of Abraham yes was Ishmael it wasn’t Isaac. And so there’s this whole conflict this conflict of light and darkness. As we look at Ezekiel 38 and 39 and we begin to read about a conflict that evidently affect Israel. Israel would become a predominate force prevailing over that battle whatever you want to call it the Battle of Ezekiel it takes 7 moths of bury the dead, 7 years to burn the weapons.
Sid: So you don’t see this as the Armageddon you see Armageddon as distinct.
Dick: Absolutely I believe that you know it would be fairly clear that there would be something that would precede Armageddon because Armageddon is the battle that Yeshua says “If He doesn’t come back to this earth to rescue flesh.” I’m not talking about spiritual I’m talking about physical flesh. He said “If I don’t come back there would be no flesh to be saved alive.” That’s the battle of Armageddon that’s the return of the Messiah because there’s some that precedes this because certainly even commonsense I mean I would feel that common sense would dictate that there would be no need to burn the weapons 7 years into the tribulation. And so this is what I’m talking about the tribulation period and a war that would precede the tribulation period.
Sid: And yet Ezekiel 38 it says “You will say I will go up against the land of unwalled villages, I will go to a peaceful people who dwell safety all of them dwelling without walls and having neither bars or gates to take plunder.” Well you can’t say its peaceful now.
Dick: No it’s not peaceful now but I think what we’re going to see in the not so distant future is maybe through this whole thing that God has called to be set up and the devil for what the devil foreseen for evil God will surely turn it around for His good I promise you that. But what we’re doing we’re seeing these things that are being set in place for a particular time and I believe that it’s what Yeshua said “This is the beginning of sorrows.”
Sid: My guest by way of telephone Rick Neill. I’m speaking to him at his home outside of Akron, Ohio about his brand new book “Ultimate Glory.” I’ve wanted a book for so long that takes a look… as in the Hebrew it says these Biblical festivals are rehearsals. Wouldn’t you like to go into a rehearsal of the last days that God Himself had put together? That in effect when you look at through the eyes of the Biblical festivals it makes the end time scenario so clearer than looking at it with the filtered lenses of the Greco-Roman festivals. Now on yesterday’s broadcast we talked about the strategic time that the rapture would occur. I asked the question to Rick “Who’s going to be preaching the gospel if the Christians are out of here?” What’s the answer?
Rick: Okay I believe I have a different perspective on this, coming from this Day of Atonement perspective. First of all I think the emphasis during the church age, the 2000 years that the church is on the earth, the emphasis is on, God’s emphasis is on preaching the Gospel. There is some judgment involved in that time, but I believe that once it has ended and the rapture has occurred and the church is taken, I believe that the emphasis on that next season, God’s emphasis on that season, is judgment more than salvation. There will be salvation during that time but the emphasis is going to be more on judgment. The reason that I say that is because of the glorious outpouring on the Day of Atonement, the glory of the Lord is going to fill the earth, there are going to be billions of people brought in.
Sid: You know I have to tell you something, just a personal aside. I’m an evangelist to the very core of my being. I never liked the idea of the pre-tribulation rapture because I thought to myself “I’m an evangelist I don’t want to be pulled out of here the greatest harvest the world has ever seen. I know it sounds crazy but I don’t want to, I don’t care what it costs, what it takes, I want to be involved in reaching millions of souls,” but looking through the eyes of the rehearsals of the Biblical festivals I have the best of both worlds. I’m here for the harvest and I get pulled out before the great tribulation, but things are going to be kind of bad even during the harvest aren’t they?
Rick: The darkness is going to be darker it’s going to be great all over the earth but the glory is going to be even greater. I believe what Paul said in 2nd Thessalonians, he said in 2nd Thessalonians 2:11 “And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.” I believe what the Lord is saying here is that in the combination of the two the great outpouring of glory on the Day of Atonement and the earth shaking evangelistic move that follows that with all of these glory filled believers shaking the earth, raising the dead, emptying out hospitals and nursing homes. It’s going to be almost impossible than to not have heard the truth. Now I believe that this verse that we just read from 2nd Thessalonians answers those who have had the chance who have heard the truth but rejected it because they loved unrighteousness, God is going to send them strong delusion that they would believe the lie of the anti-Christ. So I don’t believe that there’s going to be a great harvest during the time of the tribulation.
Sid: You know what I was thinking though… I’m looking at the time of the great harvest because again as an evangelist the devil’s going to go slightly mashuga, slightly crazy, because these people that will be running around will not be the lukewarm variety of 21st century mental Christians, but ones that are sold out to the lamb. Every one of us are going to be walking and doing the exploits of Jesus, he’s going to go crazy.
Rick: I know it’s fantastic! That’s God’s whole intention that’s His plan that we are going to be like Jesus. The Lord started at the beginning with… every time the Lord gave us a new covenant or expanded the covenant it opened the door to us getting closer and more intimate with the Lord, and us walking in more power. There are 3 major groups in the earth:
Moses and the people that were with him. Up until Moses’ time they didn’t have the law, they didn’t have the feast days, but once the Lord gave them the law, He gave them the feast days it drew them closer they had a more intimate walk with the Lord. Then at the end of their time came…
The second most blessed group ever to live that was John, and Peter, and all the apostles. That group not only could they live as King David lived, but then they moved into being born again and Spirit filled. They got closer to the Lord with more intimate and walked in more power than King David could.
Now there’s this 3rd and last group that’s going to annihilate the works of the devil and that’s us, those who are on planet earth today that believe in the Lord that are repentant that are going after the Lord with all of our heart that not only will we have the power of the Lord that was given on the day of Pentecost, but we’re also going to have the glory. It will be the first time ever in history that the church will walk in the power and the glory simultaneously in the Lord.
Sid: Is that why a lot of people that a day is coming that we won’t have superstars like we have on television today because we’ll all be moving in this anointing?
Rick: Precisely. We will all be… how the Lord speaks to me in this is it’s like a relay race that we all have a lane to stay in in your anointing only works in your lane and so many today are out of their lane trying to do things that they are not called to. But on this day, the Day of Atonement, we all come into the fullness of our destiny, when we come into the fullness of His power and His glory that we will stay in our lane, that the evangelist won’t try to be pastors, and pastors won’t try to be prophets, and people won’t try to do things that they’re not anointed to do. That they will stay in their lane and there will not be jostling for position, nobody will try to be a big name, but everybody will have their call, they will have their destiny, they will have the glory of God filling them and the power residing upon them, and we are going to be the glory that covers the earth.
Sid: You know you gave me a revelation the last time I saw you about Jeremiah 16 verse 14-16 that says “First the fishermen will come for the Jewish people then the hunters.” You took that in a different vein for believers. First the fishermen will come and that’s where we are in the season right now where God by His Holy Spirit is gently telling us during the Feast of Trumpets, the 10 Days of Awe and Repentance, “Repent! Repent! Become a wise virgin be filled with the oil!” But what will happen when the hunters come?
Rick: The hunters are a dark day. The hunters are when the lukewarm get vomited out of His mouth. The love of the Father that is just coming forth into the church now the declaration of the great Father’s heart. That He not only loves us but He likes us, He appreciates us, He receives us right where we are at. He’s in the process of wrapping his arms around us and loving us into wholeness. Now that’s what He wants to do for those who will receive that’s the message of the fishers. The hunters just as with Israel, the Lord has a place for every Jewish person to be in the last days and He will bring in there gently to the fishers, or harshly to the hunters. The same thing holds true for the church, that in the last days there is a position that we’re each predestined to occupy and if we will yield to the wooing of this spirit, the leading of this spirit that we will be where we’re supposed to be doing exactly what we’re supposed to be doing. If we fight against that then the hunters will come and it’s more of a… it’s like the fear of the Lord balanced with the comfort of the Holy Spirit. The Lord wants us to be motivated by the comfort of the Holy Spirit, but when that fails He will use the fear of the Lord for our good so that we won’t be destroyed.
Sid: When you saw so clearly in scripture how this was all tied into the Biblical festivals, what did you think?
Rick: I wept and I shook. My wife at the time we started this I didn’t have a word processor, I did all this on a typewriter and writing it all out long hand in the beginning. She would type out this stuff that the Lord was giving me and she would sit there and literally shake and weep, and I’m overwhelmed by this revelation. What I feel right now Sid as you and I are sitting here talking I feel as if John the Baptist could have had the same conversation with the person there by the Jordan as he was baptizing saying “We’re about to enter into something that nobody has ever walked in before and God is about to do a new thing and you people are the one’s He’s going to use to do it.” I think the same thing can be said of our conversation here right now. That the Lord is about to do a new thing in the earth that nobody has ever walked in before and He’s not going to resurrect Peter or Paul, or Jeremiah to do this He’s going to use us and it won’t be the superhero’s, they will be Spirit filled, Jesus loving, obedient people that are going to turn the church upside down.
Sid RothComments Off on Our Guests Shira Sorko-Ram
SID: Well Shira Sorko-Ram, I’ve known for many years. Shira and her husband are pioneers in Messianic Judaism in Israel, and but she inherited the gift from her dad, Gordon Lindsay. Gordon and Freda Lindsay started Christ for the Nations. But Gordon was the primary force that chronicled the healing revival of the ’40s. But Shira, this doesn’t even seem like you. I know you’re a fabulous writer and a researcher. Why in the world would you research Islam? That’s not your thing. That’s not what you write about.
SHIRA: It really isn’t. And I started last December to, in my mind, I said, we need to find out what in the world is going on when we were watching the White House inviting Muslims enter the White House. I wanted to know what was going on. And so I began to research and I really felt my hair was standing on end because I found that the Muslim Brotherhood organization, which everybody has heard of.
SHIRA: Had a different way than ISIS, had a different way than Al-Qaeda. Instead of coming in with a sword they decided they were come in quietly, very quietly, get leadership, start building mosques. Today, there’s over 2100 mosques. That was in 2010. I’m sure there’s many more now. There are mosques all over the place. There’s centers all over the place. There’s organizations by the tons and each one is to put in another footprint in the United States. And I just, I could hardly believe my eyes as I began to study this. Then I looked for the press to and to see what they wrote. The American press, silent, absolutely silent, absolutely silent. They don’t write about the Muslim Brotherhood. I think that part of it is because they’re afraid. But part of it is because they want to be politically correct.
SID: I live in America. I’m being sheltered of the truth about Islam.
SHIRA: Yes, yes.
SID: But to me, a question, I’ve really pondered this personally for a long time. Something in me gets agitated when I hear a president of the United States. I’ve heard two presidents of the United States, President Bush and President Obama use a phrase, Islam is a peace-loving religion. True or false?
SHIRA: Absolutely false. Absolutely false.
SHIRA: Because of the Koran. What it was about is that Mohammed, at the beginning when he didn’t have a big following, he wrote verses like, “Your religion is yours and my religion is mine,” and it was all peaceful. But after ten years he only had 150 converts. So then when he went from Mecca to Medina and began to get an army going and the people followed him, all of his so-called revelations that he received from who he said was Gabriel the angel, turned very violent. Jihad, Jihad, the sword, you got to go out, we’ve got to go out, we’ve got to conquer the world for Islam, and if they don’t want to believe in Islam then kill them. Take their wives and take slaves.
SID: Wait a second. Today.
SID: We hear that this whole Jihad really and truly is the Jihad of the soul, the inner struggle, not with the sword.
SID: What do you say?
SHIRA: Well in the biography of Mohammed and the Hadis, the short stories, 98 percent of the description of Jihad is violence and sword. There’s two percent that talks about the inner soul, and you probably could figure it out, it was at the beginning when Mohammed didn’t have a big following. So it’s in the Koran. It’s in the Hadis short stores. It’s in his biography. It is Jihad by the sword. We are called by Allah to take over the world and we’re going to do it and people are going to convert Islam or we kill them.
SID: Now I’ve been reading a lot that there’s a group called the Muslim Brotherhood and they have more meetings in the White House than almost any group I can hear of. Bottom line, what is the goal of the Muslim Brotherhood?
SHIRA: The actual goal of the Brotherhood is to put a president in the White House who is a Muslim, to take over Congress, to take over the Senate. I know it sounds crazy, but that’s their goals. Because Mohammed said, you’ve got to conquer the world and put in Sharia Law and make the world Islamic. So they’re doing it in a much nicer way, not with the ISIS style, but they’re going into the government, they’re going into universities.
SID: I’ll tell you what. Hold that thought because what you’re about ready to hear I have never, ever seen anywhere in America, it’s commonplace in Israel, but it’s being hidden from us in America. We’ll discuss this when I come back.
SID: Okay. So his son is dying, no brain activity, no hope. The whole staff is weeping. He hears from God that he’s to go back to the hospital and say, “My son is going to live. He’ll be a miracle child.” He gets back to the hospital. You know what the staff thought about him? They wanted to give him a sedative. They thought he was a little meshugah, crazy. Tell me what happened.
KEITH: Well as I came up out of the church I had the instruction now. I knew what to do. It was up to me now. The Lord appeared to me. Sure enough, I ran in there and the staff sees me coming. They think I’m upset, which I’m upset in a different way. I’m upset that I’m going to be able to tell everybody in the world that Jesus is the healer, that Jesus is a miracle worker, you know. And so, you know, Sid, I only got one minute with Jesus appearing to me. It only takes one minute with God, 60 supernatural seconds. So I had this minute, I followed the instructions, I told the staff. And they said, “Calm down, calm down. You might need a sedative. You’ve been through so much.” My wife is in there, I turn to her and I said, “He’s going to be the miracle boy.” She had him by the hand. There was no change whatsoever. But she said, “You know what? The Lord spoke that to me while you were gone, that you were going to have an encounter.” And I had, Sid. You know what? We called all the doctors in. I told them exactly what had happened, that the Lord had appeared to me. He would be known as the miracle boy. And they said, “You know, for your sake, we hope he is. That would be awesome. And but you know, right now it’s really bad. I mean, it’s about one of the worst we’ve ever seen.” But you know what? The next day while they were—
SID: So is he getting better?
KEITH: No, he got worse. He went downhill.
SID: Oh my goodness.
KEITH: He got worse. After my big word, things got worse overnight. He started having convulsions and he’s in this fetal position, and things got worse and worse. And so the next day, more doctors come. There’s a whole team in there. And this one doctor, the head, walks in there. He said, “I’m sorry. You know, this is really, he’s almost gone.” And he walks in there and I heard him drop his clipboard. My son is sitting up in the bed.
SID: What did they think about that?
KEITH: They were like, oh my God.
SID: They got it right anyway.
KEITH: Yeah. They were like, “Oh my God. You know, he sat up in the bed. We didn’t do anything.” I said, “God did.”
SID: Now I have to ask Keith this. This was many years ago. Today, is there any evidence of the brain damage or bad health. Tell me about your son.
KEITH: Okay. Let me tell you quickly. He didn’t have to go through rehabilitation, no rehab, and that’s good stuff. The moment he got up from that point on, he was out of the hospital within a day. He got out of there, Sid. And what happened was, they said, “Before he goes home we want to check his IQ.” Because his brain was dead, see about his IQ. When they finished testing that kid, he had the brain of a genius.
SID: I tell you what, when God heals, he really heals. One minute with God. But today he has how many degrees and how is his health?
KEITH: Today he’s got several degrees and he’s got two big degrees. He works for a major university. He teaches at the university at times, too, and he works there, and his health is outstanding. He just had a total physical. He’s fixing to turn 41 years old coming up. This miracle happened 35 years ago. He’s about to turn, that miracle has held. He doesn’t have high cholesterol. He doesn’t have high blood pressure. They can’t find nothing wrong, not even a cavity in his teeth.
SID: Oh my goodness. Now just out of curiosity, when he got up, how about the other people in the hospital? What effect did it have?
KEITH: The Glory came when he got up, the same Glory that me, I had with God, the residue of that Glory came on me. I was so shocked I couldn’t even hardly look up. But when that Glory comes on me it changes you into another man or woman. And what happened was that residue that I had gotten back there in the house, in the church, the two places I met with Jesus, that residue came into that room and it was thick. And people would come to the door to walk in, staff, friends, family, preachers, I mean, we had a hundred people there at one time. They couldn’t stand it, it was so strong, they would repent right there. The Glory stayed in that room. As long as he was in the room, the Glory was there. In fact, when he left the hospital, the doctors came and someone said, “We want to hug him, we want to kiss him because we never want to forget that God is a miracle working God.”
SID: Did you hear that? The staff said, God is a miracle working God. But when we come back, Keith was told by God how people can have one minute with God in the Glory and guess what? All things are possible with God. Be right back.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest goes all over the world and has the most miracles, the most outrageous miracles. I’ve never seen what I’m about ready to tell you before until I saw it with my very eyes. Someone is holding, get this, an artificial eye. Have you ever seen an artificial eye? It belonged inside someone’s eyeball, eyelid, socket, whatever. Anyway, it belonged there, but they’re holding it. You know why it’s not in there? There’s an eyeball that was born. Would anyone want to see that? I’m here with Randy Clark. And Dr. Clark, you went to a little Baptist seminary, but God had his eye on Randy. And I think a very important moment in your life was when the founder of the Vineyard Church movement, John Wimber, actually prophesied over you. What did he say?
RANDY: He wanted me to know that the first two times he met me, which had been ten years earlier, that he heard the audible voice of God, which was a rare thing for him. And the first two times he heard the Lord say that one day he was going to send me around the world, to put my hands some people, pastors and leaders, pray that they would be activated in gifts of the Spirit. And because of that, ten years earlier, John had allowed me to be like a shadow to him. He wanted to spend some time training me.
SID: The presence of God is just increasing by the second. You had a major impartation. What do you call, what is an impartation?
RANDY: Probably the easiest way to say it, it’s the transference of an anointing. But what’s misleading about that is sometimes God will use you in what is transferred when you pray is more than what you have. So you actually—
SID: That doesn’t sound fair. I mean, you give away more than you got.
RANDY: A lot of times, yeah. It’s multiplication.
SID: But this man is so hungry for God he went to a meeting with Rodney Howard-Browne. As I understand it, you kept getting in line. But one time Rodney prayed for you and what happened?
RANDY: Well several times, he prayed for me five times in one session.
SID: I mean, talk about someone being hungry for God, five times in one session.
RANDY: I just kept getting in line. Right before I went to trial, two weeks before I went to Lakeland, Florida where Rodney was at and he saw the power of God on me, and he called me up and prayed for me. And shortly after that, I was laying on the floor and I felt this tremble, this power come onto my hands, and it caused them to distort and twist a little bit, and got really hard and cold. And Rodney came down and said, “This is the fire of God on your hands. Go home and pray for everybody in your church,” which I did, and God really touched me.
SID: Out of curiosity, of course, you saw things before that. But what happened when you got back? Give me a little description. After you had that impartation in your church, what really happened?
RANDY: Well a Lutheran on our worship team saw the Glory cloud roll into the church and no one had ever fallen in my church in its history since I started it. And it was, it was an eight o’clock service and some people didn’t get off the floor until 4:30 that afternoon, going through visions and inner healing for terrible traumatic things that had been done to them. God just started healing.
SID: But even beyond that, in 1994, you went to a little storefront church in Toronto, Canada. I tell you, after a few days it turned into a revival that, a little storefront church, four million people from all over the world came there. Were you pretty shocked over what happened?
RANDY: I was excited and I was shocked because I told my daughter, who was crying when I left, I said, “Don’t worry, Daddy has never been asked to go anywhere. This is the first time in almost 20 years. I’ll be back in four days and this may never happen. I may never get asked to go anywhere again,” is what I told her. But the night before they let me see this prophecy they let me know that God was going to do something special and God was going to back me up. And so I expected God to come, but he did exceedingly abundantly above what I could have asked or imagine.
SID: Well listen to this. Remember he said he prays for people to get more than him? And I personally interviewed a number of these people. Very briefly, tell me about one person you prayed an impartation over by the name of Heidi Baker. What happened to her?
RANDY: She, the word was, “Heidi, God wants you to know what you want the nation to be.” She said, “Yes.” She was crying and on her knees. And I said, “God is going to give you the nation of what’s going to be. You want to see the blind, see the deaf, hear the lame walk and the dead be raised.” The power of God hits her instantly. She’s extremely hot. She’s sweating. The power gets so strong. She says, “God, if you turn it up he’s gonna kill me.” He says, “Good, I need you dead.” It lasted seven— she heard an audible voice say to her, hundreds of churches and thousands of people, [unintelligible] I started four churches in 17 years. It almost killed us. God took her into visions. But this experience lasted seven days and nights before it was over.
SID: How many people do you think have been reached through their operation?
RANDY: We know, it’s been over a million people saved through their ministry, probably about 10,000 churches started.
SID: 10,000 churches. Leif Hetland.
RANDY: He was another one.
SID: What happened after Leif Hetland when you prayed?
RANDY: I prayed for him, got a prophetic word, “I see you in a dark place. God is going to make you a bulldozer. He’ll make a way where there’s been no way and I see a multitude of people coming out of the darkness following in the light.” He gets knocked to the floor for two and a half to three hours shaking. The next week he flowed in all the gifts of the spirit, which he never had before. When his feet touched the soil of the Arab nation, miracles started breaking out and he led over a million Muslims to the Lord Jesus Christ.
SID: A million Muslims to the Lord! I’ll get excited for both of us. Okay. But you know what? He prays for people over television and they get the impartation. Tell me about the woman in London.
RANDY: The last time I was on with you when it happened and it was doing a rerun. You were doing a rerun of that meeting and I’m praying for impartation. And she’s a housewife. She’s not in the ministry or anything. God knocks her into the floor and she gets stuck to the floor, and she can’t move. She can’t communicate, she can’t talk or anything. She’s out, not out, but she’s conscious, but lying on the floor, pinned to the floor for hours. Her husband comes home, sees her there. She can’t communicate. He thinks she’s had a stroke. They call an ambulance, they get the ambulance there, they get her on a gurney, they put her in the ambulance, get her to the hospital, and she’s in the emergency room before God releases her to be able to say what had happened to her.
SID: Tell me about that seven-year-old real quick. I actually hired this guy’s dad and a lot of those felt like this was a sign of who I needed to hire. But we were doing a show and it was being televised. And this little seven-year-old boy is watching this family and all of a sudden he’s knocked to the floor and he’s stuck to the floor for a long time, over an hour. I forget how many hours he’s stuck to the floor. He even told his dad, “Dad, can you carry me to go to the bathroom. I can’t get up.” And they even brought him something to eat while he’s there because he can’t move. And as a result of it, I said, God has got something for us, a connection between my ministry and this man and because of his son. And the little boy’s dad said, “What’s wrong?” He said, “Daddy, I don’t know what’s wrong, but whatever that man is talking about it just jumped out of the TV and jumped on me.”
SID: I’ll tell you what, that’s going to happen to you. And he has seen such phenomenal breakthroughs in mental illness, things that doctors, wait until you hear what doctors are saying about some of these people he’s prayed for. We’ll be right back.