Sid: There is a scripture that I’ve been thinking about it says “The Word of the Lord will go out from Zion.” Now people think that what that means is when the Messiah returns the word of the Lord will come out from Zion. But more and more I am being convicted by the Ruach Hakodesh, the Spirit of the living God, that there is one more time the word… well we know 2000 years ago the word of the Lord went out from Zion and affected the whole world. But I believe that we’re ready for one more time before the Messiah returns the word of the Lord will go out with fiery young Jewish evangelists from Israel. Now this is what I’m convicted of. So I said to myself “Self who can I talk to that really has a handle on what’s going on in Israel right now?” And the obvious answer was a friend of mine that’s been in Israel since 1967. She was on the front page of the Los Angeles Times, Time Magazine, papers all over the world back in 1973. And I have her on the telephone I’m speaking to her from her office in Tel Aviv Israel Shira Sorko-Ram. Shira shalom.
Shira: Shalom shalom.
Sid: Bring our audience up to date as to why you made headlines all over the world?
Shira: Well at that time the orthodox, the rabbinic orthodox of Israel, were quite a bit more powerful than they are today. And so they had heard that I was a believer in Yeshua the Messiah, Yeshua Hamashiach and they put it in their papers hoping to I don’t know what run me out of town or whatever. So one of their hot heads then came and put a Molotov cocktail at my door on the 3rd floor hard neck and it set the whole place on fire. Fortunately the police and the fire department came within a couple of minute. And it happened that a journalist passed by just at that moment. And so he ran upstairs after they put the fire out and he said “What’s going on here?” And I said well I think it’s because of who I believe in. And he said “Well who do you believe in?” And I said “I believe in God and I believe that His Son is Yeshua the Messiah; and through Yeshua I have come to know God.” And so the next day in Israel’s largest newspaper on the back page it said my name and it said “She said she knows God.” So from that it went all over, actually the world. I had reporters, I had actors and actresses and I had actually Yeshiva students from the Hebrew University, I had military people coming and asking me what I really believe, “Why would somebody put a Molotov cocktail in my house?” So I had great opportunities to witness. The only thing was back in 1973 there were so few Jewish believers in Israel that there was no way to follow up on the interest.
Sid: Approximately how many would you say back then?
Shira: Back then that could speak Hebrew in Israel?
Shira: Oh my if maybe maybe there might be 100 but today in Israel how many Messianic Jewish synagogues are there? Oh, maybe 100 different groups, home groups, and congregations of various size. Anywhere from let’s say 20 people to there’s a couple of them that are with Russian immigrants that are like 300 something like that.
Sid: Is there such a thing as approximation of how many Jewish believers there are in the land of Israel today?
Shira: You know there’s really no way to know, we’ve always used this figure I think for the last many years we’ve said about 7000 but we know that they’re growing…
Sid: Russian congregations are they’re spring up all over the place now.
Shira: Yeah, so maybe it’s in the direction of 10,000 at this point believers but that’s believers. That’s including Russian, Ethiopian, those from the west speak English. But Hebrew speakers they’re might be something like a 1000 Hebrew speaking Israeli born again believers.
Sid: Hm. For those that are not familiar with Shira I’ll give you a bit of her background. Her father Gordon Lindsey started Christ for the Nations Bible College in Dallas, Texas. The reason that many people are familiar with the name Gordon Lindsey isn’t even because of Christ for the Nations but because he was the one that chronicled the great healing revivalists such as William Branham who happens to be one of my favorites. And Shira you provoke me to jealousy because as a child you got to know these great men and women of God. Did you actually see the miracles taking place with your very eyes under the Branham ministry?
Shira: I most certainly did I sat in William Branham’s meetings many many days and nights and I can tell you that that those services had everybody riveted on the edge of their seats because he head such an amazing gift of knowledge. He would have a line of people… actually my father would be standing at the bottom of the stage stairway and because there were so many people that wanted to be prayed for they always had to have a card to fill out and those who came according to the number then they could come otherwise it was just a mob scene. And on this card would be what they’re disease was. Now my father was a very exact man to him integrity was at the top of the list. So I remember him telling me that when Branham would tell a person through the gift of knowledge what was wrong with them and many things about their family, where they live, all kinds of things.
Sid: Would he actually know their names?
Shira: He would know their names, he would often know their doctors names.
Shira: He would tell them where they lived, the address where they lived. But you see this was not like a witch telling you a bunch of fortune stuff. There was a heavy anointing of the Holy Spirit which was bringing these people both into conviction and also into a strong faith. Because when they would hear that Branham through the gift of knowledge knew so much about them it raised their faith level to say “Well if God knows this about me then He is able to heal me.” And because of this remarkable gift I saw many many people come into receive their healing instantaneously.
Sid: Was there any one a close second to Branham as far as percentage of people miraculously healed or was he in a class all by himself?
Shira: Well Kathryn Kuhlman had a very great healing ministry. She didn’t have the gift of wisdom to be or the gift of knowledge to the extent that he did. I have not seen anything that worked so perfectly. Now I want to say this, someone asked me the other day why did God not give these gifts to more people? And I really want to answer that.
Shira: Branham was one of the most humble men on the face of the earth. I as a child remember sitting under many different healing evangelists and some of them I don’t know there’s a certain perception a child can see a hypocrite if there’s one can see pride. But Braham was a genuine humble person but because of his incredible gift people looked to him like a god almost. I remember my father telling me that one time in a town somewhere they found out where Branham was staying in a hotel. When my father got there there was a line up to his room down the stairs, out the door and around the corner of the street. And he would take each one and try to talk to them but he was a small man and not very strong. So he would usually just collapse after talking to so many people. And so but because of this he had a lot of he began to have a lot of hanger on-ers people that were his yes man. He didn’t have people that he could listen to.
Sid: Was that the reason his teaching got off towards the end?
Shira: Absolutely, absolutely I know that my father who was so very close to him tried to get to him near the end of his life and he couldn’t even get to him.
Sid: Shira our time is slipping away today but this is what I believe I believe that ministries like Branham, Kathryn Kuhlman I’ve observed the best. I mean I’ve been studying the healing ministry for the past 25+ years. I have not seen the gifting that I saw in Kuhlman, I did not see it in Branham but I saw videos of Branham. I believe that they’re about ready to start and my conviction they’re ready to start in Israel. What do you feel about that?
Shira: Well we’re ready. I heard about a book the other day that I want to get that that they were only having a regular prayer meeting and they were only there because they were committed to be there and all of a sudden the fire of God came. Now we have that, we have prayer meetings every week, we’re there we’re praying. We’re expecting the prophecies in the Bible to come to past for us.
Sid: Is there something different in the air right now in Israel as far as evangelism?
Shira: Most certainly, most certainly.
Sid: Mishpochah I tell you this is the set time to favor Zion; this is a time that God is once again having mercy on His chosen people.
Sid: Well this Friday begins what are known as the High Holy Days, Rosh Hashanah and then days later Yom Kippur and then Feast of Tabernacles. Well, Rosh Hashanah begins this Friday and on Yom Kippur we’re told as we study the scriptures about 2 goats. My guest Michael Lane is a tremendous Bible Teacher especially in the Bible Festivals. And Michael tell me a bit about the 2 goats.
Michael: Well there was 2 goats put before the Lord just like Barabbas and Jesus Pilate turned them around and faced them towards the crowd. There was 2 goats put in front of the folks in Jerusalem. One would be for the sending away of our sins it would be the azazel the goat of departure the sending away of our sins. And the other one will be slain and the blood will be put on the altar. The Lord’s goat symbolized the Messiah in His death He died to reconcile and that was the first goat and the scapegoat that went off into the wilderness and thrown off a cliff supposedly symbolized the Messiah in His resurrection. He lives to reconcile some people think that He just went off into the wilderness and whether He was thrown off a cliff or not we don’t know but the word forgiveness actually means to bear or to carry away. The scapegoat is very interesting for us because it represents, the scapegoat represents the church today because everything that the Lord has done He’s calling us to do of course not dying for our sins. But the scapegoat was presented before Yahweh along with the Lord’s goat so the church is presented before God with Christ. The scapegoat was also to be without spot or blemish back to the linen garments we spoke about yesterday and the washing and the cleansing and the incense. The scapegoat was also to be without spot or blemish with the Lord’s goat. So the Messiah and His church are both without spot and blemish and that’s our lives the fulfillment of these last days Feasts the fall Feasts in the light of the Lord’s coming back in preparation of His coming. This is what we’re looking forward to, what we’re to be walking in now. The scapegoat lived to reconcile, the Lord’s goat died to reconcile and the church lives to reconcile while the Messiah died to bring reconciliation. The scapegoat was involved in the sending away of sin in the ministry of forgiveness. And we now, the church, lives to reconcile while the Messiah died to bring reconciliation. The scapegoat was involved in the sending away of sin in the ministry of forgiveness and we now the church His Body is involved in forgiveness of sins. And as the scapegoat was taken outside the camp bearing the reproaches of Israel so we’re called to come outside the camp Hebrews 13 says. And that’s funny because in society they refer to somebody that takes away someone else’s reproach as being the scapegoat. And we here that word a lot in life but this is where it came from.
Sid: You know Michael I’m sure you’re familiar with this but in the Talmud in Yoma 39 A& B it says that 40 years before the destruction of the temple there were 4 signs that occurred that really are unbelievable. Because what happened well I’ll say the Temple was destroyed in ’70 AD so 40 years before ’70 AD was around the year ’30 we know what happened ’30, and these 4 signs occurred in the Temple.
Had to do with the scapegoat it says “The lot for the Lord’s goat did not come up in the right hand of the High Priest.” This was a very dangerous sign. And at the same time the majority of the Jewish people reject the Messiah the Talmud tells us that there were 4 very strange signs. The lot came up in the wrong hand.
The scarlet cord that was tied to the door of the Temple on the Day of Atonement it stopped turning white after the scapegoat had been cast over the precepis and this was something this was suppose to turn white.
The western most light in the Temple candelabra it wouldn’t burn. And it’s believed that this light was used to light the other candles of the candelabra so you couldn’t even lighting the candles in the Temple.
Occurred when the Temple doors would open by themselves and the Rabbi’s saw this as an ominous fulfillment of Zachariah 11:1 which says “Open thy doors O Lebanon, that a fire may devour thy cedars.” The opening of the doors to let in the consuming fire foretold the destruction of the Temple itself by fire.
So these 4 signs God was obviously showing that He was displeased by something that had occurred 40 years before the Temple was destroyed which was approximately the year ’30. Isn’t that an amazing phenomena?
Michael: Yes, it’s amazing.
Sid: Now the question I pose to you is with all of these obvious things that are in the Talmud that God found unacceptable around the year ’30 AD. What sin did we Jewish people commit that caused God not accept our Yom Kippur sacrifices? Huh, one guess, we didn’t recognize the time of our visitation; Messiah Yeshua. You know Michael there’s an ancient Yom Kippur prayer in a Prayer Book, in traditional Jewish Prayer book and let me read this to you. “Our Righteous anointed has departed from us, horror has ceased us and we have none to justify us. He has born the yoke of our iniquities and our transgressions and is wounded because of our transgression. He bareth our sins on His shoulder that He may find pardon for our iniquities. We shall be healed by His wounds at the time that the Eternal will create Him” that’s the Messiah as a new creature. Isn’t that amazing that’s in a traditional Jewish prayer book for Yom Kippur. Can you picture Jewish people reading this being bathed in prayer by Christians in their community? And I just believe that this Yom Kippur which is 10 days from Friday is going to be a time in which many Jewish people are going to have revelations of Messiah. Michael would you… we talked earlier about the prayers are like the incense that goes up in the Temple to God. I think it’s time for some incense to go up to the Temple of God praying for the salvation of Jewish people throughout the United States. Would you pray that now?
Michael: Yes. Lord, we just thank You but we thank you for Passover time that’s about the blood being shed but Yom Kippur is really when all of the Jewish people are in synagogues. Lord we ask for revelation, that you would remove the scales and blinders Lord. We ask for revelation for Jerusalem Lord God, for Israel for your Jewish people all around for Rabbis that are heads of congregations all around in Australia. And just all the different countries Lord God that You would remove the scales and the blinders and that as they read these words Lord that they would get a revelation Lord. That they would even see the different dimensions of the word of God and that it’ll become alive Lord You’ve done that in my family and so many of 100’s and 1000’s of Jewish people throughout the world Lord God. Lord we thank You for revelation to our Jewish people during these Feasts of Succoth and Yom Kippur and Tabernacles Lord.
Sid: And Father God as the spiritual scales are coming off of the eyes not just of Jewish people but of Christians and that your understanding of the foundations of the entire New Covenant; of the foundations of the Festivals. Of the whole thing being… as Edith Schaffer the wife of the great theologian Francis Schaeffer wrote a book called “Christianity is Jewish.” Father remove the spiritual scales from the eyes of Gentile Christians to be able to see your heart, your compassion for Jewish people for the nation Israel. And Father God as these scales come off the eyes of Gentile Christians eyes let them also come off the eyes of Jewish people. Father God I pray the prayer of Yeshua would come to fruition that very final prayer that You prayed in John 17:21 MessiahYou prayed that “They, Jews and Gentiles, might be one.” Because when those two are one You said “So that the world would believe and that the same glory that is on Messiah will be on them.” Father God I pray for the rain of Tabernacles, the rain of Your Holy Spirit, I pray that that rain would begin to drip right now and come to fruition on Tabernacles in Yeshua’s Name I pray Amen. We just have a couple of minutes left Michael would you give us a little taste of the third festival coming up after Yom Kippur Feast of Tabernacles?
Michael: Yes, the Second Coming of the Lord, most people believe that it will be during the Feast of Tabernacles that’s the main event of these last 3 feasts. The Rosh Hashanah the blowing of the trumpets day and Yom Kippur the Day of Atonement really are in preparation of the ultimate feast of ingathering and of unity and faith and peace and anointing of the Feast of Tabernacles where the Lord actually comes and tabernacles with us. And it’s just an amazing prophecy that we can start living in and we can actually hasten His coming by praying the prayers that we just prayed and looking toward these feasts and reading the scriptures and trying to be that kind of believer.
Sid: Mischpochah if you haven’t gotten the message yet I believe that God wants you to be proud of your roots. And whether you’re African American, or white, or Hispanic, or Asian, or Latin, or any nationality yes it’s important to be proud of your heritage and of your roots. But how much more your spiritual roots. And your spiritual roots are found in the Bible, their found in the land of Israel, they’re found in the Old Covenant. And don’t get legalistic on me by taking these things because you feel you have to do it but recognize that you will have supernatural revelation of the last days. You will be used by God as a bridge builder between Jews and Christians. But you must understand your biblical roots.
Sid: This is Sid Roth and I’m talking to Julie Meyer and Julie you say that you have breakthroughs 100% of the time when you sing scripture. And for those that perhaps didn’t hear the first part of the interview you’re a soccer mom you’re a busy woman. You had 3 small sons and that’s enough to do it to anyone 2 of them twins. And tell me about the breakthrough you get I want to hear about this 100% of the time when you sing the words of God.
Julie: Actually I mean for me it’s 100% breakthrough 100% of the time. When I because of growing up with an alcoholic mother and she gave her life to the Lord right before she went to be with Jesus which was amazing because I got to pray with her and I love that. But I had a lot of things that I had to work through personally. A big one is that I hated myself, I hated myself, I hated how I sang and I spent a lot of years in counseling which I don’t mind. Even when I was in high school because I was already getting ulcers just because of my family life. And what happened is that the counselors helped me understand why I thought the way I thought but I didn’t have a breakthrough and I say a breakthrough on the heart level meaning I couldn’t feel His love for me. And when I began to sing the word suddenly it was like everything that I thought about me it was like replaced with God’s thoughts about me. And I feel like it was such a miracle because I simply took the word, I would take Psalms, I would sing it word for word, I would turn it into a prayer but then I would prophesy it over me.
Sid: Would you …you know what would you just sing it impromptu right now a scripture over those that are listening?
Julie: Absolutely! One of my favorites is Psalms 116 verses 1 and 2. “I love the Lord because He hears my voice and my cry because He bends down and listens I will pray as long as I breathe.” And I’m going to sing it as if God were singing it to the listeners because this is how I had breakthrough in my own life. (Julie worshiping with scripture) 0:24:36.0 – 0.25:57.5
Sid: Wow I hate to continue the interview I just want to sit back and soak in that but one of the things that happens is you have visions and dreams and you were telling me that you literally feel that you’re in them, explain that.
Julie: Absolutely! I remember them like it’s what I did yesterday and what I love about it is I’m just a Mom and I don’t mean to say just but I’m not a theologian, I’m not a Doctor, I love the PhD’s I love the Bible I love learning Bible but I feel like simple person that just loves Him. And when He opened the door and suddenly I just began having these dreams and encounters and I could smell, I mean could see, I could touch, I could feel.
Sid: But these dreams they’re transforming, they’re prophetic, I mean you heard you saw things in your dreams that have come to pass. You developed a burden for the Jewish people that you didn’t have before until you walked through that dream.
Julie: I had a dream where I…Jesus He was…He came to me very nice and He said “I want you to meet my friends. And He took me and we were kind of like flying, I mean and I really was flying it was like I was a bird. And in my mind I’m thinking, “Oh, I want to meet Isaiah, I want to meet Ezekiel.” I’m thinking you know the Lord’s friends and suddenly He looks towards the earth and we start literally just flying straight to the ground and I know we are going to hit the ground. Not…we didn’t just hit the ground we went through the ground as if we were a rocket! And when we came up through the other side I felt in this dream. Because it was as if my body really did this and we came up and I was in what I knew to be Jerusalem but my body was torn, my flesh was torn and I was in pain. It was like my body really went through the earth. And in the dream He got right up in my face and He said “Until your heart is torn in two like your flesh you do not know My friends; these are My friends I want you to experience the burden that I carry.” And in this dream I’m walking with Him like down these paths and I know that I’m in Jerusalem but He is and it’s as if I can feel His broken heart because the people it was the Jewish people they didn’t care that He was there. But this was the exciting part; the exciting part is that He began to just look at them and He would nod and I would see this suddenly, it’s Psalms 102 “Appear in Your glory.” It’s as if suddenly He was appearing to different ones of the Jewish people and I saw their face that suddenly they knew He was Yeshua. And the neat thing is that I saw Him appear to top Rabbis and these top Rabbis and after He would appear to them they knew that He was Yeshua Hamashiach. And these top Rabbis they would go up into the high part of their house. They had like this upper room in my dream and they were saying “This changes everything, this changes everything! Because these are the Rabbis that study the Torah, they memorize the Torah, they have it memorized in 5 different languages but suddenly He added Rhema to the Torah and they understood He was Yeshua. And it was as if in this dream I saw that He was breathing on this tiny flame of knowledge in their hearts and there was a day, there was an hour coming when these Rabbis and they were top Rabbis in Jerusalem that they would run up to the top of this mount and yell “Yeshua is Messiah, Yeshua is the Messiah!” And in the dream I’m watching this and because I was there I saw it with my eyes I felt it in my body. I know it, because it is as I lived it yesterday and it’s already happened.
Sid: And it’s happening right now! Most of those listening to us right now don’t know that Dr. Michael Brown and I partnered in doing an evangelistic webpage for Orthodox Jewish people. I believe that this is…I mean God has us doing so many things to reach Israel right now. And I’m going to tell you something else when you get a hold of Julie Meyers book “Dreams and Supernatural Encounters” I believe that you’re going …Julie what happened to your heart in reference to the Jew in Israel after walking into this experience?
Julie: You know what is so exciting because at the House of Prayer we have 3 or 4 different prayer meetings where it’s devoted to pray for Israel, to pray for the Jewish people and I used to go to those meetings and not even get it. I just, I didn’t get it but when I had this dream I still…even though I didn’t have the passion that I knew other people had for Israel I still asked Him for it. “God give me Your heart, what are Your thoughts toward Israel, what do you think about when You look at your beautiful people?” But when I had this dream I woke up with number 1 a heaven burden to pray because He wanted me to carry the weight of the burden of prayer. I think that’s why we have dreams so that we can birth His purposes in the earth through intercession. But when I woke up I mean I loved them, I mean I loved the Jewish people like I love my family. And the neat thing is that when people have read this dream there’s like…it’s like the Spirit of the Lord is in the pages of the book and as people are reading it. My testimony has been that when they’re done and they turn the page to the next dream that they have this passion for Israel and the Jewish people that they didn’t have when they started reading it.
Sid: But you know it’s not just for the Jewish people I believe that your dreams capture the heart of God for this moment in history that we’re living in. And the feedback that I’m getting from our staff that are reading that book is their lives are being transformed. …This is God’s moment for Israel but I see Israel as the catalyst to reach the Gentiles. When Jesus came the first time He used the Jew to reach the Gentile; when He returns I believe He’s going to once more use the Jew to be modern day Paul the Apostles to take the word of God throughout the whole earth. I do not believe it’s an accident that Israel is one of the computer capitols of the world and I believe these young Israeli’s are going to get saved and evangelize the world. When we come back I got so much to talk to Julie about but one of my favorite songs on these new CD’s I’m going to play for you.
Sid: The One New Man’s move of God’s Spirit in the last days revelation to it is involved in a book that I’m making available this week it’s called “The Secret Place” by Dr. Dale Fife. On January 1st 1999 Dale was desperate he had been very successful in ministry in denominational church and then a church with 3 churches coming together. It interdenominational, inner racial church and he had even started something called “The Barn” for the kids that would not be acceptable in most mainline churches and God so blessed it. And he knew of the ways of the Spirit and he knew God but he was stuck he was desperate like some of you are stuck, like some of you are desperate right now. And on January 1st 1999 he went into his study, he locked the door, he had his prayer journal there. And he was so desperate for God and a prayer came out of his spirit that was not premeditated and what was that prayer Dale?”
Dale: Well that prayer was “Lord I want to be like Enoch, I want to walk with You and be Your friend.” And the Lord so powerfully answered that prayer I immediately heard the voice of the Spirit say “Son, I hear your cry and I have come to answer you prayer and I’m going to walk with you in the days to come when I walked with Enoch.”
Sid: Now what does it mean to walk with Enoch from the Bible?
Dale: Well if we go back in the scriptures the amazing thing that I am aware of Sid is this, that in the beginning when God created man in the Garden of Eden God created Adam and Eve so that He would have companionship, so that He would have someone to talk to, so to speak, they were created to have fellowship with God. And when I prayed this prayer I didn’t really know a lot about Enoch accept that he walked with God the Bible doesn’t really say very much about Enoch. There are a few verses in Genesis and then in Hebrews we read that he was taken away by faith he was taken away so that he did not see death and not found because God had taken him.
Sid: Now that’s my way of dying.
Sid: I like that (Laughing).
Dale: For before he was taken he had this testimony “That he pleased God.”
Dale: And you know there’s been a lot of emphasis and I just so love what Tommy Tenney has written about being a God chaser, but there was a cry in my heart that went beyond chasing God. I was saying “God I want to do more than chase You I want to please You. Enoch was a God pleaser not a God chaser he didn’t have to chase God he walked with God. And so when I prayed this prayer God so powerfully answered me that in the days to follow I would go into my study and just sit in God’s presence for hours at a time.
Sid: I mean you would sit in your study for 8 hours at a time, but there’s something that you said in your book that I’ve heard many many times but it just kind of struck home with me. And you made this statement and I wrote it down “That I had been so busy with thee ministry I had neglected the Lord of the ministry”.
Sid: Now all of us feel we want to do things for God and we feel our purpose is to do things for God but that’s not what God’s revealing to you our purpose is. What is God showing you our… and listen now just because I’m in full time ministry and Dale’s in full time ministry doesn’t mean that it’s any different for someone that has a secular job. Or not in quote ministry, because the truth is that’s out of the pit of hell we’re all in ministry. But my problem has been Dale that I’ve been doing things for God not realizing there’s a higher priority explain that higher priority than doing things for God.
Dale: Absolutely, I remember one particular day as I was taking an Enoch walk with the Lord that the Lord came to me powerfully and He said “I want to teach you somethings, I want to share with you somethings that I shared with Enoch.” And immediately my spirit leaped and I said “Lord, you’re going to share with me some of the things that you spoke to Enoch?” And I was you know just totally riveted to what I was hearing the Lord say.
Sid: By the way when He talks to you is it just an impression, is it almost like a voice, how is it normally?
Dale: Well normally I see. My eyes are wide open I’m sitting in my prayer chair but I’m seeing in the spiritual realm like a open vision where I’m actually watching, I’m walking with the Lord…
Sid: Is this almost like what they call in the Old Covenant a Seer?
Dale: Absolutely, in fact I think that is probably one of the keys to hearing the voice of God. It’s like Habakkuk said “I’ve taken my position on the wall and I will watch to see what God will say.” And I’ve discovered truly in my own life and for me I’m a prophetic seer and a scribe in a sense because I see what God is saying in vision and in dream. And as I see I’m recording, it’s almost like I’m in the vision and I’m recording what I’m seeing and what I’m hearing then in by the voice of the Spirit. The Lord…
Sid: I refer to myself as a good Jewish secretary when I have words of knowledge. Well, you are good believing secretary.
Dale: Absolutely, in fact Jesus said “I have given you prophets, scribes and teachers,” and I believe that my call right now that my commission from the Lord is to be a prophetic scribe. There are things that God wants to say to His people that need to be written and released into the Body of Christ. I’ve discovered after several years of Enoch walks with the Lord that the things that God speaks to me in the secret place are so powerful and moving that when I share them with other people I can literally see the anointing of God come upon them because it’s life giving.
Sid: Well that’s what I felt when I started reading your book but you were telling me a story to nail down this business of what is our purpose.
Dale: Yes, the Lord had come to me one day and said “I’m going to talk to you about this, I’m going to share with you some things that I shared with Enoch about.” And I really didn’t know much about Enoch so I began to look at the scripture and see what the scripture was saying. I discovered something that literally blew my mind Sid. I discovered something that kind of really made me to understand how Enoch could experience this intimacy with God. Because the first secret place was the Garden of Eden, man made… was made to have intimacy with God. And when Enoch was born his great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was still alive who was Adam.
Sid: You know I read that in your book and I never thought about that before. And so in affect he could ask granddad, great, great, great granddad about what was going on in the garden.
Dale: Yes! I had this vision one day that little Enoch sitting on Adam’s knee and Adam saying “Grandson I want to tell you how your Grandmother and I walked with God in the Garden.” And as little Enoch heard these words from his grandfather he in his simple child-like faith he probably and this was an assumption but I can truly believe this happened he said “Well, Grandpa if you can walk with God so can I.” And I believe that with the concept and reality of walking with God was instilled in Enoch by his grandfather.
Sid: And Dale if you can walk with God so can I!
Sid: And Mishpochah if I can walk with God so can you, go ahead. That was a little God commercial.
Dale: So I discovered that first of all Enoch who learned, I believe he learned intimacy with God from Adam his grandfather. And even his name and I know that you’re aware Sid that names are given in the Old Testament to imply destiny. And Enoch’s name means one who is instructed, one who is initiated, one who is consecrated, even one who is experienced. And that just so gripped me that even the man’s name talks about intimacy with God, experience with God. So the Lord said to me one day “I want to talk to you about life and purpose and this is what I talked to Enoch about.” He said that Enoch, He said “I told Enoch that life itself is purpose, I am life, I’ve come that you might have life, I am the Resurrection and the life and just as the tree of life was in the garden in the center of the Garden so I need to be in the center of your life; and if you will come daily and take of Me the tree of life you will have life in you.” And the Lord said to me very clearly one day He said “Most people confuse purpose and assignment and they think that they’re assignment in life is their purpose.” And these words are so real to me it was like I could hear the Lord saying them to me again. He said “When I created Adam I did not make him because I needed a gardener.”
Dale:” I made him because I wanted to walk with him and commune with him. And He said “Your purpose in life is intimacy with Me.”
Sid: Say that again.
Dale: Your purpose in life is intimacy with God, is intimacy with Him. That’s why every human being was made was to have intimacy with God. Adam…
Sid: You know what if most… if all Christians had intimacy with God all Jews would be saved and Jesus would be here.
Sid: My guest by way of telephone from his home in Tampa, Florida is Chiropractor Dr. John Miller. This week and next week we’re going to be teaching on communion, why is that so important? Well Dr. Miller has devoted the last 20 years of his life studying this and as I have heard these revelations this is another instance where from the Biblical festivals because communion is the Last Supper, or the last Passover Seder. If you don’t understand the Hebraic roots which were stolen from the first church you’re going to miss some of the greatest revelations available in scripture. With the days and times we’re living in, with the biological warfare, with the spirit of fear on earth, I am so excited about this revelation trust me listen this week and next week and it will revolutionize your life. It will probably save your life. Dr. Miller begin teaching on communion please.
John: Yesterday’s program we talked about a passage in 1st Corinthians 11 that turned me on to the healing power in communion. This is found in 1st Corinthians 11:29 and 30, “For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.” Now I was raised in churches and we were told that if we partook of the communion elements with any hidden or unconfessed sin in our life we would be eating and drinking damnation to ourselves from this verse of scripture that I just read. Now when we analyze the verse of scripture this is not what Paul says at all. “For he (he is a pronoun the subject to the sentence) that eateth and drinketh (eat and drink are verbs) unworthily (unworthily is an adverb; an adverb describes a verb it doesn’t describe a pronoun). So what Paul was saying is “The person that was taking communion was not unworthy but he was partaking in an unworthily manner.” All of us are unworthy it’s only the application of the blood of Jesus to our life that makes us worthy. So the communion table is where an unworthy person should go, but Paul explains in the next part of the verse what eating and drinking unworthily is, not discerning the Lord’s body. The emphasis has been on the cup which is the blood for forgiveness of sins, but we should have an emphasis also on the bread to put us in remembrance that bread represents the body of Christ that took our infirmities and bore our sicknesses and by His stripes we were healed. So…
Sid: You know I’ve always been told when I read that discerning the Lord’s body was really how are we treating our brothers and sisters in the Lord and to do tremendous soul searching before communion if we have anything we need to repent over. That is included in it or not?
John: No that’s not what you said is true. I also heard it taught that not discerning the Lord’s body in it and now if I’m way over weight and God gives you a word to tell me if I don’t stop eating so much I’m going to die. And I don’t listen to you when God gave you a word for me that’s not discerning the Lord’s body. Well all those things are true and they all operate in the body but it’s very clearly not what Paul is talking about here he is talking about taking communion. He’s talking about eating the Lord’s body.
Sid: And what happens if we don’t understand what we’re doing that’s verse 30 for this reason many among you are weak and sick and a number sleep, or die.
John: In this world from the time that Adam sinned not only sin came into the world but sickness came into the world. Let me hitchhike on that a moment. I used to feel that about 50% of diseases were demonic because in the gospels there were 19 individuals like blind Bartimaeus, the woman with the blood issue, the woman that was bent double for 18 years. Out of 19 individuals that are listed in the gospels that were healed 11 of them were healed by casting out a spirit of infirmity that’s a little over half. Recently God showed me the meaning of Acts 10:38 that says “How Jesus was anointed with Holy Ghost and power and went around doing good and healing ALL that were oppressed of the devil.” Now first looking at that verse of scripture you would think that in Jesus’ 3 ½ years of ministry he went around healed everybody that the devil had oppressed. But we know that’s not true because it says “In His own home town He could there do mighty works because of their unbelief.” So he didn’t get to heal people that the devil had oppressed in his own town. So what it means is that everyone that Jesus healed in some way was oppressed of the devil. So the people that Paul was writing to in this church were getting weak, sick and dying because of the degenerate state that man had fallen to. Everything that you eat, everything that you breath, everything that you drink has harmful chemicals in it that come against the body. We’re constantly being bombarded with different radiations, with different pollutants that cause illness. And what Paul’s saying here is that when you come to the table and do not discern the Lord’s body, when you eat that bread you do not realize that that’s the Lord’s body which took your infirmities and bore your sicknesses, then you will remain sick and die prematurely.
Sid: Answer this question “Why on many religious Christian television networks and religious television shows, do they spend more time on vitamins and alternative medicine than they do on what you’re teaching?
John: I for 15 years had the largest nutritional clinic in Hillsburg County. I made my living as a nutritionist. God views our looking to nutrition as idolatry and here’s why. It’s…
Sid: You don’t mind stepping on people’s toes do you? (Laughing) You just did on every one of our listeners but go ahead.
John: Well every nutritional program that’s taught on the Christian airways…
Sid: But wait a second there’d be a lot of Christian’s dead without some of this nutrition.
John: They are going to be dead anyway. See the nutrition is not going to stop what we’re getting ready to face.
John: It’s not going to heal smallpox and keep you from anthrax and all kind of biochemical warfare. I heard Jesse Dupantis say the other day he read an article that said “If you eat right you’ll only live like 3 months longer than if you eat wrong so I’m going to die with a fat chicken leg.” (Laughing)
John: But it’s hard for Satan to get a good man with good intentions off on something bad, but it’s easier for Satan to get a good man with good intentions off on something good but it’s still off.
Sid: Okay but why are we doing it off?
John: Because it’s Satan’s plan to cover-up everything that Jesus did for us at Calvary. That’s been his mode of operation all through history. Now the nutritional programs on Christian television all quote Old Testament verses and it’s true in the Old Testament God did give nutritional laws “Only eat the split hoof that chews the cud” which is the cow, sheep, the goat, the pig is a split hoof but doesn’t chew the cud. A cow converts what he eats in the flesh in 4 hours that fast chemical conversion gives off waste products. A pig has tubes that run down the legs that empty out behind the hoof that is drip this toxicity. You can take a prize hog take him to the State fair and put him on dry sawdust feed him nothing but top grain corn and in 2 days that place is wet and stinking because what he eats is converted into flesh in 4 hours; it takes the cow 24 hours. So they handle the toxicities in them that’s why God told the people don’t eat the pig because they’re full of toxins. He said only eat the things from the sea that has scales, the fish swim around the ocean they poop their fecal material down on the bottom and the crabs, the lobsters, the oysters, the shrimp they come and eat them. If you have a fish aquarium you put pretty little tropical fish in it but you also put catfish and snails in it because the pretty tropical fish eat the fish food, and the catfish and the snails eat the fecal matter that form that drop on the bottom.
Sid: But hey let’s just get even further than that forget the things that you’re talking about most meat that is eaten chicken poultry has got so many pollutants in it it’s as bad as what the Bible talks about in pork.
Sid: But you know what we’re out of time Mishpochah we’re going pick up right here on tomorrow broadcast.