SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. What you do with Jesus determines where you spend eternity. Many know this. Most know this. But what you do with this little temporary thing called life now determines how you spend eternity. There is something that is a mystery that should not be a mystery. It’s called Academy Rewards, not Awards, Academy Rewards Night, or the believer’s judgment. Imperative, you understand it, and you are about to know the truth. I have to tell you, I’ve been looking so forward to talking with John Bevere. Every believer understands that if they repent and believe in Jesus they’re going to go to Heaven.
SID: But the most misunderstood thing is this thing called the believer’s judgment. Explain that.
JOHN: Well first of all, it’s an elementary doctrine, elementary teaching of Jesus Christ. Hebrews, Chapter 6 tells us that. Now what do you get in elementary school? How to read, write, add or subtract. Can you imagine building your college education not knowing how to read, write, add or subtract?
SID: It would be difficult.
JOHN: It would be really difficult. Well we’re trying to build our Christian lives without an elementary teaching of Jesus Christ. It’s called the judgment seat of Christ and that is where Jesus will examine us as believers. Now we will not be judged for our sins because the blood of Jesus has eradicated sin. We’re going to be judged by how we lived this life as believers. Paul, writing to the Corinthian church said this, he said, “We make it our goal whether present or absent.” So we know he’s talking to believers because an unbeliever, when they’re absent from the body, they’re not present with the Lord. So he’s talking only to believers. He said, “We make it our goal whether present or absent, to be well pleasing unto him.” Because we are all going to stand before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may give an account of the things he’s done in the body, whether good or bad. This is Second Corinthians 5:9-10. So all of us believers, Jesus is going to stand before us and he’s going to examine our lives. Now when people hear judgment they get really scared, Sid, because what they think of is they think of condemnation. However, the Greek word for judgment, 90 percent of the time it appears in the New Testament, is the Greek word “krino”, which simply means a decision resulting from an investigation. So an investigation is going to be made and he’s going to make decisions over our life. Now they’re called eternal judgments, so let’s substitute decision for judgment. They’re going to be eternal decisions. So in other words, once he—
SID: Now wait, eternal decision means no point of reversal.
JOHN: There will be no alterations, no changes, no revising. They will stand forever. So and this is what’s really amazing. First Corinthians 4:5 tells us not only is he going to judge our works and our words, he’s going to judge our motives, the secret motives of our heart and our thoughts. He’s going to exam it all and that which we have built on, if it is eternal we’ll receive rewards. If we built our lives on the temporal, we will suffer the loss of getting rewards. And so what that tells me is this. What we do with the cross determines where we’re going to spend eternity, Heaven or Hell. Most Christians know that. However, the way we live as believers determines how we’re going to spend all eternity. That’s riveting.
SID: As a brand new Jewish believer in the Messiah, John, I had a dream that I think about often. It was a dream from God and in this dream it was, now don’t laugh, it was, I call the dream Academy Rewards, not Awards, Academy Rewards Night because that’s where I was. I was at Academy Rewards Night in Heaven and there’s a big crowded auditorium. And you know like they have at Academy Awards Night they have a big envelope and someone rips it open. And the winner is, I was so full of myself, John, as a brand new believer. I came into the charismatic movement. I was a disciple. What do you expect? And they made a big deal out of me because Jewish believers were not that many at the time I became a believer. Now I was seated there and there was a very old woman. I happened to notice her, John. Little old woman, tiny, seated in the front row. And I am sure my name is coming out on that thing.
Man: You’re not going to believe this. Elizabeth!
SID: And guess who won? That little old lady. How could she win?
SID: And then I heard a voice and it was the voice of God. And this is what God said to me: That could have been you.”
JOHN: I believe that.
SID: That’s a sobering thing and my life is driven by eternity because of that.
JOHN: It has. It has to be. I was just down in Brazil and I was speaking to 14,000 pastors and leaders in this auditorium. And the passion of these people was mind blowing. Well the next day I’m out at lunch with the senior leaders of this organization and the first riveting thing that I heard was that there was over 300,000 people in their churches.
Male Pastor: We have over 300,000 people in our churches.
JOHN: Wow that’s amazing.
Male Pastor: Yes, we started over 16 years ago with just one family.
JOHN: Wait a minute. Sixteen years and you have over 300,000 people in your churches?
Female Pastor: Yes, that’s right.
JOHN: How do you build churches, over 300,000 in them, in 16 years?
Male Pastor: We teach our believers about eternal rewards and eternal judgment. John, I’ve been to America. You Americans do not teach on this. Because of this, you in America only have a 70 to 80-year perspective. We have an eternal perspective.
JOHN: Sid, when you have an eternal perspective, when you realize how you’re living your life now determines the quality of life you’re going to have forever and ever in Heaven, you’re going to endure things you wouldn’t necessarily endure. You’re going to see things differently. Your vision is going to be different. You’re going to pursue things you wouldn’t necessarily pursue because James writes in his book, he says, “This life is a vapor.” James 4:14. If James was alive I do not believe he would have written it that way. I believe he would have said, if he was alive today, he would have written, “This life is zero.” What we do in this zero time determines how we’re going to spend eternity.
SID: How are you going to spend eternity? You will be amazed what rewards are based on. It’s different than what you think. We’ll talk about that when we come back.
Sid: I have an African from Uganda his name is Apostle Ronald Ssali. And some of the things that he has seen and done are on the same level as what we read about in the book of Acts. And on yesterday’s broadcast I’ll get a lot of people upset with me Ronnie if I don’t go back to this story. You were praying in unknown tongues and you got a witch upset with you because they literally as you explained from people that have come out of witchcraft in Africa they can see the flames of fire and in Africa they can see the flames of fire of the Holy Spirit over you. So they went after you and you had a vision or a word from God that this was going to happen then all of a sudden suddenly you saw a witch floating in the air going after you. Did this person look like a witch?
Ronnie: Yeah this person was looking like this type of witches because these type of witches what they do they just wear… they move around in the late hours when this forces come on them when they’re doing their enchantment and they doing all of their ditches in the night you know. Some of them are nude…now this witch was completely nude and was floating up in up off of the ground like 5 feet was ready to come and catch and take me for cannibal you know.
Sid: And cannibalize you.
Ronnie: Yea cannibalize me you know and eat me up. And I remember this was a real battle this was between death and life. You have to know how to trust in God and to release His fire and power to consume the devil. Then I remembered that Christ in me is greater than the devil that is in this witch. And even if you’re floating 5 foot from the ground that does not…that does not scare me because Christ is greater than this witch that was floating using demonic power. So I stretched my hand…now as I’m stretching my hand my body is feeling the demonic power trying to kill me you know suffocating and making me lose balance. I stretched my hand and I said “In the name of Jesus!” I was so violent the sound…the voice of my role was so loud that I mean it took literally shed…I mean it was so strong that I roared “In the name of Jesus change your direction now!” This witch fell down and ran; took the opposite direction and ran for life.
Sid: You can’t be afraid of the devil or the demonic when you see that type of power in the name of Jesus can you?
Ronnie: I’ve seen the type of power that kept from death, you cannot be afraid of the devil because the devil. He does he vanishes flees running in fear; they vanish from the power of Jesus. When you say you’re praying in the name of Jesus and you’re dealing with the situation believe because when you pray things happen in the spirit.
Sid: Now I want to understand how you got to be such a powerful vessel of the Lord. When you were 13 years of age you heard the auditable voice of God what happened?
Ronnie: Yes, I remember I was in Uganda Church and this was in Uganda and it was in the church in Buwenge. And it was around the afternoon and I was walking just alone in the streets and just a few people because that at that moment the weather was too hot and many people were walking around. So I was walking so there was people was scattering on this road I was walking through this side road. I mean then the bush on this side and the bush on the other side kind of jungle and I was going to church. And I heard a voice calling my name “Ronnie!” Now people called me Ronald but at home they called me Ronnie that’s my called name you know they call me Ronnie. So for someone to call me that name must be either staying in the house or call and a letter to us but this voice. This voice I never heard a voice like this before and I’ve never had the peace that was coming in this voice, the peace, the almighty spender of the Holy Spirit, the power and it was coming from above from every corner. I mean the voice of the Almighty is coming from every corner so I didn’t know where to go. Because I thought maybe I should go this way; I should go where ever the voice was coming from. And He called me again “Ronnie!” And I didn’t answer because I was afraid you know because of I was still 13 years of age you know and not so much in the things of God but I was still so thirsty and hungry for God I was still getting know God.
Sid: A few years later you had quite an experience with the Holy Spirit and then miracles started happening. Tell me what happened in 1990 with the Holy Spirit.
Ronnie: Now I remember yes after that voice called me and I went in 1990 I began to seek God because the I told Him “You call me last time but now I’m ready to answer You now I’m ready to answer…
Sid: So God will give you a second chance.
Ronnie: Definitely give you a second chance, God is very good that’s why no one can be like God because He says “Return to Me and I’ll return to you.” So now this time I was desperate; I said “Lord I want You I’m desperate for You fill Your Holy Spirit” and this was 1990. And things happened and the Holy Spirit come upon me immediately things turned around. I had the experience the miracles in action.
Sid: When Holy Spirit came on you describe what occurred?
Ronnie: When the Holy Spirit came on me there was a preacher who had come from Congo and he was preaching about the Holy Spirit. He said “Do you understand the Holy Spirit, come forward and I’ll pray for you.” So we went forward and he laid hands on me; I remember saying “Father this is the promise that You promised to me.” You know I didn’t care about others I was focused. God deals with the individuals He doesn’t deal with the multitudes; He healed individuals. I said “Now I want my portion” I said “Seriously I must receive the Holy Spirit today.” So this man laid hands on me and prayed, immediately the presence of God came upon me in a strange way and the peace came, the river began to flow out I began to speak in a heavenly language.
Sid: How did you feel?
Ronnie: Oh it felt so peaceful, it feels so wonderful, it feels so tremendous. You feel peace, you feel joy.
Sid: You said a river what do you mean by that?
Ronnie: A river is deep in your heart it feels your floating you know. You’re not in dry place you begin to feel like you’re swimming in a river you know. The passion you feel, the joy you feel you know, the presence of…something is deeply unexplainable but it’s just like you’re floating in a river you’re swimming in a river you know.
Sid: That’s when the real passion for the Lord started in your life isn’t that right?
Ronnie: Yeah that‘s when the real passion started in my life and from that time never quaint, never be quaint.
Sid: Now you started seeing miracles; tell me about a few you saw after that time.
Ronnie: That was a time I remember we went to a crusade and this crusade and the pastor preached. And one day of this crusade which was a Saturday he never came to pray because he had left the nation and was going to another nation and the pastor didn’t come. And I was new in this ministry so there was no one to preach and the people who come to the crusade to receive miracles and healing and salvation. So I stood up on this crusade and began to preach, I preached a sermon for about 10 minutes upon Jesus there was so many Hallelujah’s but I kept on saying Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever and He performs miracles yesterday, performed today and performs them forever. He’s saved me yesterday, today, He’s saved me forever.” I just kept on repeating myself and saying hallelujah. You know when you’re nervous you speak to the crowd and taught them about power and miracles and you’ll never see this thing before that came upon me. So…but I was so much confident in God because of the Holy Spirit that I didn’t look at the excellence of my speech but I looked at the power that was going to be demonstrated. And faith was leaping out me because the fear of God convicted them. Then a altar was set to come forward, they come forward and I laid hands on them. One lady had bad vision she would see only see one finger and then she was healed. One man had had a powerless arm and it was healed, another one had a deaf ear it was healed. Many miracles kept happening like that.
Sid: You have so much faith and it’s almost a childlike faith I imagine it is a gift of God and yet is there anything that we can do to develop our faith like you’ve developed your faith?
The first thing we need to do is to learn how to yield to the Holy Spirit. Many times when you want to move in the power of God you have to yield in the Holy Spirit because it’s the way that you can stir up your faith.
The 2nd thing is when you pray for somebody let not your mind say “What if she’s not healed what will happen to me?”
Because that always comes to your mind “What if he’s not healed? What will happen if I’d be ashamed? This is what you shall say
“What if he’s healed then God will take the glory.
Because when you pray you are submitting the situation to God and allowing Him to come in and move inside that person. So it is not your strength but the strength that cometh and relieve by faith in Jesus. That’s the only you can increase your level faith by knowing that when you pray something must happen. Because the Bible says “Ask and you shall receive, seek you shall find and knock and you shall open.”
Sid: Do you see as many prayers for people when you pray in America as you do in Africa; as many answers to prayer?
Ronnie: Oh praise the Lord and a very good question. What I’m going to say is that yes but not as in Africa because in Africa it happened so massively because… I can’t count them I can’t even tell that some of them there’s so many that you don’t even get to know until maybe when you leave and you come back for another crusade you know. It happens so many happening there houses which are near where you’re preaching because of how people respond. In America they do happen but I mean yes there’s a lot of teaching and a lot of explanation and then you have to waste time.
Sid: Now Ronnie we’re going to have some miracles this week I can tell you he moves in very specific words of knowledge. And I’m going to cut him loose sometime during this week and watch out devil!
Sid: You that are suffering from depression right now you spirit of depression your days, your moments, your hours, your minutes are numbered because the anointing of God is going to be so strong on this week’s broadcast. I have on the telephone Ronald Ssali. Ronald is an Apostle he started 13 churches. He’s originally from Uganda, Africa I caught up with him in Minniapolis, Minnesota. And Ronnie you really prayed for someone who grew 5 inches? Tell me about that.
Ronnie: Well praise the Lord Sid I want to testify about His greatness. This happened in Africa in Nairobi, Kenya and this was in 1999 when the power of God was moving very strongly and the revivals that I was holding in the seat of Nairobi. When a young lady or somebody came unto the service and was among the people who had come to receive and experience, a move of God. By the word of knowledge God told me that there was a lady who somebody was praying that she grows taller than what she is because she was not comfortable the way she was. And she’d been asking me for this for a long time that she wanted Me to make her taller and I’m ready to do that now. At first I said “Lord” I said to my mind you see my mind was saying “Well that’s most unusual what are you talking about” because of the wonderful morning so I just obeyed the Holy Spirit and I called up this person. And she came forward and that her friend was taller than her and I called them both forward. And I said you know you how many… and I told the people that we’re going to pray for this lady right now because God has told me to pray for her to grow taller. And she’s going to grow and she’s going to be even taller than her friend and the place was all shocked. Then I laid hands on her and she went down in the power of the Holy Spirit and her legs began to grow, her arms began to pull out, her neck, her shoulders, everything.
Sid: We’re you watching this happen?
Ronnie: Yes, I was watching this and people were screaming and shouting “Glory to Jesus!” With so much excitement and power of God they couldn’t express it with their mouth, they couldn’t express it with their words they were in shock at the way that the lady was growing! And the excitement was too much that I was shocked myself. I was saying “My goodness I thought I knew You Lord but You are more than what I knew.” And you know what they said?
Sid: What’s that?
Ronnie: After this lady after the power of God finished growing her taller, I told her I took a picture of her. I stood her up and she was taller than the lady that she came with in the meeting. She was taller than her and that was very shocking that everybody was scared, you know what I mean, but the fear of the Lord was restored in the people. You know when God moves in a tremendous way the fear of the Lord comes to the people. And we were all worshipping Jesus. And when she went back home her mother said “Is this my daughter?” And she said “Yes I am your daughter.” And the mother said “What happened to you?” She said “I was praying for.” The next day they had to go out and buy new clothes for her, she’s called Jen.
Sid: They had to buy new clothes for her?~
Ronnie: Yeah, they had to go out and buy new clothes because the others wouldn’t fit her.
Sid: (Laughing) Ronnie tell me before we went on the air you told me some outrageous things; you told me that literally the markings of people’s body, tattoos, things like this just totally disappear when you pray. Tell me about that.
Ronnie: Oh yes they disappear. See when the power of God begins to move one of the things I’ve decided to do is to minister in the power…
Sid: People with scars they even get removed?
Ronnie: Yes, yes when I pray for people I don’t limit God I just allow Him to move as much as He wants. Now I began to explain this in Africa when I was praying for people who had markings and scars to disappear you know from their bodies. Prayed for them and scars would disappear when they were all operated you know, and all their marks would disappear from the area where they operated and even the markings and now their tattoos also disappear when I pray in the name of Jesus. Somebody wants it to go I pray for it to disappear in Jesus name. Because He said; He said “That which is demonic on somebody” He said “The devil has been cast out and it comes out of their mouth to go.”
Sid: Now I’ve got a list of some experiences that you’ve had that sounds almost like the Bible. For instance you were trapped…you were driving on the interstate and you were kind of trapped between 4 semi-tailor trucks that they had like an accident. Tell me about that.
Ronnie: Oh yes this was in London I was driving on the interstate and I meant I was coming to the interstate and I came from this small road that I don’t know what you call it but in London we call them side roads I don’t how you call them here.
Sid: That’s good enough (Laughing.)
Ronnie: So I was coming home on the side road from the home the house that I was planting into the interstate. And so when I came the enemy attacked me and I just moved into the road without taking precaution that semi-trucks huge ones like the ones in America. There was 4 driving, it was late in the night and they were pursuing tailgating you know and there were 4. Now I drove straight into the road into the semi-trucks and now there is no way that my small car that I was driving across this road and get to the other side of the road; the last lane to change and go where I was going because I was just crossing the road during the interstate. So what I did is that I drove right into now…to me I thought this was my death day I thought I was going to die because I mean I saw these semi-truck just a few inches from me and I didn’t know what to do. But you see what happened Sid the Holy Spirit translated my car in that process. God’s power translated my car that I was in the other side of the road and this thing missed me by must inches.
Sid: You’re telling me that that little car of yours was translated to the other side of the road?
Ronnie: Translated to the other side and I took 4 hours to get back to my senses.
Sid: Ah! Listen it’s a miracle you were alive and if you hadn’t been translated I wouldn’t be speaking to you right now.
Ronnie: You wouldn’t have been speaking to me. I mean God is God is present He’s the same yesterday, today and forever. As He saw it in His Spirit He came up to me in my small little car with didn’t even have an airbag in it though. Airbags the Lord saved me from the source of my car He took me 4 hours to get back to I mean I was so much astonished I called everybody called and told them “God has saved them from death.” All of them was shocked and I was just praising the Lord and I testify about that for weeks and weeks because of God saving me from death.
Sid: Now people from Africa have had a lot of experiences that we in the west haven’t had with witch doctors and witches and the demonic realms. There was one time where a witch wanted to kill you and you got a warning from God about it explain that to me.
Ronnie: Yes you know in Africa we have a lot of these experiences you know like the witches and wizards and they just want to maintain control over their territory. So when you begin to pray in the Spirit you disturb them so they try to confront you they always do attacks like that now. And I was praying…
Sid: They realize that it’s you that’s praying in the Spirit against them…
Sid: And they come after you.
Ronnie: Yeah they realize that you’re praying you know because whenever you’re praying you begin to connect with heaven and now the prayers of God begins to make demons feel uncomfortable so…And then the witch when he tries to call the spirits to come they can’t come because they see fire in the areas. So the demons tell that if this person so they can tell if this person comes…
Sid: So say they can see like flames of the Holy Spirit over the person who’s praying.
Ronnie: Yeah they see flames.
Ronnie: They see flames because I mean God is to me a wall of fire so they see flames, sometimes they see the reign of righteousness reigning down but many times they see the flames you know. I’m talking about most of the witches…and most of the witches have been delivered from witchcraft and they have been born again. They’ve always said that that’s what they used to see when they’re fighting faith they’ll see fire around them come against with fire.
Sid: Praise God for the fire! (Laughing)
Ronnie: They’ll see and I was walking the Lord told me that by His Spirit I was going to meet this witch. Now these witches in this area of Uganda and this is how they do their thing. They cast a spell on you that make you and the demonic stupid and then they draw them with that demonic power and then they take you following them. We just go following them and we follow them to where they want to take you then they butcher and they cannibal you. Because they’re being what I call sacrifice blood, then they do cannibal because…
Ronnie: Because some of the guys who eats human flesh.
Sid: So that still goes on today?
Ronnie: Yes it goes on in Africa I mean there’s some voodoo…
Ronnie: It goes on.
Sid: So you are doing your prayer walk and you were praying.
Ronnie: Okay this week they come to take me to cannibalize me you know.
Ronnie: And then the Lord told me that the witch was coming to attack me. So I don’t know I was walking down the area where I knew in my spirit you know the Spirit of God reveals to us and new way exactly I was going to find this trouble. And the moment I reached the area I saw someone was standing floating up in the sky.
Sid: Floating in the sky?
Ronnie: Yeah, floating yeah floating like.
Ronnie: Like floating 5foot you know above the ground and standing there and looking at me staring at me and this was in the dark. And there was a moon but the moon it was not the kind of moon you know in Africa some areas don’t have street lights so you only have the moon light you know.
Ronnie: So this was where there was no street lights. And it was there in the night so then this being this human being this witch began to come towards me and I lose my head and there was an evil presence coming at me you know making me lose balance you know. The demonic presence was trying to come and do magic on me you know.
Sid: Yes to kill you.
Ronnie: I remember the scripture saying that “I look unto the hills, where does my help come from; my help comes from the creator of heaven and earth.” And I lookup up and I said “In the name of Jesus,” now I pointed my hand towards this witch but I was not looking at him I was looking at the Jesus in me. Because if I looked at this witch I would have been afraid you know.
Ronnie: But I looked at the Jesus in me; this is one of the things that I always advise people when you’re confronting any situation is such an emergency don’t look at the situation look at the God…
Sid: Ronnie I hate to do this to our Mishpochah we’ll pick up on this story tomorrow.
Sid: I have a man that just supernaturally stumbled into a principal that has revolutionized his life and so is yours about read to be changed because some of you are crying out and praying to God and saying “God I know that there’s got to be more.” Gary Carpenter in the early 1990’s began praying in tongues for a long period of time. He was truck driver before that and his training was an engineer. Ten hours a day he started praying in tongues and God began speaking to him and called him into his own ministry. And the thing that I think is so fantastic is and God doesn’t call everyone to walk this walk but Gary doesn’t even ask money for the cassette that he gives away he gives away. He doesn’t tell people when he has personal needs. He was $25,000 in debt and once he got a revelation on finance in a few months it was totally wiped out. And he started his ministry with $10 and a 20 year old tape recorder and you don’t tell people your needs. For instance one day you needed a better duplicator but you didn’t have one what happened?
Gary: Well the first thing that has really been the foundation for how to get things when you need them in other words Jesus calls you to do something you’re going to need things to do it with. And the first thing that I always go to is where Jesus said in the Gospel of John “Whatsoever you ask the Father in My Name He will give you.” I take that extremely literally. Well we had that old tape recorder and it’s the kind that what they call “High speed dubbing.” Which is a joke because what that means is double speed if you have a 90 minute tape you high speed dub it it takes 45 minutes to make every copy.
Sid: You can’t make that many in a day.
Gary: Huh it got to be even when we just had to be like 15 tapes a week to do it became almost like a full time job in between mowing the lawn and doing whatever else needed to be done. And we’re always flipping tapes over and making copies of things. Well we needed a high a real high speed duplicator I did my homework I got my prices I found a brand that was a 3 to 1 that would make 3 copies in about 4 minutes. And it seemed to be the best price the problem was with tax included it cost about $1050. It might as well have been a million at that time. We had no idea how to get that kind of money plus the Lord had told us not to tell anybody what we needed. So we went to that verses and said “Father Jesus said that if we had a need if we ask You for it in His name that You will give it to us.” “Father we’re asking You for one of these high speed tapes duplicators and the model. And according…” and now this is where the real faith movement comes in “Mark 11:24 we believe that we receive.” Right then when we pray and every day we thank Him for it even though in the natural we couldn’t see it. We didn’t tell anybody else about the prayer, didn’t tell anybody but God. Within a short time I’m thinking less than 2 weeks if I remember correctly somebody walked up to us and handed us an envelope and just said “This is for your ministry.” We open the envelope after they left you know we try to be discreet. Well there was 10 $100 bills in the envelope and at that point we had nothing in our account we had $50 dollars we put that $50 dollars with the $1000 and we went and we bought the tape duplicator. That’s how we received everything from the Lord He either sends the thing directly or He’ll send the money to buy it.
Sid: Alright quickly you needed a backup printer you prayed at 7:00 in the morning for the printer what happened?
Gary: This still an in creditable thing we only had one printer and I had to have it worked on and I found out it was going to be in the shop for a while I thought that I could stand and wait. (Laughing) Well we were almost shutdown during that time we couldn’t send any letters of anything. So I asked the Lord at 7:00 in the morning for a backup printer. And I had it that “Lord since I need a printer any way this one be a laser printer, we believe that we believe we receive when we pray in Jesus Name Amen.” Now that was 7:00 in the morning. We didn’t tell a soul nobody, no human being on earth about that payer or about the need. At 2:00 in the afternoon there’s a knock on my door there was a man standing there holding some kind of electoral equipment underneath his arm it’s a big bulky item come to find out it’s a used but recently reconditioned laser printer. And my mouth dropped open as you can image and I’m looking at him with questioning eyes I don’t think I even spoke I could hardly say anything. And he looked at me and he said “The Lord says this belongs to you.”
Sid: But there was a point where you would pray based on a scripture of truth and not have results.
Gary: And the reason this is what Dave was trying to tell us in the beginning. The faith message the word of faith message is true but only when it’s coupled with the true leadership of the Holy Spirit. We are on this earth to serve Jesus and not the other way around and the thing that I appreciate so much about praying in other tongues the Holy Spirit will bring you into intimate fellowship with the Lord. You’ll start hearing His voice, you’ll start knowing what He wants you to do on this earth and that’s what Matthew 6:33 is all about. “Seek ye first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness and then all of these things shall be added unto you.”
Sid: Now that’s you what about people and I’ve got a stack of comments from people that have studied your teaching and followed it. Tell me one story about the man with the gold.
Gary: Well this friend of mine began hearing the tapes and like me he became convinced that the message was true and he began spending a lot of time praying in other tongues. Sure enough the Lord started letting him know what his ministry was. There are certain people that are called to make a lot of money for the Kingdom. In Roman’s 12 it talks about he that giveth give with simplicity. Well this man began to pray and seek the mind of the Lord and he understood his call. And sure enough one day the Holy Spirit came to him and just told him that gold prices in the commodities market was going to $325 and told him what month it would go there which was December of that year. Well this man he began buying gold option ahead of time which he could buy very cheap and the end result of that enterprise was he turned about $3000 worth of gold options to over $80,000 worth a profit in just a few months. Now the thing of it is by spending all of that time in fellowship with the Lord his desires the desire of his heart changed. The desire of his heart now was to fulfill his call and his call is to make a lot of money for the Kingdom to finance revivals and anything else the Lord wants to do with that money.
Sid: Out of curiosity this specific how much does he give to the Lord of what he makes?
Gary: Well in that particular case he gave all of it because that was the desire of his heart that he understood the difference between his provision and the Lords talent. In Luke in what we call the parable of the pound where the Lord came and gave each man a pound and he went and traded and got increase when the reckoning came the man would say to him the words die pound, notice he said die pound have gained 10 pounds. Another one said to him die pound has gained 5 pounds. These men understood that they were called to take a certain amount of money and increase it but that increase was not for their use that increase was the Lord’s.
Sid: So Gary what is the best way for us to prosper?
Gary: The only way I found to prosper is whatever He says to you do it. Everything hinges in finding out His call for your life.
Sid: But most of us aren’t in the position for even hearing what to do to do it. So we have to go back to the way we started this week about praying in unknown tongues.
Gary: And that’s really the foundation it’s available to every believer and it’s difficult in the beginning if they do that in a long term basis but it becomes second nature to you you do it all the time. And the more you do it you just hear Him better you’re intimacy with Him is closer you begin to understand what He want you to do in this life for the Kingdom. And not everyone’s called into full time ministry he has a call for every single person in the body. To some it’s to raise Godly children but everything in the world as you hear Him and understand what He wants and obey Him you’re safety is on that path, your prosperity is on that path, everything you need for equipment or anything else is on that path.
Sid: Has He given you any insight into what’s going to happen economically to this country and how close His return is?
Gary: Oh I don’t know so much about how close His return is I do know that He has told me that there is some very difficult times coming for the United States financially. And that it’s going to be very important that the people of God know how to hear Him and how to obey Him and how to follow the leadership of His Spirit because He’s going to use us during that time to bring in a large harvest of souls to the Kingdom.
Sid: And I also believe and I know that there will be a wealth transfer to God’s Kingdom.
Gary: Well the Bible talks about it from times of old that the wealth of the wicked is laid up for the just. The Lord says “The gold is mine, the silver is mine…
Sid: I have a book that I believe is going to so simplify you sharing the Messiah with Jewish people. This book although there’s some fabulously deep things in it most people that read it say it is extremely reader friendly. The name of the book “The End of History Messiah Conspiracy” absolutely proves that there was a conspiracy among the Jewish rabbis to prevent Jewish people from ever knowing that Jesus is the Messiah. It’s been perpetuated even till to today, but we’ve got the goods. It’s God’s time for mercy on Jewish people. It’s God’s time for mercy on the church. Let me tell you something Jesus said “I shall not return until the Jewish people say ‘Baruch haba b’shem Adonai (Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord).” It’s the job of the end time church to be a John the Baptist if you will to prepare the way for the return of the Messiah and how best can you do it, well at the fullness of the Gentile age I’ll give you a clue Romans 11:11 “Salvation has come to the Gentiles to provoke the Jewish people to jealousy.” You said “God what is my call?” I say “Read the last part of Romans 11:11 “Salvation has come to you for such a time as this to provoke Jewish people to jealousy.” Philip Moore I have him on the telephone I’m speaking to him at his office in Atlanta, Georgia. I’ve got his book in my hand, we’ve got a supply of them we’re ready to send them out to you. I mean you have… I just don’t know where to begin and to stop with this information most people have never seen these things. For instance, you have a chapter here on the Dead Sea Scrolls, teach a little bit from that Philip.
Philip: Well one of the most interesting findings I think was to verify our belief that a very astute scholar named Norman Golb just wrote a book called “Who Wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls.” In there he points out that it was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls at Qumran that Judaism of that time believed in the Son of God Messiah. Now if… I have a book of Gerald Sigal who wrote “The Jew and the Christian Missionary” who attempts to refute Jews for Jesus, Messianic Jews, Evangelical Christian, and their beliefs of the prophecies. He says in there that is a Greco-Pagan type of belief that is not within Judaism. Of course his book is 14 years older but never the less the fact that Dr. Golb verified these points shows us that what the New Testament teaches isn’t pagan but Jewish. It’s not out of line with what the rabbis should believe or the Jewish people, and its support that Jesus is who He says He was.
Sid: You have some very interesting things about China in the book and about the former Soviet Union, especially the KGB. Amplify a little bit on that.
Philip: Well in chapter 2… chapter 19 is about Russia and chapter 2 is about why we’re on planet earth. One of the biggest questions especially a rabbi and today will ask is “Well if Jesus is the Messiah why didn’t He bring peace?” He said… that was very interesting I was just thinking of it when you were announcing the program. Jesus said “You will not see me until you say ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.’” This is what He told… until He is nationally received. The first time He was rejected, but until He is nationally received by the majority of his people Israel there won’t be any peace. When the Messiah comes there will indeed be peace. We believe because He was rejected the first time that’s why there’s no peace. In chapter 3 I mention that the ancient rabbinical Judaism, and I prove I believe, that they believed in 2 comings of the Messiah. That He would come once to suffer and the second time to bring peace…
Sid: Yes but today I was raised in a traditional Jewish synagogue I tell you there is no mention of what the Talmud says about the 2 comings of the Messiah, or 2 Messiahs. There’s no mention of it, why is it?
Philip: Well I believe they want to dissuade a belief in Jesus and try to say that it is not Jewish when it certainly is. The second coming of Jesus will be to bring peace and stop war because look what’s happening now. I mean the predictions in the Bible about bringing peace have to do with bringing peace in a world that’s so so war struck it’s awesome. I mean today we have nuclear weapons. Yevgenia Albats I quote her wrote a book called “A State within a State” that the KGB, she wrote it in ’94 when everybody was saying the KGB is gone, she said “It never left it will resurface.” I quote Tom Gerald when he did a 20/20…
Sid: What do you mean resurface? It’s not going to resurface it already exists they traded in their spy uniform for business suits (laughing).
Philip: Right. Actually that’s more or less what she said, but a lot of people were saying “The KGB is all being neutralized. Russia’s going to be…” not many people know there was a broadcast not too long ago a 20/20 broadcast where they proved and they found documents that people that had been in Vietnam and Korean war were shipped over to Russia and where working there. They probably were killed in ’90… in ’91 when they were bringing all the “teeth” out and all. But in that broadcast the Russians refused to open certain military files because it proved… they found some but the majority of them they wouldn’t let them open because it would show how many of our men were anomalously buried under tomb stones in Russia and identified. I don’t believe they’ve changed, I wish that they have and that they would. I believe a lot of the people is still there but I believe the government is going to close the gap on the people again and only the return of Yeshua to come and save Israel from a Russian invasion will bring a true peace to this planet. And at that time the rabbis will say “Baruch haba b’shem Adonai (Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord)” and realize who He was.
Sid: But I’m concerned not about that, I’m concerned about those Jewish people that are going to die between today and that day without knowing the Messiah because of the Messiah conspiracy by the rabbis. Philip you have the most amazing information in your book like Gold Meir and Einstein some amazing letters like for instance tell me about this letter on page 500 of your book.
Philip: Well that’s a letter that Einstein wrote to Professor Winter it’s in… he really wanted these Newton papers it was in December of 1940 to be made public.
Sid: What do you mean, what Newton papers?
Philip: The religious papers he believed it show how the unique workings of the scientific genius of Newton could be traced to his beliefs and religion and the Bible. He was so fascinated he wrote Harvard, Yale, I mean nobody would receive these papers.
Sid: In other words Einstein wrote Harvard and Yale to get the information on Newton?
Philip: There are letters in the Yehuda collection that indicate that show how these writings were being politely turned down. I saw them myself…
Sid: What was the motivation to turn them down?
Philip: Well a lot of people for years just thought they were a pile of junk. Professor Popkin has done such a wonderful job on some of his works of UCLA. Professor Popkin had shown how valuable these papers are and that they were turned down but they finally were willed today to Hebrew University in Jerusalem. They are going to be released or they may be as we talk on CD Rom. At the time I was doing this research I had the hardest time to get permission. These Einstein letters I have 2 in here that are unpublished…
Sid: Was Einstein a believer in Messiah?
Philip: I believe he may have very well been…
Sid: Let me read this quote on page 609 of your book by Albert Einstein dated October 26, 1929:
I am a Jew but I am enthralled by the luminous figure of the Nazarene. No one can read the gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life.
Well I’ll tell you something if he wasn’t not too many Christians can talk so lovingly about Jesus like he just did. Page 622 this really gets me Gold Meir. Was she a believer, was she a Messianic Jew?
Philip: Well her doctor Larry Samuels was an evangelical Christian and he would read the scripture and even her family ask him to come and read the scripture to her. He became a very good friend of hers over the last year of her life. I have a letter by Grant Livingstone which shows that at least a friend of Larry Samuels make a statement that she did receive the Messiah Yeshua before she died. Through all of these readings of the prophetical scriptures and realizing how important things are as we all do before we die if we know we’re getting close to that point in our lives.
Sid: Well Philip Moore I want to thank you for being my guest on the Messianic Vision.