Sid: My guest by way of telephone, he’s temporarily in Richmond, Virginia but he lives in Israel, his name is Stan Goodenough; Correspondent Newspaper Journalist South Africa. That God called to the land of Israel with his entire family which includes 5 children under the age of 10. This week we’re doing something special. You know 2000 years ago when the Messiah came to the only acceptable way of knowing God. A traditional Jewish Synagogue and this is what He said. “Look,” (now I’m paraphrasing) “You Jewish people were given the oracles from God; you have the prophets but after all of these years your tradition makes void the power of God can’t you see it? I want to shake you so that you can see it you’ve got all of these layers of tradition that they’re not evil in themselves but they’re getting in the way of intimacy with God, can’t you see this?” I can picture the Messiah saying this in the synagogue in Jerusalem and today if Jesus were to go to not the worst, the best churches in America would he say anything different “Your traditions, your layer upon layer, upon layer and I could go the whole show saying layer.” Your layers of tradition have literally made void the power of God and you wonder why you don’t have intimacy with Me. Well I wrote a book that I believe captures the essence of the last move on planet earth on God’s Spirit which will call for a reformation if you will or a restoration if you will of what the first church looked like. It’s called “The Last Lap.” It covers what’s known as, and I’m Jewish but I have to say it, the Rabbinic Jewish conspiracy. And I happen to be a Christian too, and it covers the Christian conspiracy and then it covers the way God really wants it to be. This is end-time mandatory reading to understand where we are in history and to be part of the next great move of God’s Spirit…. There are unprecedented opportunities available to us in the secular, not the Christian, the secular media, in Israel in the secular media in Russia, in the secular media in Germany. And you say “Sid, why Germany?” Because Germany has over in the last few years over 100,000 Soviet Jews have emigrated there and they’re so open to the gospel. And the only thing limiting us right now; I mean we have opportunities in the United States of America; we have opportunities in Israel. The only thing and it’s a tragedy that I should even have to talk about it I should have to say stop, stop sending us money we can’t spend it as fast as it’s coming in. But I don’t have that luxury, but I believe that where it says in Roman’s 15:27 “For if the Gentiles have been partakers of their…” that’s the Jewish people spiritual things.. “Their duty,” and that’s a strong word. “Their duty is also to minister them in material things.” And what greater material thing is there on the face of this earth, in heaven, anywhere than salvation. He who wins souls is wise; that’s what your money will be poured into. So anything that you can send to help us to get into secular media worldwide and especially the United States of America. This is God’s time to reach Jewish people in the United States of America. As you’re going to find out what’s about ready to happen. I have on the telephone a former newspaper reporter from South Africa but now is doing reporting in Israel with his entire family Stan Goodenough. I’m speaking to him he’s in the states right now in, Richmond, Virginia. Stan on yesterday’s broadcast we were talking about the rage; the anti-Semitism that is rearing up in Europe; that is rearing up in Africa of all places. That is rearing up wherever Muslims are. And it’s interesting that the United States of America and Israel are on the same page. In other words we have the identical enemy; and like it or not we must get rid of that identical enemy. Of course the real enemy is the devil, but we’re talking about radical Islam or should I really say rather than radical Islam I should just say Koranic Islam. Either you’re nominal or you’re you follow the Koran, if you do you’ve got to be in agreement except that your quiet about it here in the states. You’ve got to be in agreement with the teachings of Islam which conquer the world. Now Stan tell me some of the things that have been going on lately that most Americans are ostriches and the Jew in Israel and anti-Semitism.
Stan: I’m glad you pick up on the issue of the Islamic anti-Semitism so it is and it’s growing across the world. And to me a major irony is thatthe religion behind the men who carried out 9/11 more than anything else that religion has benefited from the very attack that these men carried out in the United States. What do I mean? I mean that suddenly here in the United States in fact from that moment on there was an apparent effort to fall over backwards to be sure to be seen not to be condemning Islam. And Muslims were suddenly being treated with great difference…
Sid: Hey, I love our President of the United States but he said a bold face lie and when he does something good I want to say it; but when He lives I want to say it.” He said that “Islam is a peace loving religion.” And then several ministers were bold enough to say “Wait a second that’s not true and then they had to back off and they said “Well, our thing isn’t really politics.” But someone somewhere has to tell the truth.
Stan: Yes, and the truth is that Islam is a blood soaked religion; it’s just a historical truth, it’s no exaggeration it’s no attack on the Islam it’s a statement of fact. Mohammad himself launched his whole religion as a terrorist as a man who murdered man, woman and children. And force them to accept his version of religion Islam. And it was soaked and steeped in bloodshed. And today as you said “A good Muslim, a Muslim that believes in the Koran believes what it teaches; he believes his duty before Allah to take the world by Jihad, by holy war and to bring it into submission, force it into submission to Allah.”
Sid: By the way, what is happening in England and London in particular as far as Islam? Is it true someone told me that there are more mosques today in London that churches?
Stan: Yes, that’s true. I’m not sure in terms of numbers but a lot of churches have been closed down or turned into law offices or other such secular institutions. The number of Christians believing, active Christians in the United Kingdom in Great Britain, has subsided and shrunk dramatically. And it has been said today, it is actually being taught be Bible teachers, by spiritual men of God. One man by the name of David Parson, he’s very well known over there. He has been publicly even given the opportunity to publicly express what he believed that what he heard from heaven that within 10 years Great Britain will be an Islamic country. Now that may have been outrageous to hear 5 years ago but when you look at the inroads that Islamic is making, and the freedom of what is so called with the hand of tolerance extended by the British to the Muslim world they are growing all over the place there. The religion is growing very very fast. And it’s not only there it’s across the channeling fronts too.
Sid: It’s got to be supernatural its growth because I’ve studies Islam and historically it doesn’t line up with history, archaeologically, scientifically, names geographically. I mean there’s so many mistakes there it’s got to be a supernatural growth.
Stan: Yeah and I fully believe and I believe you and I here are in agreement that this is something that comes from hell.
Sid: And that’s why all of these countries are attacking Jewish people. And you were telling me on yesterday’s broadcast that just last month what happened.
Stan: Yeah it was just last month. Well actually now let me think about it I made a mistake it was probably a little bit longer than that ago. I remember the very week it was the week that the United Nations was condemning Israel for building the security fence and a Jewish woman who was 8 months pregnant was driving in the Gaza Strip with her 4 little girls, and 3 terrorists, 3 Muslim terrorists fired at the tires of her car. And when her car slid off the road and stopped they approached the car. And the first bullet in her belly killing her unborn child. And then while she was still alive one after the other they murdered her 4 little girls in front of her before finally putting a bullet into her head. And that is an outrageous act of hate filled violence. And it’s not unique; I have a whole stack of newspaper clippings from the last 4 ½ hears of Arab violence against the Jews. It’s not just violence it’s not just killing a Jew here and killing a Jew there as awful as that would be. It’s whole families Sid that have been cut in half, men burying their own fathers and subsequently being buried by their own sons. A grandmother burying 3 generations of her own family; 5 children burying their 5 siblings and their mother and father. The list goes on and on and on and the hatred. And Jews being torn apart with their bare hands of Arabs that then eat the remains of the Jews in front of the cameras eat them.
Sid: I hated to see the beheading that’s been going on by the terrorists in Iraq but at least America now sees the true face of the enemy.
Stan: I agree.
Sid: Look, we’re out of time Stan there’s so much we need to talk about. Please; please come back on tomorrows broadcast this is urgent teaching that you’re about ready to hear.
Sid: My guest Dr. Catherine Millard; she is the Founder and President of the Christian Heritage Ministry and Christian Heritage Tours located in Northern Virginia. We’re interviewing her on her book “The Rewriting of American History.” There’s no way we can cover all of these important points, but I can tell you as a fact speaking first hand this is revolutionary to me because I was taught with revisionist history. In your book you talk about Christopher Columbus. And you were telling a few things just before we went on the air, that my Mishpochah must here.
Catherine: Ah, yes he wrote one book and I have the facsimile pages of the folio pages of his book entitled. “Book of Prophesies.” I’ll just quote a little bit to you. “At a very early age”…this is the introduction, Christopher Columbus speaking. At a very early are I began to sail upon the ocean. For more than 40 years I’ve sailed everywhere that people go. I prayed to the most merciful Lord about my heart’s great desire and He gave me the Spirit and the intelligence for the task. It was the Lord with my mind; I could feel His hand upon me. The fact that it would be possible to sail from here to the Indies. All that heard of my project rejected it with laughter, ridiculing me. There is no question that the inspiration was from the Holy Spirit because He comforted me with rays of marvelous illumination form the scriptures. A strong inter-testimony in me from the Old Testament and from the four Gospels and the 24 Epistles of the blessed apostles encouraging me continually to press forward. And without ceasing for a moment they now encourage me to make haste. Our Lord Jesus decides to perform a very obvious miracle in the voyage to the Indies to comfort me and the whole people of God. I spent 7 years in the royal court discussing the matter with many persons of great reputation and wisdom in all of the arts. And in the end they concluded that it was all foolishness; so they gave it up. And since things generally come to pass that were predicted by our Savior Jesus Christ we should also believe that this particular prophesy will come to pass. In support of this I offered the Gospel text Matthew 24:34 in which Jesus said “That all things would pass away but not His marvelous word. He also affirmed that it was necessary that all things be fulfilled that were prophesied by Himself and by the prophets. I said that I would state may reasons. I hold alone to the sacred and holy scriptures “It is possible wrote Christopher Columbus that those that see this book will accuse me of being unlearned in literature, being a layman and a sailor. I replied with the words of Matthew 11:25 “Lord, because I have put these things from the wise and the prudent and revealed them unto babes. The holy scripture testifies in the Old Testament by our Redeemer Jesus Christ that the world must come to an end. The signs when this must happen were giving by Matthew, Mark, and Luke. The prophets also predicted many things about it. Our Redeemer Jesus Christ said that “Before the end of the world all things must come to pass that had been written by the prophets.” For the execution of the journey to the Indies I did not make use of intelligence, mathematics or maps. It is simply the fulfillment of what Isaiah had prophesied. Now when Christopher Columbus is talking about the Prophet Isaiah it’s theme scripture for his book of prophesies. Isaiah 66:19 where God speaks through this prophet who lived 1715 years before Christ was born, the Messiah was born that his word and his glory must go to unknown coast lands, islands, tribes, nations and peoples before the end came. And Christ came back in great glory. And Columbus concludes, all this is what I desire to write down in this book. I said (Wrote Christopher Columbus) that some of the prophesies remain yet to be fulfilled. Is a great and a wonderful thing for the earth. And the signs are that the Lord is hastening the end; the fact that the gospel must still be preached to so many lands in such a short time. This is what convinces me. Now Ferdinand Columbus his, son, his first son was Don Diego, but I have consulted Ferdinand Columbus’s book in the Rare Book Collection on his father’s voyages and his father’s life. And he actually states that his father was hand picked by Almighty God before birth to take the gospel to the Indian nation and this continent. Who had been made a prey of Satan, the Devil and that he had plucked them out. He was to pluck them out which he did out of the prey of the Devil to become citizens of the Kingdom of Eternal life. And that his name Christopher meant Christ bearer for that very fact. He signs his names on all of his letters, I have reproduced his signature in my book “Rewriting America’s History,” exposes the New Testament Greek for Christ the Anointed One; our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and then Serene in Spanish which means bearer. Which is a very exciting story and Christopher stayed upon scripture and prayer.
Sid: And it shows that we had even a godly finding our nation; discovering our nation. And then the information that you have in your book on the founding fathers and it’s so contrary to what we’re taught in public schools. Every young person in America, every old person in America must read this book. I think that you’re going to find it fascinating Mishpochah. But I want to dwell a bit on an area that is very popular in the news. The separation of church and state. And they say that “If you study the original documents, that was the intent of our founding fathers; what would your response be?
Catherine: No, that’s not the case actually from original documents again. Separation of the church by the interference by the state is the term the finding fathers used. And it goes back to Thomas Jefferson in 1786 saying a statutes for religious religious freedom in Virginia which went for Congress that year. Pushed through by his great friend James Madison and in it; it’s actually accepted on the inner walls of the Jefferson Memorial as well. And in it Jefferson just establishes the state controlled Anglican Church which was corrupt and the clergy was England and the hierarchy controlled the worship system of the people. And all the mainline persons of denominations like the Baptist, Mennonites, Quakers, Presbyterians, Methodist, they all had to go to the Anglican controlled church before the statutes for religion freedom in Virginia 1786 went through congress. And they had to pay the taxes or tithes that was controlling their worship system because they had to go to the Anglican state controlled church. Well, Jefferson wisely as Madison knowing the scriptures so well as they both did; I could prove that too in my book you’ll see that in Jefferson’s and Madison’s chapters. But they knew that was sinful and radical to use Jefferson’s own words in the same document and to force people to go to state controlled church and so they set them free. And the Baptist was greatly applauded Jefferson and greatly appreciated of being set free as the other denominations. So a year later which was 1787 when they framed the founders frame they gave us the Constitution, Philadelphia and also framed the Bill of Rights because of that problem of the state controlling the worship system of the people. This was established the year before the Anglican state control it had been disestablished they put in the first amendment and that Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. Because the Anglican state control church had been the established church. Or prohibiting free exercise there of. Like prohibiting the Baptist from going in and worshiping in their own mode. And then captive on to prison other denominations, protestant denominations. So it was separation of church from inference by the state. About 40 or 50 years ago the ACLU took that phrase out of context. They took it backwards and they got actually, if you really want to know where it comes from it comes from the Soviet Constitution, the 24th article.
Catherine: Of the Soviet Constitution, that there shall be separation from church and state and there shall be separation of…
Sid: So it’s a communist doctrine.
Catherine: Well, I believe so; because there’s no political official proclamation or writing of any finding father.
Sid: Well, if Thomas Jefferson could have the last word right now about the separation of church and state, what do you think he’d say?
Catherine: Well, I’m reading from his letter of the Danby Baptist Association it’s a page and a half long letter thanking them for setting them free from their statutes and their statutes of religious freedom of Virginia. It’ in my book, I’m believing with you. That’s Fundamental Bible Believing Baptist. And you couldn’t get any more Bible believing than they and scriptural than they. That religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God. And it’s to account to none-other for his faith or his worship. Let the legislative powers of government reach actions only and not opinions. And then he quotes the first amendment that they put in into the Bill of Right. I contemplate with sovereign reference that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “Make no law” respecting an establishing a religion or prohibiting the free exercise of there of. And this is the last line of his page and a half long letter. Responding to the Dandy Baptists in Connecticut their applause at setting them free to worship in their own mode. That’s building a wall of separation between church and state. But that’s the only place you find it and it’s of any founding father and it’s an unofficial off the record nonpolitical letter. And it begins a page and a half long before that last line. And it clearly explains in that letter that the government will no longer be able to interfere with the worship system of the…
Sid: Well, I’ll tell you well our time is slipping away Mishpochah.
Sid: Have I got a show for you; what is the classic One New Man? Now you know that I get that from the book of Ephesians in which that it said that “Yeshua (that’s Hebrew for Jesus) came to break down the middle wall of separation between Jew and Gentile to form One New Man in Him. Now, what is the classic definition of the One New Man? I believe a Jew and an Arab with every bit of enmity taken down and the two become a brand new creation in Yeshua called the Body of Messiah. And I have on the telephone a Palestinian. His name is Akef Tayem that had an extraordinary experience and I want to get to know him better, and I want you to get to know him better. Akef you were born in one of my favorite cities in Israel, in Haifa, Israel. You were born a year or so before Israel became a nation. You’re a Palestinian Arab; tell me about the family you were born into. What did they do for a living? What was their life like?
Akef: Alright, of course I was born in Haifa like you said. My father was a very wealthy individual; he was a merchant; he owned a plantation. He raised… we had a farm; a very large farm producing oranges, grapes also but the main product was oranges. The main place he exported the oranges were Britain and Europe a little bit. And he had 6 children at the time before I was born, I was the 7th child. He was well respected in the community; he was a Muslim of course and he attended mosque and…
Sid: Now in America we have what’s called Christianity and some are practicing and some are nominal but they call themselves Christians. Your father was an observant Muslim.
Akef: Yes, I recall time and time again seeing him and my mother and my oldest brother, my oldest sisters performing the prayer on the mat. They would put it on the floor and perform the prayer as ordered by the Koran daily five times a day.
Sid: And just out of curiosity did your father want one of his children to be an Imam, you know a Muslim cleric or no?
Akef: I don’t recall that, but the usually in a family, that would be something desirable that the father would want at least one of his sons to be an Imam.
Sid: Now why did your family move to the Island of Cypress?
Akef: Well, it was in ’48 of course the partition, the Balfour Declaration. And Haifa which is where our home was was in the part that belonged to the new state of Israel.
Sid: So did your father who was obviously very prosperous did you lose your property?
Akef: Yes, we lost our property and of course we had a choice to stay in Israel.
Sid: If you would have stayed would you have been able to keep your property?
Akef: I doubt that, I don’t know; I really don’t know.
Sid: See, I’ve been told that the ones that stayed could keep it but I wasn’t there; you were that’s why I’m asking, but you were just a baby almost.
Akef: Yes, I did here conversations later on with my…you know as I grew up a little bit. And I think you have a point; we could have if we became subject to the new established State. Just like many Palestinians have stayed, there is I believe over a million Palestinians; Israeli Palestinians. But I think that what I understand the main reason that my family left was the concern of 6 very young children. Matter of fact my name Akef means standing. And the way it came about is my mom when I would hear guns and bombs going off I would freeze, I would just stand up. And mom would say “Go and get the guy whose standing; bring him in the house so. But I think that it was the fear of the war that…
Sid: Now were you raised being subject to a great deal of anti-Semitism within your school, within your parent’s conversation, within your friends conversation?
Akef: No, not at school Sid because when we went to Cyprus of course; that’s Greek Island; it was then, it was partitioned later on between Greeks and Turks. But when we went there is was a Greek Island. And there was…
Sid: So I understand not the school but how about at home and friends?
Akef: Very much, very very much.
Sid: Did you… tell me as best you understand. Did you have a hatred in your heart towards the Jew?
Akef: Of course, of course everyone, everyone every especially Palestinian whose been displaced. I mean that’s all we hear; that’s all I heard growing up.
Sid: Now you must have been a pretty bright person because here you are in Cypress and you get a scholarship to attend a University in the United States. How did that happen?
Akef: Well, actually all my brothers have.
Sid: My goodness you’ve got some good genes.
Akef: We all have my oldest brother; actually he deserves most of the credit. He didn’t even have a chance to go to school when we went to Cyprus. He taught himself English, and he was the first to get a scholarship to Ohio Wesleyan University in Delaware, Ohio.
Akef: Then my other brother got a scholarship in England. And then my next brother the third got a scholarship in West Fairfield, Ohio. So that’s one thing my dad made sure we had a good education and thank God we did go to the best school. And we learned English, of course, we were very close to a British base.
Sid: Now when you were in the United States you met a Christian girl and she was telling you about her belief. And one day she started talking about miracles and healing. Why did this get you so upset?
Akef: Well, I just did not… two things you associate Christianity with Judaism for one thing. With Jews which is another thing to a Palestinian.
Sid: I wish more Jews would have associate Christianity with Jews, but go ahead. (Laughing)
Akef: So that’s one thing that perturbed me a little bit. The thought of this evangelist and this greater God than Mohammed’s god and Islam’s god who can perform miracles.
Sid: Well did you see miracles within Islam? Forget what people told you did you ever see any?
Akef: No, no it doesn’t even exist.
Akef: I mean you go to a mosque it’s beyond your comprehension these lies that you see in America where people come and they get prayed for and they come to be ministered.
Akef: And that does not exist in a mosque.
Sid: So let me ask you a question. Why I the world would you go see a tent evangelist that’s supposed to have miracles if you don’t even believe in them?
Akef: Well it was me and a few students, we really went down there to ridicule the guy. I didn’t go believing. We thought, I thought, that he was a shyster. I mean…
Sid: You want to expose him.
Akef: Well, actually I don’t know if I had that the power or I had the means to expose him. What I wanted to do was get my girlfriend to where she’d stop talking about this and she’d leave me alone. If you can show that he’s just a fake then she’d get off my back so to speak.
Sid: Okay, now was this actually a tent meeting?
Sid: Alright, and you go into the tent. And did you sit in the back or in the front row?
Akef: Well, we were about the middle.
Sid: Okay, and tell me what your first reactions were from what you saw.
Akef: Well, it was so different than what I’m used to. To me that was not a church in any way. It was more like a circus.
Sid: A circus! (Laughing)
Akef: People were dressed, especially the woman. I mean it was short dresses some of them and extreme makeup. You never see that in a mosque, you know they’re covered and actually you can’t even tell there’s a lady under all of that covering. So… and then of course the drums, the guitars. It was more of a showmanship thing.
Sid: Were you getting angry?
Akef: Well I was wondering how someone can perform, can do this in the name of God. In other words to me it was sacrilegious. We are taught growing up as Muslims to be very, very respectful of God, very respectful of God. You just don’t do these things in front of God or in the House of God.
Sid: So the time of reckoning comes, a time for a miracle. What did you do?
Akef: Well, you know of course they had people in wheelchairs; there was a person on a stretcher. And I remember the first miracle as far as he’s concerned and the crowd was concerned was a lady in a wheelchair.
Sid: Akef we’re out of time we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast. Mishpochah, this is so wonderful what God is going to do to Akef. But we’ll tell you on tomorrow’s broadcast. But I’ve asked Akef to go beyond the 5 days with me so we’ll have his full testimony and then the most brilliant apologetics I have ever seen anywhere and I’ve interviewed a number of Muslims that have had experiences with Jesus but I have never seen these apologetics before. I just pray that every Muslim in the world get’s a hold of this.
Sid: Getting ready Mishpochah to activate the gifts of the Holy Spirit the gifts that have been pent up within you. It’s almost like the parable in the Bible of manthat buried his talents in the dirt because he said “You’re a tough taskmaster God” and he never used them. And as I’m concerned 21st century American Christianity had buried their talents in the dirt. And there’s a few super stars; the TV super stars; the radio super stars; but we only have one Superstar and His Name in Hebrew is Yeshua, in English Jesus. My guest is Tim Enloe and I am so excited because little over 30 years ago I became a Jewish believer in the Messiah and I came in on the wings of the move of God’s Spirit which was called the Charismatic Movement. I’ll tell you something it is dead, dead, dead bad news. But the good news is that we are about ready to see the greatest move of God’s Spirit in history. And it’s time for a new generation to get activated. Tim I want you to take me into a teaching session you have just taught on being born again; on the baptism of Holy Spirit. The whole congregation enters in and they’re all praise God in unknown tongues. What happens next with this whole group of people? Pick one person out and tell me what’s going to happen in their life.
Tim: Well, I think that the most important part of understanding the baptism of the Holy Spirit goes on beyond the moment of receiving and beginning to speak in that new language. That’s really just the beginning and that’s really just scratching the service. And I think that so many people don’t experience the fullness of what the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is all about because their expectations stop there. But that’s just the beginning it’s not a destination it’s a gateway; it’s an entry point into a new Spirit empowered Christianity. So I just share with people “Okay, now you received this beautiful gift, you’ve sensed the Holy Spirit coming upon you and begun to partner with the Holy Spirit and speak out those new words that God Himself has inspired to you. Words just like Paul said you don’t understand. Now understand that same Spirit that moved upon you and prompted you with words you do not understand He will keep that cable connected from God’s hard-drive to your peripheral device; to your mouth. God will now inspire your speech.” You know Peter on the day of Pentecost his explanation for the Baptism of the Holy Spirit was “Spirit on flesh causes prophecy” right; “In the last days God says “I’ll pour out My Spirit out on all flesh and your sons and daughters will prophecy; your young men will see visions; your old men will dream dreams; and even on my servants both men and woman in those day I will pour forth of My Spirit and they will prophecy.” Well I think that for so long we’ve had such a spooky idea of what prophecy is. We think that it’s some grumpy long bearded scowling face coming in with a bathrobe and a staff into the middle of our congregations. And saying you know “Ichabod, ichabod sayeth the Lord.” This terrible condemning thing but this most simple definition of prophecy means to speak forth. And of course in a Biblical concept it means to speak forth words that are inspired by God. So when the Lord spoke to me several years ago when I was praying and asking God for some more truth on the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. And my main question to the Lord was “How does tongues fit in?” I know Biblically it’s what we expect is our sign that we have received this gift and I know that after the fact we can pray in the intercessory language of tongues “Praying in the perfect will of God.” Romans 8:26 and 27. I know that it’s a language of worship like Acts 2 says “We hear them declaring the wonders of God,” that language of the Spirit declaring adoration and worship to God. All those different facets but the Lord spoke something to me that has really changed my understanding of the Baptism of the Spirit. I believe that the primary function of the language of the Spirit speaking in other tongues is confidence. Because when we’re baptized the Spirit we begin to speak God inspired words in a language in which we do not understand. This is what the Lord showed me. That if I could trust God to lead me to speak in a language in which I do not understand; how much more then can I trust Him to lead my known language to minister to someone else it’s the same operation. Me speaking God inspired words, the language is irrelevant; God knows all languages being the Omniscient Creator God of the Universe.
Sid: You know in the New Testament it says to pray that we prophecy and most people when they read that they think they they’re going to be, as you pointed out, a Jeremiah or someone like that. But basically what you’re explaining is that they’re going to be able to witness with this prophecy.
Tim: Isn’t that one of the most powerful dimensions of the Holy Spirit moving upon us is that we lay hands on the sick and they recover, but that we speak forth words that go beyond physical recovery that come to spiritual recovery. When Peter he had spoken in that language of the Spirit, those unknown languages there to him at the moment, but the onlookers understood; different parties understood the language that that had been spoken. It caused them some spiritual curiosity you know signs make you wonder right. And then all of a sudden now Peter turned that around; he trusted in God. He kept that cable connected. The language just changed; he got around someone that didn’t know Jesus and opened his mouth and began to speak and all of a sudden that same Spirit that had inspired him to speak in some unknown language to him was now guiding him to speak in the common everyday language of the people present. And they were cut to the heart. What I share with people after receiving the baptism in the Holy Spirit is make sure you take the Holy Spirit home with you. You might be going home to a family that doesn’t know the Lord; you might be going home to a marriage that spiritually split down the middle. You might be going home to family or friends or working environment that hostile even to the things of God. We can prompt all of our own words what we think would operate best; you can follow the Romans road and the 4 Spiritual Laws and those are wonderful tools. But there is something different about a few God inspired words; they can change a circumstance. A great example of this is some time ago a dear friend of ours that has been very very closed to the gospel; very closed to the things of God. I’ve tried to witness to him for years literally through many different ways. And even sometimes perhaps in confrontational ways trying to share the things of God because I’m so compassionate about his soul. I mean “God is willing that none shall perish.” And He wants to help us but for some reason when it came to this man’s case it’s like what you mentioned earlier I think it was yesterday I tried to engage his brain trying to convince him through proof and through evidence and through archeology and all of these things. I was trying to show him that Jesus was real. And “Hey, we found Caiaphas’s tomb” and this is (Laughing) real and this is fact. And you know the Lord spoke to me one day “That I had 24 hours to get in front of him and not speak my words but speaks God’s.” And this was coming from a person that’s been baptized in the Spirit since I was 12; a person that teaches other people that you need to flow in that language of the Spirit so that it will bring confidence for God to guide you in the known language. This is how easy it is to get even personally distorted and miss the point. I got in front of him that day and I sat down and as I opened up my mouth 3 words came out from God and he immediately broke down and cried and he gave his life to the Lord. Three words from God; it took… it totally turned the tables on what had taken me years and years and years of my own effort. “Not by might, nor by power but by My Spirit.” When you receive the baptism in the Spirit trust God to guide you in your own language. Get alone with an unbeliever and get one on one with him; begin to talk to him; begin to care about them. And then begin to trust in the Holy Spirit to guide your known language to minister to the needs of their life.
Sid: You know one of the things that’s so amazing to me is that the whole idea of being baptized in the Holy Spirit speaking in unknown tongues in particular is now confined to the pastor’s office or a backroom. Why has tongues been taken out of the church? What are they so afraid of? What is this fear going on with tongues?
Tim: There’s one word, pride, nobody likes to look stupid. I’ll never forget the Lord spoke to me several years ago. I was getting ready to pray for someone in a way that I was very uncomfortable in praying for them. I really felt like it compromised my dignity; so I had a little pow-wow with God before I prayed for them. I said “Lord I really am uncomfortable in praying for this person in this way because I feel like you know it’s going to make me look stupid. I believe in praying honest prayers.” The Lord just prompted my heart with the understanding that I didn’t need His help to make myself look stupid, that I did a fine enough job without Him myself.
Tim: That instead obeying God wouldn’t make me look stupid obeying God, obedience always brings anointing. And you see we’re so afraid of losing what other people; how they perceive us; we’re afraid of losing our dignity. And really dignity if really a euphemism for pride; and I believe that many churches today they have so much at stake they have multi-million dollar buildings and big mortgages and all kinds of programs. And they’re afraid that if they allow this to go out front they’re going to drive people away.
Sid: It’s called “Fear of man.”
Tim: The Bible says “That it’s exactly the opposite.” Tongues are a sign for the unbeliever like on the day of Pentecost it stirs a spiritual curiosity. I don’t know about you but the first time as a child I ever heard someone speaking in tongues I sat frozen. I’ll never forget that I sat frozen there saying “What in the world is going on?”
Sid: Listen as a Jewish person that was a nonbeliever in Jesus the most exciting thing that I saw was someone being able to speak in a language that they had never been instructed. I was fascinated with it as a nonbeliever!
Tim: That’s exactly right and that same awe, there’s an awe of God that comes through signs and wonders of which tongues speaking vocally inspired words from God. Paul talked about that primary way Paul talked about that prophetic utterance. Paul said “I want you all to prophecy,” in 1st Corinthians chapter 14. Speak forth God inspired words that are edification, exhortation and comfort. And this is the entry point; the baptism in the Holy Spirit is the entry point in connecting that cable from God’s inspiration to our mouth.
Sid: You have been going for awhile now talking about just creating an appetite to speaking in unknown tongues; to being lead by the Spirit of God to prophesying. But I want to dwell on is this area of tongues; why is it so important? It’s… let’s be candid Tim it’s controversially you don’t want to talk about religion or politics with new people it’s too controversial. Of course I don’t know anything else that’s as interesting myself.
Sid: But seriously speaking I have had pastors that are Spirit-filled say “We don’t have tongues in our church because we’re more for the whole area than just the Charismatics.”
Tim: Well, that’s like eliminating any Biblical doctrine. You really get in dangerous territory; now of course there are essential Christian doctrines essential believers…
Sid: I’m looking at my brother Jeff Burke and I’m thinking about all the things that he went through. Jeff was called into the ministry at 21; he was a Baptist preacher at 21 years of age. He comes from a family; he father was a minister. But he didn’t see the supernatural; he didn’t see what he read in the New Testament. And he thought; maybe it’s all fake and his father said “Well, but these people called Pentecostals, Charismatic’s they speak in tongues and they seem to have miracles but tongues isn’t of God so we’re going to not touch that.” So eventually Jeff left the ministry; he got involved in witchcraft; got involved in drugs and he thought his power was making him very successful and he did rise up to quite a level of success in the business world. Then his parents get Spirit-Filled and start praying together for Jeff and praying in unknown tongues. Make a long story short the bottom fell out with Jeff he lost everything. He tried to commit suicide he couldn’t even do that. On the same night he took a whole bottle of sleeping pills; his mother was praying for him. And he could not could he not only die, he couldn’t even fall asleep with a whole bottle… he was up for 2 days. And a voice said for him to return home when he had nowhere to go and he called his dad and his dad picked him up and he returned home. And then he got a book on praising God and he started trying to praise God and he heard the demonic voices. He didn’t know what to do about it; he went to his parents his parents set up a deliverance meeting. He went to a place that were supposed to be expert in deliverance. He didn’t know that they had only prayed for one other person before him. And they started praying for you Jeff and what happened?
Jeff: When they sat me down and began to pray for me one of the things I knew the most and remember the most my face changed; it just changed…
Sid: It just got distorted.
Jeff: And out of the corner of my mouth this huge cloud of smoke came. And…
Sid: Did anyone else see this smoke?
Jeff: Oh yeah; both of them saw it and they both said “Wow, did you see that?” And again this is only the second time and so but they took me through the whole thing and there was 26 manifestations that happened during that time.
Sid: So 26 demons left you.
Sid: That’s a lot.
Jeff: That is a lot.
Sid: There’s no wonder you had difficulty functioning. Now when all of those demons were gone; what was going on inside of you, how did you feel Jeff?
Jeff: Well, they stood me up and they said “How do you feel?” And I said “Well, I fell like somebody scrubbed me with a brush on the inside.” You see it’s like a wire brush and it scrubbed; and I’d been scrubbed really clean. And I said “I just feel really clean on the inside of me and they said “Well, the house has been swept clean so we’re going to pray.” So they prayed for me to be filled with the Holy Spirit and I was.
Sid: Did you speak I unknown tongues?
Jeff: I did speak in tongues, yes praise the Lord.
Sid: You know Mishpochah, that’s the mercy of God. And here remember he had such a desire to move in the power and the supernatural of God. And no one was willing to show him the truth so he ended up in a lie and almost lost his life. I tell you you would have died hadn’t your parents hadn’t prayed for you.
Jeff: I most definitely think I would have.
Sid: When did the real gifts of the Holy Spirit start operating through you? Tell, me the first time you realized that God was using you?
Jeff: Well, praise the Lord we went to a prayer meeting and there was a little girl that was 11 years old that had moved in her life. And my heart something rose up and she had a foster mom; because nobody else wanted her. And I said “Do you mind if I pray for the little girl?” And she said “Oh no.” So we prayed for this little girl that had never moved in her life her mom got up and walked across the room and she picked her head up and turned her head and followed her all across the room. This little girl that had never moved 11 years old; that had been fed like a baby had been fed with a bottle ever since she’s been born. And all of a sudden she had moved for the first time in her life. And my heart was in a place where I’m going that’s the greatest, if I may say it this way, “That’s the greatest high I’ve ever experienced; no drug ever gave me that.” Inside my heart I’m going “Wow, if God can do; if God can do that then there’s other things that He can do.” And so He began to do amazing things; amazing things. One of the things that happened is I had a need for $420 that I had to go to court and pay. But the Lord spoke to me He says “Don’t ask anybody for this” He said “I’m just going to show you I’m going to make provision.” And so I went out and got in the car and when I went out and got in the car and I put it in reverse I felt like I’d gave the Lord plenty of time to do something.” So I said “I got to go.” And I only had a quarter of a tank of gas, or very little gas. And so I’m backing out and pull out of the driveway; the man was running down the sidewalk and he comes running up and knocks on the door on my window. So I rolled my window down and he said “Jeff forgive me God told me to bring this to you this morning.” And so he hands me an envelope. And so he turns and leaves and I open up the envelop and there’s $420 in there. Now I only had $6 in my pocket; so I put the $6 in gas and so I drove 150 – 200 miles to the town where I had to go to. I went in and I actually paid the $420 that I needed. When I paid what I needed to pay and I started back and I look and I’m setting on empty and I said “Lord, how am I going to get home” I said “But you’re the same God that got me here can get me back.” And so I began to pray; I said “What would you like me to pull over and somebody come knocking on my window?” He said “No.”
Sid: Your totally believing now. (Laughing)
Jeff: So He said “Just look at you gas hand.” So I looked at my gas hand it was setting on E and it went from E to a ¼ of a tank.
Sid: There are people listening to us right now and their saying “You’re making this up; because those things don’t happen to them” But you know what Jeff, I believe what you’re describing is normal Bible Christianity. And what they’re describing is nothing more than dead tradition.
Sid: I have to tell you; you really provoke me to jealousy the way God tells you even specific people’s names. Give me an example.
Jeff: I was in Homer, Alaska and sitting there and I saw a little girl she was about 17 years old. She was sitting by a lady and the lady turned out to be her mother; but the mother was a hold up a child. But God spoke to me and He said “This is her child.” And she’s moved from Oklahoma because the child is born out of wedlock. And she’s come so that her parents could help her raise the child. He spoke to me and I said “Lord I don’t want me to call that out publicly.” And He said “No son, this is what I want you to do; I want you go and tell her that Aaron is not an accident; and He really will thunder.” And I said “Well, Lord it sounds strange but I’ll go for it. And so I went to her and and I said “Mam look, the Lord told me to tell you this that Aaron is not an accident and that He really will thunder.” Now she came to me after the meeting was over and she said “Brother Jeff I moved here from Oklahoma and she said “I really moved so that my parents could help me raise my child because the child that my mother’s holding is my child.” He was born out of wedlock; she said “It’s so good to know that he is not an accident because his name is Aaron. And God said “That Aaron is not an accident.” But she said “Brother Jeff you know what the special thing is; she said I named him a very very unusual middle name.” She said “His middle name is Thunder.” And God said “Aaron’s not an accident that he really will thunder.”
Sid: Now Jeff there’s no way that could be a probability. There’s no the devils going to do that to give encouragement to Christians. It’s got to be so exciting for God to use you like that.
Jeff: It’s always a blessing.
Sid: I mean you literally can change someone’s destiny; their life; everything.
Jeff: Thank you.
Sid: Now when you hear these things are they thoughts or is it like an audible voice. Is it a picture?
Jeff: I call it kind of like a ticker tape. It’s like God will give me one word; maybe a name or one phrase or even sometimes I do see a picture. And when this happens it’s like this tape begins to run and I’m like seeing what God is saying. So I’m speaking what’s on this tape. That’s the closes way I know how to describe it.
Sid: Have you ever done this publicly and it was either wrong or people didn’t say someone’s name was there?
Jeff: I was in a place in Malaysia and I felt like God gave me name called Paris. And so I said “Paris; whose Paris.” And of course nobody responded and so as nobody responded and so I just kind a left it there. And afterwards this man comes up to me and says “Well, I think maybe you just pronounced it differently than I would pronounce it.” And so I spelled it and he said “Well, that’s my name but I pronounce it Parees” and so then was able to minister to him the things that God told me to minister to him.
Sid: Now Jeff beyond that which was that you just pronounced it wrong have you ever been wrong on a name or something like that?
Jeff: At this point I haven’t that I know of.
Sid: Well, that sounds good to me. I want you to open yourself up to minister on tomorrow’s broadcast.