SID:  Hello Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Pat and Patty McEnnerney, and I am so excited. You know every week I have been saying that, I have been so looking forward to this show, I hope you have been looking forward just half, I mean just 10% as much as I have been looking forward to it. Why?   Because God is going to show up! Now listen there is some people that are watching us right now, that their marriages are bust; it’s disaster. You have totally given up. Not given up because you want God to move, given up because you can’t stand the guy or you can’t stand the woman. Now, that is not the kind of given up that I am talking about. But, Patty you came pretty close to throwing in the towel with your husband, I mean people literally told you to divorce him?

PATTY:  I had neighbors at my door telling me you should leave that man. I had a pastor of a church tell us that we should get divorced.

SID:  Why?

PATTY:  Because we, because Pat wasn’t able to be free to do what he wanted to do.

SID:  He was drinking?  Drugs?

PATTY:  He was drinking; he was addicted to cocaine.

SID:  Pat, how long were you addicted to drugs and alcohol?

PAT:  Drugs five years, alcohol eight.

SID:  Now fortunately I have never been as addict, but as I understand it starts out like fun and games and then you are stuck.

PAT:  Of course, it is a very strong form of false worship. Actually I don’t even hardly know that man. Because when we come into Christ we die. And when my wife even shares that testimony it’s like

SID:  Who’s that guy?

PAT:  Who is that man?

SID:  But in the meantime, you were getting all the pressure: pastor, neighbors; leave that guy. He is never going to change, you are right biblically to get out of the house, and so what did you do?

PATTY:  I decided to give it to God. The Lord had told me that I had a covenant with him, and that he would be faithful and that he would never leave me. And I started reading the word and I realized that, that was my promise it was for me. You know it is for everybody else, but it was for me too. So I began to pray and I had an encounter with the Lord and I was on my kitchen floor for eight hours, releasing…

SID:  Eight hours?

PATTY:  I was stripping my kitchen floor of wax, I did every square inch and then I did it again. And for eight hours I was praying and releasing and I, and you know when the joy and the peace comes on you, you can stand up and know that God has heard you; and I stood up after that encounter with the living God…

SID:  Why did you stay down? Were you …

PATTY:  I was pinned, Sid, I couldn’t get up he would not let me up, I would try..

SID:  What were you doing this, eight hours while you were pinned to the kitchen floor?

PATTY:  I was crying and crying out to God, and the kids were gone I had shipped them out that day, and Pat was gone and I knew it was time because I was desperate. I had no strength, I had nothing in me and that was the point there was nothing in me that could help that marriage. It was going down very fast.

SID:  So did you give up because the marriage was so bad? Or did you give up because you realized that if you gave up, God could move?

PATTY:  Well you know God does some strange things. I really didn’t realize what I was doing, nobody told me to do that. It was a divine appointment that God had set up, and I gave up because I was at the end of myself. There was nothing that I could do, and I knew that I had heard that there was a God that had kept his promise.

SID:  Okay, when you got up after being pinned down on the floor for eight hours, what was going on in the inside?

PATTY:  You know what? It was like a put a new garment on. It was like I had a peace of God on me. I had an assurance that Pat was released to God and I didn’t have to worry about it anymore. And that meant that I might lose my husband, that meant that my children…

SID:  Speaking of losing a husband, you were drinking and what happened in that auto?

PAT:  Well, I was coming home from a drug party, essentially and blacked out in my plumbing truck. And as I was getting ready for the truck to drive off of the road, someone, something behind me was shaking me. And I came too.

SID:  Who was shaking you? There was no one in the car. Who was shaking you?

PAT:  It was an angel – it had to be. You know and the thing was, I thought…

SID:  You were really shaking? But you were into drugs so maybe, the drugs were…

PAT:  See that is exactly what I thought except for this fact. When you have an encounter an actual supernatural encounter, the drugs and alcohol were out of me, and it was as if I had never had any. And I pondered the fact that I survived because

SID:  Okay, you got woke up but then what happened?

PAT:  Well, as I was awakened I grabbed the wheel, and slammed my slammed my foot on the brakes of the truck and watched really in really slow motion, this post come up off of the guard rail and come right at my head.

SID:  Oh no,

PAT:  And as it hit the windshield, it was on a C-30 step down, a flat window, it didn’t crack it didn’t go through it, it took a chip out of it, I don’t know how that happens and then it went up over the truck. The lower one went right through the headlight the fender and would have taken my leg off.

SID:  What happened though?

PAT:  I went home. I looked at the truck and I thought oh my God.

SID:  That could have been, if it had of been on the other side it would’ve been, you would’ve lost your leg; you probably would’ve lost your life.

PAT:  Yes, I should’ve lost my life,

SID:  If you didn’t wake up you would’ve lost your life. So what effect did this have on you?

PAT:  Well I drove home, and Patty had within the two week period, taken the handcuffs off of God and he came to visit. And I saw my whole life come before me, from my earliest recollection of my childhood, to the moment the Lord spoke to me. This happened three times and he said you either turn or I am taking your life and you will burn. And I…

SID:  Did he actually use that terminology?

PAT:  Yes, he did.

SID:  Turn or burn?

PAT:  Yes,

SID:  My goodness I am going to write that down; I like that.

PAT:  Maybe it is not too original but it got my attention. And at first I thought oh no this is just a nightmare, but each time the presence of God came, each time I was convicted of my sin;, unbelievable conviction; unbelievable fear of God fell on me. And I had two scriptures that I knew. I had recently been a Christian. And I only knew two scriptures, God is not a liar.

SID:  You had been a Christian, but you were still drinking.

PAT:  Oh yah,

SID:  I mean, let me tell you something we are going to be back in a moment. God supernaturally changes this man. I mean not naturally, supernaturally, and he now knows people’s names, great miracles are happening. Why not now, why not you? Don’t go away, we will be right back and expect something great to happen to you. Be right back.

SID:  Hello Sid Roth here your investigative reporter here with Hank and Brenda Kunneman, and Hank your book intrigues me. The title, Hide and Seek – in effect you say God is hiding; what do you mean by that?

HANK:  Well Isaiah 45:15 here’s what it says and it is also in Isaiah 8; it says “I am the God that hides myself” and God does not hide so we will never seek him, or find him. In fact Jesus said seek and you will find. So what God does many times is He is longing and waiting, to be with us. The problem is we have so many other things that we are searching for or we are busy about that we never take the time out to seek him. And another thing that is interesting; in fact one of the titles or chapters in my book it talks how the prophets of Baal do many things; sometimes like the church does. And obviously they were calling out to a God that didn’t exist; but they were cutting themselves, they were crying, they were shouting, they were prophesying, they were dressing up, and they were trying to get (quote) “their God’s attention” And I have watched among people, you know: they dress up for church every Sunday, they shout, they cry, they squall, thinking that is going to get God’s attention; they prophesied, they pray, and they cry out. But here’s the thing, the reason why I believe that God answered for Elijah was because He had a sacrifice. He prophesied in I Kings 17 that there would be no dew or rain for a period of three years. So then He begins to build an altar and he begins to pour water out on it. Now water was a sacrifice, and I believe that God is hiding himself – not in the sense that you can’t find him, but He is there waiting for us to seek him, to call upon his name. The Bible says whoever calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved. Those that are already saved, if we will take the time to call out to him He will meet us. And what God is looking for I believe is a sacrifice; us willing to lay everything down on the line for him. Another chapter I talked about, it’s called “Why Seek the Living Among the Dead.”  And it is based on when the angel spoke to the women that were going to the tomb and had their spices and they were expecting a dead Jesus, and as they went they were going to spice up this quote “dead Jesus.” Well the Messiah wasn’t there. And the angel of the Lord said “Why are you looking for the living among the dead?” And I have found that you are not going to find God in the midst of a bunch of tradition, unbelief, busyness; you have to make time and sacrifice to the Lord, no matter how much you want to spice it up.

SID:  See I have always thought God will approach someone if He wants to. It’s God that makes that decision, but you are saying that we have something to do with that.

HANK:  Yeah, I think that there is human responsibility. You know God has his grace and obviously He was working in my life, but I really believe that there comes a point where God is looking for us. I believe that God sent Jesus Christ to the earth it was his move towards us, He was showing us that He wanted man and He was willing to pay the ultimate sacrifice. We also see in Acts chapter two…

SID:  I have to interrupt you right now, there is such a presence of God’s spirit on this set. I mean I am almost starting to tremble my mouth is almost starting to tremble. What is God doing right now? Why is He so blessed by what is going on? Why is He just showing up in such a strong fashion? Do you know Hank?

HANK:  I believe right now that there is a hunger that is in the heart of people that are looking right now at this television program. In fact, there is someone right now the Lord is ministering to my heart that you are crying out to God, because it doesn’t look like He has been answering your prayers; but I want to encourage you if you will take the time to set a place, to set a time, God’s going to meet you. And many of you are crying out; you’re saying “But I want to hear God.” I just want to right now just extend my hands towards you, by the love of God and the mercy of the Father and by his Spirit. You know the prophet of the Lord anointed the servants eyes that He could see; and so I just want to pray right now in the name of Jesus Christ that in the spiritual eyes will be begin to be enlightened; that you will know the understanding and the knowledge of God Almighty. I also pray that there come a supernatural release of seeing and knowing; that you would begin to see the things of the Spirit, and know God in a way that you have never known before. And that there will come a supernatural endowment of God, in his presence that will stir something up inside of you; that you will begin to seek God with all of your heart. In fact, the Bible says in Acts 2, that there was a rushing mighty wind. You know why I believe it was rushing? Because God could not wait to live inside of his people; and that is what the Lord is doing right now. He is releasing an anointing across the airways to begin to stir up again a spiritual hunger and thirst that has been dry on the inside of many of you. In fact, just lift up your hands and extend them towards the television set because God is going to literally release an anointing that is going to stir something up on the inside of your heart and things are going to be different in your walk right now. And I release that to you now in Jesus name; receive that presence, receive that anointing that breaks that yoke and releases those heavy burdens; receive that anointing right now. In fact there is a woman right now: Marilyn I see you, you have been contemplating suicide. In fact, I see scars on your wrist and here is what God is saying to you: “Lay down, lay down that which you have desired to do, because there is a new day coming for you. You have been going through jobs, but there is a job for you. And if you begin to seek after the Lord, you see you walked away, in fact your dad is a minister, and you have walked away. But I just want to encourage you, suicide is not the answer. God is the answer: the God of your father. You need to return back to that place again. Oh I know you are saying “hypocrisy,” but you know what? God has your attention right now. He is waiting there like the prodigal father with his arms open wide to receive you by his love and his grace. I just want to encourage you Marilyn that is the answer not taking your life.

SID:  I believe that there is a river – literally a tangible river of God’s presence that is pouring out. And as it is pouring out I hear that wherever this river goes, that’s what Ezekiel says there is life. Wherever this river goes there is healing, and I just heard by the spirit of God that someone who has an ache in there neck if they will move there neck they will see that ache is gone. There is another person that has an ache in there heart and I tell you, you have the balm of Gilead that is being poured into your heart right now. And it is a new day for you; it is a new beginning. And there are other people who just want peace! They just want peace, and I tell you the only way that you can have peace is to know the Sar Shalom, the Prince of Peace! And the only way to know the Sar Shalom, the Prince of Peace, is to believe that He died for your sins and that you repent; I mean there is no longer any time to play games. Especially, there’s someone who is a minister that is watching right now. And you’ve said “Well, God hasn’t done any; my ministry isn’t being blessed.” But I tell you cut it out because in another few months, your sin will be found out. And you have an opportunity to be a mensch; to be a man with God. He deserves more, so muster up that courage; repent of your sins and that means true repentance means not only stop doing it, but reconcile with that person that you are having problems with and get free. Know the truth, know the truth. The truth has a name – his name in Hebrew is Yeshua; his name in English is Jesus. Know the truth and the truth will set you free and don’t forget that important word by Hank and that is “ask God, God what do you want to do today, what is on your heart God.” Be more concerned with God and his righteousness then you and whatever you are doing that is nothing. God is everything, but to God you are special. To God you have importance; to God you are valuable, I tell you, you are valuable. There is purpose and destiny on your life don’t miss it!

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Brenda and Hank Kunneman. And because they’re friends of God, because they pursue God and because God just wants to be in their presence, He supernaturally protects them. He supernaturally heals them. He supernaturally provides. We’re coming to a time in history in which how would you like to be able to count on God supernaturally protecting you? Hank, give me another story.

HANK: I was driving in my car and the Lord said, “Stop at that fast food restaurant.” I thought it was meant to eat. I thought the Lord was endorsing it. He said, “Go in and find the biggest man and tell him about Jesus.” Well you know what I did, Sid? The opposite. I went in and I looked for the smallest guy and I couldn’t find him. I turned around and went outside and looked, and there was this huge biker, you know, motorcycle biker. Obviously big guy. Tattooed, everything. The Lord said, “Him.” I said, “God, him? What did I ever do? I’m not gonna talk to this guy.” And the Lord said, “Talk to him.” And so I went up to him and I started sharing with him. And he said, “I’m gonna kill you.” He was so mad. And he started to chase after me. And I was pretty scared. You know, wasn’t bold. I literally started walking away from him. I didn’t stand there, you know, and want to fight him. I started walking away. He literally picked me up and went to throw me back in a window. And the most incredible thing happened. People there witnessed it. As he picked me up to throw me into the window, I bounced off the window. I should have gone through. If that wasn’t enough, as soon as I looked and around, and he looked around because he couldn’t believe that I didn’t go through the window, he proceeded to try to punch me three times. But Sid, because of my life of not leaving God alone the Lord protected me. And three times he missed my face. And he was so angry that he started manifesting even more demonically. And his other bikers had to hold him back. Now here’s a guy three times he tried to punch me. He couldn’t hit me. They had to hold him back. But after that I rebuked the devil and I commanded the devil that was in the man to come out of him. And he fell to the ground and I was able to pray deliverance over this young man. In other words, what I mean by deliverance, commanding evil presence to leave his life. And after that he was completely different, and I was able to share Jesus with him all because my time of prayer beforehand.

BRENDA: That’s really the key.

SID: How about that young child.

BRENDA: Well you know, we had a situation that happened in our church. This was, what, two or three years. And it was in the summertime. And something that we do, and I just want to say we spend a lot of time in prayer together. But we encourage our church to be people that don’t leave God alone. We really promote that in the church. And so there was a family in the church and their child had been playing in a window, was 12 feet up. So the window was 12 feet from above their driveway. The little child suddenly went through the screen, fell out of the window to the concrete. I think the baby was about two years old at the time.

HANK: And two weeks prior one happened in the city the same way and died.

BRENDA: Exactly. Well this child, the parents ran outside, rushed the child to the hospital. He wasn’t responding. And they called us right away and said, “Pastors, pray.” And of course, our church people are people that they press into God and they began to pray. And everybody just prayed. We called out to God and immediately we began to decree. Because we’re confident that God is here for us because we spend that time. See, if you spend that time you’re confident God is there when you need Him. And so we called out to God. We decreed that none of his bones would be broken, that the child would completely be made whole. And by the time, I think you went up to the hospital–

HANK: Be careful about what you see. Because when I went up there he was throwing up.

BRENDA: It looked bad. He was sick.

HANK: He had all kinds of braces. And I thought, oh no, he’s throwing up blood. And it wasn’t blood. It was the Kool-Aid and the hotdogs he had eaten before he went out the window. So you can be moved by what you see.

BRENDA: That’s really true.

HANK: It almost messed with my complete confidence at that moment. And I have to point out, if you want the supernatural you got to get out of your head.

BRENDA: Yes you do. That’s exactly right. So this child, Sid, God as my witness, not one bone in that child’s body was broken. He was completely whole. I think he went home the next from the hospital.

HANK: And they declared it a miracle, the doctors.

BRENDA: They kept him for observation. The doctors declared it a miracle from the Lord. And these are the kinds of things that God does with people that press into Him.

SID: Very briefly, tell me about the baby that was cured of an incurable disease.

BRENDA: We had another child in our church who was born prematurely and I think there was something like 11 different diseases that this child was born with. It was supposed to die. The doctors were given, everyday they said to the mother, “This child is getting worse.” And again, we had a church that prayed. The Lord told Hank, “Go up to the hospital. I want you to just rock this baby and pray.”

HANK: He told me that Sunday. He said, “After the service, get up to the hospital and rock that baby.”

BRENDA: Just go up there. Rock this baby. People called out to God. And let me just tell you, Sid, I’m talking the kinds of prayer that will not take no for an answer.

SID: Bottom line.

BRENDA: And so that child was healed, completely made whole.

HANK: Today, beautiful, beautiful.

BRENDA: And beautiful little girl today. A complete miracle.

SID: You know what I love about your book, Hank? This book, “Don’t Leave God Alone”, there’s a presence of God on this that will cause you to be able to want to persevere, to have that breakthrough in every arena of your life. Hank, pray for those young children that are watching right now or the parents that have written their name down.

HANK: Right now, in the name of Jesus of Nazareth, I stretch my hands right through that camera right into where you’re at and in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth I declare the healing power of God over your child, over your baby. I rebuke sickness. I rebuke disease. I declare incurable diseases go in Jesus’ name. And I declare that the same spirit that raised Jesus from the dead touch your baby, touch your child right now. And I declare right now by the authority of Jesus Christ be healed from the top of your head to the souls of your feet. And I see someone right now. You’re touching your child. There’s something with their legs. They haven’t been able to move their legs. I declare now those legs be loose now by the authority of Jesus Christ. And I declare even cerebral palsy, Lord God of Heaven, touch that one right now in the name of Jesus. No, that’s it. Lay your hands upon that child. Lay your hands upon that, no, there’s no distance now as we declare this. Be healed in Jesus’ name. And I declare over your household peace. I declare over your household comfort. And I declare over your house now the healing power of God. And I say, you can even touch where my hand is right now. And I declare whatever your symptom is, whatever your sickness is let the healing power of God now go into your body, go into your home, go into your children now and from this moment forward it shall be different.

BRENDA: Yes, Lord. Jesus.

SID: Hank, you teach that you literally through prayer can change God’s mind? You really believe that.

HANK: That’s what the patriarchs in the Bible did. They’re no different than we are. And Moses, God at one point said, “Moses, leave me alone!” Because he was so angry at how the children of Israel were acting. But Moses did something that we need to do. He said, “I’m not gonna leave you alone, God until you bless the people.” That’s what he said. Jacob was another one. He said, “God, I’m not gonna leave you alone until you bless me.” And that’s what I’ve learned.

BRENDA: That’s right.

SID: Hank, I am not gonna leave you alone. I’m not gonna leave YOU alone until you walk into the most wonderful world in existence. It’s a world where you’re a friend of God’s, where God knows your name. The only way to do this, the entry, the gate is the Messiah of Israel, Yeshua, Jesus, the anointed one. Ask him to wash your sins away and live inside of you via Lord now.

SID:  Hello Sid Roth your investigative reporter here with Pat and Patty McEnnerney, and they hear from God and God shows up sometimes fire. People can see the fire they can smell the smoke burning. And he prayed for someone without a pupil and before his very eyes he saw that pupil come, tell me one other miracle that comes to mind.

PAT:  Dominick – full blown late in the stage of Aids. Had brain meningitis on top of that came to one of our meeting and received the Lord. And got filled with the power of God, got baptized fell back under the power and presence of God and the Lord was speaking to him, and I looked at him because God had spoken to me to cast the demon off.

SID:  Aids is a demon?

PAT:  Yes,

SID:  Okay,

PAT:  Yes, Yes,

SID:  Medical science doesn’t know what it is so it might as well be.

PAT:  You know scientist say if they can figure out what life form cancer was you know they could stop it. And so

SID:  Is cancer a demon?

PAT:  I believe it is, yes,

SID:  I do too.

PAT:  I believe all sickness and disease is the result of sin. And we still have that and many are sick today, but Dominick didn’t look any different, this is the wonderful thing. He looked no different than when he came into the meeting. But I knew he was healed I knew Jesus had healed him. And I charged him, I said Dominick by his stripes, the Lord Jesus Christ, the Messiah the son of God has healed you, now go get your blood tested. And he did.

SID:  And…

PAT:  There was no trace of any disease. Absolutely the doctor couldn’t believe that he was running in and out of the room. Dominick has put 65 pounds on.

SID:  Pat, you told me that before we went on the air that God told you that people with pain, people that are blind, are going to, people that need deliverance such as Dominick did are going to be set free, please pray right now.

PAT:  I would be delighted to. Friends listen to me. In the church today many are in so much pain. This Jesus that I know this relationship that I have with the living God is real. And he loves to demonstrate with power, with miracles of creation. Father, I thank you right now for your presence falling right around all those that are listening right now. Just turn your eyes to Jesus; Jesus is the healer. Right now in Jesus mighty name, I command that strong man of name vaporize right now in Jesus name. By the authority given to me in the mighty name in Jesus Christ, I loose off the power of this pain and I cast it off and I command it not to come back, and I charge the Holy Spirit, to enforce the covenant of life right now. In Jesus name, now those of you that are chair bound stand up right now, those of you that have pain in elbows and shoulders right now lift your arms straight up and worship the Messiah. Step out of where you are right now; step out in the mighty name of Jesus Christ.  He’s real.  And there are some that are listening right now that are blind. One person – been blind since birth; and God says that if we would have His kind of faith, we can move a mountain. And that is a mountain and many others of you have other problems that are a mountain, but I’m telling you right now there is being released right now through the Spirit, the enforcer of the mighty covenant, this New Covenant without any curse through the blood of Jesus Christ. Right now in the mighty name of Jesus. Holy Spirit we charge you to be released in the mighty name of Jesus.  Now open your eyes; open your eyes.  I rebuke the spirit of blindness right now in Jesus mighty name. I command this spirit to submit to the Lordship of Jesus. Be loosed in Jesus Christ of Nazareth’s name. Right now I cast you off and I charge the Holy Spirit right now to consecrate and cover this precious child; this precious son, this precious daughter, with the blood of the Lamb, in Jesus mighty name.  Amen.

SID:  You know many times when you speak like this, you get specific words of knowledge; specific names.  Tell me an example of when you had a specific name and someone’s life was changed.

PAT: Uh, Long Island, New York – four weeks ago.  The Lord spoke three names, gave me their wedding anniversaries and told me what the problem was with their marriage.  And as I was ministering, I called out their names and the dates and everything.  And this is normal, what happens is they come up afterwards and say that’s my wedding anniversary.  This one gentleman was divorcing his wife and a lady came up –same thing. And it was amazing because we see this revelation, or this Rhema word, being released into God’s children, what happens is all of a sudden and their faith explodes and they step into the supernatural.

SID:  Do you know there’s going to be such a great revival; such a great move of God’s spirit. And it’s not going to be those on tv, it’s going to be every – the least – I mean, 2000 years ago, the least believer could walk in the supernatural of God. And we’ve moved to a superstar system, but we already have a superstar – His name is Jesus. And I believe that if you pray for an impartation, very quickly now, that there will be an impartation for the supernatural like they have never seen before.  Do you want to be able to move in this kind of power? Well, just get close to that the television set or that video right now and stretch your faith.  And Pat you pray

PAT: Hallelujah.  And I do have the faith for this right now. Father, in Jesus name, some might be ridiculing, but that’s okay. Open up your heart right now. I charge you to say to the Lord right now, if it’s true, show yourself to me. Right now, Father, in Jesus name, I charge the Holy Spirit to bring a holy fire; bring the holy presence of your presence God, of fear right now. Father I just give you praise for those listening to this right now. That this impartation of the miraculous was given to those that would all say, Lord use me. God I ask for a release right now of a cry in their being to cry out for the true things, the sure things; the things that change lives; the things that bring people back from death out of hell; into your presence; into your kingdom. It’s in the Word Lord. Jesus you are the Word. You are everything. Right now in the mighty name of Jesus, I give you praise for the release of this impartation in the mighty name of Jesus. Amen.

SID:  And I tell you, right now the same words that God Himself spoke to Pat, he’s speaking to you:  “Turn or burn.” Hell is real. Heaven is real. God is real. The devil is real. This is all real. And it’s not an accident you’re watching us right now.  Turn – meaning: turn away from the sin and turn to God, tell him you’re sorry. That’s repentance. You don’t have to use my words; use your words. And ask him to forgive you because his blood will not only wash away your sins, He says “I will remember them no more.” That means you have a clean slate. And then open yourself up to Jesus to live inside of you and be your Lord and just as he cleaned up Pat, he wants to clean you up.  Turn or burn. God is so good, that there is not an accident that you are watching. This is a divine moment in your life, whereas in the past you have shirked off that divine moment. God said to Pat, this is your last chance and I believe there are people I’m speaking to right now:  this is your last chance! Turn or burn! Turn or burn!

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Brenda and Hank Kunneman. And Hank and Brenda, you have walked through it. I think as that young boy before you even knew God you heard His voice. How old were you and what did he say to you?

HANK: I was five years old on the island of Guam when God’s voice came to me the first time. I wasn’t even a Christian. See, God’s reaching out to people even before they even know it.

BRENDA: That’s right.

HANK: And all they have to do is reach back. And He told me, He started talking about living a life. And He talked in elementary terms, living a life that was right, doing what was good. And He showed me and talked to me about His creation, and He created these things for my enjoyment. But I’m gonna tell you. That is the key because it developed something in me and that’s the key for you watching, too, is a hunger for God. You know, reach for Him. That’s the key. Reach for Him. Sometimes, you know, you’re waiting for God to hit you over the head. And, you know, we have to reach towards Him. And one of the things that happened one time, and I didn’t really realize how much God was reaching towards us and how much God really wants to be with us, how much he really loves us, and He longs to be with us. Here’s what happened. I was in my prayer room. And of course, we do what everybody does now. Sometimes being a preacher you put God on your time. You know, you have this much amount of time in my schedule. And so I had one hour. God, you’re gonna get one hour of my time. And I was ready. I was done. I did my religious duty. I spent one hour with God. And so I was getting ready to leave. And soon as I grabbed the door handle of my room I heard the most incredible voice. God still speaks today, Sid. And God said these words to me. He said, “Please!” And I stopped. I thought, who is saying “please” to me? And I heard, “Please don’t leave,” Sid.

SID: God said to you?

HANK: Yes, to me. The Creator of the universe.

SID: Hank Kunneman, said to you? There’s something about you that I need to be in your presence. He needs to be in your presence? He needs to be with you? He needs to be with you. Whether you’ve heard that or not, this is what the Bible says, the truth book. God is not irrespective of persons. If He needs Hank and Brenda he needs you.

BRENDA: That’s right.

HANK: You know, and I’ll tell you how important this is. Brenda and I, we spend a lot of time together with the Lord, but we reach back. And one day, it will come in handy, because when you spend time with God and you take that time to be with Him and hunger is so important. Sid, there’s times as a preacher I have sat with God and I said, “Lord, I don’t feel your presence. I am bored. I don’t like this time. I would rather do something else. But Lord, I’m hungry and I want you and I want your presence.” And it doesn’t sometimes seem like anything is happening at the moment.

SID: But you know what? Someone can be hungry and they don’t see anything happen and then they go and watch the ball game.

BRENDA: Right, right.

HANK: Yes. Right. Well but one thing that Jesus had is his private prayer life produced public power. And that’s where people miss it. They don’t have any public power or any supernatural things because they’re not spending time with God. And I want to tell you. We had a thing happen one time.

BRENDA: Well, you know, I just feel this, too, Sid. I believe as we’re talking, this came right up in my heart by the Lord, is God is speaking even as we’re sitting here. But there are people dealing with loneliness. And I just feel like there’s somebody out there that you’re dealing with loneliness and you’re feeling like, man, does anybody care? And as we’re talking you’re thinking, “Well God, do you care?” And I just want to encourage you. This is your moment to be with God. He does care. You don’t have to be lonely in your life. And so I just want to encourage you. Reach to God like you heard Hank say and like Sid was saying, reach to God because your lonely moments are going to be fulfilled in Him as He’s reaching to you. And so I just feel I’d like to encourage somebody with that by the spirit.

HANK: You know one time, let me tell you what God does. When you spend time with him there’s a presence that He will put on your life. I remember years ago I was a youth minister and I was out playing what we call Capture the Flag, and it was kind of like a hide and seek type game. And all of a sudden I heard a noise and I didn’t hear it in the natural. I heard it in the spirit, but I thought it was in the natural. And it was a loud sounding noise of music, Sid. And all of a sudden I grabbed the youth leaders and I said, “Get all the kids right now.” And it was pretty late at night. It was almost about midnight. I said, “Get all the kids quickly. Get them inside of the church.” And they said, “Why? Why?” I said, “I don’t know. Something”. And I hear this noise. “Get them in now.” And as soon as I said that we started the process of moving all of these kids. And there was quite a few of this youth group. Well there was an off-duty police officer there and he said, “Is everything okay?” And I said, “I don’t know. There’s something wrong.” All of a sudden within 15 minutes later all of these cars come flying into the church parking lot. And it was a bunch of gangs and they had their music going, and it was a really loud sounding bass sound that the older I get, the less tolerant I am of it. But anyway, they got out of their cars and started running towards us. And all of the kids got inside of the building. But me and this off-duty police officer were the only two, and he went to go get his gun. I’m standing there now in the middle of all of these–They started surrounding me with clubs and chains, and stuff. And I’m surrounded by gangs And if it wasn’t for a life of not leaving God alone and crying out for him I would have never had the supernatural presence that is on my life, whether I speak to a president or the lowliest person or surrounded by gangs. And all of a sudden this one gang leader came out and he walked up to me, and he said something I did not understand, and he was reaching in his coat to pull out what was an apparent weapon. Sid, at that moment, you know, you have a choice. You can be like Rocky Balboa. You know, Rocky, yo. I wasn’t Rocky. I wasn’t, “Hey, how do you do?” I felt like Don Knotts. I couldn’t even say anything. I was so scared. I know that doesn’t sound spiritual for those that are watching. You know, I didn’t seem spiritual. But I remember I pointed my finger and I didn’t say anything. All of a sudden their eyes got big, and there must have over a hundred of these gangs. I don’t know what they saw, started running in absolute fear. At that time they got in their cars and went to get away, and as they were so scared what they saw they were hitting each other creating car accidents trying to get out. And this other police officer came by and he said, “What is going on here?” He held up his badge because he was in the city that we were in. And he said, “I’ve never seen them like this. Why are they running?” I believe they saw an angel. I believe they saw angels. I believe God came literally to protect me because of my relationship of not leaving God alone.

SID: I sure hope that Brenda and Hank Kunneman are provoking to jealousy because everything they have, not only is it available to you, God wants it more for you than you want it for yourself. I want to hear some of this supernatural, I mean, God supernaturally protected you. How would you like to walk in supernatural protection? Don’t go away. And by the way, if you have a young child that’s sick, we’re gonna pray for them when we come back.