Sid: My guest Jim Staley is red hot for the Messiah; he has one of the fastest growing ministries in the country. Jim before we went on the air… I’ll tell you this on the air the principles from understanding the Hebrew roots will make a day and light difference in every relationship that people have from marriage to business to friends, everything. I mean it’s so supernatural but I’ve asked you this before but I want to ask you this question again; why in your opinion did the miraculous, the gifts of the Spirit explode in your life and in the life of the people that you teach the Hebrew Roots of the faith and about Israel; why did it explode in their lives?
Jim: Because there’s ancient principles that are found in God’s word that it’s very simple this why He calls us children of God and not adults of God. He gives us very simple principles; we want to make it very complicated but He stands before His people. It’s a great example that I love to give with ancient Israelites is standing before the mountain of God, Mount Sinai. God comes before them and says “Guys here’s the deal, if you keep My commandments you’ll be blessed. If you don’t you’re not going to be blessed; so it’s your choice I’m going to love you either way but if you want your blessing you’ve got to kind of do what I want you to do because I created all of this stuff, and I know what works the best.” So that principle has never ended because it started in the garden said the same thing “Hey if you want the best for you eat from this tree; if you don’t then eat from that tree; I’m going to love you either way but it’s your call.” That same principle that ancient principle is the same do things… do Bible things in Bible ways and do what God says and we’ll be supernaturally blessed. So I did not know that there were things in my life that I was out of alignment with God and so I like to look at it as pipes in a house. If your pipes are clogged you’re not going to get a whole lot of water coming out of the pipes and it will be terrible to take a shower with just drips of water coming out. And I believe for the most part in Christianity we’ve been all kind of underneath the spout waiting for just drips of water to come out, when I believe the water is full on at the house; it’s just that our pipes are clogged. And those pipes I call it an audit or a church audit or a self-audit; we’ve got to look at our life like the Israelites did because that’s our pattern. That was the disciples pattern and say “What is in my life that is offending God and I don’t even know I’m out of alignment and like a tire out of alignment we’ll wear faster and the car won’t go straight.” But when we make the alignment we take the spiritual principles and we audit our life and this is what this DVD series really does for relationships. People walk away and they go I never knew that I was out of alignment in that area; they repent and they fix it and God supernaturally breaks through a little more water and the next thing you know their garden starts growing. And that’s what this whole thing is all about; discovering what those principles are, auditing our relationships for success and on the other side when you institute those relationship principles you will become successful.
Sid: Okay, let’s take a specific person. Tell me about the nephew of one of the champion fighters in the world Mohammed Ali. What happened to him? What difference did it make in his life?
Jim: You know even Ali is a good friend of mine and he attends our congregation and he’s the nephew of Mohammed Ali like you said. And he was a professional boxer himself and just like his uncle and fought and broke all kinds of records just like his uncle. But he had that up and down life of his mother was a Christian; his father was a Muslim; his father was the brother of Mohammed Ali. Very confusing growing up if you could image how you live a life spiritually with those kinds of spiritual things happen in your house. Being a professional boxer he really struggled with all the fame and the glory and all the women and the money and he never could get his life together. But it was when God showed him to get to the Christian roots to get back to his roots; getting back to his roots of Christianity and getting into the Hebrew mindset that he got turned on to our ministry and it wasn’t too long after that that God began to challenge him big time into making some changes in his life. He didn’t even know that he was out of alignment until he came into covenant with the Mishpochah, a family as you say, a church family that understood these principles and said “These are the principles that are out of alignment in your life.” And when he made alignment in those principles God gave him supernatural favor and he’s tremendously articulate and has a huge heart for witnessing to the Muslim people.
Sid: Okay, I am amazed at the wisdom that you brought forth from the studying the scriptures from a Hebraic understanding that help any relationship walk under the same favor Jewish people historically walked under that Christians have historically have not walked under in every arena of life of relationships. But let’s talk a little bit about marriage; tell me some of the revelation you found that not only saved your own marriage but has saved large numbers of people’s marriages.
Jim: Yeah, listen one of the most amazing things that God has shown me is that because… listen I never went to college; I’m just a regular Joe, I’m not a televangelist. I’m just a guy that is just trying to figure this out just like everybody else. But one of the things that turns me on more than anything is science; I love science and science is all through the Bible. And when you take science and you connect it with the original Hebrew language out comes incredible supernatural things. For instance, one of the things that I discovered through the Hebrew language that is totally related to marriage is in the Holy of Holies, okay. Which we know that the temple which is we’re called the temple of the Holy Spirit so there’s a connection in the language there that God’s trying to tell us something. “Go back and look at the temple.” He’s not just using these expressions as just for fun, He’s trying to give us clues that there is relationship rules and instructions; there’s quote Torah built into the temples.” And so I went back to the temple; started looking at all of the words and I discovered something amazing. First of all, the entire temple itself is of literally a man; all of the Hebrew words the gate that walks in. The posts that are hang the door as you walk in the east gate those; that word for post is the word shoulder in Hebrew. So the very shoulders of God are literally found in the gate; but when you get into the Holy of Holies, this is so amazing; there is the Arc of Covenant and everyone’s familiar with the Arc of the Covenant but very few people know that the Arc of the Covenant is split into 2 pieces. There’s the actual Arc on the bottom; the big chest that is found inside of it. The rod that bloomed, the almond rod and the jar of manna and the commandments. But on top of that is the mercy seat that’s separate that it has the cherubim that are on top of it. Well those 2 words are completely different Hebrew words and the mercy seat in Hebrew is feminine; it’s a feminine word. And in the Arc of Covenant it’s a male word and it show us that the 2 work in conjunction together. He did not have to make them 2 different parts He made them 2 on purpose and he even put them in order on which one goes on top to show us how they complement one another. Because inside the arc of the covenant which represents the husband or the male is found the 10 Commandments. So the rule the husband should know the word of God. Number 2 he should have access the spiritual part of the word of God which is the daily rhema word of God; the spiritual gifts. And he should also have the rod of Aaron that blooms and that represents spiritual authority that’s handled beautifully because it’s flowered. But on top of that he not just… He’s the foundation because he’s on the bottom. But what’s on top is the mercy seat which is the wife; and how many families know this that the husband is the lawgiver; he’s the one that brings down the commandments but it’s the wife that always says “Honey, you know you need to be a little bit nicer to the children or whatever.” And that’s because it says in the Bible remember the scripture it says “Mercy triumphs over judgment.” That is an illusion to the Arc of the Covenant; where mercy is the most powerful attribute in that the Arc of the Covenant in the Holy of Holies. And that’s just one example now; here’s something amazing alongside of that; speaking of the word side. The word side when it says the size of the walls of the Arc of the Covenant; I looked up that Hebrew word and would you believe that that word side of the Arc of the Covenant is the exact same Hebrew word in the garden of Eden where God says “I’m going to take the rib of Adam and I’m going to make Eve.” And so literally the Arc of the Covenant is the rib cage of God; and what’s inside the rib cage is nothing less than the heart of God. Now why is that so important, catch this this is amazing; what is the heart of God? The heart of God according to the ancient Hebrew scriptures the very first letter in our Bible is the letter bet; the very last letter in the Torah the book of Deuteronomy is a lamed. When you put the lamed and the bet together which is the entire Jewish community you know was all about; was the Torah. It was the instructions of God; the word of God that became flesh. The lev and the bet together is lev and that word in Hebrew is heart. The very heart of God was the commandments of God because it brought life and that’s what He put inside His chest or the rib cage. So every man or husband; this why the Jewish community is so powerful and successful is because many of them grow up and what are they learning? The heart of God, look at David who is the man after God’s own heart. And what did he say more than anything in the longest chapter in the Bible 176 verses you won’t find a verse where he doesn’t say “I love the commandments of God; I love to learn His precepts and His rule book.” Why? That’s how you learn the heart of God; if you want the power of God you got to know His heart and it starts in the Arc of the Covenant and every relationship is connected to it.
Sid: Tell me of everything you’ve learned what would you say is the most important thing in communication between husbands and wives?
Jim: Well there’s 10 they can find in the 10 rules but if I tend to pick out 1 I would probably have to come up with this is that “Husbands number 1 mistake that they make is they don’t listen; we do not know how to listen.” We’re really good at talking and we’re really good at defending ourselves and we’re really good at criticizing and judging, but we’re not very good at listening. And one of the ancient principles is listen until they’re finished and I pull out the scripture in the book of Job, it’s my favorite scripture in the entire Bible on the subject where Job has this attitude and God is a bit offended at Job. So God comes to Job and Job begins to defend himself, this is a perfect marriage relationship in as a matter of fact any relationship this is how it goes. This is one person goes to the other person expresses their feelings of hurt and the one that’s being dumped on gets offended at the persons emotions. Well, here’s a classic example Job gets offended that God’s offended and pretty soon Job catches on that he’s the clay and not the potter and he does a miraculous thing that changes his life, he shuts his mouth.
Sid: Whoop’s we’re out of time; we both have to shut our mouths.
Sid: As I said yesterday my guest that’s an understatement; his name Samuel Kanco. He’s from Ghana, Africa. He comes from 4 generations of witchdoctors; he is the first one to get free. And when people are in Africa they understand the invisible realm; believers or nonbelievers a like because they’re dealing with it all of the time. Here in the United States we’re trained as a child seeing is believing. And it’s very difficult for us to walk in the faith arena where it’s almost natural for someone from Africa to walk in that type of arena. Now Samuel explained that he was taught how to contact various categories of demons. And he said that there was a place that his spirit would go right under the sea for 12 years and it was a beautiful place and there were inventions there; like he saw the computer before it even was invented. He saw cars before they were invented and many of these items are used as points of contact not necessarily the computer itself but many of these items is used as points of contact for almost like voodoo to control the people. And then I said “You told me the tragedy of tragedies that happened here in America you knew about from this place under the sea.” How did you know about it from there?
Samuel: Whatever that happens to us very very negatively has been planned way before it happens in the realm of the spirit before it comes physically.
Sid: How long ago did you know about 9/11?
Samuel: I think it wasn’t 9/11 it was destruction, it was destruction.
Sid: I see you didn’t know exactly you just knew that…
Samuel: All I knew was destruction and some more to come you know but I didn’t know the type of destruction, or the type of method that it was going to use, to get into this country. But I knew, I knew that every country has its own rules, it has its own destruction.
Sid: Now I want to take you to a time where you went to bed and someone kept trying to wake you up and you heard a voice say something very strange to you; tell me about that.
Samuel: Now before I was converted one day I was around in town and the something unusual happened to me. So I came home around 7 – 7:30 to 8:00 to sleep; when I got to bed and I was sleeping I ran between 2, between 1 and 2 someone woke me up. Like I said, if one was 7 the demon come you cannot sleep more than 2 hours but at that particular time I was not on duty. So when I heard a voice I got up and I tried to contact south, west, east and north to see whether there’s something. When I contacted it would not contact; I contact and it would not contact. And then I told them any way I’m not on duty so even nobody’s going to mind me; I’m going back to sleep. I went back to sleep again the attack came. I got up then this time I realized that it wasn’t the normal voice and the normal thing that I knew but this is different. But though I didn’t know what was wrong and what was happening. And then about 5:30 said “Go and have your bath and then put on your clothes and then go assemble a watch.” I said “When we are destroying we don’t bathe. What does bath have to do with our work?” He says “No, go bath.” You see in the realm of demon you have to obey before you can complain. So I rush to the bathroom, took my bath, dressed and then said “Now go to the Assembly of God.” And I said “But we don’t go to the Assembly of God.” I mean the laws of the land would take you on if you go physically we do it spiritually.”
Sid: What do you mean you had been in a church in the spirit?
Samuel: No, it’s as you go there physically you know after I had taken my bath.
Sid: Normally you might go somewhere spiritually.
Sid: I see.
Samuel: So we don’t like physically, because if you try to do physical things the laws of the land will take care of that.
Sid: I see.
Samuel: Are you understanding me?
Sid: Yes, I see
Samuel: If I want to kill you I must spirit because we don’t have laws; that has to do with spiritual things. But you have laws that have to do with physical things.
Sid: So this voice tells you to get out of bed, take a bath, which makes no sense to you, and then to go to a church in your body.
Samuel: Which is no sense at all.
Samuel: And so I have felt a hand on the back of my pants raised my two legs and started pushing me to the Assembly of God. No what made me realize that it wasn’t the normal spirit or the normal demons I noticed that when I came out of my room they started hooting at me “Whooo, whooo.” And when they started hooting at me.
Sid: So these demons were hooting at you.
Samuel: Yeah the demons were “Whooo, whooo” when they were doing that I realized that something has happened but I didn’t know what was happening because I mean Jesus is far, far from me. So I went to the church got into the church, sat down listened to the message, went to receive Jesus. The preacher was not sure, he said “My friend if you think that you are coming to do….”
Sid: Wait a second now, now come on now. Why… here you’re a 4th generation witchdoctor this voice tells you to go to the church; you go to the church. Why did you go up to accept Jesus; you didn’t even know who Jesus was.
Samuel: I don’t know.
Sid: Why did you go up?
Samuel: I went there under instructions the voice was speaking to me.
Sid: So you follow what they said no matter what.
Samuel: I follow what they did no matter what. Then the guys knew me very well that I’m a dangerous guy. So as I went forward as I was commanded to do the man said “Hey guy you want to come up and mess us up here. Here is Jesus,” he knew me, there is no way I would come to church, there is no way but they didn’t know what was happening to me and so I went there received Christ and then 12:00 I got out of the church the hand was there pushed me into my room. When he pushed me into my room…
Sid: A supernatural hand pushed you into a room.
Samuel: I went to bed 12:00 day noon, around 7, 8, 9:00 in the night 10:00 someone woke me up. When I opened my eyes I saw a white man with a tongues of crown with the blood coming. I said, “Me, I didn’t kill any white man, I didn’t kill any white man I thought you see, I didn’t kill.” My jaw was locked but I was saying in my head, “I never kill any white man; it was blacks.” So if black would have appeared I would understand I never killed any white man. Then he disappeared and so in the morning I went to my pastor and I said “My pastor, I know I kill, look I know I kill people but I don’t remember the time I killed any white man.” Now Jesus is white man who comes with the thorns, with the blood and looking at me and He…
Sid: So you saw thorns on his head, you saw blood on a white man, you didn’t know it was Jesus.
Samuel: I didn’t know who the man was.
Sid: So you went to the pastor at the Assembly of God Church and what did he tell you?
Samuel: Then he started laughing at me. I said “For God sake would you explain to me; I never killed any white man!” I said I never; I said never. I tell the truth, if I did I didn’t. He prayed with me, I went there slept exactly about that time the man came again with the same thing but my jaw I could not say it because my jaw was locked. But I was saying “I never killed any white man; for God sake guy you know I’ve killed this man I had never met him before.” Now on the 3rd time he says “For this reason that I came I was nailed on the cross; I died on the third day, I resurrected, I forgive you all of your sins, whatever the killings everything I have forgiven you. Now I am coming very soon so I want you to now go to my church and speak to them about what you have done and what you have seen and what you can do to help them.” Then He disappeared. I ran 4:00 in the morning I rushed to my pastor and said “The man has spoken and I know that I didn’t kill the white man.” They said “What did he say I said “He says He died because of me; He has forgiven me all of my sins; all my killings.” I asked the pastor “But did the man know what He’s talking about; I’ve killed though.” And they started laughing at me he said he has forgiven me all of my sins and has forgiven me everything and now He will make me stand before His church and speak about these things.” So I told the Pastor, “Please come with me I cannot stand in the whole church and tell them what I have done in this city.”
Sid: All of the people you’ve killed.
Samuel: “Killed, I’ll be arrested!”
Samuel: And the Pastor said “No, no, no when the time comes He’s going to push His anointing on you and you will speak and nothing will happen.” I said, “No, I have done so much.” And so that is how I got born again and so eventually Full Gospel Businessmen International come to my country and so they approached me. I told them everything that I knew about demonic world. And they said “Come and tell us your story.” So it was Full Gospel Businessman Fellowship platform that I stood for the first time to speak about my life. That was the time that I saw people collapsing and people crying and people on the floor I nearly jumped out the window.
Sid: Are you talking about they’re getting delivered?
Samuel: They were getting delivered.
Sid: Okay, we’re out of time will pick up right here on tomorrows broadcast. Too few Christians understand the invisible world of demons…
Sid: We want everyone everywhere when you go to sleep there’s many reasons for going to sleep but you know what the most important is when you go to sleep? You are in a perfect position to hear God clearer than any point in your day. And rather than waste that time like most people they’re pragmatic and they say “Well, there pizza dreams I don’t know if they’re from God or not. And if they are from God frankly I don’t understand them so as far as I’m concern… and if I get 3 dream experts to tell me what the dream means they all say different things, yet this is so important from God; what do I do I’m confused!” And that’s why I have Laura Harris Smith on the telephone; I’m so excited about her book “Seeing the Voice of God.” That’s your dreams Laura, when we were off the air we were talking about your dream dictionary even before we get to that would you address all of those questions I just raised?
Laura: (Laughing) Yes, and they are wide spread whether I’m being spoken to just a person on the streets or a DJ or a television host; they all bring up those same ones; so they are very relevant. I would say to the person who wonders if they only had a pizza dream I would remind them about Ezekiel and his wheels with eyes and all of those other crazy symbols. Thank goodness that Ezekiel did not discount what he saw; so a lot of times what you think is a pizza dream is actually an invitation for you to seek the Holy Spirit. Now I had a DJ ask me yesterday “Why can’t God just give me a literal dream? Why does he have to be so symbolic I don’t like it when He’s symbolic?” And I said very boldly “Oh you mean you don’t like to use your faith?”
Laura: And he reared his head back and just laughed out loud. Jesus taught in parables when He was on the earth and He’s still speaking in parables today. So yes, sometimes it’s a pizza dream, but more often than not it’s an invitation for you to seek God for an interpretation.
Sid: Tell me about the dream that you had tied in when we asked you to be a guest on our radio and television program.
Laura: Yes, well there were actually two one morning I had a waking dream that I was…
Sid: Excuse me “What’s a waking dream?”
Laura: Okay, a waking dream is it’s just a dream that you have as soon as you awake announcing something; it’s definitely a prophetic dream. It’s one that sticks with you; you know it just gnaws at you all day. As soon as you get up it’s fresh it’s right there as if it’s saying “Do something with me you know.”
Sid: So what was that awaking dream?
Laura: So this was a waking dream where I saw myself big and pregnant. Now I had 6 children so this is an analogy that God knows I will understand. And in the dream there was this random other person that I rarely talk to and that was interesting; what on earth there was no real action in the dream it was just me big and pregnant and then this person. Alright next morning I wake up to a dream that a hand is knocking on a door; now it was not my hand so I was not knocking on a door. I saw another person’s hand they were knocking on a door and I heard the Lord say “Opportunity knocks.” And so I thought wow these two put together I wonder if there is a big opportunity I’m about to give birth to. And hours later I got a call from your people to be on your program. And the interesting thing about the random person, don’t ever dismiss a random symbol or person especially I hardly ever communicate with emailed me that night with a question and a prayer request. That was God’s timeline that was God’s way of confirming “Yes this is the opportunity I showed you in your dream.”
Sid: Now when you…let’s take that. Is there anything you do about it or you just have an expectancy when you have a dream such as you just described?
Laura: Right, well there’s definitely expectancy and there’s definitely prayer. But I didn’t see myself knocking on doors; and my personality is such that I would go knocking and so God was very good to show me that I was just to sort of just wait and pray but definitely be expectant but wait for the knock. So when it came I probably… I remember telling you that day you probably blew dry your hair with the information I was so excited. (Laughing) It come to pass so fast God is so good; I didn’t know you, you didn’t know me but immediately when the opportunity came I knew that it was something I was supposed to do because the Lord had gone before me with this instruction.
Sid: Okay, let’s go back to your book which is called “Seeing the Voice of God” it has over 1000 symbols in the Dream Dictionary. You told me that you researched them from the Bible, can you give me an example?
Laura: Well sure, I’ll give you a couple of examples of ways that I had to handle this; first of all let me say that when my publisher heard that I wanted to do over a 1000 symbols they said “Are you really sure that you want to do that?” And I said “Oh, sure it would be just wonderful nobody has ever done it before.” Well about 500 symbols into it I thought “Jesus, what have I bitten off, this is really hard writing a dictionary; especially because I wanted each symbol to be somehow you know rooted in scripture. So let’s say I’ll just give you a couple of examples, let’s say you dream about a groom okay. Well, if your already married you know that you don’t need to get another groom, or if you’re a man I would say and it does say in the dictionary that Jesus is the bridegroom and I base that on John 3:29. But let’s say if there’s a symbol that you dream about a modern symbol and it’s not in scripture that’s going to happen. So let’s take a rearview mirror for example. What I would say to that obviously because that is not in scripture anywhere is I list the scripture from Philippians it talks about how “Forgetting that which lies behind and reaching forward to what is ahead.” And I would offer that to the reader as a place where they can pray. So this dream dictionary is not one to confirm your feelings or say “Oh, you dreamed about this because you were feeling such and such.” Who cares about feelings you know it’s about what God is trying to say to you. So most symbols have one sometimes two but sometimes 3 scripture verses so that you can… you know the jumping off point so that you can say “Here’s the symbol I dreamed and here’s the scripture I’m going to pray as a result of that symbol.”
Sid: What feedback are you getting from people that have a dream and then look it up in the dream dictionary?
Laura: Yeah, well let me just say that by the time I get to the breakfast table this morning I already had 3 requests for dream interpretations, two in my own house. (Laughing)
Laura: I’m so happy I’ve written this book now and can just say “Okay, go look in chapter 7.” But honestly it has been wonderful to even have the nature of the emails that I sometimes get for dream interpretation changed. Now people aren’t writing and asking me for something they’re writing and saying “This is the symbol and this is what it means and so guess what I did and guess what I’m going to do and here’s the decision that I’m going to make.” So that’s the kind of responses so far and I’m and it’s a sobering thing honestly Sid when I wrote it and I finished it I thought “This chapter, the dream dictionary is what is going to keep seeing ‘The Voice of God’ on people’s night stands long after they finish reading it.” And that was a sobering thought to think that sleepy eyed you know risers were going to turn over and look to this thing and make decisions with it. So it was written with much prayer even fasting. A lot of the symbols were gained through interpretation were gained through years of study and prayer. So I’m really excited about it; probably in the book like I said I think it’s one of those things that will set it apart from the other dream interpretations.
Sid: Tell me about because you list so many I never realized that there was so many different types of dreams but you not only list them you explain them and you even have examples of how they operated in your life. Tell me what a warning dream is.
Laura: A warning dream is just what it sounds like it’s giving you some information you need to be aware of. I want to really quickly say that a warning dream is not fate; sometimes people might be really what’s the word I’m looking for? They might be tempted to think that it’s a nightmare but really it’s God saying “Here’s what the enemy has up his sleeve.”
Sid: So what do you do when you get a warning dream?
Laura: Well, I definitely pray and I tell you when you have a waking dream that’s doubly emphasized; so I look in scripture and I look to Matthew 2 and I just see they’re listed right there two of the most important warning dreams of all times. Without them the salvation of the world would never had occurred. First it was to the wise men they had been commissioned by Herod to find the Christ child not realizing he wanted to them to report back to them so that he could find Jesus and kill him. So verse 12 says “And having been warned in a dream not to go back to Herod they returned to their country by another route.” And then immediately in the next verse 13 God’s protection continues. It says “When they had gone an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream ‘Get up take the child and his mother and escape to Egypt.’” So warning dreams are so so important; I can give you an example of a personal one God warned me about. He’s kept me out of so much trouble Sid (Laughing) I can’t even tell you how grateful I am too.
Sid: Tell me one.
Laura: Okay, one is I woke up on a Sunday morning, or as I was waking I had this waking warning dream and this huge… I was standing in front of my church and I looked. I was facing away from the church and I look and this huge wrecking ball is coming towards the church and because I’m standing between it it’s coming at me. And it stopped right before it got to my face.
Sid: I’ll tell you what we’ve really run out of time; we’ll pick up with that dream tomorrow and what you did about it because a lot of people have warning dreams. And I want to find out exactly what she did about it.
Sid: Can you imagine being able like Paul said “I knew a man whether it was in his body or not in his body but he was caught up into the 3rd heaven.” Well I have a guest that was caught up into the 3rd heaven and he tells me that once he has done something in the spirit then he has the faith to keep doing it. For instance, James Durham you told me that when you’ve been healed of something physically you have the faith to pray for other people to be healed of the same conditions. Tell me two conditions you’ve been healed of personally.
James: I’ve been healed of rotor cuff damage in both shoulders and I was told coming out of the army I needed both knees to be replaced. But Dr. Jesus took care of all four of those situations and…
Sid: And I’ll tell you one thing that I’m interested in personally you notice what I have on a pair of glasses. God healed your eyes.
James: That’s correct.
Sid: What did He do?
James: All of my life I wore trifocals and I had to have those glasses for everything and I suddenly began to think that my glasses were dirty or foggy. Took them off and they were clear, clean and as I had my glasses off I looked and I could see without the glasses. So the distant vision and the near vision both were healed; only thing remaining and I’m believing for it any time now is for reading.
Sid: Well I tell you what I’ll tell you what intrigues me even more than anything we’ve said and if that’s not enough… by the way do you go to 3rd heaven every day?
James: Almost every day; I went every day for three years, two months and two weeks. But now almost every day I was there this morning.
Sid: Did you get any instructions this morning; was that the words that you prayed yesterday the words of knowledge or Monday I think?
James: I received something a little different that added on to something that you teach about the middle wall of separation coming down.
Sid: Tell me what it was; what did you see?
James: What I saw was the separation between heaven and earth coming down.
James: Instead of me going up to heaven, heaven coming down to me. And I saw where Jesus said many times that the Kingdom of heaven is at hand; it’s not some long distance away it’s not far far away. And this morning I saw the physical things in front of me just disappeared and I was looking into that worship room, the throne room in heaven and I was in my room and partially in that room at the same time. And I believe that that wall of separation is coming down in this…
Sid: It’s almost like a veil that’s being removed.
James: Yes like 2nd Corinthians 3:18 “All of us with unveiled faces can begin to see the glory of God like in a mirror and then move from glory to glory.”
Sid: I have to believe that this is happening right now because we’re so close to the return of Jesus.
James: Yes. That’s my understanding that we’re so close that God’s breaking down every barrier, every separation. And even that wall dividing heaven and earth is down at this time.
Sid: Okay, another thing that intrigues me, I mean there’s so much Mishpochah he’s doing what he’s supposed to do he’s provoking this Jew to jealousy. I hope he’s provoking you to jealousy too. But one time you went to 3rd heaven and when you got back something was going on with your hands they were like on fire. Tell me the circumstances of this.
James: When I visited in heaven the Lord put a stone in each hand; in the left hand was a ruby that was about the size of an egg and it began to melt into my hand. As it did my hand just caught on fire; I asked the Lord what that was and He said “That was the love of the Father and that He was imparting that for me to release that to other people to release the love of the Father.” Especially I think that we’re in a fatherless generation around the world and people are crying out for the love of the Father.
Sid: What does this do for a person when they receive the love of the Father?
James: I think they feel acceptance; they suddenly feel connected a connection they never had before without a father they’re not really connected to their history.
Sid: So you’re talking to half of the people probably in America…
Sid: …when you’re talking that. So your hands were on fire in the 3rd heaven; what happened when you got to earth?
James: When I got back to earth they were still on fire and it was a very painful fire and the only relief I could get was to put my hands under s cold water faucet and to let them cool off but as soon as I pulled them back out from under the faucet they were on fire again.
Sid: Now when you touch people could they feel your hands were warm; like your wife if she touched your hands would she know that they were on fire?
James: Yes she would and sometimes because she started to experiencing it because I know that it’s transferable because she started experiencing it a few days after that experience I had. Sometimes when we’re praying over people they say “The fire is so hot it’s like it’s burning their skin.”
Sid: Now did you see a physical healing when you would lay hands on people?
James: Yes, when that fire is present and especially the fire in the right hand releases the healing anointing and the left was the Father’s love. But in the right hand was for healing and the presence of that fire just heals so many different things we’ve seen.
Sid: You know what I’d like you to pray right now if you don’t mind; we’re living in a generation even those that have had relatively good fathers compared to thee Father’s love it’s nothing. I believe that you can pray a prayer right now of impartation for everyone that wants this to receive the Father’s love; would you pray that James right now?
James: Yes I will. Father God I give You thanks and praise that You are love; that You release such an overpowering wave of love into our hearts that it literally changes us forever. Father God I ask right now that You release that and I release an impartation into everyone listening to this that You would let the flow the wave of Your love flow over them, in them, through them Lord; let it be a life changing experience of acceptance of love empowering; cleansing, purifying. Lord connect them with their inheritance of the generations of the faithful; Lord restore them to unity level of glory with You; and I pray it right now release that impartation in the Name of Yeshua haMashiach, Amen and Amen.
Sid: Well there’s such a sweet; that’s the only way that I can describe it… sweet flow of God’s Spirit. Now when you go to the 3rd heaven James you hear things about the future for even countries. For instance you’ve even heard things about Israel, about the United States, about Korea. Korea’s been a lot in the news; especially the character the president of North Korea. What’s going to happen to Korea from what God’s tell you?
James: From what God’s telling me is that we’re looking in the very near future to another regime change in the north that’s going to be much more moderate. And I heard the Lord say “That they’ll even be another one after that and it’s going to open the flood gate for evangelists from south Korea to sweep into north Korea and restore them to Father God.” Standing on the demilitarize zone in 2010 I felt such a pain in my heart; the Holy Spirit let me feel some of His grief over the lost souls in North Korea. And I know that…
Sid: I understand that it’s horrific for those that become Christian’s that they go off to slave labor camps and usually die.
James: And even now public executions; they’re accused of terrible crimes; the crimes that they’re accused of pornography and other things, but the pornography that they’re talking about is their watching Christian video’s, reading the Bible; reading devotional books, public executions, just terrible persecution and yet they persist.
Sid: Now what do you see as far as when South Korea is free to evangelize North Korea; what’s going to happen to Korea as a country?
James: I think that Korea as a country is going to just release a powerful flow of revival that will reach around the whole world. When this happens there is going to be an explosion of glory that moves throughout the world. I don’t think that anyone will be able to ignore what happens in North Korea. When that wall comes down and the masses of people are introduced to their Father God and to Yeshua it will get the attention of the whole world.
Sid: But I’m reminded in the 9th Chapter of Romans it says of the Jewish people of them is the glory. What is God showing you about the glory and Israel?
James: The Lord is telling that it’s going to happen simultaneously that…
James: That there’s going to be a release of evangelistic Spirit in Israel that’s going to also get the attention of the whole world. That’s why I pray that the powerful prophetic words will be released along with the Shalom of God over Israel to lead them back to Him through Yeshua haMashiach. And I just see that there’s going to be a wave of glory and of revival in Israel that will catch the attention of the whole world.
Sid: And how about the United States; are we Swiss cheese; what’s going to happen to us. (Laughing)
James: (Laughing) I think that when we see those things happening it’s going to provoke us to jealousy and there’s going to be an opening; a powerful opening of the United States. I just see God positioning people now along the interstate highways to begin to pray for a flow of the Spirit; a move of the Holy Spirit in revival to crisscross around the United States.
Sid: When you say revival draw me a picture with words; what is this going to look like?
James: Well the amazing thing is that God keeps telling me that He’s going to do something completely new; so new that we don’t even have words yet to describe it. I believe that…
Sid: I like that that means the religious people will say “I’ve never seen that before” as if they know everything of God. (Laughing) And they’re going to miss it.
James: Absolutely, they will and my prayer is that I won’t miss it and that you won’t miss it.
Sid: Good. And my prayer is that those listening to us will not miss it. And you know what you’re not going to; you’re hungry for God….
Sid: I don’t know a better way of being red hot for the Messiah than to find out exactly what He did for us. And this is Passover week and that’s why I’m so excited about the book we’re making available it’s called “The Passion What Does it Mean?” And we’ve seen the passion the movie perhaps through perhaps Catholic eyes but we have not seen the passion through Jewish eyes. And that’s the only way that you can understand the depth and the riches of the Passion. I have the author Dr. Bree Keyton on the telephone here I’m speaking to her at her home in Kansas City… I promised our Mishpochah that we would play the selection called “Nails.” Tell me about what this means and what happens when people listen to this particular music.
Bree: Jesus was the most violent offender to the kingdom of darkness that’s every lived and that’s why He was nailed to the cross. Now your listeners are about to hear this song “Nails” and I want them to know that nails were put in His hands and feet to deliver us to set us free from all of the attacks of Satan against our souls, against our bodies, against our mind. And so when you listen to this if you will just lay your hand on your belly and if you feel a stirring just let God set you free. This is a powerful song and it’s based on the authority given the believer in Luke 10:19 which says “Behold I have given you power to trend on serpents and scorpions and over all of the power of the enemy.” That means the enemy does have power but He’s given us authority over it; and this is part of what this song will do is to set you free; to deliver you and bring you into a closer more intimate walk with the Lord.
Sid: Okay, “Nails.”
Sid: That was “Nails” by Dr. Bree Keyton and this came out of several years of fasting; actually originated from a vision she had in May of 1993 where she saw the Messiah being crucified, she saw the passion. And as a matter of fact on Monday’s broadcast we played a song in which you hear the whip cracking 39 times and what does that mean Bree?
Bree: Of course we know from scripture Isaiah 53 is an absolutely marvelous picture of the coming suffering of the Messiah. It is amazing to me that the people did not recognize Him when He came but the suffering of the Messiah for us to be healed; for us to be delivered. And Isaiah 53 really deals with that in depth. There have been a number of people just sovereignly healed by God; getting up out of wheelchairs. There’s a particular woman I was doing a concert in the park the summer… a couple of summers ago I could remember her clearly as I did this song I could see her face begin to light up. I went out and I touched her hat and I said “Rise and walk” and this woman got up out of a wheelchair, she had not walked in 15 years. And she got up and strength came into her legs and she walked up and down praising God and giving glory to God. And that’s of course my only goal is bring glory to God; these songs were really His and they really bring close to us that how much Jesus suffered for us that we might be healed, we might be delivered, and most of all that we might be saved.
Sid: Now Bree, you had this vision of May 1993 in which you saw Jesus’ suffering which Mel Gibson’s movie was almost nothing compared to the suffering that you saw Him go through. But I can see how God’s prepared the vessel you’ve gone through a lot of suffering in your life. As a matter of fact you should be dead. Tell me what happened, you were a nightclub singer before you became a believer in the Messiah. Tell me what happened.
Bree: Yes, I was a warm up back for rock stars by brother and I traveled the country from the time we were little kids and we’d come out and do the warm up and then the rock idol or whoever it was would come out and do their whole show. And of course we had a nightclub act where we came out and sang and danced. And one night a man nobody knows who he was, nobody knows why this happened, but he came in the back ad shot me in the head. Now I fell forward and I was taken to the hospital, the man got away and nobody ever knew who it was. And he got away and they took me to the hospital, dug the bullet out of my head, washed it out with salt water, x-rayed it and said “Go home.” And that doesn’t sound possible to me Bree, it sounds like it’s a miracle. It was a miracle but you know Sid; there was somebody praying for me all of those years that I was in the world and it was a family friend who was a Christian man and he just stood in the gap for me and prayed and prayed and never would give up. I just wish that everybody would do that; they would think of somebody to pray for that just looks impossible. But I know that I looked impossible because I was so ensconced in show business that I was so deep into that lifestyle it was just a miracle that I ever came out of it.
Sid: What about the time that you were screaming like Janis Joplin; what happened to your voice box?
Bree: You know I was in a rock band that later those guys became the Ozark Mountain Daredevils, but at that time we were in a band called Albatross. I was on stage screaming on a Janis Joplin song and my throat pour and blood gushed out and I fell forward onto the audience; it seems I do a lot of that doesn’t it. And they took me home; I went to the doctor and they said “You’ll never sing or speak again; you’ve destroyed your voice.” And so I really was heartbroken because unfortunately music was my god at that time. And I thought “Oh no, my life is over, I couldn’t image doing anything else.” And one day I actually had a good friend who had been a Pentecostal believer at one time, of course he wasn’t living a very godly life at that time, but he said “Why don’t you just get on your knees and ask God to heal your voice.” And I thought “Aha, an epiphany what an idea.” So I waited till everyone had left and I got down on my knees and I said, of course I couldn’t speak out-loud I just mouthed these words, I said “God if you’re really there heal my voice and I’ll give it to You.”
Sid: Bree we’re out of time we’ll pick up here on tomorrow’s broadcast I got to find out what happened to someone that’s a professional singer and their voice box is ripped out.