SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. So few believers today understand an eastern covenant. As a result, most believers today misunderstand God. As a result, many believers today say, God works in mysterious ways. Have you ever heard him say that? Well for believers, it’s not supposed to be a mystery and some of the questions that you have been asking God, God, why am I still sick? God, why did my uncle die of cancer? God, why am I in poverty? You’re about ready to get the answer. I have to tell you, when I first read the statement by Craig Hill, he’s my friend, but he said, God is not in control, and I said, “Craig, are you meshuga?” That’s the Hebrew word for crazy. And he responded…
CRAIG: You know, Sid, I am meshuga, meshuga for Messiah. Everybody has to be meshuga for somebody, so I prefer to be meshuga for Messiah. But you know, talking about that issue, when I say God is not in control, of course I’m not saying that God is not all powerful. I believe God is all powerful. God is all knowing. But what I think many people mistake is the difference between the concept of sovereignty and control. I believe God is sovereign, but not in control. And the reason is, is control implies using your power to manipulate people and circumstances to force a desired outcome. And sovereignty is instead having ownership over everything, but working through delegated authority, offering people choices with consequences. Here would be the obvious point. If God were in control, we read in the Bible, it’s his will that none should perish. Well then none would perish. But we observe that’s not true.
CRAIG: People are perishing. How can that be? The answer is God is not control. God is sovereign. What that means is God offers people choices, and there are consequences. What that means, for example, receiving Jesus the Messiah. God doesn’t force anybody to do that. God doesn’t say, I will manipulate and control, and force you. No. He offers a choice, He says, this is life, this is death and it’s eternal, it’s your choice. That’s sovereignty. So God isn’t controlling every circumstance. See, we see horrible things happen. We see in our day people being beheaded, people being murdered, people being violated and terrible injustice happening. All you have to do is pick up a newspaper or watch a news report and you see all kinds of things happening that are awful. They’re not God’s will. That’s not what God desired and wanted. Well why is that happening? There’s a very simple reason. Because God isn’t controlling all those circumstances and allowing this, and allowing that. What God has done is delegated authority to man. He did in Genesis, Chapter, Verse 28. He said to Adam and Eve, “I give you dominion over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, the animals, the earth.” Satan came and tricked Adam and Eve into giving that authority to him. He said, of his kingdom, which is a kingdom of death, destruction, devastation, and fortunately, God had a plan. He sent Jesus the Messiah on Earth, and when Jesus died and shed his blood, he created a covenant. And in that covenant when he rose from the dead, he said this: “All authority in Heaven and Earth has been given to me.” He didn’t take authority with him to Heaven. He turned right around and gave it back to us as believers. And the situation, which we now live, Sid, is this. We have a partnership with God. God has given us his delegated authority on this earth as believers by covenant. That’s what covenant means.
SID: You know what bothers me, Craig?
CRAIG: What’s that, Sid?
SID: That God is so good, but he’s so misunderstood by even his own children. For instance, when you get sick and you know that God has the ability to heal you and you’re not healed, or a loved one dies from cancer, a part of you, one part, your mind says, I love God, but your heart says, God, you’ve disappointed me. I hate that misunderstanding. What would you say to someone who’s uncle died of cancer and God did not heal him, and his uncle loved God?
CRAIG: And what we find, Sid, is there are many, many variables on the earth, all kinds. There are nutritional factors, there are emotional factors, there are sin factors, there are all kinds of things that affect that, yes, God has made a covenant with us, and it’s his will to heal. By the blood of Jesus, he’s given us authority to implement that. But here’s the strategy of the enemy. The strategy of the devil is to destroy someone or to bring death and sickness upon someone and then turn right around and say to those around, God did that, God let that happen, and people get disappointed in God. You know, there’s somebody watching right now that’s exactly your circumstance. You had a loved one that died and in your heart, you said, God, why did you let that happen? And you know, here’s the truth. God was not the destroyer of your loved one. Satan is the one who destroyed, who took, who came to steal. God is the only one who loves you. And the purpose of the enemy is to get you to shut your heart to God and shut him out. Do you know today, that if you’ll open your heart and say, God, forgive me for blaming you, what will happen, it will change something, release something in your own heart and you will restore the glory and the presence of God in your life again.
SID: You know, the story you told me about the woman that was almost raped.
SID: If you will explain that, this explains someone who understands the covenant. And then when we come back after the break, I want to explain what an Eastern covenant is.
CRAIG: Well very few Christians understand it. You know, this was a lady that got an understanding of covenant. She was just having her quiet time, reading the Bible, and she got a scripture, Isaiah 54:15. It said, “If anyone fiercely assails you, it will not be from me and whoever attacks you will fall because of you.” Well the Holy Spirit told her to memorize that and meditate on it, which she did, and she didn’t know why. About two weeks later, there was a knock on her apartment door. She lived alone. She opened the door. A man forced his way in and said, “I’m going to rape you.” Well immediately, that word came up from her spirit and it was a little bit of a, she had to struggle, should I really test it out, because the consequences are sort of dangerous here. She decided, I’m going to go with what I believe God told me. She said to him, “You’re not going to rape me.” She said, “Furthermore, I’m in covenant with the Lord Jesus Christ. What that means is he’s in me, I’m in him. What you do to me, you do to him. What have you come here today to do today, to rape Jesus Christ?”
SID: Oh my goodness.
CRAIG: The man went, “What? What?” He didn’t know what to say. He started to get afraid. And she said, “No, see he’s in me. Whatever you do to me, you do to him. Furthermore, I’m the apple of his eye. What that means is, that’s [unintelligible]. You’re putting your finger in the pupil of God’s eye right now.” She said, “You have no authority in this apartment. God gave this to me. I have authority. He gave me a promise. Now get out!” The man did everything he knew to do to try to put her fear. He said, “If you don’t cooperate with me, I’m going to kill you.” She said, “You know what? My life doesn’t belong to me. My life has been given over to the Lord Jesus, the Messiah, and if it’s my day to die, I’m fine with that. I don’t think it probably is, but that’s his decision, not yours. And so my life is in his hands and you will do nothing to me today. Now get out!” Now some people hear that and they think, well I don’t know if I would respond that way. But you know what? God had given her a word in season.
SID: But you know what? The key is understanding Eastern covenant. This woman had chutzpah. That’s Hebrew word for “nerve”. And you’re going to have chutzpah, that’s a Hebrew word for “nerve”, when you really grasp this, when we come back.
Sid: This week is a week of miracles. Do you know why? This Friday evening begins the first night of Chanukah. During the Chanukah season, I remember as a little child, I played a game with a little top; it was like a gambling game except you don’t play for money. You spin the top and it forms an acrostic, and the acrostic says “A Great Miracle Happened There.” Because on Chanukah against absolutely impossible odds, the Jewish people won not just a victory but a major victory; the salvation of the world was contingent on the Jewish people winning this victory.
Chanukah occurred approximately 168 BC when King Antiochus Epiphanes, and by the way that was his title. The word Epiphanes means God manifest, he was the Syrian king and he ruled Jerusalem. He was angry with the Jewish people because the Jewish people were not blending in, and he wanted all society to blend in it would be easier to control all society. So they had under Alexander they started what was called the “Hellenization of the world.” In other words, make the whole world have the Greek culture, but there was one group of troublemakers, the Jewish people. So they said “Jewish people you are forbidden to have circumcision, you are forbidden to observe the Shabbat, the Sabbath. You are forbidden to observe all of all your festivals, you’re forbidden to read from the scriptures or we will kill you!”
Well it got even worse, not only does Antiochus claim to be God manifest in the flesh… by the way I see so many parallels in every single one of the festivals of Israel. Now Chanukah, although it’s not mentioned in the Old Covenant, it’s most definitely mentioned in the New Covenant. We know that Jesus observed Chanukah and isn’t it interesting, except it’s not even called Chanukah it’s called the Feast of Dedication, which is another name for Chanukah. In John the 10th chapter, the 22nd verse we read “And it was at Jerusalem the Feast of Dedication and it was winter.”
Well we know Chanukah for sure is in the winter, we know of course Jesus was not born on December 25th. How do we know that? Because the scriptures tell us the shepherds were out in the field, and it was too cold on December 25th, it’s cold in Israel and Jerusalem December 25th. So we know that the Messiah definitely was not born on what is called Christmas. But we know about the Feast of Dedication or Chanukah.
Then we go on to John in the same 10th chapter the 30th verse. He says something that is outrageous but isn’t it interesting that Jesus picked Chanukah to make what the traditional Jewish community called an outrageous statement. He said “I and My Father are one.” Now the Jewish people understood exactly what He meant by that because in the 33rd verse they said “Wait a second you being a man make yourself God?” You see what He was doing? On the Feast of Dedication, on Chanukah, the true God manifest in a man occurred. Whereas the counterfeit Antiochus Epiphanes that occurred in 168 BC.
It’s also a shadow, all of these festivals are shadows of something that’s going to happen in the future. Another Antiochus Epiphanes is going to come on the scene, he’s the anti-Christ and he’s going to go into the temple, and he’s going to declare himself god, and he’s going to have the same fate as this King Antiochus Epiphanes did.
You know what happened? There was a very godly man by the name of Mattathias and he had 5 sons by the way. The final blow occurred… you know you can take so much then you say “Enough is enough.” That’s what happened to Mattathias. He actually saw a man getting ready to sacrifice a pig, and he said “Enough” and he grabbed his sword and he killed that man, and that’s when the guerrilla warfare started. It was like a tiny militant guerrilla band attacking the greatest army of its day. I mean it was absolutely impossible but they won, and that’s why the dreidel, the acrostic says “A Great Miracle Happened There.”
Well when Jesus said “I’m the real thing. You’ve seen the counterfeit on Chanukah, now you’re going to see the real thing Chanukah because I and My Father are one. I am God manifest in the flesh.”
Then here’s the point I was going for because Chanukah is a festival of miracles. It’s a release of oil, it’s a release of supernatural oil… are you beginning to see all the parallels? In the 37th and 38th verse of that same gospel of John in the 10th chapter, Jesus said “If I do not the works of My Father believe Me not, but if I do though ye believe not Me believe the works that you may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him.” In other words, like that commercial used to be on television for a hamburger place “Where’s the beef?” Well Jesus said “You want to see where the beef is? If miracles are happening then you know that I and My Father are one.”
You know what happened on Chanukah? They had only one day’s supply of oil, and of course the scriptures say that “The lamp in the temple has to be lit continuously.” So there was only one day’s supply it would take a week to consecrate the oil after the Jewish people won. The great victory of Chanukah they cleansed the temple and that’s why it’s called the Feast of Dedication. I can’t think of a better time for someone to cleanse themselves and sanctify themselves than the Feast of Dedication. But what to do, we can’t have a temple with God’s presence without the oil being in the lamp, the eternal lamp. So a miracle happened, instead of the oil lasting one day something supernatural occurred and the oil lasted 8 days. That’s why a Chanukah menorah has 9 candles. Well you say “Sid it lasted 8 days why 9 candles?” Because you need one candle which is called the Shamash, which is a Hebrew word and it means servant. Remember what did Jesus call Himself? Yeshua, that’s His Hebrew name said “I am the light of the world.” So each day of Chanukah we take the Shamash, who is the servant, we light the Shamash and we have one candle the first night, two the second, three the third, till we have 8 candles to commemorate the great happened on Chanukah.
Why do I, the Messianic Vision, and It’s Supernatural television emphasize miracles? Because miracles according to Jesus prove that God is on the scene. Unfortunately Christianity, 21st century Christianity, would rather use mental arguments and apologetics to prove that Jesus is the Messiah than produce the beef, produce the goods, but things are about ready to change. God has given me insight, and I’m going to teach you something on tomorrows broadcast that I believe is going to be so exciting to you. This week we are going to feature probably one of the greatest verified miracles I have ever uncovered. We are going to interview the man that this happened to.
Could you imagine someone that surgically had organs from his body removed and supernaturally instantly the organs came back? Can you imagine that? How? One second in the name of Yeshua, in the name of Jesus.
Now this is Chanukah and on Chanukah you give gifts. You see it’s not just Christmas that people get gifts. As a matter of fact, I always liked Chanukah better than Christmas and I’ll tell you why, we had gifts for 8 nights, Christians only had gifts for one night. Such a deal!
I’ve got good news for you, if the blood of the greatest Jew who ever lived, Yeshua, Jesus the Messiah flows through your veins. I suggest you observe Chanukah, get your 8 presents, and Christmas, get your one present, we’re up to 9 that’s how many candles are on the menorah, the Chanukah menorah.
Sid: My guest by way of telephone Jonathan Maracle I’m speaking to him on Ontario, Canada at the Tyendinaga Territory. He is a First Nations Man. On yesterday’s broadcast we found out that he was very popular in the world he wrote songs he sang he performed with such professionals as Peter Frampton and Rick Derringer, and co-wrote a song that was used on a television series “Highway to Heaven.” But he was at a real bottom, he wanted to commit suicide and since his father never stopped praying for him he just cried out “God I need help.” And at that moment even thought his dad hadn’t called him in 2 years hadn’t spoken with him he gets a phone call at that precise moment. And he goes and he visits his dad and long story short he sells out to the Kingdom of God. And your dad was a man that walked in the miraculous. He actually prayed for people that were dead that came back to life. What other miracles you recall your dad telling you about?
Jonathan: My dad told me about this young boy who came to one of his services and my dad was going down the row praying for people. As he came to, this was a healing service I guess, and they were all standing across the front and this young boy was in the crowd of the people standing at the front and when he came to him he looked down at him and the boy looked up at him and he had no color in his eyes it was just white he was totally completely blind from birth. And my dad said when he saw that he said it caught him and he said he had to regain his stance as he was going. He passed the little boy and he prayed on down the line and then he came back to the little boy and God had given him a word for the little boy and he said “Son he said “Tomorrow morning when the sun comes up you’re going to see the sun” and he prayed with him. The little boy went home that night and my father was in evangelistic meetings in the next city the next day and he had packed up and left. In the meeting the next day he was in the service and he was ministering and the back doors of the church swung open in the middle of the service and this young boy ran up and jumped into my father arms and he was completely healed he was fully able to see. And his mom and dad, his mom sat with him that morning she said that they sat on the porch of their house and they faced the east where the sun was going to come up and she said as soon as the sun peaked over the top the boy screamed I can see it, I can see it!” That was just one of many. We have pictures, there’s pictures that my mom my mom has at the house and I believe she has them somewhere put away of 13 different women who had their wombs removed that could not bare children that were desperate and wanted children. My father would pray for them and they would conceive children and so that was one of the.
Sid: Now that was quite a miracle you’re telling me 13 woman that had their wombs removed.
Jonathan: Thirteen woman not all of these woman had their wombs removed but some of them had wombs removed and others were just woman that never ever been able to conceive.
Jonathan: And they all these 13 were able to conceive.
Sid: Now your father not only prayed for a dead person that came to life a team of horses ran over him and he died what happened?
Jonathan: Well they took him to the hospital and he was pronounced dead by 2 doctors. He was in the morgue and then the nurse came into the morgue I guess was some people locally that were Christians my dad wasn’t a Christian at the time but there was some people locally that were praying for him knowing that this young man had just died and they were praying you know. I don’t know exactly why I just believed the hand of God was so strong on my father because of the things that God had for him to do in his life and so he…there was a nurse a nurse coming down and delivering another body into the morgue and she looked over and she thought she saw my father move and she took her compact out from her purse and she put it underneath his nose and a mist came on the compact and she went out of their running really quick and went up and told the doctor and she had literally stand and convince the doctor that he needed to come back down and check and when they did they saw that he was alive. They brought him out and he actually walked out of the hospital the next day and he read his obituary in the newspaper.
Sid: Jonathan I want to take you back to February 8, 1999 you’re on an airplane and you’re dad is addressing a public group about a dump they wanted to put on your Territory. Members of the Parliament in Canada there and he actually gave a salvation message they gave him a standing ovation and then he died. You didn’t know any of this you’re on the airplane what happened?
Jonathan: Well I’m on the airplane flying into a northern community called Fort Hope to minister to the Ojibway people. My bass player was sitting beside me on the plane and for no reason at all it seemed all of the sudden I was having this supernatural thing take place where I felt as if there was courageousness, boldness, just a feeling of strength and ability to do whatever God wanted me to do. It was like totally it was almost like when you watch television and you see some superhero change that’s what it felt like to me. And I looked at my bass player and I said “I don’t know what’s going on here I said I feel like I’m some kind of hero or something.” And he looked at me like I was absolutely crazy. So I looked at him and I said “If this plane was to crash I wouldn’t be hurt” I said I would be saving the survivors helping the survivors.” And then we went on without me understanding what it was all about we landed we got on the snowmobile and we had to ride by snowmobile on to the village from the landing strip. and I get in there it was like 15 of Ojibway leaders of that community. I was there to minister to them and to encourage them to walk with God in their faith. As I was ministering the phone rang and it was my wife and she told me my father had had a heart attack. I’m thinking to myself that it didn’t bother me really at all because I knew how strong my dad was he was 85 but he had just written his driver’s test and passed it with 100%. Was always out praying for everybody else and he’s drive 500 miles and preach and drive home so I didn’t really have a worry about that I knew that he was going to overcome it. But as soon as I told the group we began to pray for my dad and God gave me a vision that my dad had died and that he was in his cassette and that there was a funeral I saw him in his funeral. And I’m going “No I don’t receive this and I cast it down.” Then we began to pray again and this vision came right back and then the phone rang and my wife said “John your dad’s died.” Well needless…I didn’t understand this at the time but my brothers had told my wife who wasn’t there who didn’t know told my wife that my wife had a heart attack when he actually died because they knew how far away I was and they didn’t want me to be impacted so they wanted to break it to me gently. And so my wife said “He had a heart attack but God showed me he had died.” And then she called back and she said “He had died and it was sometime later before I put 2 and 2 together and realized that at the moment my father died was when I had that supernatural experience on the plane. And every since that time there has been an exponential increase in the anointing and a courageousness and ability to go into places. The prophetic word over our ministry and over myself has been that I am the tip of an arrow and that when the arrow hits it breaks through and it penetrates in the light of the gospel shines from the tip on the other side of the wall where that the enemy has built. Then that Body of Christ is the shaft of that arrow and that arrow is going to be pushed through and it’s going to bring light to those darkened places.
Sid: Speaking about light you have one song on your CD I mean it’s so diverse you have Native American music, you have Hebrew music, tell me about the song “Fly.”
Jonathan: Well “Fly” the eagle is such an important symbol and bird to our people. The eagle represents the Holy Spirit, represents the Spirit that carries the message to the people the Holy Spirit. And our people revered and honored the eagle as a symbol of that. And the eagle also was the bird that would always when every other animal would run away from a storm, men goes to their homes and the bears go to their dens but the eagle he faces the storm and he lights and he flies directly into the storm. And the very winds that would take that eagle and dash it down kill him on the ground are the winds that come up underneath his wings and take him above the storm.
Sid: It’s time for you to go above the storm. It’s time for you to fly!
Sid: My guest by way of telephone at his home in Orlando, Florida is the famous German evangelist that has literally taken the nation of Africa by storm, Reinhard Bonnke. In one meeting, one meeting he had 1.6 million people in attendance. In a recent 5 month period he had recorded decisions for Jesus of 9.1 million. These numbers become so large Reinhard that it’s hard to comprehend these numbers.
Reinhard: Yes God is doing mighty things.
Sid: On yesterday’s broadcast though we’ll get people real upset if we don’t go right back there. You had a tremendous meeting in the Sudan where large numbers of Muslims were being healed, deaf, blind, and many made decisions for the Messiah. So you were invited back and you got a warning from Osama Bin Laden, a death threat, and you decided “We better pray on this.” You and your staff prayed and what happened?
Reinhard: Yes we prayed and the Lord said “We should ignore this threat and go.” So we boarded the plane with Lufthansa arrived in Khartoum and everything seemed to be fine. The preparations went well, the Episcopalian Church had invited us and also some other churches and all the Christians. You know there are few enough have clumped together and had invited me for the second Easter Celebration as the previous year. So I was very hopeful that everything would go well. All of a sudden there were rumblings I was told we couldn’t… no more juice, no more juice, the green square and that they would give us an alternative sight. So I said “Which site would it be?” I sent my people to check out the new sight and we were flabbergasted because we discovered it was a small field within a very radicle Muslim area, and on all 4 corners of that field was a mosque. They said to Osama Bin Laden’s brother had his house right there.
Reinhard: So I said “Look I will not move to that field. It is either the green square or nothing.” So you know they were negotiating and negotiating…
Sid: Now when you said that, that strongly, why did you say that?
Reinhard: I said it because it was I felt if I had gone there and one shot would have been fired, we would have been utterly and totally trapped.
Reinhard: We would have been totally completely trapped. I think it would have also… those Muslims there they would have interpreted my presence there as a very gross provocation.
Sid: So what happened?
Reinhard: So I refused to make use of that square because I thought it would actually trigger off, it would trigger off a riot. To avoid this and to save lives, I mean to save lives. We said “No our equipment is already set up at the green square and we will not move.” The next thing I hear is that soldiers had moved in on the green square and cornered it off, the government had withdrawn the permission for me to use it. To our surprise I must say those soldiers dismantled our own equipment, that never happened before. They pushed my people away and they dismantled our equipment. When the people, the Sudanese wanting to attend the first service of mine and they were pushed back. They said “Now why do you chase this man who has come to heal our sick? We have brought our sick from the ends of the country you cannot do it!” Then fights broke out and a lot of unpleasant things happened, thank God nobody was killed. Later on I heard that the armies they brought minesweeping equipment to check out the green square and I was told that they uncovered there 9 landmines.
Sid: What would have happened if you had had that meeting?
Reinhard: We say thank God that the army had stopped the people from entering in the green square because if they had done it there would have been a great carnage. I left that very night back for home for Germany and I was hardly back again when the Sudanese embassy called my home and made a thousand apologies. They said to me “We hope that we can remain friends.”
Sid: Will you be back in Sudan?
Reinhard: I will. I will be back next year and I’m going to Juba.
Sid: You realize if you had canceled that event yourself probably all these doors would have been closed to you.
Reinhard: That is possible you know it’s true, it’s true (laughing). God willing… we have another invitation now also by some person in the government I don’t know off hand who he is or what he is but they are a contact and I would like to go to the Christian south, the city of Juba. The civil war is beyond that city so I pray as I go and preach in the city of Juba that we will win the gospel of salvation to these hard pressed people.
Sid: Reinhard let’s just be kind of transparent and candid right now. You’re over 60 years of age, you’ve been going strong, you’ve accomplished more in your lifetime than most people will ever accomplish in their lifetime. Why would you go into such a life threatening situation and preach to Muslims?
Reinhard: Oh I am not afraid of Muslims. I must be honest with you where I have been in Africa, I’m talking for instance about Nigeria, I’ve preached to hundreds of thousands of Muslims in a single service and they have responded to salvation in incredible numbers. We as Christians are not at all with our backs to the wall. Some people are afraid that God may have a bad press these days. “Oh how whimsical can we be.” We are not retreating, we are advancing in the name of Jesus. I have a message filled with the love of God and the gospel is God’s message totally indiscriminate. If I tell the people no matter what religion you are from if you need healing Jesus is here to heal you, He is here to help, He also wants to save you but He may even heal you before He saves you. You know because the love of God… God’s love has no conditions.
Sid: Does that happen often when you’re speaking to other people like Muslims they get healed before they get saved?
Reinhard: That happens very often and as a result of the healing they get saved. I tell you as I’ve experienced it a man born blind, a Muslim man born blind, being healed going home that evening without a guide to his clan the next day the whole clan comes and gets saved.
Sid: Boy there’s nothing to compare like that to something like that Reinhard.
Reinhard: Oh I tell the gospel is the power of God and Christianity is growing mightily and strongly in Africa.
Sid: Now the reason I called you is I got wind of this man that was dead for 3 days in Onitsha, Nigeria. I have never ever in my entire life heard of such a well documented, I mean medically in every aspect. Then the experiences that he had when he was dead. Have you ever heard of someone coming back to life that’s been so documented as this?
Reinhard: No I haven’t, I haven’t. I think there is another documentation you’ll find that John chapter 10.
Sid: (Laughing) Short of that, short of that I don’t of another. I know many people that have been dead for short periods of time, less than a day, but 3 days? I mean going to the mortuary and having these chemicals being put in and being in the casket, and ready to go in the ground? I would you, I mean I wasn’t there you were there. You’ve interviewed these people, you interviewed the doctors, the mortician, all these people. Start at the beginning tell me what happened.
Reinhard: Well it was like this. I was in the city of Onitsha to help a friend to dedicate his new cathedral seating more than 10,000. I had no idea that they would bring a corpse into that cathedral. I was already preaching when the hearse arrived and an argument were going on outside. They said “We will not allow him in. There are 12,000 people in the church and they would be frightened to see a coffin being carried in.” And the argument when to and fro, back and forth, then they agreed that the corpse would be taken out of the coffin and would be taken into the basement.
Sid: That must have been quite a counsel meeting going on. I apologize Mishpocha we’re out of time. We’ll pickup right here on tomorrow’s broadcast.
Sid: I have Bob Griffin on the telephone he’s ministering in Charlotte, North Carolina he’s a prophet and on yesterday’s broadcast we find out that God showed him what would happen on September 11th and it did but he showed it before hand. Now Bob on yesterday’s broadcast you explained how God took you a long way and really became real set you free from addictions and all of a sudden dreams started coming to you. We talked about your first dream that you had in which you literally were set free. But you actually started smelling cancer explain that.
Bob: Absolutely I had so many experiences after the infilling of the Holy Spirit I had mentioned on yesterday’s broadcast that I had never had a dream. And what was interesting is that in the days to follow everything in me became alive. Everything in me I became aware of things I began to smell things literally for the first time. I began to see in ways I had never seen before it was literally like the scales had dropped from my eyes.
Sid: Now was it a little scary?
Bob: Well it was I was in a whole new world; I was in translated into a kingdom although I didn’t have that description or that vocabulary at the time I literally was just brought into a brand new place and it was a little bet frightening because I began to know things, I began to know things and I could not quit praying to the depths that I had done on drugs out in the world all of a sudden I was praying and seeking God. I had this tenacious hunger I couldn’t get rid of the hunger I would steal away and I would just read the word for hours on end. I began to pray in the Holy Spirit and I would build myself up and I would pray sometimes 5, 6, 7 hours a day. I would wake up in the middle of the night praying my spirit man my kingdom figure inside of me would just keep on praying. And it was during that period of time that I began to know things and I began to smell things and I began to hear things. At first it was frightening because I had to literally learn to discern. I had to learn what was from the Lord and what wasn’t from the Lord. But the one easy thing that I had is that everything that I had ever desired to do was rooted probably in wickedness and un-forgiveness but the things that the Lord was speaking to me were so fresh that I knew that it wasn’t my thoughts. So it was very easy for me in the very beginning to begin to discern His voice and it became harder later as I began to get rooted in the church and had to learn a new type of discernment because I suddenly realized how insidious the enemy was in trying to come into the church.
Sid: For sure. Bob there’s a problem and I’m expressing this I’m articulating it right now on behalf of a lot of our listeners.
Sid: And that is we have heard prophecy after prophecy that has not come to past, we’ve gotten cynical over it, we’ve had dreams and in these dreams they’re symbolic and we reach a point where we say “Well I’m not even sure if it was my pizza or whether it was God and if it was God I’m not sure what He’s saying.” And there’s such great confusion and cynicism and many people that are charismatic in expression have literally found themselves slipping back into good fundamental churches because of all of the wackiness. Would you address that?
Bob: I certain will it’s interesting that here I am speaking about a Hebrew word but the Hebrew word for dream is khalom and it literally means to recover or to plump. And what I believe the Spirit of the Lord is doing right now is He’s pouring out His Spirit in dreams to recover our hearts and to recover us because we have become cynical there are so many times I’ll just admit in my travels around the world I’ve been in nation after nations now it just 12 years of ministry, but I see the pathetic more than I see the true prophetic. I see things that are just…I see people propping up lies verses prophesying and there’s just been a tremendous call in the Spirit for the truth to come forth for the people to just really truly minister by the Spirit of the Lord. And there’s a difference in ministering by the spirit and having divination. You know when I began to discern God was doing things I would walk into a room and I would smell the cancer I didn’t know why I knew it was cancer I just knew that it was cancer and I would step out on a limb and live in that realm of faith and I would speak it out and it would come to pass.
Sid: Tell me one particular case where you smelled it and you commanded it to leave and the person was healed.
Bob: Well I walked into a room at one point and I began to smell a really foul odor in fact I couldn’t even place where it was coming from but as I was praying I kept feeling like this is the spirit of death. And so I began to look around the room to see where it’s coming from and what’s it doing and I began to set my eyes on somebody and as I began to set my eyes on them I just suddenly knew I don’t know how I knew they’re experiencing cancer. So I walked up and just kind of tested the waters you know I mean this is kind of a new thing for me I walked up and I said “Excuse me are you praying about an illness and they said “Yes.” And I said “Is it cancer?” And they said “Yes, I believe that God wants us to take authority over it right now.” And we began to pray and later we would get reports from people. We were out in Salina, Kansas and we were praying in a meeting and I was praying for a young man who had chemotherapy radiation burns on his head he was bald. He had a tumor half the size of an egg on his forehead and I was praying for him to receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit to literally be baptized in the Holy Ghost. And while my hand was upon him I heard the Lord say “Open your eyes.” Well I opened my eyes just in time to see this cancerous tumor just go and disappear right out of his forehead. And I didn’t know what to say I was shocked, I looked at him and said “Hey dude what happened to your head?” And he reached up to feel it and he started putting his hand around his whole head trying to find where did that tumor go and all of a sudden the Lord had me point at a couple standing next to him and I said “Now do you believe?” And this man hand shot up in the air and as they shot up in the air they fell over speaking in tongues. I turned to a pregnant girl next to them and I said “Now do you believe?” And she started speaking in tongues and I later found out that the young man was the cousin of the man with the tumor and he had come there to mock me in the meeting even as I had mocked that evangelist from the beginning. But the demonstration of the Spirit of God is what’s changing’s people’s cynical minds. And as Paul’s saying “I don’t come with persuasive words of man’s wisdom but in a demonstration of the Spirit and power.” And so when we demonstrate the Spirit of the supernatural people who were cynical suddenly have nothing to stand on anymore. When you speak a word out and you foretell an event then it comes to past I believe that the Holy Spirit, I believe the angel of the Lord stands over that testimony to refute any demonic principalities that would try to steal the faith from those that are hearing it. And so the demonstrations are what causing people to change in their hearts.
Sid: Is the change in the Spirit going on? Is the real ready to come forth?
Bob: I was in a meeting last night that was so powerful such an outpouring of the Spirit of the Lord that we went in there anticipating that we were going to prophesy over the children. And I had asked the adults to bring your children in and we had probably somewhere over a 100 to a 120 children brought in last night. Just spontaneously they just began to dance before the Lord and when they did during the time of worship they were just bored, they were arguing, they were pushing each other it was very uncomfortable. And I got up and went into a prophetic song and when I did the whole atmosphere changed. And when the atmosphere changed the little kids came up and started dancing and all of a sudden there was powerful praise and God began to pour out His Spirit for healing. And a man we already prayed for a word of knowledge for a tooth it was interesting the Lord said there’s a tooth the left side upper jaw. After we prayed for the man he apparently fell down and was gasping for air in this crowd of people and somebody said “He’s having a heart attack, somebody said he’s needing an inhaler he’s needing something.” He was having a seizure, we took authority over a spirit of affixation and you can hear as that spirit was convulsing him the spirit leaving him and leaving that building. I mean it was just amazing and testimonies have some forth today of all of these little children that got saved because they saw this. We had one little boy that was sobbing for hours and I walked up to him at the end of the meeting and I said “What’s wrong?” And he just was smiling, he was crying he looked scared I said “Are you scared?” He said, “No.” He said, “Jesus is real.” And you know I’m seeing that this is the outpouring that God wants; He’s wanting these little children to demonstrate to people how to enter into the kingdom. When these little children got a hold of the prophetic words they began just coming forward and just ministering to the Lord and hands up and tears coming down their faces and bringing other little kids for prayer not even just themselves. We had 2 little girls that brought a little white girl up to me and I said “What do you want?” And they said “She wants to talk.” And it was apparent that she was some type of a Down syndrome child and had very difficult time talking her mouth was deformed and I said “Can you say praise the Lord?” And it just came right out of her mouth “Praise the Lord.” She started jumping up and down like a piston and just clapping her hands and tears coming down and she was so embarrassed that she spoke that she covered her face. I mean I want to see that every day.
Sid: Bob you have dreams and visions what about the average believer that’s listen to us right now can they have dreams and visions or if they’re having them can they understand them?
Bob: I absolutely believe that the whole world is about to experience what they’ve never experienced. I went to a recent search engine just to…less than 2 weeks ago there were over 6,280,000 different dreams and visions websites and announcements just on a secular search engine and this is the secular world that’s talking about dreams and vision while, we as the church that should be experiencing the outpouring are really just kind of rejecting it because we’ve seen the pathetic and not the true prophetic. But I believe that the Spirit of the Lord is saying just as he did in Joel that his is the time of the outpouring and it’s pouring out on all flesh, it’s pouring out in the earth, its pouring out in the world. And we need to have somebody that helps us to interpret. I mean Daniel was chosen to help Nebuchadnezzar, Joseph was called to help Pharaoh so their names alone indicate that we need help in the world. The world needs help, the world overseers need Spirit filled believers to see over them.
Sid: What do you mean when you say “A dream or a vision is God’s invitation to a relationship?”
Bob: Well quite simply the dream or the vision is not only God’s invitation but it’s the language of the Spirit that’s calling us and as He gives us that dream or vision we’re answering it back to Him. Jeremiah had that experience with Him and Paul had that experience and that’s what God’s doing in us right now. He’s calling us to a relationship by giving us an invitation to ask Him “What does this mean?”
Sid: And are you finding that when people sit under your teaching they’re able to hear by the Spirit just like you on their own dreams and visions?
Bob: Absolutely the word declares that “He who receives a prophet in the name of a prophet receives a prophet’s reward.” And so quite simply that means that you get to see what they see, hear what they hear and speak what they speak, and Israel experienced that with John the Baptist.