Sid RothComments Off on Our Guests Chester & Betsy Kylstra
Sid: We want everyone everywhere to be red hot for the Messiah but have you noticed you may want to be red hot for the Messiah but there seems to be blockages in your life. You may want to walk in supernatural love but there appears to be blockages in your life, you may want people to love you but there’s been blockages in your life. You may be dealing with certain sin areas and you repent and you run to the alter and you weep and you cry and every week you do this and every week you fall back into those same sins; there’s got to a better way. And I have on the telephone from Santa Rosa Beach, Florida Chester and Betsy Kylstra of “Proclaiming His Word Ministries.” And the Holy Spirit has shown them that there are 4 foundational problem areas and unless they’re dealt with they can undermine your total healing whether its spiritual, emotional or physical. And most people miss one of more of these areas. So Betsy I wonder if you would tell me about how you even found out about these 4 areas and what they are and perhaps give us an example of each one.
Betsy: Sid I would love to do that and I’d love to share that with our family whose listening. The Lord began to show us these areas as He began to heal our own life and the thing that He showed us was so intriguing to us and I think so powerful is that each one of them needs ministry because every single area impacts the other 3 areas. When we finally got that revelation we thought “Well duh!” this is obvious but we realized that so much of the body of Christ that has not recognized that yet. The areas are:
The sins of the fathers and curses
These are the sins that are passed right down the family line and we see this a lot alcoholism, violence, sexual abuse, rage, even prejudices. There are lots of different things you see passed down the family line. And then what happens is out of the sins of the fathers curses. The way that those are enacted in the family they cause the children in the family as well as the adults to have hurts…
Sid: So it keeps passing on to each of the generations.
Betsy: Absolutely it passes on from generation to generation where the same sins causes the same kind of hurts, the same violence in the parents cause the same feelings of rejection and that kind of hurt in the children. And so we have Sins of the fathers and Hurts very closely connected and then out of the hurt we form our belief system. And in this case it becomes an ungodly belief system, or a group of lies which are based on what our experience is but not based on the truth of God’s word. For example, I might believe that I’m just a rejected person based on how I am treated in that home but not based at all on who God says that I am. And then the Lord began to show us and this was really exciting that the Sins of the fathers and curses the hurts that were resulted from those and the ungodly beliefs that were even formed out of those painful experiences all were open doors for demonic oppression. The all let the enemy into our lives so if you would like I could give just give a simple example of how all 4 of these work together and how we need to close all 4 doors to really keep the enemy out.
Sid: I’d like you to that but you make the distinction that I find fascinating. One of the 4 points is Soul Spirit Hurts and what you say is the soul and the spirit actually have attributes of memory, will and emotion. And you have to deal with the soul and the spirit explain that just a little bit.
Betsy: Well we do and we have quite a bit about that in our book explaining that we need to heal both and the spirit and that the Lord can do both. Now sometimes when we’re wounded we cannot identify am I wounded in my soul, am I wounded in my spirit. But the good news is that the Lord Jesus knows exactly where the healing is needed and He can come in and minister and bring the wholeness.
Sid: Well give me an example now of all of these 4 areas.
Chester: Before we go to that how about if I just give a scriptural backup for what Betsy was just explaining.
Chester: 2 Corinthians 7:1 Paul is writing… just finished reading or quoting about a bunch of promises of God, and he says “Having these promises dearly beloved let us cleanse ourselves from all defilement of flesh and spirit.” Flesh and spirit, flesh and heart and we have we could bring up many scriptures that indicate that we have hurts or defilement effects of sin in our spirit and of course that’s just the 2 dimensional man there the flesh and the spirit where’s the soul in there? Well the souls somewhere in the middle and we’ve looked through all of the attributes of the spirit and soul we find that both portions of ourselves have many of the same attributes. So Betsy you were about to give an example of the 4 ministry areas.
Betsy: Yes and I know myself like many others who are listening once they’ve been hurt they just want to know how to bring Jesus into that healing Jesus our Messiah and to connect with Him and that’s a big part of this ministry. Let me use an example of an alcoholic; actually the child growing up in an alcoholic home because so many others besides myself have been grieved by the destructiveness of an alcoholic family member or friend or a relative. We see alcoholism as a Sin of the Father that’s going down the generation. Secular research tells us that 4 out of 5 children to an alcoholic will also become alcoholic themselves which is heart breaking. And so we have that sin coming down and causing many hurt in the children. Hurts of rejection and disappointment and betrayal and broken promises there are so many different hurts, many kinds of losses occur because this Sin of the Father is coming down and being inflicted on the next generation of the children. Out of the children’s wounding they begin to believe what we call Ungodly Beliefs or Lies about themselves, the way the world is and even about God themselves. They may even believe that my father and mother are even god himself will not be there for me when I really need somebody. They may begin to believe I am unlovable or else my parent wouldn’t do this. They may begin to believe life is totally unpredictable and I can’t trust anybody. So out of the generational sins that cause those hurts lies begin to form in the children which shape their whole belief system and they begin to live out of those lies. And then another key that the Lord showed us was that each one of those interrelated areas also provides an open door for demonic oppression for demons to enter and oppress and continue to cause us to be harassed, discouraged, depressed and cause the sins to be repeated in that child’s life. And so it just goes on from generation to generation. One day I was getting ready to go on vacation and we have 4 doors to our house and the Holy Spirit said to me “How many of those doors are you going to lock?” And I said “All 4 of them.” And He said “Why?” And I said “Because there’s some contents inside of this house that are precious to me.” And He spoke to my heart and said “Betsy it’s the same way with these 4 ministry areas; we have to close all 4 doors to protect the life inside that’s so precious to Me.” And so I began to see how they were all interconnected and each one needs ministry.
Sid: And when each one of the doors are closed then those demonic strongholds that are constantly harassing people have no leg to stand on.
Betsy: Then they lose their place and get booted out!
Betsy: And then at that point it’s very important for the person to have some guidelines about how to walk out their healing which is something that we really put some emphasis on.
Sid: Well you know as you explain of the 4 problem areas I couldn’t help but to think of a friend of mine that I led to the Lord and of all of the people that I’ve ever led to the Lord I had the greatest God encounter that I’ve ever had in my life the presence of God was so awesome. He let us know that he was an alcoholic and unfortunately he went back to drinking and went to AA and he was going to a church and he got so offended and that’s the word of Christians that were critical over him that he decided that he just wanted to go to AA where they’re not critical over me like the Christians in the church. And then I lost touch with him and then he called and he said “Well you know Sid I may be backslidden,” and he knew he was, “but I go to bars and God uses me and I lead people to the Lord when I’m sitting their drinking.” And I thought to myself “What a witness you are.” And then I lost track of him again and then he called me and he said “Sid I found the answer.” I found and he found an occult new age cult a course of miracles that doesn’t believe in judgment, doesn’t believe in hell, doesn’t believe in the devil and he says “I’m so fulfilled.” And then he went in that cycle of a little bit of sin and then ended up into an occult group.
Chester: Hm hm that’s really heartbreaking. It just shows that these 4 foundational problem areas can even drag us down even after receiving the Lord without taking care of them. And of course you don’t have to come to our ministry to get this taken care of God’s very able to heal people in lots of different ways.
Sid: My guest can’t help but be red hot for the Messiah. God has given her a miracle in her life rather than as 1 doctor said that she wouldn’t live she was a walking time bomb she was instantly healed at Kathryn Kuhlman service and Kathryn Kuhlman had one of the greatest ministries of this generation. Through a series of events because of the healing she began to work for Kathryn Kuhlman and you were working for her up until the time she was promoted to heaven.
Joan: That’s exactly right Sid.
Sid: And you saw miracles I mean I went to a few Kathryn Kuhlman services but that’s the way that it’s suppose to be. And I believe that’s the way it’s going to be shortly and then you had the privilege of working with Benny Hinn and I know that I’ve seen you on television many times saying “Pastor Benny this person’s been healed of this thing and that thing” and you’ve seen wonderful miracles. As a matter of fact at a Benny Hinn service you saw someone without eyeballs what happened?
Joan: I did Sid a lady and her son had come in and I was walking across the floor in the wheelchair section and the son came to me and he was like 30 years old I guess. And he said “My mother is blind will you please come and pray for her” and they were of some foreign decent I don’t know Spanish maybe whatever. And I said “Of course, what’s wrong?” And he said “She is blind, she had an accident and they had to operate on her and she had a stroke while they were having the operation and it blinded one eye and the other one was injured.” And he said “They had to literally remove the eyeball from that eye because the pressure became so enormous” and I don’t know if they were afraid that the eyeball would explode or what but any way they had removed one eyeball and they had sown the eyelid down in both corners. And now the other one was totally absolutely blind through the time of other operations to repair it from the accident it had become totally blind. So it was over 18 years that she was blind, she couldn’t even see light all she saw was dark. And they had that one also tacked down in the corners of the eye. And so I walked over to her and it was just a quick prayer Sid just a quick prayer. I remember how Deana and I turned around and walked away form her and the lady said “Madam, madam I can see.” Now I quickly turned around and I ran back to her and she said “I can see.” And I said “You can see what?” She said “I can see you.” And I said “You can! What color hair do I… she said “You’ve got white hair.” And I said, and she knew the color of my dress and she knew what I looked like she could see the people in the auditorium. Well we were just without…an eyeball Sid and the other eye totally blind and this woman the little slit in the eye without the eyeball that’s the one that she could see out of. There was just a little slit like even like your eyes were normal if you would open up your eye just that far you couldn’t see. So God was letting her see through that eye lid right through that eyelid it was a miraculous thing.
Sid: Speaking of miracles what about the person that did not have an eardrum they didn’t even have an opening for the ear.
Joan: Honey that happened on many occasion.
Sid: Really tell me about.
Joan: In Canada the one you’re talking about was in Canada it was a man and he did not even have openings for an ear at all. That happened many times where there was no functioning ear, there was no parts on the inside and God allowed them to hear. I remember specifically one young boy in California about 8 years old that had been born deaf. Now he had the form of an ear but he had never had heard a sound and God instantaneously healed that boy. But the faith that it builds around them…
Sid: But the faith that it must have been built around you about seeing and being around these 2 wonderful ministries. But I’m reminded of when you were healed a bright light came to you and you were instantly healed. When you minister you see lights tell me about that.
Joan: Yeah I’ll see a shaft of light. You know I work with other when I was with Pastor Benny and Kathryn Kuhlman you know we worked with others that helped us. And I would see that same shaft of light and I would say go follow this line follow this line the lady in the yellow, the lady in the blue, the yellow, the man in the suit dadada all the way down stay within the parameters of that light and everyone in that light was healed and it was true. They would get up they would bring them up and one by one and they would say that. But let me go back here a minute here Sid “There’s someone and I think it’s a man and it’s a spinal-cord and I see the spinal-cord repaired, I see the spinal bone completely straight as an arrow where once it was off I don’t know if it’s a paraplegic, I don’t know about that, all I know is that it was a severe spinal injury something has happened to the spine or whatever. All I know is that it is completely made whole; whether we know your name or whether we don’t whether you can see or whether you don’t we can’t God sees you. God has made this moment in time exactly for you so wherever you are with a spinal injury or a deformity in anyway stand up now from that bed of affliction and just start moving, just start moving get up raise your hands and jump, do something that you could not do and the pain will be gone and you’ll see that
God has healed you. Oh that’s beautiful Sid.
Sid: …I would say the biggest shortcoming most humans have because we had imperfect fathers is that we don’t realize how much God loves us. Is that the real motivation is to why you did the CD?
Joan: Do you know how many abused men and woman there are right there right there within your own eyeshot? You know in services I see these women they can’t get over, they can’t reach to God Almighty because of what has happened in their own lives, the men the same way. If we only could capture the understanding that God loved us so much that He gave His Son, His only begotten Son to die on a cross to go into the depths of hell and the Spirit of God brings life on them. And be resurrected for you and for me. I have a son named Michael, I wouldn’t give my son Sid if I… I wouldn’t give my son to save any body’s life I love him. But God gave a perfect Son just for us and if we’re only willing to understand that love. And in His word the word is the only thing that changes things not what I say, not testimonies, not anything the word of God changes peoples lives, changes the sick into the well. And you know that day that I told you about my friend choosing to believe what a man had to tell her over what God said to her. I decided never would I allow that and Sid God has taken me around this world many times laying hands on the sick and watching the impossible happen. And miracles are an everyday occurrence if only we could see them. Look outside and look at a tree and you’ll see the leaves on that tree or you see that tree itself how do you think that happened? That’s God, look at the sky it’s God, look at yourself, God’s love is inside of you and we either recognize it or we don’t. And so it’s my prayer today that we all come to know Him on a personal basis.
Sid: …I believe that the anointing of God is so strong that if you will pray for people and they by faith will do something they couldn’t previously do if you pray a very quick prayer for them I believe many are going to be healed right now.
Joan: Father it’s out desire Lord to pray a prayer of faith for every man and women and child that’s hearing our voice right now. Oh God by Your Spirit touch those that are infirmed Lord but even greater than that those that do not know Your Son Jesus as Lord and Savior. Father I pray that You heal their bodies Lord and many times they can’t believe until something is changed inside of them. Oh God from the crown of their head to the sole of their feet let them feel the resurrection power I pray and heal their bodies. Heal the one with the inverted leg I pray, heal the one with the open sore upon their leg Father in Jesus name from diabetes. Oh God heal the terminal heart disease and the one that’s sitting there blind and listening to this radio program. Father send the word wherever it may be Father either in this country or out of the country send the word Father and by Your Spirit Lord heal them. And Sid and I agree that Your will will be done and it is Your will that we all be made whole and that we prosper even as our spirit prospers. And so God in faith we ask and in the name of Jesus we receive. Thank You Father for healing those that can’t help themselves and Father they’re so lonely out there since September the 11th here in the United States there are those that are wringing their hands and sitting in absolute despair Father I pray that you touch them and let them feel Your love surround them Lord God, let the word become life to them Lord. And by Your Spirit all of the fear must be gone and all of the aloneness.
Sid: Shabbat broadcast we’re out of time Shabbat Shalom Mishpochah.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. When my guest plays the keyboard, supernatural things happen. The atmosphere is changed supernaturally. I know this will be hard for you to believe, but amazing signs happen, miracles happen. Are you ready for your breakthrough? Now I have to tell you. When I find out about Steve Swanson’s background, it really, there’s something in me that I just, it’s so wonderful. You see, the music came naturally to him. His mother was a worship leader, his father was a pastor and he came to know the Lord at age six, filled with the Holy Spirit at age six. Age eight, he starts as a little kid leading worship. But that’s not the thing that excites me. The thing that excites me, Steve, is you had such a heart for God at such a young age. You would lock yourself in the church to just worship God. Tell me about that.
STEVE: Absolutely. Well the church was actually attached to our house, so you go two steps and you’re in the church. And so I would lock myself in there and just play the piano. I started playing when I was six years old and I just played and worshiped the Lord in the church, which was our house.
SID: But having that tender heart, at such a young age, it almost shocks me, to be candid with you, that the lure of fame and money, when you got into high school kind of drew you away from spiritual things. He even did some work in a studio. He was making a $1000 a minute.
STEVE: That’s right.
SID: And so you’re on a train and a total stranger, you know, you’re in the car where they serve a meal, and a total stranger sits at the table, doesn’t order any food. Very strange. But then she looks at you and what happens?
STEVE: We’re sitting in that dining car. She sits down. She had this flowing blond hair and she looks at me, and she points her finger at me, and she’s across the table, and she goes, “You’re running from God.”
Woman: Stop running from God.
STEVE: She didn’t have any food and as soon as she said that, she got up and left out the back of the train. Never saw her again.
SID: It does talk in the Bible of, “Watch and be entertained.” It may be an angel. Do you think that was angel?
STEVE: It came at the right time. That was an angel. That was an angel sent to me by God to tell me, to remind me that God had the call on my life.
SID: And there shortly thereafter, just a coincidence, he’s invited to play keyboards and worship at a church meeting, and they decide to pick on you. What happened?
STEVE: Yeah, they cornered me. It was a set up. It was a set up. They had me come in and play orchestra parts, string parts and things like that. And they had a gospel choir, and a gospel choir does something to my spirit.
SID: I agree.
STEVE: I just, I can’t contain myself. So after the meeting while I’m in tears after hearing the music, the music is touching me, and they saw that, and they go, this is our chance. And they corner me and they laid hands on me, and they prayed for a refilling of the Spirit. And I was on my knees weeping before God, and that was a transforming moment then.
SID: What were you feeling when they were doing that, after all those years of being so cold for the things of God?
STEVE: It felt warm again. It felt life again. I felt light. I could feel that light, that same light that I would go in the church there and worship as a little kid. I could feel that returning, and I was on my knees and I kept saying, “like a mighty rushing wind, like a mighty rushing wind”, and it was a mighty rushing wind.
SID: Okay. Then you go to a music conference. Kent Henry is there and then you went to another meeting where it happened to be your home church, he was there. What happened?
STEVE: I’m at that conference and I’m watching Kent sit at the piano, and I really thought I was dying because I saw my head on his body. I’m having a, you know, an out-of-body experience and I’m feeling this warmth again, this like golden thread encircling me. It was God showing me, you know, what was to be. And coincidentally he came to the church we were at after that and he started prophesying about songs and about the sounds over me just a few weeks later after that.
SID: Now you are a world class worship leader. I have to tell you, I’ve listened to your music. I love your music.
STEVE: Thank you.
SID: It literally brings me joy. But you said to me, shocking, he says, “Sid, you are called to be a psalmist. Everyone is called to be a psalmist. It’s not just the paid professional. What do you mean by that?
STEVE: We’re all called to release the power and the presence of God. We are called as worshipers. You don’t have to have a worship leader to do worship. You are a worshiper. You were created to worship God. That is part of your DNA as creator to creation. I mean, it’s, he’s so beautiful, he’s so wonderful you can’t help but worship.
SID: You had an insight that all of nature is worshiping God in harmony with Heaven. Explain that.
STEVE: I was recording a track and the Lord told me to put the sound of the cricket on this track. So I went online and found the sound of a cricket and I put it in my computer, and that allowed me to slow it down and speed it up. I put the cricket, I’m having fun, I’m playing cricket chords on my keyboard.
SID: I haven’t heard that before.
STEVE: I’m having fun with that. So he says, slow it down. I play it again and it sounds like birds. And then you can take it down, it sounds like owls, and then you take it down even further, it sounds like the sound of the whales, woo, woo. And he says, “See all of creation is singing the same song. They’re just singing in different octaves.” Hallelujah. This whole thing is going on around us all the time.
SID: I understand you even prayed for people to hear the sounds of Heaven.
STEVE: Absolutely. I told that to a gentleman and he, I prayed for him. I prayed for him, he’s sitting there and he goes, “I don’t hear it.” So I go, I don’t know. He went home and he called me back in about 30 minutes, and he calls, and he goes, “I can hear it! I can hear it!” I go, “Hear what?” “I can hear the sound of creation! Now how do you turn it off!”
SID: Now you say that when we worship it’s God inviting us to Divine encounters.
STEVE: Absolutely. Absolutely. God wants to meet with us. We always think that we’re coming to meet with God, but hey, he’s coming to meet with us. And there’s this Divine exchange that happens in worship where the more you give glory to the King of Glory, the more this exchange that happens, and there’s this invitation from God to come up to a higher place and just, he wants to show us things. He wants to show us.
SID: That’s like the dream you had. Tell me the dream.
STEVE: Yeah. I dreamed I was at a James Brown concert. And I’m sitting in the front row and he’s up there going, “Get on up! Get on up right now!” I got up on the platform and I say, “Stop!” And he goes, “What are you doing? What are you doing?” I said, “It’s not get on up, it’s come on up, you know like come on up here and I’ll show you some things.” And when I said that, this scroll rolled down and the verses for this song were unfurled right before me. And I wrote them down as soon as I woke up: “The door is standing open and seated on the throne surrounded by a rainbow” just unrolled right over the whole.
SID: Okay. I release you now to sing that song. And I’m telling you something, you’re about ready to come on up.
Steve [music, singing]: I was in the spirit on the Lord’s day. I suddenly heard a voice behind me say, come on up, come on up, come on up, I want to show you some things. Come on up, come on up, come on up, I want to show you some things. A door is standing open when seated on the throne, surrounded by a rainbow like a gleaming precious stone. His eyes were gleaming fire, his hair is white as snow. Angels, elders, preachers, call him holy, holy, holy is the Lord. I was in the spirit on the Lord’s day. I suddenly heard a voice behind me say, come on up, come on up, come on up, I want to show you some things. Come on up, come on up, come on up, I want to show you some things. I see his hair is crystal that’s mingled with fire. The sound of crashing thunder and the river of life.
SID: Now every one of you is asking God for miracles. But rather than asking God for miracles this prophetic prayer is amazing. We are going to release miracles. Explain that, Kynan.
KYNAN: The average believer says, Lord, send a miracle. You know what God is saying? After you. Why? Because we’re, most believers are praying to Heaven. But when Jesus ascended in to the heavenly realm and he placed his blood upon the mercy seat, by his grace we were qualified to sit next to him. My God, next to him in the heavenly realm, which means that from now on we’re not supposed to pray to Heaven, we’re supposed to pray from Heaven.
SID: Now you talked about releasing miracles. What about releasing angels?
KYNAN: Yes. This is a very interesting story. I was on my way to California to do a revival and I had to, I was in the terminal, I think it was like [Gate] C30. Well my plane, and there was a very short layover, my plane was coming out of C90. And for those who can do math, that’s 60 terminals I had to walk through in Denver to get to where I was supposed to go. By the time I got there I thought that I had been left behind in the Rapture because everybody was gone, including the flight agent, everybody. So I get to the flight desk and he says, “I’m sorry, Sir.” He says, “Your plane is gone.” I said, “You don’t understand. I have an appointment in California.” He says, “There’s nothing I can do.” The plane had already gone out on the tarmac and they had taken the walkway to the plane. They had already retracted it everything. It was completely gone. The door had been sealed and closed. He said, “There’s nothing we can do.” And in my kind of frustration, I said something. I wasn’t really aware I was saying it. I said, “You don’t understand. I need a miracle now.” And those words came out of my mouth. And so when I said that, he said, “Well let me see.” He runs to the plane. He says, “They’re up, but I can’t do anything.” I said, “You don’t understand, I need a miracle now.” So he goes on the computer. Nothing happens. Then he gets on the phone. He calls the pilot on the phone and says, “Would you take one more?” He says, “Okay, but you got to run.” So we run out to the tarmac. They didn’t even see us. We had to beat on the side of the plane. And when we beat on the side of the plane they opened the door and they let me in.
SID: They don’t do that.
KYNAN: They never do that.
SID: I know.
KYNAN: They never do it.
SID: I tried so I know.
KYNAN: So here’s the thing.
SID: That was the difference. You proclaimed, I tried. That’s the difference.
KYNAN: Yes. The Lord said something to me after that experience. He showed me in the spiritual realm. When I said the words, “I need a miracle now,” the angels that were assigned to my destiny were released and they arrested that plane and did not allow it to leave. The Scripture says, “They harken to the voice of God’s Word.” Where is God’s Word? Romans 10 says it’s in your mouth. So when I spoke the Word, angels were dispatched to my location and they were assigned to minister to my need. How many areas of our life do we need angelic assistance? You know, God told me one time, he said, he says, “Kynan, there are too many angels that are unemployed.” I said, “What do you mean?” He said, “You know, many angels, they’re ready, they’re literally ready to break forth and release the deliverance we’ve been asking for. But what happens is when they get to our location they think they have the wrong address because by the time they show up, we’re saying something completely different than what God says.”
SID: I believe that people have already caught on to what you’re saying. And if you were to pray now we would see the works of God. We would see so many miracles.
SID: So many people set free of addiction. Pray as the spirit leads you right now.
KYNAN: Father, in Jesus’ name, I believe there are ministering angels right now. And Lord, we will not let them be unemployed. We’re going to utilize their services. In the name of Jesus I decree deliverance over every person under the sound of my voice. There’s a mother, you’ve been praying for your son to come to the Lord and he’s been living a lifestyle that you don’t approve of. But by the Spirit of God, I declare the angels arrest him now and they redirect him to his destiny. There’s someone battling with addictions. I declare those addictions are broken right now in Jesus’ name. Somebody has been battling a sickness for three years. You spend a lot of money, you spend a lot of energy, but today you are set free from that illness and you will never be bound again in the name of Jesus. So Father, we just thank you for your glory. Somebody is literally being impregnated by the Glory of God. You are being impregnated by miracles right now. And Lord, we release your miraculous power in the name of Jesus. Hallelujah.
SID: Do you realize that when Martin Luther King made his famous speech, it wasn’t a speech. He was making a dynamic prophetic statement. I want you to comment on that when we come back. You better come back.
Sid: Sid Roth here with Dr. Jane Glenchur and Jane you talk about a term I haven’t heard before it called “cloaking” what does that mean and explain it?
Jane: Yes I discovered that with my son he was in our study working of the computer he came out and said “The computer’s not working.” Well I’m a pretty low tech person so I went back there and did the very few things I know what to do and nothing worked. And so I turned to him and said “Let’s pray about it.” Well he looked at me like I had 2 heads and said “Mom it’s a computer problem.” And he walked off and I’m trying to you know patch up my heart feeling and he comes back and said “Your right it’s cloaking.” And I said “How can I be right when I don’t know what that is?” And he said “Cloaking and he took that term from Star Trek where the enemy’s spaceship puts a shield over itself so it can attack the good guys unseen.” And so he explained to me the enemy you know an evil spirit had botched up the computer and tried to convince us that it was simply a mechanical or electronic problem. And I said “Oh, okay.” So I took authority over it I bound it broke it off of the computer and it instantly started to work. So here was another serendipity. I thought “I wonder where we see this in other places I see it a lot of times with physical ailments.” For example, my son and I went shopping and doing errands for about 3 hours we came back home and he said “Oh Mom you know my foot hurts.” I said “Why?” He said “Because we were shopping for 3 hours.” And I said to him “Well my feet don’t hurt.” So I reached over and I put my hand on his foot and I said “I command that pain to go in Jesus name” and it was instantly gone. And I said “Mark that’s cloaking.” So the enemy can take our natural situation attach some assignment you know put a glitch in something or a pain on somebody and they will attribute it to a natural cause and never think that it’s really demonic. So I just see this over and over again especially when I go up to a cash register in a store and suddenly the clerk says “Oh my register stopped working the computer’s not working.” So I will silently in my head just bind the enemy just break it off and 9 times out of 10 it comes back on line and we’re fine. And so that’s what cloaking is and I think it’s really important to just have this thought in your head “Could this be a demonic attack either against one’s body or against something mechanical or something electronic?”
Sid: Now you wrote a book on this subject “Seven Secrets to Power Praying.” What do you mean by power praying by the way?
Jane: Well I believe that God is glorified when we pray prayer that in the natural cannot be answered in our own strength or using a natural abilities. Prayers that require a supernatural intervention so that’s what I mean by power praying. And Jesus said that “We will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you.” So we’re really relying on the power of the Holy Spirit and accessing God’s wisdom for whatever our prayer request is.
Sid: Well let’s take a couple of these secrets. The first one is “Say Yes First.” Tell me the time that you were pinned to the floor.
Jane: Yes well my son is avid reader and so we would frequently go to a local Christian bookstore; that particular day I did not want to go in because I have enough books and I didn’t want to buy any more. So I sat in the car and it started to get chilly because it was a fall day and I went into the store found my son and just stood there waiting for him to make his decision. When suddenly I felt this heavy presence of the Holy Spirit on me and I couldn’t move. It was as if my feet were pinned to the floor my son noticed this funny look on my face and said “Mom what’s wrong?” I told him “I feel like I’m pinned to this spot I can’t move.” So I thought “Why is God doing this?” I didn’t get an answer. So I turned to my right where there was a bookshelf and my eyes fell on the first book which was entitled “Experiencing the Spirit” by Henry and Melvin Blackabee. So I picked up the book and randomly opened it and started reading. I thought “My goodness this is anointed writing.” So I asked God I said “I don’t need another book but do you want me to buy this.” And I got a confirmation that I was to buy it not only for myself but for someone else and in that book I learned the concept of saying yes to God first before you even know what He’s asking you to do.”
Sid: So how do you practically do that?
Jane: Well in the convicting statement was “If Jesus is Lord of my life that means the answer to anything God asks me to do needs to be yes.” So there are times when I struggle with saying yes I think we all do. And if there’s something God has said to do because maybe it upsets me or I don’t want to do it I would say “God I give You permission to change my heart and mind about this; I say yes to whatever it is that you’re going to ask me to do I say yes because you will equip me to do it.” And so that has really been another way to be in the perfect will of God when our own human flesh maybe does not want to go in that direction.
Sid: Tell me another secret such as tapping into God’s heart.
Jane: Yes well that’s one of my favorites because sometimes when we come to God and we’re asking specific requests we don’t allow God a chance to just tell us just what’s on His heart. And so one day a friend had asked me to come over to pray she had a very serious issue that she needed an answer to, and so I said to her I said “I want to honor God first before we ask your question let’s honor God but just asking what’s on His heart today.”
Sid: Now do you start every day that way?
Jane: Yes hmm hm.
Sid: That’s a great way to start your prayer not “God this is what’s on my heart; God what is on your heart,” what a difference.
Jane: So when I said that “God what is on your heart?” It’s really giving Him card blanch to say whatever He wants to tell us. And so what I heard very clear was an inner quiet voice that said “Your mother will not die this year.” Well that wasn’t even a thought in my head. Yes she was elderly but why would God be telling me that? And I heard it again and again so I thought well this must be important I’m going to write it down. It turns out 3 months later she was in a severe accident she fell stepping into her garage from her house, fractured her pelvis in 3 places, fractured her shoulder and could not get any ones attention for help. She dragged herself across the entire garage floor to the opening of the garage and thankfully the door was open but it was 9:00 PM and nobody was outside, and it was especially chilly day so the temperature dropped and she laid there for perhaps 9 hours on the concrete before someone heard her cry for help. When we got to the emergency room the doctor pulls me aside knowing I’m a physician showed me the x-rays and says “This is very serious she’s lost several pints of blood she may not make it you need to call in your family.” Well I already remembered what God said “My mother’s not going to die this year.” So I just said “No she’ll be fine.” Now he may have thought I was crazy but I felt strongly I had to agree what God had already told me. And then the same thing happened because they transferred her to a level 1 trauma center the same thing happened with the next ER physician she said to me “I don’t think your Mom’s going to make it you need to call in the family.” And I said “No she’ll be fine” and I kept declaring that. And because God had said that to me it helped me to make decisions about her care for the next 2 months and she recovered and she fully recovered.
Sid: You know your teaching is so practical tell me one person that comes to mind that sat under your teaching and what happened to them.
Jane: Well mostly it’s my children to begin with during the 16 years but over time I had mentored a number of people. And it always amazes me that they are able to start getting impressions and making decisions that way. They’re usually surprised by what I pray about, but what they will say to me “No I never thought about praying about this but I did and God showed me something.” In particular a friend taught her husband to do this. He needed to make a decision about whether to take a new job or not. He had not even read the book but they sat down and she said “Let’s just ask God and see if He’ll show you whether you this job that you just interviewed at is the right choice for you.” He immediately got a picture in his mind to confirm to take the new job I was amazed by that.