SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Matt Sorger. And I know no one went away. Because Matt goes into his office, he’s a young pastor and the presence of God is there, and he’s got his laundry list of things he has to do. Would you believe as spiritual as he his, he tells God, he’s arguing, and he says, I’ve got to do all these things. I feel guilty that I haven’t done all these things. How could you do that, Matt? I mean, God is there in your room.
MATT: I know. It’s the natural tendency of the human mind. But as I was feeling these feelings of guilt for taking too much time, what I thought was too much time in prayer, God spoke to me and He said, “Matt, if you don’t have this time with me now you won’t be able to step into what I have for you in the future.” And at that time I was a young pastor. I had no idea God wanted to use me for healing, that we’d be traveling to all these nations and seeing all these wonderful things happen by the anointing of God. But I knew that day that my present moment with the Lord would determine my future ministry and calling of God.
SID: I know that had I not spent time in the Spirit with the Lord in the early days, you know what I believe, Matt? When I was praying in supernatural languages, I was prophesying my future and I didn’t even know it. That’s what I believe. But then there’s a second thing I want Matt to explain to you. When he was in college, the Lord came to him and spoke to him, and gave him some very strong instructions. What did he tell you?
MATT: This was before I had stepped into ministry. I was just getting a sense of my call, and it was the first prophetic word God ever spoke to me, and He said to me, the top of His list for me was the bottom of my list, and the bottom of my list was the top of His list, and he was going to invert it correctly. And He said the top of His list for me was the refinement of my character and the bottom of His list was the fulfillment of my ministry. And He said that He was going to cause my roots to go so deep in Him, that when the day came in the future and I would experience success in ministry, that I would be solid and I would not be moved to the right or to the left because my roots had time to go down in God with the refinement of my character. And I will say from that word, years in my life, God put me through His fire, refined me, tested me, tried me, purified my life so that as that anointing began to overflow out of my life I would be able to sustain and carry it.
SID: This is so important. No matter how old you are, God is more concerned about your character than your gifting. Get that, get that well, because Matt now is seeing the most amazing miracles. But before we get to even some of those miracles, there was another key that happened in your life, and that was you had an opportunity just before Oral Roberts went to Heaven to be prayed for. And you asked him to meet a very important question. What was that question?
MATT: I asked him, it was a few months before he went home to be with the Lord. I asked him, what was the key to his miracle ministry? To the miracles he saw in his tent meetings. And I was surprised a little bit by his answer. I shouldn’t have been, but I was a little surprised.
SID: I would have thought, I got an anointing and miracles happen wherever I go. That’s what I would have expected him to say.
MATT: Exactly. Or I was expecting him to say something about faith. And he looked at us, there was a small group of us there, and he said, “A lot of people would think it was my faith that was the main key for all the miracles we saw.” He said, “But everyone has faith. The Bible says we all have faith.” He said, “I don’t have to seek for faith. God has given us the faith. That’s what the Word says.” He said, “But when I go into my hotel room before a crusade, I would begin to pray for God to give me His love for the people.” He said, “As God began to fill my heart with love, the miracles exploded to a whole new level in the meetings.”
SID: So out of curiosity, since he told you that, how do you pray before a meeting?
MATT: I began to pray for God’s love. And I don’t pray it even just before a meeting. I make it a part of my daily prayer life. Lord, constantly fill my heart with your love. Overflow my heart with your compassion. And you know, when you study the Word, you see it. The Bible says Jesus was moved with compassion and he healed the sick. Galatians 5 says that, “Faith works through the love.” And the amplified explains it this way. Faith is motivated by love, energized by love, set into motion by love and love is actually the key that ignites faith.
SID: Okay. How would you like to go to India with Matt to a leper colony and love these people? These are people that are the lowest level of society. No one, they probably have never been touched since they started with their leprosy. What did you and our team do there?
MATT: The Lord sent us there and we had fed the lepers, we sat with them. We had women on our team sit in the dirt with their arms around other women that had leprosy. Their hands were falling off. Parts of their face, I mean, open sores. But this love of God overwhelmed our hearts. And we laid hands on them, hugged them, prayed for them. And after we left…
SID: Wait a second. You hugged a leper? Don’t you, Matt, didn’t your mother tell you it’s contagious?
MATT: It is contagious.
SID: You saw what happens to someone with leprosy. All their skin comes off.
MATT: I know.
SID: I mean you really embraced them?
MATT: Yes we did. And you know what? And that’s where my faith is at, because I know as a believer in Jesus, we’re covered with the blood of Jesus. My faith says before sickness can touch my body it has to go through the blood of Jesus first, and it will die before it gets to me. So that was my faith. But when we got home from that trip, the pastor from India called us weeping on the other end of the phone.” Matt, we went back to the leper colony and the lepers told us, when that white man came in and put his hand on us we felt something in our bodies and the leprosy has stopped.” And the pastor was weeping because he had never seen this happen before where the lepers were getting healed, not only healed, they were getting loved and they were receiving healing on the inside and on the outside.
SID ROTH: Just as Matt shared that, the love of God just erupted. And I pray in Yeshua’s name that Matt will operate in that compassion when we come back. Don’t go away.
SID: Hello, Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. I mean, that’s normal. Let me tell you another thing that is normal. I had a One New Man Conference in Charlotte, North Carolina, and Bill Morford came to that One New Man Conference. And tell us what happened. What happened to you, Bill?
BILL: Well that was awesome because one evening, whoever had the service, called out and said, “God is putting gold teeth in mouths right now.” And I didn’t think much about it. So I participated. I raised my hand because my dentist had told me just a few weeks earlier that there was a tooth that would need a gold crown. And when he finished he asked for, he said, “Be sure to have someone check your mouth.” And he repeated that. And so Gwen, my wife, came and said, “Let me look.” And she looked in and there was a gold tooth. So we had others…
SID: Did you ever go back to that dentist who said you needed a gold crown?
BILL: I didn’t have to. I went home.
SID: We had it on Internet and it was also on television when we had our One New Man Conference, and here’s the amazing thing. His dentist just happened to be watching. So what did she say when she saw the X-ray, she saw your gold tooth?
BILL: She said she had to look in my mouth to see just how it was, and she told me that no lab on earth could make a gold crown like that.
SID: You know, as amazing as that is, there’s something else that happened that was amazing to Bill. Bill went to Israel in 1984, which changed the whole paradigm. Everything of his understanding and his focus, and he went on a 20-year quest to recapture the Jewish roots of the entire Bible, to recapture what those idioms mean. What’s an idiom, by the way?
BILL: Well an idiom, we use in English a lot, is, it’s raining cats and dogs.
SID: But see, there were idioms at the time that the scriptures were written, and they all understood it, so it didn’t have to be explained in the scriptures. And he recaptured the power of the Bible. What do you mean by the power of the translation of the Bible?
BILL: Because both the Hebrew and the Greek are very expressive languages, and they have commands, they use different moods and they don’t get translated properly. I don’t know why the scholars…
SID: Give me an example of something would affirm was not translated properly and then it was, and what difference it made.
BILL: All right. I told you my favorite is the Aaronic Blessing, where we’re all told, “May the Lord bless you and keep you.”
SID: I pray that everyday over the radio.
BILL: “May the Lord make his face to shine upon and be gracious to you. May the Lord lift his countenance to you and give you peace.” But let me tell you what the Hebrew really says. It’s the “Lord WILL bless you and He WILL keep you. The Lord will make His face to shine upon you and He will be gracious to you. The Lord WILL lift His countenance to you and He will establish you in shalom.”
SID: I love it. You see the difference? May the Lord bless you. The Lord WILL bless you. I say that to you right now. You think you’re just watching a television show. No, you’re not. The Spirit of God says to you, “The Lord WILL bless you.” Bill, what happened to you in ’84, in Israel?
BILL: Stepping off the plane, I just felt, I’m home. I didn’t know why. And I saw Hebrew street signs, different things in Hebrew and I just knew that I had to do digging. And of course, we went to all the Christian sites and it was just blessed all over. It just gave me a hunger to find what Israelites should all know about the power of God and about the ground where Jesus walked.
SID: He studied Greek under a great Greek scholar. But then God opened up a door where a, was he a conservative rabbi?
BILL: He still is.
SID: A conservative, traditional rabbi taught him Hebrew. But he was not just an ordinary rabbi. Who was his grandfather?
BILL: Eliezer Ben Yehuda.
SID: And what did Eliezer Ben Yehuda do?
BILL: He wrote a 16-volume dictionary that really introduced Hebrew, reintroduced it as the spoken language of Israel.
SID: He literally fulfilled Bible prophecy because Jews, the Bible says that Jews would be scattered to the four corners of the earth, and in a moment, Israel would become a nation. And the Jews would be maintained as a distinct people and come back to their homeland. But when they came back to the homeland, each one spoke the language from the country they went to. So this rabbi was, the grandfather of this rabbi was the one that God picked to reintroduce spoken Hebrew into Israel, and his grandson taught you. It’s so amazing what he taught you about Hebrew. But let’s whet their appetite in Greek, because you studied Greek. Twenty years he worked on studying the Hebrew, studying the Greek, understanding what the idioms really meant, understanding what the Jewish roots are, understanding the messianic prophecies. When the Bible says, in the New Testament, “sickness”, what does the Greek say?
BILL: Well there is a Greek word for “sickness”, but there’s also a Greek word that means “evil” that has traditionally been translated “sickness”.
SID ROTH: So I believe “sickness” is evil. Now that means that when you are sick, don’t pamper yourself. Get rid of the evil. Don’t go away. Wait until you hear some of the revelation from the ancient Greek and the ancient Hebrew that Bill has found out. It’s going to change a lot of your thinking. We’ll be right back.
Sid: Now the devil has coming in with a flood but the Spirit of the Lord is raising up young people, a generation of young people that will love God with all of their heart. What did God show you about this generation being raised up Rebecca Greenwood?
Becca: This generation, I believe is living in the most strategic time of history in the Body of Christ and this is why I think the battle is raging so strongly against them. I believe that they are going to see and experience supernatural realm, the kingdom of God manifested, the kingdom of God realized. Much of what we have been prophesying and speaking about and even what the prophets in the word of God were speaking about; I believe they are so strategic for this time. And that they are going to see and I think that they are going to usher in the next move of God in the kingdom and you know there was one Sid, particular young woman that just to even show you the kind of influence young people can have but also how the enemy will want to come and to release backlash and counter attack against them. And I want to say even right now, you know we teach on this in the book and we have to have this understanding but we are also not ones, we are not going around looking for darkness all the time. What this book does is it teaches us how to discern and live in this realm to see the schemes of the enemy defeated and God’s purposes.
Sid: Now could you picture Mishpochah if your parents had taught you to have an understanding, a healthy understanding of the supernatural; a healthy understanding of recognizing that you have nothing to fear of the demonic. And it’s the authority and the power but what Becca has done with her brand new book, “Let Our Children Go” as she shows you step by step how to teach your children how they can recognize if the demonic is in their life. How they can take authority, could you picture Becca if you were five or six and you had been taught this?
Becca: It would be awesome just as we shared earlier this week there would have been no need for me to have been afraid all the way until the age of twenty-three.
Sid: But people are afraid their whole life; they have depression, oppression; they have fear; they have problems you know what the world calls it issues. They have these familiar spirits; if they could be free they could fulfill their destiny. Now, let me tell you a sad story Becca; I had a friend, he was a medical doctor and he got a hold of understanding the past tense of God’s word and healing and what the Messiah has done for us he went around teaching it. And then all of a sudden he was struck with terminal cancer; and he said no problem, I’m going to be fine. Well he died and when he died many stopped believing in the promises of God and that was the objective behind it. But what I found out; many years later is he went to a foreign country to do evangelism and he didn’t even realize it but witch doctors put curses on him and he knew nothing about that aspect. He knew about how to stand on God’s word for His promises but he didn’t know how to get rid of those curses. Tell me a story about a friend of your in China that was involved in evangelism.
Becca: This young girl actually went over as at the age of eighteen and she was involved in evangelism in China and was there for a year, loved the work; came home with full intentions of going back and when she returned home she was struck with intense physical pain; food allergies to the point that she almost could not eat anything. And she was basically pretty much home bound; I mean she could get out and do things but she was sick, she as a sick young girl. And so she came to us around the age of twenty and because she had been home for several months and we ministered to her. And I broke the power, just like what you are talking about with this gentleman; broke the power of witchcraft curses that had come against her while she was evangelizing in the nation of China. And within those curses all infirmity and death that was unleashed and spoken out against her. And so we prayed and we broke the power and do you know what Sid; her pain instantly left, all of her food allergies are gone; she’s totally healed and the Lord is preparing to release her back into the nation of China for evangelism. And so we have to have the understanding that we are in a battle and this battle is very real and we have to have that understanding and that authority. Now she knows when she goes back in this time I’ve got to have intercessors praying for me, I have to be cautious of not allowing people of darkness if they want to come and lay hands, if they want to touch me…
Sid: You know I don’t and this use to bother me, if I don’t know someone, even if they’re a Christian I don’t want them laying hands on me.
Becca: I agree, and she learned that and that’s what we feel like happened to her in China out of graciousness, oh let me hold your palm, let me practice my witchcraft practices and that became an open door. So she now has that understanding that I cannot let anyone to lay hands on me to quickly. We have guard what God has given us; and so even for this next generation that are going to the nations, this is one thing that you know that we are teaching and equipping them on how to maneuver in other cultures without allowing something like that to become an open door. Someone touching you or laying hands on you that shouldn’t.
Sid: Tell me very briefly because I’m curious about this man; everyday he started dropping ten or fifteen pounds.
Becca: Yes, ha-ha-ha, I was ministering at a church event and it was very powerful. At the end it was we actually at altar ministry time that day went five hours. The presence of God was so strong and we saw so many people get freedom and get healed. And this one gentleman had a stronghold of bondage. He basically had an addiction to food and we ministered to him I broke that power of bondage and literally I began to get emails and facebook messages from his wife that every morning since that time that ten to fifteen pounds he would wake up and he’s be ten to fifteen pounds lighter because God had set him free from that bondage and that addiction.
Sid: Now Becca, let me tell you something right now, “I believe that people are going to be emotionally healed as you sing songs of deliverance right now; would you do that.”
Becca: Absolutely, I’m going to start singing with a worship song that we should all know “Draw Me Close to You.” Draw me close to you, never let me go, lay it all down again to hear you say that I’m your friend, You are my desire, no one else will do, cause nothing else can take your place, to feel the warmth of your embrace. Help me find the way, bring me back to you. Your all I want, Your all that ever needed. Your all I want, help me know that You are near. Your all I we want, Jesus, Your all we’ve ever needed. Your all we want, help us know You are near; help them know You are near.” Lord we thank You that You will go that places with Your Father’s heart of love. Lord release that healing power to their hearts right now to those deep places within their minds and their emotions. Holy Spirit, go there now and touch those places in their hearts Lord, complete emotional healing, every trauma washed away. Thank you Jesus.
Sid: There is a presence of God that I’m stepping into the gift of miracles right now and if you have a pain in your shoulder, raise your arm right now above your head and you’ll see that that pain is gone and your back, the neck; that anointing just threw the gift of miracles; just kicked it into place.
Sid: We want everyone everywhere to hear the good news, we want everyone everywhere to hear God’s voice; we want everywhere to have a stream; to have a vision. I mean twenty-four seven from the throne room. Time is growing short, God’s got a destiny and if you can hear God’s voice and you are willing you can fulfill the destiny. And my guest Mark Virkler says that everyone that takes his course can hear God’s voice. …Mark let’s review what God showed you are the four keys to hear His voice.
Mark: Alright, that sounds great Sid we can put it; we can get it down to four words; stillness, vision, spontaneity and journaling. And we can make can make it a sentence; hearing God’s voice is as simple as quieting yourself down; fixing your eyes on Jesus; tuning to spontaneity and writing. And so when a person asks how to hear God’s voice, that’s what you can tell them.
Sid: Now what about people that are sick, have you got many stories of people that have taken your course that have learned how to hear God’s voice and then found out what they had to do to receive healing?
Mark: Well, we do. We have a lot of people who received healing because these basic underline principals are principals from releasing intimacy with God and the anointing of God and the power of the Holy Spirit. And I can share a little bit of my own struggle to learn to pray for the sick successfully and than a few people’s testimonies. But for myself, you know healing was not a part of my background and when I got hungry to want to pray for healing first not too much happened. But I finally got together with two other people who were want and willing to mentor me and grow with me in the area of healing and we spent three months in focused effort in emailing back and forth two or three times a week saying “What do you do that makes healing work better for you and then trying and I’m just trying to understand what they are doing and then trying those things ourselves to see if it would make healing work better for us. And one of the guys I related to was a guy from Pennsylvania and he said, “Well what you need to do is you need to step into the light before you pray for healing.” And I said, “What do you mean, step into light? I heard you say the words but what do you mean step into the light? It took me three weeks to pull out of him what he meant by stepping into the light. But what he’s saying is God was light and if you would step into His light and see His light surrounding you before you begin to lay hands on people then His light, His power, His energy would be stronger upon you and stronger through you into the person that you are praying for. And so I began in trying that because I had learned something that we already say. We say a pictures worth a thousand words and I had learned the power of pictures over the years and I just never applied picturing or using vision as part of my healing prayer. I knew it as part of heart faith because when God spoke to Abraham the father of faith in him he did it with a picture, he said, “See the stars of the heaven, you’re going to have that many kids.” And that’s Genesis 15:5 and the next verse says “Then Abraham believed.” So belief was a direct result of seeing a picture from God and we all know that if we have heart faith we can cast them out into the sea. So I say, “God does heart faith entail?” He says, “One of the things that it entails is seeing a picture.” Hearing a Rhema Word because God spoke a Rhema Word to Abraham on chapter 12 of Genesis, “I’m making you a Father of many people.” And He also gave him a vision so He said, “Mark if you want to do a miracle you need a Rhema Word from Me and a vision from Me.” And so I understood that and so I said, “Well fine so what’s a vision look like?” If I’m laying hands on the sick and praying for them, I mean what I understand theologically is that power is leaving my hands, going into their body and driving the darkness out. The woman with the issue of blood she could feel the power of God enter her; so I said “Fine, what does power look like if I want to use a picture because pictures produce heart faith.” And every time the Bible says the imagination always with imagination of the heart and I want to use the faculty of the heart and so what does power look like? And I thought well it looks like light, so I said, “Okay God, it says in the Bible they use light in the Book of Revelation so they’ve seen the power of God; and so I say “Lord, would you anoint my hands, would you anointing me with healing power” and then I would see my hands being filled with the light, the power and the light of Almighty God; I would see His light overshadowing me. I would lay my hands upon a person and I would see that light, that power as light leave my right hand, go into their body and come back, the energy would come back through my left hand and a conduit for Devine Power; and I would see it drive out the darkness of that body. And Jesus laid hands on so two hands, that’s plural and to make an electric current work you have two wires; positive and negative so my right hand is a positive; the energy is leaving. So the word in the Greek for energy is energeous which is translated power and it means active energy. So the active energy of the Holy Spirit is leaving my right hand; going into their body; driving the darkness out and the circuits completed by the energy coming back through my left hand. And so I understood that finally and I began to practice doing that. And I demonstrated that on weekend seminars when I go out I say “Here’s how you can use vision and flow and spontaneity as you pray for healing.” And I’ll ask for somebody, I’ll ask for a simple, some healings are simple and some are hard and as long as I’m doing an experiment in front of a group and this is not my forte ministry because my forte ministry is teaching. So this is my extra ministry which is healing so I choose a simple one and so the simple one is pain, recent pain in your body is easier to heal than chronic pain. And it’s easier to heal than getting a whole new arm back you know. And so I say somebody have simple intense pain in the last week or so in your body raise your hand and want to get healed they’ll come forward. And so I’ll just teach what I just taught you, I’ll lay my hand on their body, speak to the pain and say “In the Name of Jesus and if you are listening on this radio there is no reason you can’t do this, just lay your hands on your body; see them as the hands of Jesus; see the power of God flowing through your hands and say speak to your body and speak to that pain and say “In the Name of Jesus I speak to this pain and I command it to leave this body right now in the Name of Jesus. Pain leave this body right now in the Name of Jesus and I ask for the light and power and healing of Almighty God to flow into this body. And I speak for all darkness to be driven out of my body in Jesus Name right now and for the light and power of Almighty God to fill me from the top of my head to the tips of my toes and just look to see that happen. Look and watch that happen and feel the power of God just flow into you and through you; and as you do that and as I do that basically most times a person is either healed of that pain or greatly healed if not completely largely healed. If you are largely healed the first time and this prayer works one time and you pray the second time and it will take you further the second time. And pray the third time it should finish it up so…
Sid: Now Mark I believe because I feel the Holy Spirit just bubbling throughout my body right now that people are being healed. I also believe that people that have back problems if you will bend over right now in Jesus name and you’ll see that the pain is gone. And there’s someone with a hip problem, if you will walk. You see faith without a corresponding action is dead; you don’t want your faith to be dead. So if you are driving, I understand you can’t do that so pull over to the side of the road and bend over, but why not be a doer of God’s word rather than a hearer only. I believe that not just pain Mark, but there is such a flow of the Spirit of God right now that people can be healed of any even life threatening diseases like heart trouble, I believe that you can receive your new heart right now. I believe that people with cancer that the cancer is gone in Jesus name. Mark tell me one person that comes to mind that was physically healed briefly.
Mark: Alright let me share a story here from a lady. She was from Australia, her daughter was in Australia, in a YWAM base and she was having a terrible time with her skin, rashes kept just pumping up. And so this lady said that when she prayed for her she practiced just doing this; she pictured Jesus engulfing her in light with healing anointing power and her mother let that power flow through her to her daughter. And she felt that anointing just release from her into her daughter and she prayed this from a distance because she wasn’t with her daughter. And the next morning she gets an email from her daughter saying “By the way God completely healed all of my rashes, all of them in capital…
Sid: Because time is slipping away Mark would you prophesy over the listeners right now.
Mark: Father we just thank you that you are the same yesterday, today and forever. Father we thank You that Your Word never change so Jesus is our example. And I just speak to your right now in the Name of Jesus you can live as Jesus lived out of Devine initiative only doing what you see the Father doing and what you hear the Father speaking. And the Lord is saying, “Let faith arise in your heart right now and say this is for me, this is for me.” Say, “I can do this, say I can do this in Jesus Name I can do this and anything within me that is a barrier will leave in Jesus Name; anything that blocks this will leave. Bad theology will leave, ungodly beliefs will leave but I will be like Jesus, I will see vision all the time and I will hear God’s voice all the time and I will not rest until this is established as a foundational part of my lifestyle. And so Father, I release the anointing that God has given to me to you in Jesus Name, the anointing that I have to hear and to see I release it to you in Jesus Name and I speak an ease over you that with ease you will be able to hear God’s voice as spontaneous thoughts, you’ll be able to see God’s vision as spontaneous vision and a whole new lifestyle will erupt in you as you live out of the river of God in Jesus Name, Amen.
Sid: Mark, there is such a flow and that is the word a flow of the Spirit of the Living God is a literal river, take advantage of this whatever you need…
Sid: We are the Mishpochah which is a Hebrew word; it means family and we’re the Mishpochah, the family with the Jewish heart. Made up of Jewish and non-Jewish people where the middle wall of separation between Jew and Gentile it’s finally come down to form one new it actually says in the Greek, it doesn’t even say man, it says one new humanity. It’s as if I can see the prophet Paul proclaiming with every fiber of his being when that middle wall of separation comes down between between Jew and Gentile and there is a merger of that ancient spiritual DNA and the new covenant gentile spiritual DNA it’s going to make the full dwelling place of God by His Spirit. And devil, watch out, we even know from the patterns of ancient Israel exactly where we’re at and what is about ready to happen. It is so precise, but it takes a Messianic Jewish Rabbi that has been called by God as a prophetic teacher that just happens to live right outside of New York City and just happens to walk the grounds when historic things are going on. And has just put together this mystery and we’re making it available in a two part series; seven CDs it’s a prophetic series like you have never heard in your life; it’ll be better than watching CNN or Fox News. It’s “Harbinger the Warning and Harbinger the Shaking.” Were making it available…causing Jewish people to come to know the Messiah so that we can go arm and arm Jew and Gentile one in the Messiah; one in Jesus. Now my guest is Rabbi Jonathan Cahn and we have been listening all this week for the revelation that he got from Isaiah the 9th Chapter the tenth verse and everything we see in the progressive judgment of Israel is happening in America. And I want to talk today about a harbinger which is a word that means a warning of the proclamation that was made from Washington that is a further progressive open door for judgment on the United States of America, Rabbi Jonathan Cahn.
Jonathan: Yeah, the setting is the ultimate thing is, God has given a key to the judgment of a nation and the same exact pattern, the same exact signs of warnings have been now has been manifesting in America. It starts off with a breach of national security that happened to ancient Israel then came these nine harbingers, these warnings, these signs that appeared in the land in one form or another. And Israel turned away from God and was ultimately destroyed. God was sending warning, now America since 911 has been receiving the same harbingers, the same warnings that same signs all men’s manifesting in the land. And today I’m going to get to the ninth harbinger and this blew me away because, again Sid, when we were talking about how this came, you know, I was led step by step and it was like a puzzle piece in a puzzle piece when again when each thing that in Isaiah 9:10 the tree, the stone, you know onward and all of sudden I had no idea that this was actually proclaimed to the nation the ninth harbinger is now the prophecy and it’s similar to the vow but a little bit different. You see its 9/11 actually well, it’s funny, I mean not funny but its Isaiah 9:10 very close, it’s not only a vow it’s a prophecy for two reasons. One it was foretelling the future, it was what was going to happen to the nation. The nation was It was saying, “We are going to do this,” and they did. And secondly it was recorded by Isaiah the prophet and became a matter of prophetic revelation about what was going to happen to the nation, judgment and it was, it became a matter of national record, it’s there Isaiah. So the ninth harbinger is that these words have to appear in the form of prophecy, in other words before the fact the words of the ancient vow have to be proclaimed. So most likely soon after the attack by a national leader; as it would have been in the ancient times, that’s what, they’re the ones who said these words in the capital city, that’s where they would have said it and it has to become a matter of national record and it has to be proclaimed in connection to the calamity or 9/11 setting the course of the nation towards judgment, without repentance if we don’t repent. So could the ninth harbinger, the leaders proclaiming this the answer is yes; when? On the very day after 9/11 in the Capital City, Washington, DC by a national leader who is one of the highest leaders you could ever have, the senate majority leader in connection to 9/11. Where did it take place, it takes place on Capitol Hill itself from the floor of the senate chamber. It becomes a matter of national record. Now it couldn’t have become more dramatic or profound, it was a morning…if we don’t repent so to the ninth harbinger manifests it’s self in America, the leaders in the capital proclaiming this the answer is yes.
Sid: Who was this?
Jonathan: This is Tom Daschle.
Jonathan: Senate, of the Democratic Senate Majority Leader and it’s the morning after the calamity 9/11, it’s the next morning. The nation’s about to have to give its response to 9/11. It becomes even more prophetically important, the nation’s about to give its response so this is what Isaiah 9:10 is all. The man in charge is Tom Daschle because he’s the head of the senate; he approaches the floor of the United States senate and so what’s the response of America, he representing the nation here and so he gives this speech and at the end of his speech, and at the end of his speech he reaches the conclusion, the pinnacle as he utters these words. Now listen what he says, these are the exact words, it’s the Senate record, “I know that there is only the smallest measure of inspiration that can be taken from this devastation, but there is a passage in the Bible from Isaiah that I think speaks to all of us at times like this. And then he goes, “The bricks have fallen down…
Jonathan: But we will rebuild with dressed stones.
Sid: For those that don’t know, he’s quoting Isaiah 9:10 the same scripture we’ve been talking about all week. Go ahead.
Jonathan: With all the harbingers and without realizing what he’s doing the fig trees have been felled but we will replace them with cedars of all the scriptures you mentioned last and then this again out of 30,000 scriptures he chooses the one that specifically proclaims judgment and here’s it’s the day after 9/11 and he’s in charge of issuing American’s response, is it going to repent or what’s it going to do? And he gives us America’s response, the words uttered by ancient Israel in the opening act of judgment against that land without realizing what he’s doing. He’s linking up America to the nation under judgment, he’s making Israel’s response now becomes America’s response. After he recites the ancient vow he closes his speech with this. He says, it’s not just that he’s quoting something, he says this, “This is what we will do, America, we will rebuild and we will recover.” In other words the ancient ominous vow that brought judgment to ancient Israel now becomes America’s vow, he sets the course of nation and it’s going to become true. America, at least up to this point has not returned to God and it is seeking to assault to defy the calamity. And now a question here, “can someone who isn’t a prophet, prophesy? Absolutely the bible says Cephas, it is necessary he spoke a prophecy that one man would die for the nation. It says that he was speaking a prophecy because it was his office. So it was the same principal now but now it’s you know, you read in the Bible, it’s happening right now. The senate majority leader represents the senate which represents the nation so by virtue of his office like Cephas. He says that it’s necessary he spoke a spoke a prophecy that one man would die for the nation. It says that he was speaking a prophecy because it was his office. So it is the same principal now. But now you know you read in the Bible it’s happening right now. The senate majority leader represents the senate, which represents the nation. So by virtue of his office like Cephas, I’m not talking about the man, Tom Daschle, he could issue the nations response and speak a prophecy. And of course he doesn’t realize what he’s doing. And amazing closure too because he says something just before he brings forth this prophetic word. He’s says this, “I know that that this is only the smallest measure of inspiration and then he gives the word. But interesting he meant it was only the smallest measure to inspire you, but actually the word has a double meaning. The word inspiration literally means to be breathed in as it appears in the Bible it means Spirit breathed as if a word from God. So without even realizing it the words are marked by a double meaning, the word inspiration meaning God is now going to speak. And so here and literally this prophecy in another way, he’s speaks of a fallen tree, he had no idea there was actually a fallen tree at ground zero, the same tree of Isaiah 9:10, he had no idea, this is the day after they didn’t even really discover it in the ruins. But he speaks about it, it’s prophetic, he speaks about putting up dress store cut stone, he had no idea that this would actually take place on ground zero three years from that date. And when he speaks of planting cedars in place of fallen tree he has no idea he’s prophesying that it’s going to happen. It is going to take place at ground zero that’s the place the seventh harbinger is going to be planted where the sycamore fell. It is the sealing of a nation’s course.
Sid: Now, now I have to ask you this question because it’s dawned on me when you talked yesterday about the vow that John Edwards made using that same passage and then we know that John Edwards fell. Now you’re talking about Tom Daschle making this vow or proclamation representing the leadership of America and it’s almost as if it’s a prophetic warning because he fell from office also.
Jonathan: That’s correct.
Sid: Imean, I’m amazed as I’m hearing you say this.
Jonathan: Yeah, yeah he was, yeah he was after this he loses his position and then…
Sid: Is that a prophetic sign of what?
Jonathan: Well, yeah and he was you know, I don’t know if you remember when Obama was starting he wanted Tom Daschle in his administration, but there was something uncovered some kind of scandalous thing and he had to withdraw and step out the same thing.
Sid: This gets deeper and deeper you know I have to tell you, I am so excited about what you’re going to be sharing next week from the second part of the prophetic series. Just give me a couple sentences of what you’re going to be talking about next week.
Jonathan: Yeah, it continues and I’ve never shared this you know in this kind of format at all. This is the progression of judgment continues, it is actually there also in Isaiah 9:10 with Israel and it’s going to move forward. And it’s going to be, we are going to see the ancient mystery behind everything from the war on terror and collapse of the housing market; the economic enclosion the crash of wall street; the great recession; the exact timing of the two greatest crashes of wall street history; ancient mysteries that go back 2 and 3,000 years that determined everything and the future of America as a super power and a nation itself.
Sid: And we’re even going to hear something about President Obama next week.