SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Craig Hill. What a title, Craig. “Two fleas and No Dog” transforms your marriage from fleadom to freedom. What are you talking about?

CRAIG: Well for years I threatened to write a book by the title, Sid. And the reason is I found so many people before they get married they’re like a flea. Now the flea is an animal that’s looking for a host animal like a dog it can life off of and just get all its needs met emotionally, physically and all kinds of ways. And I found that many, many people when they get married did not realize that when they married they actually were a flea. Because after they get married, they’re thinking, where’s the dog? Where’s that person that was so kind to me, so nice to me that I liked being with so much. And after they get married what happens is they find out the other person, the person they married actually they thought you were the dog. They thought you were the one that they were going to be drawing all the life from. And what’s actually happened is the people that have gotten married to, and this is true in many cases, we now have two fleas and no dog both trying to suck the life out of each other, and of course no fleas have any life.

SID: And for seven years that’s what happened in your marriage.

CRAIG: It really did happen in my marriage. I didn’t realize I was a flea, Sid, when I got married. You know what my experience of marriage was in the first seven years, I felt like Jan, my wife, was frequently unhappy with me. She was irritated with me. She was angry with me and I felt like I was just displeasing to her in so many ways. And I tried everything I knew to do to please her unsuccessfully. Couldn’t understand why.

SID: But then you understood supernatural communication and you found there are two levels of communication.

CRAIG: That was a breakthrough, huge breakthrough in our marriage when I discovered that there’s sort of a superficial level I’ve come to call the topical level of communication. And underneath all topical communication is what I call relational communication. Now topical are issues that we discuss in marriage, for example, where are we going to live? What cars are we going to drive? How are we going to discipline our children? Our sexual relationship. This is topical communication. But underneath all that is relational communication, which are messages we send to one another in the realm of identity regarding value, meaning without realizing it, we’re sending messages to other people all the time, you’re worthless or you’re valuable. And what I find happens in a marriage is without realizing it, husbands and wives are sending a message back and forth to each other, you’re valuable or you’re worthless, and they don’t realize it. They don’t know it.

SID: Well let’s take a look at this right now, a real life situation. Let’s go to that State Fair right now.

[background carnival music]
MALE: Guess the number, win a prize. Guess the number, win a prize.

TOM: You want to play a game?

GIRL: Yeah!

TOM: Okay.
[phone ring]

TOM: Hello

SUE: Hey honey, how are you doing? I was just checking in.

TOM: I’m doing great. Emily, keep an eye on your sister.

SUE: Where are you?

TOM: The girls talked me into coming to the State Fair.

SUE: What?

TOM: The State Fair.

SUE: I heard you. Why would you do that?

TOM: The girls were begging me. It was nice out, so we came.

SUE: I wish you would just stick to a plan.

TOM: What plan?

SUE: We’ve been going to the State Fair as a family for over four years and, you know, you just would have thought that maybe you could have included me in on it.

TOM: Well how could we? I mean, you’re not even here. I mean, you’re away at your retreat.

SUE: What’s that suppose to mean?

TOM: It means I’m here watching the kids and you’re off with your girlfriends.

SUE: My girlfriends? You volunteered to do this.

TOM: Yes, so you could go away on your whatever weekend.

SUE: Tom, why the State Fair? I mean, when I’m out of town for the weekend you would think for once you could think about somebody other than yourself.

TOM: Look, I didn’t even want to come.

SUE: Oh yeah right.

TOM: I wanted to stay home and watch the football game with the guys, but I’m here. I was just thinking of the girls.
SUE: Yeah right, but you weren’t thinking of me, were you?

TOM: I would have thought you’d be happy I wanted to spend more time with them. Instead you’re criticizing me just like you always do.

SUE: I do not always criticize you.

GIRL: Come on, Daddy, let’s go to the Ferris wheel.

SUE: Tom.

TOM: I gotta go.

SUE: Tom?

FEMALE: Hey Sue, are you coming?

SUE: Yeah, I’m coming.

TOM: Come on, girls.

SID: Now that is supernatural miscommunication. Let’s see what’s going to happen if it’s done right.

MALE: Guess the number, win a prize! Guess the number, win a prize!
[phone ring]

TOM: Hello.

SUE: Hey honey, how are you doing? I was just checking in.

TOM: Doing great. Emily, keep an eye on your sister.

SUE: Hey, where are you?

TOM: The girls talked me into coming to the State Fair.

SUE: What?

TOM: The State Fair.

SUE: I heard you. Why would you do that?

TOM: The girls were begging me. It was nice out, so we came.

SUE: I wish you would just stick to a plan.

TOM: Are you upset?

SUE: Yeah, I’m upset. I mean, we’ve been going to the State Fair as a family for over four years and you just could have thought of me.

TOM: Sorry honey. I didn’t realize how much it meant to you.

SUE: Well it’s just that you picked the weekend I was away.

TOM: You’re absolutely right, honey. I’m really sorry. It wasn’t that I wasn’t thinking about you. I love you. You know I enjoy doing things with you and the family, right?

SUE: Yeah, I know. I guess I just, you’re there with the girls and I just felt like you didn’t want
me there.

TOM: I’m sorry. I didn’t mean to hurt your feelings. We had so much fun last year I knew it would be a hit. Truth is, it’s just not as much fun without you here.

SUE: Yeah, we did have a lot of fun. I just wish I was there with you and the girls.

TOM: Me, too. Hey listen, I heard that this new ice skating, ice princess show was coming into town?

SUE: Really?

TOM: Yeah. Why don’t we all go as a family.

SUE: Tom.

TOM: Yeah?

SUE: You really are a great dad.

GIRL1: Come on, Daddy, let’s go to the Ferris wheel.
GIRL2: Yeah, come on!

TOM: Okay. Hey, I gotta go. I love you.

SUE: I love you, too, honey. Bye.

TOM: Okay girls, let’s go.

GIRL: Yeah!

FEMALE: Hey Sue, are you coming?

SUE: Oh yeah, I’ll be right there.

SID: Now I like that. I like happy endings. And that’s the way it’s supposed to be. But my guest, Craig Hill, says when you’re involved in these type of relationships, it was relation not topical. There was even a better way to handle.

CRAIG: Yeah, you know, what I found, Sid, is that everybody wants to be made to feel valuable. Husband wants to be valuable. Wife wants to be valuable. Here’s the problem. The problem is I don’t know and didn’t know for seven years what would make my wife feel valuable. She didn’t know what would make me feel valuable. So we did the wrong thing and stumbled into situations like that all the time. This poor man is just trying to take his girls to the State Fair and yet finds his wife accusing him. Why? He sent her a message, you have no value, and didn’t know he sent her that message. Now I believe there is something supernatural behind that that promotes that kind of thing where people don’t realize it. And then she sent him back a message, you’re worthless, you have no value, and she didn’t know she was doing that. And so what does make a woman feel valuable? Those are the supernatural keys that I found that I wrote in the book. What makes a woman feel valuable? What makes a man feel valuable and is it possible for us to convey those things on a relational level which changes everything.

SID: And the thing that I saw in that is that if that ending hadn’t changed that couple was headed towards divorce. Don’t go away. We’re about ready to see some keys to supernatural communication. Be right back.

CALEB: Did you make any dinner at all?

FEMALE1: I assumed you were eating with Michael.

CALEB: Does it not occur to you that there are two people living in this house and both of them need to eat?

FEMALE1: You know what, Caleb? If you would communicate with me, maybe I can have something for you. You care more about saving for your stupid gun and pleasing yourself than you ever did about me.

CALEB: Shut up! I’m sick of you! You disrespectful, ungrateful, selfish woman! How dare you say that to me! You constantly nag me and you blame the life out of me! I’m tired of it. If you can’t give me the respect I deserve, look at me, then what’s the point of this marriage!

FEMALE2: Make him respect you. If there’s one thing a man understands–

CALEB: It’s respect. That’s the issue. That’s the reason our marriage is failing. She shows me no respect at all. I don’t understand her. She’s emotional about everything. She’s easily offended and way too sensitive.

FEMALE1: [crying] He’s so insensitive. He doesn’t truly care how I feel. He doesn’t listen to me, even if I say it over and over, and over again.

CALEB: And then starts nagging me and saying I don’t listen to her or something like that. It drives me crazy. I feel like I’m going–

FEMALE1: Insane. You know, he doesn’t understand my needs. I feel like we are completely and totally–

CALEB: Incompatible. She’s probably whining to her friends making me sound like a criminal. I can see them all right now, crying and having some sort of group hug.

FEMALE2: It’s gonna be okay, sweetie. It’s gonna be all right.

FEMALE3: You’ll get through this.

FEMALE4: Whatever you need.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. That was an excerpt from the movie, “Fireproofed”. Did you recognize something there? I believe there is supernatural help to miscommunicate. And there is also supernatural help to communicate, not just in marriages, in all of life. There is someone egging you on to divide relationships. And my guest, Craig Hill, has uncovered what I believe to be biblical supernatural keys for supernatural relationships. Now Craig, I find it fascinating and almost outrageous that one out of two marriages end up in divorce, and that’s true among those that are Christians and non-Christians alike. It shouldn’t happen with Christians.

CRAIG: No, that’s absolutely right. You would think that we would understand something, or people that have a relationship with God would access the supernatural power of God and would learn the things that would cause their marriages not to break up. But as you said, Sid, that frequently is not true. And many times without that understanding and that knowledge people live just like people who have no relationship with God and their marriages are destroyed as well.

SID: And the thing that’s so overwhelming to me is your marriage, I mean, I know your background. I know your wife’s background. And you went through seven years of turmoil until these keys were revealed to you. But I want to take you back to 1975. You’re a nice young pilot.

CRAIG: Right.

SID: And you ran into what almost cost you your life. Tell me about it.

CRAIG: That was true. I was flying for a living out of Grand Rapids, Michigan, flying the mail at night. And one night on our way back from Chicago across Lake Michigan back to Grand Rapids, the air traffic control called us and said. “It’s getting really foggy in Michigan. We suggest you turn back to Chicago.” Well being young and sort of arrogant, you know, the other pilot and I decided not to, and we decided, no, we can be beat the fog in. And to make a long story short, we made two instrument approaches at Grand Rapids and it was too foggy for us to land, and we saw runway, no lights, nothing. So we went to Lansing, shot two approaches there and missed them both again, no visibility there. And, you know, the thing that happened is the low fuel red lights came on in Grand Rapids and I knew we were in trouble.

SID: Now when you’re driving a car and that happens that’s bad. When you’re up in the air, oy vey.

CRAIG: That’s exactly right. So after Lansing, you know, we had used up a huge amount of fuel trying to make these instrument approaches. We were really low. We said, “What else is opened?” They said Detroit. So we blasted over to Detroit and we were the second to the last airplane to land with just minutes of fuel left. And so that was sort of a harrowing experience. I was praying all the way, you now, “Oh God save my life.”

SID: But with just minutes of fuel it could have gone the other way.
CRAIG: Well that’s exactly right, yeah. We could have ended up not making it and ended up running out of fuel.

SID: But briefly, explain what was going on in the invisible world.

CRAIG: In the invisible world what I found out about six or seven months later, Sid, was really an amazing thing. I met a young woman in Europe who had been at a mission school in Germany at the same that this event was taking place. Every morning their habit was to get up and in a small group pray, not just their shopping list of things they wanted to pray, but they would ask God, “What is on your heart today, Father?” And then they would pray those various things. One day the group, they had a list everyday of things that they felt like the Spirit of God was giving them, and one day one thing on the list was “airplane”. They didn’t know what to pray for exactly, so they began asking. And the group of them together got pieces like a puzzle. And one person said, “Well the airplane we’re to pray for is fast like you United, but it’s small.” Someone else said, “I see two people on board and that’s all, just the crew, and one is older, one is young. They’re wearing light blue jumpsuits, they’re flight suits, and they’re carrying the U.S. mail.” Somebody else said, “I see a map like the Great Lakes area of the United States.” And these people were in Germany when they were praying. And they said. “The problem is this airplane is having difficulty finding a place to land. We need to pray for the safety of the crew and a place to land.” So they had all these details. Well about in July of that year, I met this young woman on this team and I began to recognize that God was doing something between us and that she might end up being my wife. So as time progressed I was telling her all the harrowing stories and experiences of my life. I began to tell her this one. And as I shared these details she said, “We prayed for you.” I said, “What do you mean you prayed for me?” And she said, “Were you both wearing light blue one-piece flight suits?” I said, “Yeah.” She said, “Was the other pilot quite a bit older than you?” I said, “Yeah.” She said, “We prayed for you.” And she told me what was happening is that at the very time that we were having the problem at about four in the morning in Michigan, they were, at nine in the morning over in Germany, praying these prayers and releasing something in the supernatural. I believe, Sid, had my wife not prayed with that small group we well could have died.

SID: And of course, at that time she wasn’t his wife. But she had a prophetic word at that time. What did someone tell her?

CRAIG: There was another young woman in the group that came up to her after this prayer time and said to her, “Jan, you know that airplane we prayed for this morning? I believe that has something to do with you, maybe a relative or somebody you know. And Jan was thinking, “I don’t know anybody who flies. I don’t know who, well I have a cousin, you know, who’s on an aircraft carrier.”

SID: Of course it had something to do with her because they ended up getting married. She described exactly at the exact time she was praying for the man that would be her husband. You would think they would have a marriage made in heaven, but they had seven years of the type of turmoil that many of you have had. And it’s about time that you have supernatural help to have a marriage made in Heaven and relationships that are pleasing to God. You see, the Messiah said, “This is my commandment that you love one another.” And there’s someone trying to disrupt that so you can’t accomplish your destiny. Don’t go away. You’re going to find out some tremendous supernatural keys to supernatural relationships. Be right back.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Craig Hill. Most people are being set up for disaster in their relationships. There is supernatural help to destroy, whether it’s a husband and wife, whether it’s a mother and their daughter, or a father and a son, or just at work, there’s supernatural help to destroy relationships. Now Craig, you saw a movie on the American Revolution, which literally gave you insight into what’s going on in these relationships.

CRAIG: Right. What I began to see, Sid, like we were saying earlier, after seven years of marriage where I was struggling, didn’t know what to do, and I saw a movie, and I began to get an insight. Now what it was, it depicted the British, you know, marching up the road to Concord and Lexington, and here came the American militia out to meet them. And I saw two rows of soldiers, you know, standing, facing each other with their weapons loaded and the two generals talking in between. Unbeknownst to anybody, hiding over here in the bushes behind a little wall was an arms dealer. And this man didn’t care about the British. He didn’t care about the Americans. He just wanted to start a war so he could sell arms to both sides. So while no one was looking, he shot and killed the second in command British officer who fell over dead, and immediately the British general, of course, assumed the American colonists had done that, terminated negotiations and issued the command that his men, “Fire!”, which they did. The American general then, of course, issued a command to his me, “Return fire!” which they did and the war was on. We call that “the shot heard around the world” because it was the shot that started the Revolution. Now I don’t know if the movie was historically accurate. But the part I got out of it is when I saw that, God spoke to me and said, “That is exactly what’s happening in your marriage all the time. A war is being started and neither of you are starting it.” And I discovered as I’ve talked to many couples through the years if I ask a husband, for example, in the clip we saw in the very beginning, “Was it your intention to start this war?” He would say, “Absolutely not. I don’t like it. It’s very unpleasant.” You say to the wife, “Was it your intention to start this war?” “Absolutely not. I didn’t plan it.” And what people are not realizing is there really are demonic forces in the unseen realm that are working to destroy relationships through miscommunication. And the strategy is simply this. What if there is an arms dealer, so to speak, in the supernatural realm that I can’t see who uses me to speak to my wife a relational message that says, “You’re worthless, I don’t love you. You mean nothing to me,” and I’m blind to it. I don’t see it. I don’t know it. How can I repent? Repent of what? I’ve done nothing wrong from my perspective.

SID: So you’re saying this arms dealer in this movie is a type of the devil.

CRAIG: Exactly. There’s a type of the devil in demonic forces in the unseen realm whose purpose is to destroy relationships. You know an interesting thing, Sid, no man, no woman individually looked like God, but the Bible says a relationship between a man and woman in marriage looks like God, and the devil hates anything that looks like God, and I think works overtime to destroy marriage through this strategy of miscommunication.

SID: Okay. What are husbands looking for in a marital relationship?

CRAIG: Well this was the key I discovered. Husbands want respect. The problem is a wife doesn’t know what respect means. So I discovered respect to most husbands means three things: I want to be accepted, I want to be admired, and I want to be appreciated. What I found is so many husbands are working hard, especially in our present times in this environment, to try to make ends meet, and they’re looking for one word from a wife: Thank you. That’s what we saw in the “Fireproofed” clip. And what happens, a wife doesn’t know that. She doesn’t realize that because what she’s looking for is sort of an opposite thing. What makes a wife feel valuable is love, the Bible tells us. And the problem we have as husbands, we don’t know what love means in our wife’s mind, in her idea. So I found love to a woman means these three things: She wants to feel high priority, she wants me to care about her feelings, and when I hurt her, she wants me to acknowledge it, take responsibility for it and repent, and ask forgiveness.

SID: Tell me about that couple from Wisconsin, very briefly, that studied these principles and what happened to them.

CRAIG: There was a couple I ran into that had actually been divorced for some years, living in separate cities, who came to a conference we were doing, a covenant marriage retreat, actually. And I don’t know how they got there. Somebody convinced them to come. They came in separate cars from separate locations, sat literally in separate places in the meeting, not even with each other. And over the course of about three days as they discovered these principles and as God began to work supernaturally in their hearts, they were restored in such a way that they learned how to convey love and respect, or value to each so much so that they fell in love with each other again and said, “We don’t want to be divorced or separated. We want to be remarried.” And they were remarried to each other.

SID: Is there any problem between a husband and wife that know the Lord that cannot be solved by these supernatural principles?

CRAIG: There really is not. What we found–

SID: Hey, did you hear that? There really is not.

CRAIG: It’s true.

SID: So don’t give up. And young people, if they can get a hold of these principles it’s time to have supernatural relationships with a supernatural God, Jesus.

SID: Welcome to my world, where it’s naturally supernatural. Now you see a lot of infomercials these days on losing weight, and don’t get rid of this channel because I’m going to be talking about it. I’m not talking about the natural ability to lose weight, I’m talking about a supernatural ability. Could you imagine, a young Jewish man speaks, and people in the audience supernaturally lose weight, several dress sizes – the dresses are hanging on them – during the meeting? You’ve never seen weight loss like this before. Let’s take a look at a clip.

DAVID: What is happening to you?

WOMAN: I’m shrinking! (laughs)

DAVID: You’re losing weight instantly?

WOMAN: I’m disappearing!

DAVID: Right here in Jerusalem? What is happening?

WOMAN: I’m getting smaller. (laughs) I think these are going to fall down.

DAVID: So if you don’t hold your pants up, do you think they’re going to fall?

WOMAN: (laughs) Definitely.

DAVID: How much do you think you’ve lost, as far as dress sizes?

WOMAN: I don’t know, but (laughs) easy… Oh, thank You, Lord. (laughs)

DAVID: Now that’s awesome. Weight loss.

WOMAN: There’s weight loss.

DAVID: How many, this is the first time you’ve seen instant weight loss in your life? So what it means is there’s a newer glory than you’ve known before, so there’s newer miracles. New glory, new miracles. Old glory, same. Now others of you, I would check your waist, because others of you might get it as she’s testifying.

DAVID: Look at that, she’s just…

WOMAN: Look at this! This is wild! Look at this!

DAVID: I think you’re losing more right now! You’re shrinking right now. You’re shrinking.

WOMAN: I can’t believe it! This is wild! This is wild! Look at this!

DAVID: Have you ever seen that before? Have you ever seen weight loss like that? Have you ever seen that before?

WOMAN: Look at this! These were tight, I hardly could get in them, and I thought “Well, I’ll suck it in, you know, to get here.” Look at this, this is…

SID: Listen, you would’ve been as excited as her if that’d happened to you. David, you told me that you always pondered a question, and you knew if you could answer this question, you would see miracles such as the one we just saw. But by the way, is it true that even gemstones, diamonds, precious stones, materialize at your meetings?

DAVID: We’ve seen some, yes. Everything in heaven can come on the earth at any time the glory is present.

SID: Show me one. You brought one for us.

DAVID: Yeah, I’ve got one here. My daughter actually prayed and found this one. She was asking God one night for a gift from heaven, and this appeared. It’s a purple gemstone, and her favorite color is purple. My daughter…

SID: It’s like a… It’s not just a gemstone, it’s cut. It looks perfect to me.

DAVID: Yeah, it is.

SID: It came that way?

DAVID: It came just like this.

SID: How did it happen? Where was it?

DAVID: Well, we were in Phoenix in a meeting, and my daughter that night was asking God for a miracle, because she had seen some signs and wonders. She’s only 7, and she said “God, I know You can give me a miracle or something from heaven.” And she kept asking and looking, and asked people to pray. And she was very sad at the end of the meeting, even began crying. She said “I know that God told me He was going to give me something special tonight.” And at the end of the meeting, right as we were about to walk out, she looked down, and there was this purple gemstone right on the floor. And her favorite color is purple, and only we and she know that.

SID: What about diamonds?

DAVID: Yeah, we’ve seen diamonds too.

SID: And has any professional looked at these diamonds?

DAVID: Yeah, people have looked at them, and a lot of the times with the diamonds, they say, or the gemstones, they say they’re perfect. Almost too perfect to be a diamond or a gemstone, but too heavy to be fake.

SID: Alright, as a young man you had a question. You felt if you could get the answer to this question, then you could move into this invisible realm, and that is, the question was, how did God create this whole world – everything we see – from nothing?

DAVID: Exactly. I was taught everything was created from nothing, but actually it says in Hebrews God created things visible out of things invisible, real things. I thought it was nothing, it was things He used to create things. And I found out there’s two invisible ingredients that He used that are real things. It’s the glory, or the presence, or the Spirit of God; Genesis 1, was hovering, and number two, it’s sound or sound waves. God spoke, everything was created. And now scientists are confirming that everything created on the earth has not a proton or a neutron as the smallest particle known to man, but inside a proton and neutron is a sound wave. Everything has sound embedded into it, and that sound wave has the ability to hear and respond to sound and to the glory.

SID: So if I’m getting this straight, God didn’t create everything we see from nothing, He created it from something, and the something was the presence of God by God’s Holy Spirit, we call Him the Ruach Ha Kodesh, and sound?

DAVID: Sound. They’re both real ingredients that science knows today are real. You can sing at a high pitch and break a glass.

SID: Sure, an opera singer.

DAVID: So it’s a real object, it’s just invisible to the naked eye. And even the presence of God is real. Just like there’s germs or microbes in this room maybe, we can’t see, but they’re real. So when the two come together on an object, it can even recreate the object. Jesus turned the water to wine, commanded the wind and waves, it obeyed Him. So the whole creation is alive with the presence and sound, and can respond to the glory and sound.

SID: Ok. You have a whole book on this subject, and you talk about a man by the name of John G. Lake. Tell me that story.

DAVID: John G. Lake was awesome. He was a missionary in South Africa, and he was
very much into science before he was a minister, and he did an experiment. People were dying of a plague in South Africa. Everyone was dying, and they had gloves and equipment to protect themselves, and shots. And he was out bare-handed praying for the sick, and he could’ve died of the virus. And they said to him “How come you’re not dying?”

SID: I think it was bubonic plague.

DAVID: Yeah, bubonic plague. And they said “Why aren’t you dying?” He said “Because I’ve got the power of God in me. Show me the virus under the microscope, and look and see what happens when I lay hands on it.” So under the microscope they could see the virus, and they see his hand touching it and destroying the virus by the power of God. So under a microscope, invisible things, actually you can see what’s happening behind the scenes.

SID: How would you like to walk in that type of trust of God? It’s not religion, it’s trust in God. Don’t go away, you’re going to find out how. It’s cool.