Our Guests Chester & Betsy Kylstra
Sid: We want everyone everywhere to be red hot for the Messiah but have you noticed you may want to be red hot for the Messiah but there seems to be blockages in your life. You may want to walk in supernatural love but there appears to be blockages in your life, you may want people to love you but there’s been blockages in your life. You may be dealing with certain sin areas and you repent and you run to the alter and you weep and you cry and every week you do this and every week you fall back into those same sins; there’s got to a better way. And I have on the telephone from Santa Rosa Beach, Florida Chester and Betsy Kylstra of “Proclaiming His Word Ministries.” And the Holy Spirit has shown them that there are 4 foundational problem areas and unless they’re dealt with they can undermine your total healing whether its spiritual, emotional or physical. And most people miss one of more of these areas. So Betsy I wonder if you would tell me about how you even found out about these 4 areas and what they are and perhaps give us an example of each one.
Betsy: Sid I would love to do that and I’d love to share that with our family whose listening. The Lord began to show us these areas as He began to heal our own life and the thing that He showed us was so intriguing to us and I think so powerful is that each one of them needs ministry because every single area impacts the other 3 areas. When we finally got that revelation we thought “Well duh!” this is obvious but we realized that so much of the body of Christ that has not recognized that yet. The areas are:
- The sins of the fathers and curses
These are the sins that are passed right down the family line and we see this a lot alcoholism, violence, sexual abuse, rage, even prejudices. There are lots of different things you see passed down the family line. And then what happens is out of the sins of the fathers curses. The way that those are enacted in the family they cause the children in the family as well as the adults to have hurts…
Sid: So it keeps passing on to each of the generations.
Betsy: Absolutely it passes on from generation to generation where the same sins causes the same kind of hurts, the same violence in the parents cause the same feelings of rejection and that kind of hurt in the children. And so we have Sins of the fathers and Hurts very closely connected and then out of the hurt we form our belief system. And in this case it becomes an ungodly belief system, or a group of lies which are based on what our experience is but not based on the truth of God’s word. For example, I might believe that I’m just a rejected person based on how I am treated in that home but not based at all on who God says that I am. And then the Lord began to show us and this was really exciting that the Sins of the fathers and curses the hurts that were resulted from those and the ungodly beliefs that were even formed out of those painful experiences all were open doors for demonic oppression. The all let the enemy into our lives so if you would like I could give just give a simple example of how all 4 of these work together and how we need to close all 4 doors to really keep the enemy out.
Sid: I’d like you to that but you make the distinction that I find fascinating. One of the 4 points is Soul Spirit Hurts and what you say is the soul and the spirit actually have attributes of memory, will and emotion. And you have to deal with the soul and the spirit explain that just a little bit.
Betsy: Well we do and we have quite a bit about that in our book explaining that we need to heal both and the spirit and that the Lord can do both. Now sometimes when we’re wounded we cannot identify am I wounded in my soul, am I wounded in my spirit. But the good news is that the Lord Jesus knows exactly where the healing is needed and He can come in and minister and bring the wholeness.
Sid: Well give me an example now of all of these 4 areas.
Chester: Before we go to that how about if I just give a scriptural backup for what Betsy was just explaining.
Sid: Sure.
Chester: 2 Corinthians 7:1 Paul is writing… just finished reading or quoting about a bunch of promises of God, and he says “Having these promises dearly beloved let us cleanse ourselves from all defilement of flesh and spirit.” Flesh and spirit, flesh and heart and we have we could bring up many scriptures that indicate that we have hurts or defilement effects of sin in our spirit and of course that’s just the 2 dimensional man there the flesh and the spirit where’s the soul in there? Well the souls somewhere in the middle and we’ve looked through all of the attributes of the spirit and soul we find that both portions of ourselves have many of the same attributes. So Betsy you were about to give an example of the 4 ministry areas.
Betsy: Yes and I know myself like many others who are listening once they’ve been hurt they just want to know how to bring Jesus into that healing Jesus our Messiah and to connect with Him and that’s a big part of this ministry. Let me use an example of an alcoholic; actually the child growing up in an alcoholic home because so many others besides myself have been grieved by the destructiveness of an alcoholic family member or friend or a relative. We see alcoholism as a Sin of the Father that’s going down the generation. Secular research tells us that 4 out of 5 children to an alcoholic will also become alcoholic themselves which is heart breaking. And so we have that sin coming down and causing many hurt in the children. Hurts of rejection and disappointment and betrayal and broken promises there are so many different hurts, many kinds of losses occur because this Sin of the Father is coming down and being inflicted on the next generation of the children. Out of the children’s wounding they begin to believe what we call Ungodly Beliefs or Lies about themselves, the way the world is and even about God themselves. They may even believe that my father and mother are even god himself will not be there for me when I really need somebody. They may begin to believe I am unlovable or else my parent wouldn’t do this. They may begin to believe life is totally unpredictable and I can’t trust anybody. So out of the generational sins that cause those hurts lies begin to form in the children which shape their whole belief system and they begin to live out of those lies. And then another key that the Lord showed us was that each one of those interrelated areas also provides an open door for demonic oppression for demons to enter and oppress and continue to cause us to be harassed, discouraged, depressed and cause the sins to be repeated in that child’s life. And so it just goes on from generation to generation. One day I was getting ready to go on vacation and we have 4 doors to our house and the Holy Spirit said to me “How many of those doors are you going to lock?” And I said “All 4 of them.” And He said “Why?” And I said “Because there’s some contents inside of this house that are precious to me.” And He spoke to my heart and said “Betsy it’s the same way with these 4 ministry areas; we have to close all 4 doors to protect the life inside that’s so precious to Me.” And so I began to see how they were all interconnected and each one needs ministry.
Sid: And when each one of the doors are closed then those demonic strongholds that are constantly harassing people have no leg to stand on.
Betsy: Then they lose their place and get booted out!
Sid: Yes.
Betsy: And then at that point it’s very important for the person to have some guidelines about how to walk out their healing which is something that we really put some emphasis on.
Sid: Well you know as you explain of the 4 problem areas I couldn’t help but to think of a friend of mine that I led to the Lord and of all of the people that I’ve ever led to the Lord I had the greatest God encounter that I’ve ever had in my life the presence of God was so awesome. He let us know that he was an alcoholic and unfortunately he went back to drinking and went to AA and he was going to a church and he got so offended and that’s the word of Christians that were critical over him that he decided that he just wanted to go to AA where they’re not critical over me like the Christians in the church. And then I lost touch with him and then he called and he said “Well you know Sid I may be backslidden,” and he knew he was, “but I go to bars and God uses me and I lead people to the Lord when I’m sitting their drinking.” And I thought to myself “What a witness you are.” And then I lost track of him again and then he called me and he said “Sid I found the answer.” I found and he found an occult new age cult a course of miracles that doesn’t believe in judgment, doesn’t believe in hell, doesn’t believe in the devil and he says “I’m so fulfilled.” And then he went in that cycle of a little bit of sin and then ended up into an occult group.
Chester: Hm hm that’s really heartbreaking. It just shows that these 4 foundational problem areas can even drag us down even after receiving the Lord without taking care of them. And of course you don’t have to come to our ministry to get this taken care of God’s very able to heal people in lots of different ways.
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