Sid: You know what, I have to interrupt this right now, I have Greg Gault in the studio right now and Greg and his wife Sharlee work for the Messianic Vision. I asked them to come out to dinner one night because I was interviewing a man by the name of Steve Zarit who happens to be my guest this week. And we wanted to talk about various things going on in the ministry and right at the end I said, “I would like you, if it’s okay with you Greg, Steve I would like you to pray for Greg.” And Greg said, “Of course,” now let’s kind of rehearse Greg what was wrong with your heart?
Greg: Well, at that time I had been diagnosed actually four years ago with a bicuspid aortic valve which I only have two leaflets leading into my aortic value instead of three which is what most people have, it’s just considered normal it’s just a genetic disorder when you only have two. And so that causes some blood in my heart to leak a little bit more than usual and it can end up disintegrating quicker than usual. And I also had a pulmonary valve that was also leaking.
Sid: So that doesn’t sound too good. Steve laid hands on you and prayed for you and I laid hands on you and prayed for you, and normally I don’t feel the degree of heat that I felt and I don’t know if you remember this of not but I commented; but I remember exactly what I said to you, “I know your healed.” And I can’t wait for you to find out from the doctor because I never felt so much heat coming out of my hand on you, I mean I was absolutely excited for you. And I don’t I’ve ever said to anyone with that degree of conviction. So you went to the doctor, tell me what happened.
Greg: Well, I just went to the doctor and they scheduled me for my third echocardiogram which they did and about twenty minutes into it the nurse just kept having her look on her face and she said, “Well, as a matter of fact I need to go to another machine, I need to get to get a better look at something.” So we went to the other room and they put me on another machine and she brought another nurse in and they started looking at something I couldn’t tell what it was because I couldn’t interpret the machine and what they were reading exactly. And finally they brought a third nurse in and I finally got a nerve to ask him, I said, “What exactly are you all looking at, why do you need so many opinions?”
Sid: [Laughing] I guess you might have been a little worried.
Greg: I was worried they found something else.
Sid: I know.
Greg: They said, “You actually have three leaflets now.”
Sid: But wait, you had two before the prayer.
Greg: Yes, two before the prayer.
Sid: Now, do these ever grow back by themselves.
Greg: No, they do not grow back by themselves, no.
Sid: Tell me how their faces looked.
Greg: They were just, they were stunned, they were just stunned, they just kept looking at it over and over and over and finally they just admitted. They said, “Well, we have to tell you you have three.
Sid: Have you ever had a miracle to that degree before?
Greg: Once when I was born.
Sid: What was that?
Greg: I was actually had a dichromatic hernia and I had a ruptured diaphragm and all of my intestines came up through the whole in the diaphragm and collapsed my lungs. The doctors told my parents that I only had a 2% chance of living. And if I lived through the surgery they only had one other child that lived through the surgery and they died within two weeks. And I made it through the surgery and a couple of days later I died and the doctors tried everything in their power to resuscitate me, my family got on their knees in the hospital room waiting, praying and before you knew I was brought back to life.
Sid: Sounds to me like the devil wanted to knock you out, but God keeps giving you miracles, I’m so glad that you and your wife work for us. And what I’d like to do now is I believe that we are going, that the faith level has increased to such a dimension for those that are listening that when I start talking with Steve there will be a discernible outpouring of God’s Spirit for healing. You get ready because whether you feel anything or not I know that literally hundreds of people are going to have instant healings. Steven what did God just tell you was going on to people that are listening?
Steven: He told me that there are listeners listening in that have migraine headaches and they’ve tried everything, they’ve tried Imitrex, they’ve tried all kinds of drugs to get rid of the migraines. I personally never had a migraine but I know that they can be devastating and you can’t move, you can’t get in bright light, you have to stay in the dark and the Lord wants me to pray for migraines because He’s going to heal them.
Sid: Pray right now.
Steven: Father in the name of Yeshua HaMashiach the King of kings and the Lord of lords in the name of Jesus I speak to the spirit called migraine and I command it in Jesus name to be gone; I take authority over the power and principalities of darkness. I bring the kingdom of God to the neck and to the brain cells and I bring the blood of Jesus, the blood of Jesus to comingle with blood in the brain and Lord I ask in Jesus Name, in Jesus Name that you would deal with all the migraine, all of the people that are listening that have migraine. And Lord your telling me right now that there are people listening that have friends that have migraines and that if they pray, if they lay hands on their friends with migraines their migraines will disappear and never come back again. So I speak to it right now in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and I thank you Lord, I thank you for your gifts of healing, I thank you Lord, I thank you in Yeshua’s Name, Amen.
Sid: And as Steve was praying God showed me there was people with pain throughout their entire back and neck, some just neck, some just back and some both. If you will move you’ll see that the healing balm of Gilead the love of God in Yeshua’s Name in Jesus Name you are healed. Spines are just being straightened; backs are healed in Jesus Name. Steven I want you; I’m going to give you an assignment, a Holy Ghost assignment right now. I pray that you would bypass your intellect right now and speak healing by the Spirit; my hands are getting so hot and that means there is a healing anointing that is about ready to explode. Would you just pray as the Holy Spirit leads you Steven?
Steven: Yes, Father I come before you in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ and Lord I ask in Jesus Name that anybody that is in the sound of my voice right now that if they have any physical condition, emotional conditions, spiritual conditions. Oh Lord your telling me that there are so many people with depression, Lord I just rebuke that depression in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. I take authority over the depression and Lord I ask that the people do not stop taking their pills but that they will feel the depression lifting off of them. Lord I speak to it right now in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and Lord the deafness, I speak to the deafness in the right ear and I command the deafness in the right ear to be healed in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. And Lord I ask for the low back, the so many people have spinal problems Lord, spinal conditions. Lord I ask in Jesus name that you would heal them of their spinal conditions, have them put their right hand on their spinal cord where all their pain is in around the gluteus maximus and around the lower part of the back. I speak to it right now; I command it to be gone in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. Lord cataracts I speak to cataracts and I command the cataracts to fall right off their eyes in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. I take authority over the cataracts right now and Lord I speak to the cancer and I command the cancer to leave the bodies right now; all kinds of cancer; Lord I lift up my hand right now and I ask that you would send healing angels from heaven to all of the people that are in the sound of my voice that would be healed of cancer and they would let Sid know that they had been healed of cancer. That they have been healed of diseases while listening to this program; Lord I thank You and I bless You and I praise You because You are the great physician, You are the healer; You are the Son of God. You are the one that loves to give good gifts to His children and healing is the children’s bread! Lord let the people know lift up their faith, lift up their faith Lord and touch them. This is a strange one but the Lord’s said that there is a woman who has corns on her feet, and I speak to the corns and I command them to fall off right now in the name of Jesus. Lord I speak to the heart muscle and Lord people that have micro valve prolapsed and I speak to that right now in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ and I command it to go, now!
Sid: And let me tell you as you talked about the heart God was telling me people are being given knew hearts, people are being given arteries are being opened; clogged arteries are being opened right now in Jesus name.
Steven: There are also hundreds and hundreds of people that have plaque around their heart, atherosclerosis and God is healing that right now, He’s like sticking a pipe cleaner, or a hose into the arteries and cleaning them out right now, just taking away all the plaque right now in the name of Jesus hearts are being healed.
Sid: And anything you need in the head people with mental imbalance are being healed right now, anything you need in your head and spine it’s yours.
Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah, he’s a Jewish man that had an encounter with Jesus and he can’t keep quiet, he’s got to tell everyone everywhere the good news. Isn’t it time that you and your congregation of believers get infected with a bunch of baby Jewish believers that are on fire for God? Well Steven Zarit literally his foot when this baby Christian prayed for him his foot got on fire, but he found out that he was anointed to lay hands on the sick; especially people with cancer. And you told me about, just before we went on the air Steven you were praying for someone with paratenonitus. What is paratenonitus?
Steven: Paratenonitus is when your spleen doesn’t work and his spleen exploded and he was in the hospital and we drove to San Bernardino to see him; he was curled up in little ball and his stomach was distended and he was bright, bright yellow. And they had the whole family there, the doctors brought in the whole family. The family was there waiting for him to pass away and he was a young man, he must have been thirty-one years old. And I looked at him and I prayed for him and then my wife who was with me said, “God’s going to heal him.” And I hit her on the side of her head to knock some sense into her and I said, “Honey, the doctors said “The man’s got one or two days to live. And she said, “But God, the creator of the Universe told me that he was going to be healed, so let’s pray for him that he’s going to be healed.” So we prayed for him and I’ll be dog-gone if he didn’t get healed and nine days later he walked out of that hospital totally healed. And then I ended up looking for a car, and I need a car desperately and I looked at a Mercedes Benz of France, the Peugeot, and I looked into the paper and I saw somebody was selling a Peugeot. So I drove over to their house and I never know what God is going to do because my whole life is supernatural, everyday were supposed to live a life everyday not natural but supernatural and so I never know what God is going to do. So I knocked on the door, I saw the car in the driveway and this gentleman’s wife, his name was Jerry she answered the door and she said, “My husband’s upstairs in bed would you mind going up and talking to him while he’s laying in his bed?” “And I said “Sure I don’t mind, so I’m walking up the staircase and I’m going uh oh Lord what are you getting me into this time?” So I go up to the bedroom and there’s Jerry laying on the top of his bed with his robe on and he’s got all the attaché case and all this paperwork thrown all over the place. And he says to me “You want to talk to me about the Peugeot and I said, “What’s wrong with you?” He said, “Well, I’ve got bulging disk in my low back and the doctors can’t do anything for me, I’ve been in bed for two weeks.” So here’s this great mighty miracle worker of God who opens his mouth instead of saying I’ll pray for you, I said, to him ‘Have you ever tried a chiropractor?” And he says to me, “No I haven’t tried a chiropractor.” and he said “Well, don’t tell your doctor because doctors don’t like chiropractors, and he says “I am a doctor I’m an OBGYN of Kaiser Permanente Hospital. And I said, “Oh this amazing “so I set down next to him to talk about the car and I look up on the wall and I see one of these pictures of Jesus, one of these pictures that the Catholic people have. So I looked at him and the Lord, and he’s talking to me and I’m not hearing a word he’s saying and the Lord’s speaking to me and He said, “If you lay hands on him, I’m going to heal him.” And I said, “Excuse me Jerry for interrupting, but I’m a Jewish believer in Yeshua Messiah Jesus and He just told me that if I lay my hands on your back your going to get healed; do you mind if I lay my hand on your back.” And he goes “No, I’ve tried everything go ahead.” So I put my hand, he rolled over on his side and in a lot a pain, I put my hand on his low back and he’s “Oh, my goodness the heat, the heat, it’s so hot!” And I said, “That’s a good sign.” So I waited for about a minute and then I stopped and I said, “Get out of bed your healed, the Lord just healed you.” And he said, “Are you sure?” I said, “I’m positive get out of bed.” He got out of bed and it was the funniest thing seeing a man in his pajamas and his robe trying to find his pain, he was bending over in three different directions and unbeknownst to me the Lord had set his wife up to receive the Baptism in the Holy Spirit because she had gone to her Catholic church there was Catholic Charismatic priest there. He laid hands on her a week before and she had passed out in the Holy Spirit and here her husband is dancing around going honey, honey, honey this just healed me, this man just healed me. I said, “Hold it, hold Jerry, I didn’t heal you, Jesus healed you! And he walked up to me with tears in his eyes and he said, (this is a doctor) he said with tears in his eyes he said, “I haven’t had much time for Jesus in my life. And I said, “That’s alright Jesus has got a lot of time for you.” And then I started hearing about John Wimber, John Wimber this, John Wimber that.
Sid: Now for those that aren’t familiar with John Wimber he’s the man that God used mightily to restore signs and wonders back to the church and he’s in heaven now. But tell me you heard about him, you went to hear him speak and he had a guest speaker, what happened when that guest started speaking?
Steven: Well, what happened was I went, I had heard there was in Calvary Chapel Church in Yorba Linda where the pastor who looked like Santa Claus, or Kenny Rogers and he played the keyboard and he sang and they had a worship leader with a guitar. They would worship for an hour before they would do the message. And I had come from a church where we did two seventeenth century songs, eighteenth century songs and that’s all we did. And I thought this sounds pretty cool; so I thought I’d go so I went out there and here was John just singing these incredible worship songs, not God singing to us but us worshipping God, singing to God of all the wondrous things that He done on the face of the earth. And so John gets up to the microphone and he says “The Lord just told me that Lonnie Frisbee’s is supposed to speak today. So I didn’t know who Lonnie was, and Lonnie get’s up there and he’s got long hair and a beard and he said, “Well, he said the church has turned away from the power of the Holy Spirit but that’s alright the Holy Spirit isn’t angry he wants to start bringing the power back to the church to heal, the sick, to cast out devils and to bring those in need the power of the Holy Ghost. So he said, “Come Holy Spirit.” And when he said, “Come Holy Spirit, we were in a gymnasium must have been 102 degrees, there must have been 3,000 people in there and the average age was twenty-three years old, twenty-two years old and when he said, “Come Holy Spirit, half of the kids fell down on the floor, just passed right out. And he walked around the room and everywhere he pointed all the kids were passing out on the floor. The girls in front of me just passed out on the floor giggling and laughing and I’m going “This can’t be Jesus, this can’t be Jesus.” And then Lonnie got up on the microphone and he said, “You’ve all seen simple Jesus, meek and mild, but now you’re seeing the Lion of Judah. And I said, “Hey I said that a long time ago,” and so I was just amazed and I wanted to go to that church because I thought, “There is more, there is something more than just the word. I mean the word of God is true and sharper than any two edged sword, but there’s so much more to Christianity; it’s walking in the supernatural the whole Christianity is supernatural.
Sid: Steven you then became friends with John Wimber, went on staff, became his closes confident; I believe received an impartation that was on him. But you had an impartation before you even met him for the supernatural and for healing. And then one day he invites you and your wife to go to England, what happened there.
Steven: Yeah, we went to England and I started praying for people like Ernest Ansley did sticking my fingers in their ears people that were deaf and saying “Oh foul spirits of deafness come out.” And I prayed for 7 people and all of them got their hearing back, and then I was just flying in my faith and I was moving and I knew that I was moving in the gift of faith. And then I walked up to a girl in a wheelchair who had a spinal condition due to diving off into a lake and hitting her head on the bottom of the lake. And I walked up to her and there was about 8 or 9 woman praying in tongues over her and I stopped them and I got on my hands and knees and this is the faith that I had. I got on my hands and knees and I said, “Do you believe that Jesus can heal you?” And she said, “Yes, I do.” I said, look into the eyes of a man of God and rise and walk.” And I held her hands and she got out of the wheelchair and walked and was totally healed.
Sid: Steven, what I believe on tomorrows broadcast I’m going to have you pray for the sick and I believe that we are going to have more reports of miracles than we’ve ever had in the history of this ministry. If you know someone with cancer, you get them to listen, someone that has hearing problems you get them to listen. I’ don’t know how they could listen, but you put them by the radio anyway. Mishpochah Steven has just been released to go into a full time healing ministry and his schedule is totally open so if you have a congregation that you want to see a demonstration of the real power of God, then look up information about him on our web page and it’ll have full information.
Sid: Now my guest is a prototype of what is happening to Jewish people all around you; his name if Steven Zarit. He was a Reformed Jew that was interested in the supernatural and I’m amazed that what a high percentage of Jewish people are interested in the supernatural; are leaders in the New Age movement. Why leaders in the New Age? Because Christians have their mouth zipped and they’re more interested in their relationship with their Jewish friend. They have a fear of rejection and that some of them are so meshugah, that’s a Hebrew word for crazy, that they think that there must be another way. Maybe when a Jew dies they’ll come to know Jesus if they were Godly; the only problem is “There is none righteous no not one.” So forget that excuse, but my friend Steven Zarit was; he even watched people that were healing evangelists on television and he said, “I’d like to do that.” And so he’s minding his own business, a brand new believer comes in lays hands on him; he feels the fire of God, he gets radically saved; he leads most of the people in his office to the Lord. Then you started praying to God that He would use you to pray for people and they would be healed. Tell me about the first person you prayed for that called you from your office.
Steven: Well, actually what had happened to me was I had been reading the Word of God and this was I had been reading in the word of God and this is like eight years later and I hadn’t prayed for the sick at all one time. I had a desire to pray for the sick but I thought “Oh no the enemy was coming in and telling me that “You know you’re a businessman; you run a corporation, God doesn’t want to use you to heal the sick.” And God took me to a scripture that I must have read five or six times, but this time it stood out in like three dimension and it was Mark 16:15 “He said to them go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation, whoever believes and is baptized will be saved and whoever does not believe will be condemned; and these signs will accompany those that believe. And in My name will drive out demons, they’ll speak in new tongues, they’ll pick up snakes with their hands.” And this is what got me; “And they will lay their hands on sick people and they will get well.” And I read that and I thought, “Well, Lord you know I’m following after you the best way I know how, I’m studying the Word of God day and night; I’m going to Bible studies but these signs aren’t following me after my life. And just as I said that I got a phone call from Pat, who was our CPA of our corporation that I was working at South Coast Shopper and she said, “Steve remember I was telling you I was having migraine headaches?” And I said, “Yes, she said they found a tumor on my right parietal lobe of my brain about the size of a small peach, and I’m scared to death that they are going to operate on me tomorrow morning, will you come and pray for me?” And I said yes I would but in my heart of hearts I wasn’t going to pray for her, I was scared to death; I thought “Who am I to pray for somebody that has a brain tumor?” And so I went over to my fiancés house who’s now my wife and she said, “What are you doing, here?” And I said, “Oh, Pat wants me to go to the hospital to pray for her, she’s going to be operated on tomorrow morning and my future wife said, “Well, you can’t come in here until you go to the hospital and pray for Pat.” Thank God for pushy women. So what I did was I got in the car and I all the way there I’m going, “Lord, Lord please don’t let there be anybody in the room when I pray for Pat because I wouldn’t want to embarrass you Lord.” So I get to the room and there’s fifteen people in there and they’re all Jehovah Witnesses.
Sid: Oh, no.
Steven: And they’re all standing around and I had thought to myself, I thought how am I going to pray for Pat, I’ve never laid hands on a person in my whole life.” And God has such a wonderful sense of humor that Pat’s head was shaved bald and there was an X right where the tumor was and the Lord audibly spoke to my heart and said, “X marks the spot.” And so I laid hands on that X and with all of the faith that I could muster up I said, “I rebuke that tumor and I command it to go.” And then I said, “God bless you, all of you and I left and I got in the car and I started crying and I said, “Oh God, oh God, I let you down, I let you down.” And the next morning I get a call at the office at 8:00 in the morning and her husband’s on the phone who was a nonbeliever, he’s hysterical, hysterical he says “you aren’t going to believe this, at 6:30 they cut my wife open and there’s no tumor.” And I just said, “Hey Lord, this is great, this is fun, this is just miraculous” and the word spread throughout the company of all of my employees that Steve walks on water and he can heal the sick. And so I got a knock on my door and it was a little 78 year old Catholic lady named Millie and she said, “I heard what happened with Pat, she said, “I’ve got throat cancer and she said “God told me that if you laid hands on my throat He would heal my throat cancer. And I said, “God told you that?” And she said, “Yes.” And I said, “Well, okay” and I’m going Lord you better do this, you told her that You would do it. So I put my hands on her throat and she flies against the wall and falls onto the ground; and she goes to the doctor and the throat cancers gone.
Sid: Steve, when I’m remembering this young man that’s mixed up in the New Age that’s watching these Christians on television pray for the sick like Ernest Ansley and one person after another that’s death is getting their hearing back and you said, “I would like to do that.” Not even knowing what you were saying, not even knowing why you were saying it; and then all of a sudden in Jesus Name it starting now that you’re born again and Spirit Filled; did you put the two together and remember that you had asked to do this?
Steven: Oh yes I did, heah I put the two together and then I realized and I said, “No wonder You gave me such a desire to heal the sick; because that’s all I want to do the rest of my life.” At one point in time before I was a believer I wanted to be a millionaire at thirty years old and retire. After my conversion experience all I wanted to do was to pray for the sick for the rest of my life. Especially those that had cancer, that was it I just had this desire…
Sid: Tell me one person you prayed for that had cancer that God healed.
Steven: Millie had cancer of the throat; they were going to take out her voice box and give her a mechanical voice box and I went to the hospital the next day and she had a big grin on her face, she said, “Guess what, no cancer, no voice box.” And then the salesman where I worked started telling their clients that they got a guy at work that prayed for the sick and their all getting healed. And so I got one of my salesman came into my office and he said, “Steve he said, “There’s a lady named Carmen and she lives across the street and she has terminal leukemia, they’ve given her a week to live, would you go over there and pray for her.” And I said, “Your darn right I’ll pray for her, so every day at lunch for five days I went over to her house and I laid hands on her and I prayed for her, but there was no manifestation of the Holy Spirit like the other people either fell on the floor or flew against the wall, or some sort of a manifestation, with Carmen there was no manifestation. Well she called me up the next week and she said, “Guess what, I’m at my doctors office, my doctor says I don’t have leukemia any more, I don’t have anything in my body; I can’t say that your healed, I can’t say that you’re not healed, all I can say is that you’re in remission, but you don’t have any cancer in your body.” And it was incredible.
Sid: You know what I find fascinating is I look at how the Holy Spirit has worked in your life, the moment you really got born again you had the gifts of healing within you but it took a while to come out and then you saw you had gifts of healing. And God saw fit to put you with a man that was a member of the Righteous Brothers, the Rock and Roll group, his name John Wimber. I believe you have got on you, not just that healing anointing that God gave you but the same healing anointing that John Wimber had. But I want to find out about that connection with you and John and some of the things you observed with John Wimber because you were his main assistant for how many years?
Steven: Fourteen years.
Sid: So you really saw how John evolved into this great father in the faith especially of signs and wonders. But Mishpochah there are so many Steve Zarit’s around ready to find out that they’re children of the living God that Jesus is their Messiah and God has destiny on your life. Destiny that you would be able to share the gospel with Jewish people and these Jewish people would lead 10’s of 1,000’s of people to the Lord.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest, when he goes to foreign countries like Africa or other places he gets reports, and the reports that he gets is how come you have more miracles than these named ministers that come to our countries. How come you have so many miracles? What is your secret? And I’ll tell you something else. When you understand this secret your faith will be charged. It will be activated and you’re going to get your first love back for the Lord. And if it was just the latter it would be work everything. But how about having your faith charged. How about operating in the faith that is normal according to the Bible? And what is normal according to the Bible? This is what Jesus said: “You will do the same works that I have done and even greater.” What did he do? He raised the dead. Blind could see, deaf could hear, lame could walk. There are points in time where everyone that came into his presence was healed. He says you could do that. Now Jim Richards, I want to know what you’re doing that is so unique, that is charging the faith so that so many miracles happen.
JIM: Well you know, I first want to say more than anything else, it’s nothing special about me, and that’s really, really important to understand. It’s something special about what God did through the Lord Jesus. I discovered that when I would go into these countries and preach they wanted to know what is the secret. I didn’t know there was a secret. I didn’t know. And as I sought God I came up with a couple of things. First of all, I was taking the Gospel to people who had never heard it. They had not been baptized in religion. They didn’t know anything about God except for what I told them. But here is the real key thing, is the messages that I preached were based always centered on the finished work of Jesus. In other words, what happened from the cross to the throne. What happened when Jesus was crucified, died and was raised from the dead. Because in reality every aspect of salvation, and you know this, I’ve heard you say this. You know, the word “saved” doesn’t just mean born again. It means saved, healed, delivered, blessed, prospered, protected, made whole, set apart. Every aspect of what God offers revolves around believing or what we believe about God raising Jesus from the dead. And when we get people to point their faith to the finished work of Jesus, I’m telling you, everything changes.
SID: What I found, as I listen to your teaching, most people know what you just said, that Jesus died, rose from the dead. But they don’t understand how he did it, what he did and what that really means to us, and that’s almost missing universally from most believers. And I think that has a lot to do with why they’re not activated in being normal according to the Bible.
JIM: You know, I heard Mel Gibson say about the great movie, “The Passion,” it was a great movie. But I heard him say this in an interview, I forgot how long the movie was that was dedicated to what happened to him before he died. But there was probably something like 90 seconds dedicated to his resurrection.
SID: Do you know most movies that you see out of Hollywood, they do not talk about the resurrection. They’ll have Jesus hanging on a cross, but they don’t have his great triumph.
JIM: Yeah. And there’s no victory apart from the resurrection. We have nothing from God separate from what Jesus obtained through the resurrection.
SID: You said in your teaching that Jesus did everything as a man. Why is that important to you?
JIM: The Bible says he became a man like we are in every way, yet without sin. It says that he had to become a man so he could be a merciful and faithful high priest. But it also says he had to become a man so that he could defeat the devil who had the power of death and deliver us from fear. And see, Satan had to be defeated by a man. We would have no victory if Jesus had not become a man. And you know, it says, “He emptied himself.” So as a man, he won every battle for me so I don’t have to win it.
SID: And you go even deeper. He had to do what we have to do. He had to use his own faith. Explain.
JIM: That’s right. Every aspect of his life he never did anything as the Son of God. He did everything he did as a man anointed by the Holy Spirit. And when he lived life and modeled this to us he used his faith. The Bible says, “He grew in grace.” The Bible talks about how God was on him, he grew in wisdom and knowledge. Every miracle he did, he did the same way we do where he trusted God, he trusted God’s word and he spoke with the authority that comes from trusting God’s word. And had he not won those victories as a man, they would mean nothing to us. But then he had to go to the cross and win all of those victories as a man yielding to the Spirit of God.
SID: You know, I don’t want to separate it. But I have this kind of mind that’s trying to do this. According to Isaiah 53, he took every sin of every human that has ever been committed. I mean, it would be bad enough to take his own sin, except he didn’t have any, but so he took every else’s sin. This is unbelievable to me. But he also took every pain, emotional, physical, every sickness, every disease. We have problems with one tiny little disease. Imagine having everything.
JIM: You know, some people say, and this may be true, that that’s possibly why there was an eclipse while he was on the cross, because the Bible says, “He became marred more than any other man.” All of his bones went out of joint. See, he took all of the curse of the Law for us so that there would never be one time whenever we’re in a situation where we have to say, does this curse have the right to be here. You know, I might have done something wrong. There might be some consequences, some sowing and reaping as far as that goes. If I do something stupid I may have those kinds of consequences. But there could never be a time that I can stand and say, the reason this is happening to me is because this curse of the Law is on me, because Jesus not only became my sin, but he took all of the curses of the Law for me. Galatians 3:13, “We have been delivered from the curse of the Law. We are redeemed from the curse of the Law because,” the Bible says , “cursed is anyone who hangs on the tree.”
SID: You’ve dealt in your life with a lot of sickness.
JIM: Oh yeah.
SID: I want to find out about that virus that stuck around a number of days and how you used this principle to get free. Don’t go away. We’ll be right back.
Sid: I am holding in my hand an authentic ram’s horn that I just purchased in Israel from the manufacturer and he got his from Africa. It really is an interesting process the ancient rabbis tell us that when you hear the shofar blast it’s like hearing all the promises of all of the ancient prophets coming out at once. So get ready for some of the promises; now I’m not promising how good I am on this but let me give it a try in the name of Yeshua “Help” that’s my prayer by the way. Shofar blast…..well I surprised myself that came out pretty good amazingly. My guest is Pastor Benny Perez. Benny let me tell you something else that the rabbi’s tell us that when you blow the shofar it drives the devil nuts. You were telling me about a healing that your secretary had, sometimes I like our interviews before we even get to the interview, tell me what happened to your secretary.
Benny: Well, my secretary Holly Adam has been coming to our church for a few years now; she was diagnosed with two types of cancer, ovarian cancer and throat cancer. And when she was diagnosed we laid hands on her anointed her with oil, prayed the prayer of faith. And I remember her saying this, “Cancer is just a name, but there’s a name that’s above every name.” And when she said that faith was activated in the atmosphere, literally hundreds and hundreds of people in our church began stretching their hands out. We laid hands on her the power of God hit her, she fell out under the power of God, and picked her up. She went back and verified by medical science both ovarian and throat cancers have been healed and so God has been good to her and she’s experienced two types of healing and we got one more healing that she’s believing God for. But if God did it once Sid, if God did it twice He’s going to do it again.
Sid: Tell me a bit about the insights that you’ve learned in praying for the sick and in healing.
Benny: Well, I’ve looked at Jesus and Jesus has to be our pattern; in the Bible Sid I’ve actually found seven ways Jesus healed. Jesus healed one by laying on of hands, and there’s many scriptures in that. Two Jesus healed by speaking the word; three Jesus healed through virtue or power that was accessible in Him and released through Him. Four Jesus healed through the gifts of healing; five one of my favorites Jesus healed through unorthodox means; spitting on the ground, making mud, putting it on his eyes. Six Jesus healed through the faith of others, you know, when they broke through and he lowered the man Jesus saw their faith; He healed the paralytic. And then Jesus healed through empowering His disciples; the twelve that were sent out, the seventy-two in a great commission. And so I base my healing ministry and as I teach healing we always go back to Jesus and see the different ways that Jesus healed because I believe that sometimes it’s not the way that you did it before; sometimes God may want to use you in an unorthodox way.
Sid: You know speaking an unorthodox, one of the things that I find especially with Christians is that they’ve been prayed for so many times that if you do it the standard ways they just don’t receive, but if you do something in a way you almost catch them by surprise the anointing of healing just whoosh goes right into them.
Benny: Absolutely and I think that’s the power of the unorthodox means because it’s not like I’ve done this already, I’ve tried this already. I mean there has to be faith there and faith now once that is ignited and they believe “Yes, Jesus can heal me” and people begin to operate in the kind of healing flow that Jesus operated in sometimes it’s a word. I’ve just given a word, “You know what your healed right now of your infirmity.” Boom they are healed; sometimes it’s lying on of hands and sometimes it’s anointing with oil. Sometimes it’s not even me doing it I will be inspired and the Holy Spirit speak to me “Have this person, this person, this person lay hands on them.” And so I’ve learned that if it’s really a healing flow of God; God is a creative God and I don’t think it’s going to be done the same way with every person the same way as He did before. And so we teach our people to be open to the leading and guiding of the Holy Spirit and to make sure that your listening to that still small voice and that you’re following what He’s telling you to do because that voice of the Holy Spirit will never ever tell you to do something that is contrary to the written word of God.
Sid: Tell me an unorthodox way that comes to mind.
Benny: I was in a meeting and I asked “Who needed healing and there was a gentleman 6’ 8”, his name was Brent Keerly and all of a sudden God told me to bring him on the plat-form. I brought him on the platform; I said, “Do you really want God to heal you?” He said “Yes.” Well, what’s happened with him was that he had incredible back problem, I mean 6’ 8” you could imagine he’s having a real big back problem. I said, “Okay, lift your hands towards heaven” and the Holy Spirit spoke to me and I know that this sounds strange, the Holy Spirit spoke he said, “Run and body block him, literally tackle him.”
Sid: I hope your malpractice insurance is paid up. [Laughing]
Benny: Sid I checked that voice once, I check it twice, and I said “Can I pray for you the way that God said?” He said, “Yes.” I said close your eyes, because I don’t want him to see me coming at him. And literally I ran at him and like the old Smith Wigglesworth of days I hit him as hard as I could. He hit the ground, he yelled out in pain and all of a sudden I’m thinking, “Well, there goes my ministry, there goes my money, there goes everything, I’m going to be sued.” He gets up totally healed by the power of God. I could tell you another incidence I’ve actually thrown fireballs.
Sid: Thrown fireballs?
Sid: How do you even hold a fireball?
Benny: God told me Sid, I’m in another place in Oregon and there’s this gentleman and he has no cartilage in his knees and I said, “Do you want to be healed?” He said, “Yes,” and I heard the voice of God say “Throw a fire ball as if I had a baseball in my hand I wound up Sid and I could feel the fire of God in my right hand.” And as if I was throwing it to a catcher, that’s what I did I wound up and I threw it; this fireball hit this man; lifted him off the ground two feet drove him back in the air, the catchers separated, they didn’t even catch him. He hit the ground and he screaming, “I’m on fire, I’m on fire,” as if he’s physically on fire; he is just vibrating on the ground. And man the place goes crazy the power of God shows up, he get up off the ground the man weighs probably about 350 pounds only 5’6” he starts dancing around like he’s a ballerina only weighing 100 pounds crying, “There’s no pain, there’s no pain; I’m healed, I’m healed.” Runs out of the meeting, we were at a camp comes back into the meeting about ten minutes later with a pillowcase filled with junk food. Comes into the middle of the meeting, gets our attention, dumps his junk food out he said, “Now only did I get healed in my knees God healed me in my heart of abuse that took place when I was a little boy, and I don’t need to eat any more of this food to try and comfort me. I am healed by the power of God both physically and emotionally.”
Sid: If you pray for people right now, people will be healed by the power of God physically and emotionally right now Pastor Benny Perez.
Benny: Well let’s pray “Father in the mighty name of Jesus I speak healing both to the physical and the emotional being of every individual right now. In fact there is somebody right now that you’ve been having difficulty with your breathing and your listening to this show and faith has just exploded inside of you and your feeling a warmth on your body begin to take a deep breath and see your lungs now begin now begin to loosen; see as the breath begins to come back into you the power of God is touching your right now if you receive that healing both physical and emotional right now. All you have to say is “I take that right now and God will bring a manifested healing into your body into your emotions in Jesus name.””
Sid: And there is someone whose upper right hip is aching them, if you’ll begin to walk and praise God you’ll see that that pain is gone. Because pain is a name and that name is lower than the name of Jesus.
Benny: Ooooooo yes, yeah.
Sid: I’m just enjoying the anointing, I don’t know if God’s showing you anything else but on radio you can’t have dead time but I don’t care what you can’t have it’s my show and it’s not dead, it’s the anointing of God is pouring through the radios and the CD’s right now.
Benny: There’s somebody right now Sid when I told the story of the knee with the cartilage the Lord just spoke to me he said “Speak that healing again for people’s knees right now with no cartilage to be made whole. I speak sir right now in the name of Jesus, I’m getting this name Steve, Steven; you’re out there right now and your listening to this show and your wondering does God do the supernatural? Steve right now receive it, right now that God can heal your knees in the name of Jesus right at this moment, not later, right now the power of God is touching you; receive that right now.”
Sid: And the Spirit of God is also telling me that to repeat what I said, “Anyone with a hip problem right or left hip you are healed in Jesus name.”