SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Clarice and Ron Holden. And Clarice, you were on cloud nine because God has restored your marriage, prospered your business. And instantly, your husband is hit with a drunk driver, a truck plows into him. He had, what a broken neck? What else did you know?

CLARICE: His neck was broken in two places, his leg was shattered, his pelvis was broken, his liver was torn, his kidney was bruised…

SID: What she didn’t know was there was some even worse things going on. She got to the hospital, and about a week later, she sees that there’s something seriously wrong and these doctors aren’t taking care of it. And yes, what she just described was bad, but there was something more. You knew there was something even worse that was going on. What’d you do about it?

CLARICE: Well, I told them “He is irrational. I mean I could not make him understand anything
We have got to do something. We’ve got to have and MRI, a CAT scan, or something.” They brought someone in, and as soon as they did the CAT scan, here comes the doctor running down the hall, “Mrs. Holden, we’ve got an emergency. Your husband has a crack in his intestines and it is seeping into his system all week. And he is poisoning, and it will kill him if we don’t do surgery immediately.” And so they went into surgery. He was in surgery from five and a half to six hours, and the doctor came in after that and he said, “We’ve done everything we can do. He is in a coma, he’s on life support, he has a colostomy, and he is wide open. Because, when we did the surgery, his insides came out, and we were not able to close him back. So, we have a net over him. Mrs. Holden, you need to go home and get your affairs in order. Your husband will not make it through the night.”

SID: Stop. When he said that to you, “Your husband will not make it through the night,” what came out of your mouth?

CLARICE: I said, “I just know that he will.” I knew that he would. And I said, “I need you to get in agreement with me. I’m going to pray, and I’m going to believe God that He will give you the wisdom to do what it takes to get him well.”

SID: Wait a second, the doctor said he’s not going to make it through the night, and you say to the doctor I want you to agree you’re going to have wisdom to get him well. I mean these two are not computing. What did he say to you?

CLARICE: He said, “Mrs. Holden, I can’t do that. Now seriously, it’s bad. Three hours is what he’s going to be here. It’ll last about three hours.” And I said “I just will not take no for an answer.” But he walked out of the room, and I went to the chapel and I got by myself, and when I was coming out of that chapel about an hour later, this doctor came by. And I approached him and asked him again to please agree with me; that I was going to pray, and I believed God would give him wisdom. And he said he would agree with me. And we started praying, and I said, “Now tell me, what is the first thing that we need to get him through? What is it going to take to get him through this night.” And he told us. And we went to prayer with this, and we stood. And when we got through the night, the next morning, the doctor said “We made it through the night.” I said “Yes, and we’re going to make it through the day too.” So we just progressed every day, things were happening. And they would get worse, they’d tell us what we needed, we would tell the prayer team, and we would pray. And things would ease off. I also, in turn, told my family “We are not going to… I don’t want anybody saying ‘Poor Ronnie.’ We are going to believe he is coming out of this. And if you don’t believe the way I’m believing, you cannot come in to see him.” And I stood there, and I just stood guard. It was like I would not let anybody in, but I kept praying, just making sure that things…

SID: How many days did you stay in the hospital with him?

CLARICE: 52 days.

SID: Did you ever leave the hospital?

CLARICE: I didn’t go home.

SID: Why?

CLARICE: Because that’s my husband. I cannot leave him there, and I wasn’t going to leave him. And the doctor kept saying to me “Mrs. Holden, you need to go get rest.” I said, “When he goes home, I’ll go home.” And that’s what I meant. And I just knew that I had to be there every moment. And there were real bad times. I mean Ronnie, he was crashing, and there were code blue’s, and his kidneys would shut down, different things would happen, and it was a moment-by-moment fight.

SID: There had to be one point, though, at least, or many points, when you thought, “It’s just too hard. He’s not going to make it. I’m tossing in the towel. I’m going home.”

CLARICE: I didn’t say I was going home, but I did have a night that I lost all hope for just a moment.

SID: Briefly, tell me.

CLARICE: I just knew, I felt like someone said to me “You’ve got to play your husband’s funeral.” It just made me so mad; I acted like a crazy person. I started beating on the walls; I said, “I will not. I will not.” And I got what was in my head into my heart. I said, “He’s going to be well, he’s going to go home, and he’s going to be fine.” And I fought that night, and the next morning, he started getting better.

SID: Listen, it says in the scriptures in God’s presence, all things are possible. Well, not only was Clarice in God’s presence, so are you.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here, welcome to my world where it is naturally supernatural. I would not want to be in any other atmosphere but the atmosphere of Heaven. You can have your religion; I mean you can have your tradition. Tradition! Just give me the presence of the Living God, that rarefied air. Now my guest, Jason Westerfield has been transported in the spirit to the pentagon, he has seen high-level meetings there, he has been transported in the spirit to the White House, he saw meetings with the President of the United States and then months later, Jason, you read about it in the newspaper. That’s pretty cool, but the thing that is even more amazing to me is you scooped NASA on a comet, what happened?

JASON: Well the Lord took me in a new experience and showed me a vision of a comet taking place.

SID: I mean NADSA hadn’t even heard of this comet coming.

JASON: No comets are usually cyclic so you know when they are coming, but the Lord in this experience showed me a comet going throughout outer space and said that it was going to be a sign in the heavens of what he was doing in our generation here on the earth. He said in one generation the whole face and expression of Christianity, but also the world was going to change, that we live in a season of reformation. And he said just as Martin Luther in the early 1500’s during the time of reformation they had an understanding that you could be save by grace with faith in God and understanding of salvation, this generation was going to have an understanding of the Kingdom of God and the people would be able to walk in greater intimacy with the Lord than they ever had before and begin to walk in the greater works of Jesus Christ.

SID: Now as a young boy you weren’t really churched, you weren’t really religious or anything like that but you had an encounter with God, tell me about it.

JASON: Yeah, I was praying in my room one day, not knowing exactly what prayer was, and I just said God if you are real, would you please come in my room right now. And as I did that my room was completely black, a bright light shined in my room for about 45 seconds to the point that it took awhile for my eyes to dilate, and during that time, once my eyes dilated, there was a man sitting on the floor in a prayer position like this and then he turned and looked at me, he had the biggest smile I have ever seen of anyone and the brightest eyes of intensity and a living air, electrical like cloud around him that eventually came off of him and it went on me, rested on me my whole body began to be filled with love, and it was like an electrical current, a warm energy going throughout my whole being and I never felt so loved in all my life.

SID: But then over the years you didn’t forget it but you went on to do your thing, you wanted to be in show business in southern California, but things looked pretty empty to you, like what?

JASON: Well, I noticed from the people that I was around that were succeeding and doing what I thought was success, a lot of their lives were empty. They might have had fame; they might have had money, they might have had a lot of good things going for them but inside they were void. And what I thought would be success I realized wasn’t, so that was a sad reality. And what I did is, I went and meditate and tried to pray for three and a half weeks, knowing there was a God but not knowing exactly what his name was. I began to try to see God how I knew how, and then I had an encounter again with the person who I had an encounter with when I was a young boy and I got radically saved in my living room when the Lord Jesus appeared to me, and that’s how I got saved. And he told me how much that he loved me as well, and for the next three and a half weeks I would have encounters almost daily before I had ever been to church.

SID: Tell me a few of these encounters because it sounds so phenomenal to me.

JASON: Well first off I didn’t know anything different because all I had was a Bible that I had found and in it was normal people, and what I saw normal as is people who had worse résumés than me who were adulterers and murderers and they were just normal people who God spoke to and most worked normal jobs and then God worked through them in supernatural feats so when I read this I just thought that was normal for everybody. And I didn’t realize God had changed. I know man hasn’t and I knew the earth wasn’t really much different and so during this time I would see what was with them and I asked God could I have this take place in my life and he said yes and so I started to asking him to show me things that would take place, things that would have to do with weather things, things that would have to do with conditions in the earth. The Lord also during this time began to show me things that were taking place in businesses, with mergers and acquisitions. So it wasn’t, I didn’t have the grid for religion, or the grid that something only took place in a building.

SID: So when you went to the church then for the first time after this experience you were shocked.

JASON: I was, and it is not every church, this was my experience with the first church I went to. When I went inside a lot of the people looked depressed, they looked heavy, and I thought everyone had had the same encounter that I had. I had no idea what went on in the walls…

SID: Even the ones that look happy they hadn’t had encounters like you have had.

JASON: I didn’t know that, and I remember when I started sharing out of my friendship with God the things that he was sharing with me and just the great hours that I had with him, I remember when someone first told me that God didn’t speak today, I was thinking, where did this person come from.

SID: What planet?

JASON: How can you have a friendship or relationship with someone that is personal unless you communicate, you try it with your spouse.

SID: It is not going to work too well. Well give me one example, you have been to heaven, tell me about that.

JASON: Well Heaven is amazing; there is also the heavens, so there is many different realms in God besides just the Throne of God. But a few times that I have been taken up and been completely transformed also, not just in my spirit but in my mind where God has put an acceleration in my mind, accelerated things, I saw things there that I haven’t really seen here with different sights and different sounds, there is a lot of energy and a lot of lights and a whole lot of activity first of all, so people that don’t like a lot of activity or noise, they are probably not going to like Heaven. it is a, another amazing thing is just the Lord Jesus himself, God is so loving but he is also righteous, regal King, and he has so much love for the whole world. One time when I went there what the Lord had done he had brought to my remembrance everything that I had ever done wrong in my whole life, from my thoughts to my attitude, to words and actions, when I had hurt other people and hurt myself, I felt like the most wicked person ever, and the Lord had come and lifted up my head and looked at me and told me how much he loved me and from that point on all the guilt and shame was broken on my life, and also trying to be perfect was broken off my life as I knew God would love me just who I was.

SID: And that’s true for you too, God loves you just as you are. We will be right back after this word, don’t go away, it is going to get so cool.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world, where it’s naturally supernatural. I’m here with Clarice and Ron Holden. What would happen to you if you got a phone call and found out that your husband was just hit by a drunk driver? Worse than that, he had a truck. And your husband had three hours to live. What would you do? How would your world be changed? Well what Clarice Holden did is so amazing to me. I know the story, I know the results, and I’m still in awe over what Clarice did. But I want to go back a little bit. Ronnie, your dad was an alcoholic, you were an alcoholic, you were into drugs, and your wife gets religion. What did you think about her?

RONNIE: I thought she had completely lost her mind.

SID: Well did you give her a hard time?

RONNIE: Oh absolutely. All I could, I gave her a hard time. I didn’t believe what she was doing.

SID: Ok. You had a prophecy. In other words, a man said “I have a message for you from God.”
What was that message?

CLARICE: He said, “The last two years have been a living hell, but the next two are going to be even worse.

SID: Oh no! How would you like to get a word like that?

CLARICE: It was not good at the beginning, but he finished by saying “Your husband will be on his deathbed, flat on his back, all alone, and he will see the salvation of God. He will have a visitation from God.” And I said, “How in the world is this going to happen? He will not speak to a Christian.” You know, whenever something like that happened, I just could not picture it. But that’s the way it happened.

SID: Ok. Ronnie, tell me about the day, the moment, this prophecy came to pass.

RONNIE: It was in 1984. It was February 17th. I was lying in bed, and somehow I just woke up.
It was like 3 o’clock in the morning, and I was lying in bed. I was in rehab. And I looked up and the room was white, like clouds were in the room. And this Man was standing over the bed, and to me, it looked like a picture I had seen in the Bible of Jesus when I was a little boy. And He just stood there and put His hands out to me, and I didn’t really realize what was going on, but at that time I was delivered of alcohol and drugs and things in my life.

SID: Now when you say delivered, how bad was your alcohol addiction?

RONNIE: I drank all the time. I’d stay out two or three days, I had blackouts. I drank pretty much most of the time.

SID: But you can’t… You understand now, you can’t instantly lose an addiction like that. Are you telling me, instantly you lost this addiction?

RONNIE: Well I didn’t think so either. I had tried so many different ways to lose it, and I didn’t realize it’d really happened. But when I got up and went outside, I started thinking about alcohol and thinking about drugs, and I physically got nauseated even thinking about it. I had no desire for it at all.

SID: What kind of drugs were you on?

RONNIE: I was addicted to cocaine…

SID: Again, you can’t just walk away from cocaine. You had a real miracle.

RONNIE: In the natural world you can’t, but I had a miracle. And I wasn’t really expecting anything to happen to me. I’d never heard of anything like that before. I never knew anybody that that happened to. But I cried out, and I knew I was going to die, and I only had one chance. I had heard about religion or God, but I didn’t think He’d help me, because I was a mean person. I was a bad person. And I had no idea God would help me, but as a last resort, after I’d tried everything else, I cried out to God “I’m going to die, I’m not going to make it. I only have a few more days the way I’m living my life.” And that happened. It changed my life.

SID: Clarice, when he told you this story, what went on inside of you?

CLARICE: Well first, I got a call from him; he said, “Will you bring me a Bible?” I’m like “Oh my goodness, yes I’ll bring you a Bible.” And I got there, I was so excited, it was just amazing. It was what I had always dreamt of and prayed for, and to see him acting different. And he just played this game. He would take that Bible and he would open it up and he would point, and whatever he wanted, God was so supernaturally showing him what he wanted to see, and it was the answer that he needed at that time.

SID: Listen, you got, not only a brand new husband, God began to prosper the two of you. Tell me just briefly, Clarice, how He prospered you financially.

CLARICE: Well, first of all, He restored our marriage. That was number one, which was wonderful. And then, our restaurant, it flourished. God really just showed Ronnie how to go in
and change things in the menu and in the restaurant, and it just started prospering. And then we opened a clothing business, and that has been phenomenal. God has just blessed both of them. And we have invested in real estate, and it’s been good, and it’s really been great. It really has.

SID: I mean it sounds almost like a storybook romance. A marriage is restored; their finances are being showered, Ronnie, you’re hearing from God on how to prosper in your business. And then, on May 8th, 2000, he gets hit by a drunk driver in a car. The driver’s in a truck. You literally catapulted out of your car? Did you have your seatbelt on?

RONNIE: I had a seatbelt on; it broke it off the back of the seat and threw me out the passenger window.

SID: And then, you go out the passenger window, and the truck comes rolling over and just stops short of falling on you, but it doesn’t matter, you had everything imaginable wrong with you. I mean the doctors actually said three hours to live.

SID: Hello Sid Roth here with Jason Westerfield and I am in awe for what God is doing with this young man because he is a prototype of the new generation of people that know God and I can’t wait for it to happen but I want you to meet Jason. Jason, you were taken in the spirit and you saw Alan Greenspan talking to President Bush, what happened?

JASON: Well one time while praying the Lord had taken me in the spirit over this place where, I will sit in a lot of times on different businesses and governments the Lord will take me to just to show me what is going on, not just to show me but so I can pray because when the righteous lead a nation really is blessed and during this one encounter, it was early in the morning there was a man sitting in there and I couldn’t quite remember who he was but I knew the next gentleman who walked in, it was President George Bush, and when he walked in he was talking to Alan Greenspan offering him another duration of time to be watchman of the Federal reserve and really overseeing our economy, and so I came back and I reported this to people what was going on and that Alan Greenspan would be on for another duration of time to oversee the economy and then a few months after that, it was on headlines that it showed that Bush had offered Alan Greenspan that position again.

SID: And you also can influence winds by prayer, tell me about that.

JASON: Well God is the Lord of all creation.

SID: You did that with me yesterday you know, do you remember, you said do you feel a wind and all of a sudden I felt a wind just blowing into my face.

JASON: Well he is the Lord of Heaven and that has to do with atmospheres and environments and also the weather, God really is over those things and in control of those things, and he also says he makes his angels winds, and so sometimes when the realm of the Kingdom starts coming in, the supernatural realm of the spirit starts being unfolded in the natural realm there will be a lot of angelic activity and when that begins to take place what happens many a times is you just see winds begin to blow and so I was in a place, Santa Nella, California a few years back and the Lord said there is going to be record high winds here this day because of the angelic activity and there will be numerous miracles. Well without me touching anybody, just welcoming God’s Holy Spirit into the room, the Spirit of the Lord, what had happened there was all these miracles taking place and peoples eyes began to get sight who couldn’t see, the tumors being dissolved, but also such a range of authority began to open up that people over at the local hospital began to get healed as well, and began to come to the meeting where they had loved ones. And outside you could hear winds blowing and trash cans blowing around. I went to my room trying to avoid not getting blown over by the wind and the next day in the paper it said record high winds in Santa Nella.

SID: By the way the same time that that wind hit me I was looking at you, you told me to look at you, explain, I really don’t understand what happened, but I did what you said, I looked at you and all of a sudden you became almost just light and just disappeared before my eyes, what was happening?

JASON: Well, it says we are the light of the world and God is light and when we are really walking in the spirit and walking more filled.

SID: You were praying for me to see in the spirit.

JASON: Yeah, again what happens we begin to see spiritual things but also our life begins to take on a reflection of that as well and so when that happens there also will be winds that begin to start blowing, there will be an overshadowing where you can literally walk down the road or walk into places and people just being in your presence will start getting healed as well. They start to have spiritual encounters and get more hope in their life and vision, but people also get miraculously healed.

SID: Speaking of hope, I would like to see the clip of, remember that woman that was looking for bus fare at the campus of Yale University?

JASON: Yes I do

SID: Let’s go to that right now.

JASON: If anyone right now you need healing in your body for anything just come over here. Don’t care what people think. If you need healing in your body for anything come over here right now. I don’t care with your back a shoulder, allergies, your ankles, your knees, whatever it is don’t be afraid. God loves you so much.

VO: This is Jason Westerfield. I visited him at his home in New Haven, Connecticut because I had heard that he was radical for Jesus. I wasn’t prepared for just how radical he was. We went to the campus of Yale University, our one goal? To find people for God to heal. It didn’t take long.

JASON: Even though you are waiting for disability if you were to be healed in your mind would you be more happy with that than a few little bucks?

WOMAN: If I was what?

JASON: If you were well in your mind would you be more happy with that than getting a few bucks even if it costs you and you couldn’t get money for disability?

WOMAN: Absolutely, and you know what the thing is I am on medication but we keep switching from medication to medication to medication.

JASON: they actually don’t know quite what it is.

WOMAN: But how do you know and the other things is.

JASON: Do you want to be well from that though?

WOMAN: why, do you have some kind of a gift or something?

JASON: Yeah I do. Do you want to be well of that? I saw it right on you when you walked up.

WOMAN: You did?

JASON: Yeah, I mean if you want to be well I will pray for you right now.

WOMAN: Oh I am on my knees every morning and every night.

JASON: Well I will pray for you

WOMAN: Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior, absolutely, absolutely.

JASON: Yeah that torment in your mind has caused you to be like this.

WOMAN: Yeah it is, it is.

JASON: I am just asking do you want that to go?

WOMAN: Yeah

JASON: Because also it chokes you up in your breathing sometimes and also your knee right here God wants to straighten that.

WOMAN: How do you know all that?

JASON: Just stand right there okay. Father God in Jesus Name I want to first start with her head Lord, just cover her in your blood, she loves you, Holy Spirit I pray your Kingdom to come, Holy Spirit come upon her right now, in Jesus Name, the Kingdom of God come upon her right now and I ask for a wind to come in the natural, just start coming around her head, I just pray for full bloom deliverance from all witchcraft that cursed, I speak blessing over you right now, I command healing into your right knee right now in Jesus Name I command healing underneath your kneecap and strength and then all throughout the back of your spine and all the way up and I pray the blessing of God right now I break the power of the spirit of infirmity and affliction and pain. In your sinus I pray for healing right now to open up in Jesus Name in your nose and the heaviness go. I pray for the fire of God begin to come now in Jesus Name. So the wind is blowing around you right now and the pain in your lower right side of your back or side I pray for healing in there right now. There it is. Go ahead and take a deep breath and move around now. Take a deep breath and move around.

WOMAN: I felt chills.

JASON: What, you felt chills going through you.

WOMAN: All over, in the sinuses, you hit everything.

JASON: Everything, yeah the sinuses and the knees every single thing wrong with you got hit.

WOMAN: My knees, degenerative disk disease.

JASON: Degenerative disk disease, yeah, God loves you and what happened is his Kingdom just came upon you by the power of the Holy Spirit and God just brought salvation to you, you are forgiven but he just brought deliverance and healing and so now God wants to restore joy to you, and even wants to establish and reorder your equilibrium, even you hearing.

VO: Now keep in mind we just met this lady, she walked up to us looking for bus fare, Jason prayed for her and she walked away blessed. Right after that Jason saw a guy on crutches.

JASON: Thank you Lord, there’s our man.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Billy Joe Daugherty. And that Grace was priceless. Anyone that thinks that she was faking it, we have a Hebrew word. The Hebrew word is “mashuga.” Crazy. You are crazy. That was so real that anyone could see that. Billy Joe, tell me about someone else that was healed in your church, that person that was just brought to your church, Josh.

BILLY JOE: Just brought in by a neighbor that had observed he had terrible problems walking. He had to walk with crutches, cane, and had disks that had disintegrated or collapsed, or something, in the back of his body, all up and down his spine. And he came in much the way Grace did. You know, when you think about Grace who was a criminal trial lawyer from New Jersey, first time there, well it was the same way with Josh. He was from our city, but it was his first time. He just walked in, but faith rose up inside of him to believe for a miracle.

SID: A picture is worth a thousand words. Let’s take a look at Josh.

[Video Clip]
BILLY JOE: This is Josh. Tell us what’s happened.

JOSH: Every disk in my back is wrong from the top to bottom, all the way. And for ten years I’ve been on these sticks. I never take a step without them for years.

BILLY JOE: Can you walk up on stage.

JOSH: I believe I can. [cheers]

FEMALE: Brandon is his neighbor. And Brandon and his wife, and their little boy were here this morning. They’ve been visiting some here at Victory. And they heard that there was going to be a healing service tonight. So he went over next door to his neighbor here, Josh, and said, “Would you come with us to church.”

BILLY JOE: This is your next door neighbor?

BRANDON: This is my next door neighbor.

BILLY JOE: So you thought about bringing him. How did you get him to come?

BRANDON: I just called and we prayed. My wife and I prayed together and just called him, and he said, “I would love to go.” So there was no hesitation. I just couldn’t believe it. It was no problem. And his mom drove him home and he was ready to come here.

JOSH: This last week, well my legs completely gave out on me. I’ve fallen three different times. And this last week just because I couldn’t even ride a bike. And I knew that. And the pain is excruciating. The pain was excruciating. I’ve been in bed 90 percent of the time for the last, since I’m 25, so almost ten years.

BILLY JOE: Josh, do you receive Jesus in your heart tonight?

JOSH: Yes I do.

BILLY JOE: Do you accept him right now?

JOSH: I do.

BILLY JOE: Yeah. We just witnessed not only healing but salvation come into his life. Yea!
[cheers]

CHILD: Yea!

BILLY JOE: Yeah! Yes! Praise.

SID: Billy Joe, I just have to echo the words that you said there. Yea!

BILLY JOE: That is it. And you know, Sid, the power of God is present right now to heal people right where they are. This is the time for it. I’d like to pray for each of you that are watching. The same power you witnessed in healing others is available to heal you. And I pray whatever has come against your life in the way of sickness, torment, bondage, or oppression; I pray that it will be removed now by the authority of Jesus’ name, by the love of God coming to you. Rise up out of your sickness. Be whole of your disease and be healed inside as well as outside your entire person. In Jesus’ name I pray for eyes to be healed and ears, for blood to be cleansed, tumors to be removed. And I pray for your limbs to be strengthened to move as they were intended to move. This is your day of miracles. Whatever you cannot do, begin to do. Maybe it’s like Grace, beginning to move those fingers. Maybe it’s like Josh, beginning to run. This is your moment, Sid, for people to say, “Lord I receive your healing power.”

SID: You know, the presence of God is so awesome. But we didn’t talk yet about that man from Mexico that was blind for 50, did you hear that, 52 years. Tell me just briefly about it.

BILLY JOE: Well he was in that field where we were preaching, in just an open area. And when he came forward, it was one of those amazing moments. I don’t know if anyone ever laid hands on him, because we didn’t see it until the whole thing had happened. And then when you have something like that, of course, you’re going to get family to verify and testify, just like with Natonel with his blind situation, because you want to know, you know, what was taking place.

SID: Yes.

BILLY JOE: Well there were people there who had led him, and of course, had lived with him all those years. And he was simply in the crowd and heard the Word. So there’s various ways of healing. You can lay hands on people. You can agree in prayer. But one of the most powerful is you simply believe what Jesus has spoken.

SID: And the greatest healing is the healing of your soul, is intimacy with God. Will you live for things? You’re being given the same choice that Billy Joe Daugherty was given. Do you want to live for things or live for God? The only thing you’re going to take to Heaven is living for God. The only thing that is going to count is souls. He who wins souls is wise. Let’s start with you. Who are you living for? Who is your God? Who is your Lord? You must have intimacy with God. There’s a part of you that is pulling out, pulling out saying, God I want you. All you have to do with your mouth is say, I make Jesus my Lord. Start it. Start now.