SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Clarice and Ron Holden. And Clarice, you were on cloud nine because God has restored your marriage, prospered your business. And instantly, your husband is hit with a drunk driver, a truck plows into him. He had, what a broken neck? What else did you know?
CLARICE: His neck was broken in two places, his leg was shattered, his pelvis was broken, his liver was torn, his kidney was bruised…
SID: What she didn’t know was there was some even worse things going on. She got to the hospital, and about a week later, she sees that there’s something seriously wrong and these doctors aren’t taking care of it. And yes, what she just described was bad, but there was something more. You knew there was something even worse that was going on. What’d you do about it?
CLARICE: Well, I told them “He is irrational. I mean I could not make him understand anything
We have got to do something. We’ve got to have and MRI, a CAT scan, or something.” They brought someone in, and as soon as they did the CAT scan, here comes the doctor running down the hall, “Mrs. Holden, we’ve got an emergency. Your husband has a crack in his intestines and it is seeping into his system all week. And he is poisoning, and it will kill him if we don’t do surgery immediately.” And so they went into surgery. He was in surgery from five and a half to six hours, and the doctor came in after that and he said, “We’ve done everything we can do. He is in a coma, he’s on life support, he has a colostomy, and he is wide open. Because, when we did the surgery, his insides came out, and we were not able to close him back. So, we have a net over him. Mrs. Holden, you need to go home and get your affairs in order. Your husband will not make it through the night.”
SID: Stop. When he said that to you, “Your husband will not make it through the night,” what came out of your mouth?
CLARICE: I said, “I just know that he will.” I knew that he would. And I said, “I need you to get in agreement with me. I’m going to pray, and I’m going to believe God that He will give you the wisdom to do what it takes to get him well.”
SID: Wait a second, the doctor said he’s not going to make it through the night, and you say to the doctor I want you to agree you’re going to have wisdom to get him well. I mean these two are not computing. What did he say to you?
CLARICE: He said, “Mrs. Holden, I can’t do that. Now seriously, it’s bad. Three hours is what he’s going to be here. It’ll last about three hours.” And I said “I just will not take no for an answer.” But he walked out of the room, and I went to the chapel and I got by myself, and when I was coming out of that chapel about an hour later, this doctor came by. And I approached him and asked him again to please agree with me; that I was going to pray, and I believed God would give him wisdom. And he said he would agree with me. And we started praying, and I said, “Now tell me, what is the first thing that we need to get him through? What is it going to take to get him through this night.” And he told us. And we went to prayer with this, and we stood. And when we got through the night, the next morning, the doctor said “We made it through the night.” I said “Yes, and we’re going to make it through the day too.” So we just progressed every day, things were happening. And they would get worse, they’d tell us what we needed, we would tell the prayer team, and we would pray. And things would ease off. I also, in turn, told my family “We are not going to… I don’t want anybody saying ‘Poor Ronnie.’ We are going to believe he is coming out of this. And if you don’t believe the way I’m believing, you cannot come in to see him.” And I stood there, and I just stood guard. It was like I would not let anybody in, but I kept praying, just making sure that things…
SID: How many days did you stay in the hospital with him?
CLARICE: 52 days.
SID: Did you ever leave the hospital?
CLARICE: I didn’t go home.
CLARICE: Because that’s my husband. I cannot leave him there, and I wasn’t going to leave him. And the doctor kept saying to me “Mrs. Holden, you need to go get rest.” I said, “When he goes home, I’ll go home.” And that’s what I meant. And I just knew that I had to be there every moment. And there were real bad times. I mean Ronnie, he was crashing, and there were code blue’s, and his kidneys would shut down, different things would happen, and it was a moment-by-moment fight.
SID: There had to be one point, though, at least, or many points, when you thought, “It’s just too hard. He’s not going to make it. I’m tossing in the towel. I’m going home.”
CLARICE: I didn’t say I was going home, but I did have a night that I lost all hope for just a moment.
SID: Briefly, tell me.
CLARICE: I just knew, I felt like someone said to me “You’ve got to play your husband’s funeral.” It just made me so mad; I acted like a crazy person. I started beating on the walls; I said, “I will not. I will not.” And I got what was in my head into my heart. I said, “He’s going to be well, he’s going to go home, and he’s going to be fine.” And I fought that night, and the next morning, he started getting better.
SID: Listen, it says in the scriptures in God’s presence, all things are possible. Well, not only was Clarice in God’s presence, so are you.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Billy Joe Daugherty. And that Grace was priceless. Anyone that thinks that she was faking it, we have a Hebrew word. The Hebrew word is “mashuga.” Crazy. You are crazy. That was so real that anyone could see that. Billy Joe, tell me about someone else that was healed in your church, that person that was just brought to your church, Josh.
BILLY JOE: Just brought in by a neighbor that had observed he had terrible problems walking. He had to walk with crutches, cane, and had disks that had disintegrated or collapsed, or something, in the back of his body, all up and down his spine. And he came in much the way Grace did. You know, when you think about Grace who was a criminal trial lawyer from New Jersey, first time there, well it was the same way with Josh. He was from our city, but it was his first time. He just walked in, but faith rose up inside of him to believe for a miracle.
SID: A picture is worth a thousand words. Let’s take a look at Josh.
BILLY JOE: This is Josh. Tell us what’s happened.
JOSH: Every disk in my back is wrong from the top to bottom, all the way. And for ten years I’ve been on these sticks. I never take a step without them for years.
BILLY JOE: Can you walk up on stage.
JOSH: I believe I can. [cheers]
FEMALE: Brandon is his neighbor. And Brandon and his wife, and their little boy were here this morning. They’ve been visiting some here at Victory. And they heard that there was going to be a healing service tonight. So he went over next door to his neighbor here, Josh, and said, “Would you come with us to church.”
BILLY JOE: This is your next door neighbor?
BRANDON: This is my next door neighbor.
BILLY JOE: So you thought about bringing him. How did you get him to come?
BRANDON: I just called and we prayed. My wife and I prayed together and just called him, and he said, “I would love to go.” So there was no hesitation. I just couldn’t believe it. It was no problem. And his mom drove him home and he was ready to come here.
JOSH: This last week, well my legs completely gave out on me. I’ve fallen three different times. And this last week just because I couldn’t even ride a bike. And I knew that. And the pain is excruciating. The pain was excruciating. I’ve been in bed 90 percent of the time for the last, since I’m 25, so almost ten years.
BILLY JOE: Josh, do you receive Jesus in your heart tonight?
JOSH: Yes I do.
BILLY JOE: Do you accept him right now?
JOSH: I do.
BILLY JOE: Yeah. We just witnessed not only healing but salvation come into his life. Yea!
BILLY JOE: Yeah! Yes! Praise.
SID: Billy Joe, I just have to echo the words that you said there. Yea!
BILLY JOE: That is it. And you know, Sid, the power of God is present right now to heal people right where they are. This is the time for it. I’d like to pray for each of you that are watching. The same power you witnessed in healing others is available to heal you. And I pray whatever has come against your life in the way of sickness, torment, bondage, or oppression; I pray that it will be removed now by the authority of Jesus’ name, by the love of God coming to you. Rise up out of your sickness. Be whole of your disease and be healed inside as well as outside your entire person. In Jesus’ name I pray for eyes to be healed and ears, for blood to be cleansed, tumors to be removed. And I pray for your limbs to be strengthened to move as they were intended to move. This is your day of miracles. Whatever you cannot do, begin to do. Maybe it’s like Grace, beginning to move those fingers. Maybe it’s like Josh, beginning to run. This is your moment, Sid, for people to say, “Lord I receive your healing power.”
SID: You know, the presence of God is so awesome. But we didn’t talk yet about that man from Mexico that was blind for 50, did you hear that, 52 years. Tell me just briefly about it.
BILLY JOE: Well he was in that field where we were preaching, in just an open area. And when he came forward, it was one of those amazing moments. I don’t know if anyone ever laid hands on him, because we didn’t see it until the whole thing had happened. And then when you have something like that, of course, you’re going to get family to verify and testify, just like with Natonel with his blind situation, because you want to know, you know, what was taking place.
BILLY JOE: Well there were people there who had led him, and of course, had lived with him all those years. And he was simply in the crowd and heard the Word. So there’s various ways of healing. You can lay hands on people. You can agree in prayer. But one of the most powerful is you simply believe what Jesus has spoken.
SID: And the greatest healing is the healing of your soul, is intimacy with God. Will you live for things? You’re being given the same choice that Billy Joe Daugherty was given. Do you want to live for things or live for God? The only thing you’re going to take to Heaven is living for God. The only thing that is going to count is souls. He who wins souls is wise. Let’s start with you. Who are you living for? Who is your God? Who is your Lord? You must have intimacy with God. There’s a part of you that is pulling out, pulling out saying, God I want you. All you have to do with your mouth is say, I make Jesus my Lord. Start it. Start now.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here with Billy Joe Daugherty. And Billy Joe, once you were telling me about a prophetess you had in your congregation that started talking to you about the former Soviet Union.
BILLY JOE: 1980, Jeannie Wilkerson prophesied the door of Russia would open suddenly, and all across Russia there will be people who will sweep across and reap the End Time harvest. Millions of people will be saved. I was sitting on the platform and the Lord said, “You’re going to be one of those people. Well she whirled around and said, “And your pastor will be one of those.” And so I knew it. And she said, “The door will close as suddenly as it opens.” We prayed through the years. Eleven years passed. 1991, in March, the Lord said, “Print a million “This New Life” books, which is a follow-up book to help people after they get saved. Print them in Russian. And we didn’t know who or where, but Gilbert Lindsay had just bought a printing press, Russian-speaking printing, in Minsk, Russia. And we were able to print those million books. Didn’t know where we would distribute them or who would take them, or how they would get out. But shortly after that, Lester Summerall talked with us about going with him to St. Petersburg in August ’91. We were there. Rod Parsley, Ulf Ekman, and Dr. Summerall, and myself. And we all preached in the [unintelligible] a huge indoor stadium there in St. Petersburg. And that was the time that Gorbachev was taken into custody and the whole Russian empire collapsed, as where it had been the Soviet Union.
SID: You just happened to be there. You just happened to have a million books. They just happened to be in Russia.
BILLY JOE: That’s right.
SID: I mean, and it was prophesied that you were one of the men.
BILLY JOE: That’s right. That eleven years before that we would be there. It was God’s timing.
SID: What did you see with your eyes at that time? Here is a group of people that they’re 70-plus years are in atheism. There is no God. And you’re telling them about the living God that loves them. What did you say?
BILLY JOE: They were wide open. They were receptive to God. And yet at the time in August of ’91, there was terrific fear in their lives because they didn’t know what was happening. Every radio and television station went blank and they simply played classical music. So it was a very unusual time. And that’s when God said to us, “Go back because this door is now open.” We went back in November and over 25,000 people may recorded decisions for Christ. And the Lord said, “Go on.” Eighteen months in a row.
SID: Describe what it was like. Paint me a picture of what it was like when you were given invitation for someone to know the Messiah.
BILLY JOE: Well imagine being in something like the Astrodome or Superdome, a little smaller there in St. Petersburg, but they were sitting. And the moment we gave the altar call, they would come running. And the Lord told me, “Preach very simply. You’ve got to tell them who God is, when you’ve lived 70 years in a nation that says there is no God.” So they were ready. They were desperate. Everything that lady had prophesized came to be pass. It was like a giant harvesting combine. And one of the miracles was one of our friends had been there. He was playing the role of Jesus years before in a traveling drama team, and the number one rock star in the Soviet Union, Stas Namin, saw him in a restaurant and thought he was another rock star. Went to talk to him. They made contact and found out, you know, he was a Jesus person, which was two opposite worlds. But they became friends. When we went to Russia, my friend contacted Stas Namin, and Stas had a rock station, several, in St. Petersburg. So he said, “I’ll advertise for you.” And we had all the rockers there. I mean, it was packed with kids. And they were, you know, in awe of the Gospel being preached openly in their nation. This was the first time. And at that moment, there was nobody else there preaching.
SID: Now you were one of the pioneers to that. What type of miracles did you see?
BILLY JOE: Well I remember one of the situations that happened was a person who came with rheumatoid arthritis, all crippled up, and coming walking out of that chair and pushing that chair down through that aisle, and across that stage. I remember a little girl, Katia, we say Kathy, and never walked. But she was up, able to walk at that age. And the first time she walked, and the glory on her face as she could walk across that stage. I remember a lady who had a huge growth on her head. And her for some reason, she came back from miles away, month after month, and she would have me lay hands on her. The first time, that was huge. And then the next time it was smaller, and after two or three times it was gone. And it was amazing thing to us watching their simplicity of faith. They were just wide open to the Gospel.
SID: Well we’ve examined the footage. And Billy Joe, I didn’t know you had been an active participant in so many miracles all over the world. But even in the United States we’re seeing miracles. For instance, at your church, there was a woman, her name I believe was Grace, who had rheumatoid arthritis. Tell me about her.
BILLY JOE: You know, the most important thing, Sid, is there is no difference where we are. In whatever nation and whatever place, simple faith is the same type of thing.
SID: But this is so simple, your book on healing. It’s not a complex book.
BILLY JOE: Well healing is for everyone. And that’s what’s so exciting, is that any person, no matter how much knowledge, like you take it to Russia, and they didn’t have Bibles. They weren’t going to church. They didn’t know the things that so many people had heard in their background. But when they heard that Jesus loved them and he could heal them, they accepted. And it’s the same way here. This lady just simply accepted that, took hold of it, and healing in her body.
SID: Well let’s take a look at her right now.
GRACE: Okay. My name is Grace Esposito and I’m from New Jersey. I am here visiting. I am a criminal trial attorney in New Jersey. And my sister who is with my mother said, “Well come to my church.” The reason she wanted me to come to the church is because I have, had rheumatoid arthritis. I have to get use that. Because I was always so down. And my sister said, “Well Grace, you have to believe because the Lord can heal you.” And I’m saying, “Oh she’s so full of baloney, you know.” I just said, “She’s so crazy.” So, you know, I’m getting use to all this business because it’s only four months that I’ve been, you know, in the church, so to speak.
BILLY JOE: So you just accepted Christ four months ago.
GRACE: Four months ago, yes, yes. When they prayed for me, I felt like this electricity through my fingers. And look at my fingers, like I can move them. I can bend them. And then I said–
BILLY JOE: You couldn’t do that before?
GRACE: I couldn’t, I couldn’t. It would hurt me so bad. When I came in here I had such pain and my fingers were hurting so bad. And then I says, wait a minute, I gotta make sure that I’m healed ‘cause I’m not gonna make a fool out of myself. So I went to the ladies room, and then my ankle, it just feels great now. So I know that I’m healed. I don’t doubt any more. And I can move my fingers! Look! My fingers! I can move them! [cheers] I’m so happy! My fingers, look. I couldn’t bend them like that. I can bend my fingers and I can walk. My ankle is great now. So I’m sure now, and I’m so happy I’m healed!
BILLY JOE: Why don’t you run a little bit. Let’s just see what’s happened.