SID: I am fascinated by an experience Larry had a couple of years ago, where he had a vision that was life-changing. Tell me about it; where were you?
LARRY: I was at a revival service and the power of God just fell in that place. People were running toward the altar. The Holy Spirit had me run up there as well. I knew He wanted to deposit something into my heart that would change my life. I didn’t know what it was at the time, so I was up there and I felt His presence so strongly, Sid, and what happened was, the singer, Lydia Stanley Marrow, was up there. She was singing a prophetic song and over and over again she sang the words ‘open up the gates; open up the doors’, and as she sang that, the Lord gave me a vision of the mind. I saw this picture in my mind of, like, an old ancient, rusty castle gate and, you know, it was a gate that had bars and there were areas through these bars that stuff could go through, obviously, but it was very limited, but the gate was, like, shut. The gate was down, and as she sang this and as people cried out for God, that’s what was happening in this moment. People were crying out for God in hunger and desperation for Him to move, and I saw that that gate would actually rise up based on the intensity of the people’s cries for hunger and just desperation for God. So as she sang ‘open up the gates’ the gate would rise up and I’m like, God, what does this mean? What does this picture of the gate mean? And I felt like the Holy Spirit spoke to me and said, “Throughout history, Larry, I have been moving.” Throughout history there have been people, men and women, who have actually pressed into the supernatural. Some people think, you know, the outpouring of the Holy Spirit happened in the book of Acts and then maybe it happened years later on the day of, you know, the Azusa Street revival, but there’s actually a long history of people, men and women, throughout time who have pressed into God. One person I think of immediately is St. Francis of Assisi. He was a man who modeled Jesus. He knew Jesus’ life and ministry was accessible and he just modeled Jesus and saw amazing miracles, signs and wonders. So throughout history this has happened and there have been people who have pressed in for it, but I felt like the gate in our generation was just rising up with an increased speed. Why? Because I feel like, where we are now, there’s a company of people, not just one or two or three or four or a monastic community like back in the Middle Ages; there’s a whole community and company of people in this generation who are pressing in to experience the supernatural power of God and I just see that gate rising up, so I guess the principle the Holy Spirit showed me was, God’s sovereignty has nothing to do with the level of supernatural power that’s released into the earth, because so many people think, you know, God’s sovereign. If He wants to do this kind of stuff, if He wants to heal the sick, do supernatural miracles, He’ll do it. He’s always wanted to do it, Sid, since the day of Pentecost.
SID: As my wife’s grandmother used to always say, “God works in mysterious ways.” Well, not for His children!
SID: It’s mysterious for those that don’t know God, so that’s why these principles and this understanding, the intimacy and pressing in are so important. Tell me about Kathryn Kuhlman. I know you’ve studied everyone. She’s one of my favorite people.
LARRY: She’s one of my favorites as well, and here’s why. Kathryn Kuhlman, this woman who saw amazing miracles, unprecedented miracles, entire stadiums filled with people where the power of God would break out, she wouldn’t even need to touch them! Healing power would just fall on those people. And this woman, I remember hearing her speak to a student body at ORU and she opened up with this prayer and she said, “Lord, there’s no one hungrier for more than me, the one who’s speaking.” And I thought to myself, ‘Kathryn! You’ve seen all these amazing things! Things that so many people in my generation want to see God do, and yet, you’re saying you’re hungry for more!’ And I remember watching that and thinking to myself, she’s really a leader who’s setting the example because she sees so much of God’s activity because she remains in this place where she thinks to herself, there’s always more. There’s always more. I’m not arriving; I’m not gonna camp out at this one place in God; I’m not gonna just stay here and be content. There’s always more of His power and presence to see in my life.
SID: Okay. You told me before we sat down at the set that God spoke to you last night and told you to pray for people. Do that now.
LARRY: Yeah. Father, I pray right now that whoever is watching, that You would touch them like You touched me when I was 16 years old. God, touch them with Your reality, whether they know You, whether they’ve prayed for Jesus to be their Lord and Messiah, or whether they don’t know You, whether they’re saying, ‘God, if You’re real…’ In fact, I believe there are some people who are watching right now and you are literally thinking or saying to yourself, ‘God, if You’re real, I need You to touch me!’ And I believe right now in this moment as we pray, the Holy Spirit is gonna come invade your room and your life, and He’s gonna touch you in the same way He touched me and that experience and that encounter is gonna be a place for you to draw life from and faith from and strength from for the rest of your life, and it’s gonna keep you going from glory to glory, experiencing more of God than you could ever imagine possible, so Father, I pray right now that the Spirit of God would touch those people who are hungry and saying, ‘God, I know You. I know Jesus, but I want more. I want to see Your power and Your presence released in my life in a greater way than I’ve ever seen.’ Touch them, Lord. Release a fresh baptism of fire, Father, and for those who don’t know You, God, for those you are curious like I was at 16, curious about You but have never known Your reality, never felt You, never experienced You, they’re saying, ‘God, if You’re there’, Holy Spirit, I pray that You’d reveal Jesus the Messiah to them like never before. Touch them even now, God. Touch them, Father, in a spectacular way, in a subtle way, it doesn’t matter. It’s supernatural, no matter how He touches you, and that encounter will change everything. I believe He’s doing that even now in this moment in Jesus’ name.
SID: And I’ll tell you something else. Hunger, supernatural hunger is coming through the television and computer, your cell phone, right now, and that hunger will not stop until you have experiential knowledge with the Living God. I tell you, I’ve had experiential knowledge, and whatever He’s done for me, whatever He’s done for Larry He’s about ready to do for you. Breakthrough Faith now!
Sid: My guest is Steven Books that’s red hot for the Messiah. Steve and his wife Kelley were guest teachers on one of our trips to Israel. There are a couple of things that I remember about that trip to Israel Steven. One, there were amazing aromas in the atmosphere near where you were praying for people, do you remember that?
Steven: Yes, the Holy Spirit loves to bring forth the fragrances of the Lord Jesus in the meetings. And when that anointing starts flowing we really get over into the glory realm.
Sid: And what are the different aromas, roses, what else have you seen?
Steven: Well the first and foremost fragrance that comes forth is roses but there’s all types of fragrances that would be considered like high end perfumes like you would think that you went into a high end perfume store in Paris. The Holy Spirit begins to release these.
Sid: Why does the Holy Spirit do that?
Steven: It is a manifestation of God’s love for His people so when God’s people begin to smell these fragrances it is a token sign from God that I love you and it is an expression of His love that is actually tangibly perceived through our sense of smell.
Sid: And of course people were healed, tell me about the person that was healed from MS.
Steven: Well she had Multiple Sclerosis for 20 years in severe pain every day and this was while we were there in Israel of course and I laid hands on her and prayed for her and she was instantly healed. Now this has been 4 years now she contacted my ministry 2 weeks ago just to say hello. She said that she’s still completely healed, no pain in her body it totally left her that day when I prayed for her in that meeting.
Sid: You know when I see you operate and I know what you teach it’s hard for me to believe that you had to unlearn some bad teaching from being a brand new believer. But you know what most people have to unlearn some bad teaching.
Steven: That’s true isn’t it Sid we have to renew our minds. When it talks about in Roman’s 12 verse 2 about renewing our minds that word renew actually means to renovate. So you can take an old house and renovate it and make it brand new, that’s what I had to do with my thinking because I had years and years of teaching and thinking that there’s no more miracles today. The supernatural has ceased.
Sid: Steven did it ever cross your mind the devil’s supernatural, look at all the sickness ad disease, that hasn’t stopped; so why would God’s supernatural stop?
Sid: It doesn’t even make logical sense.
Steven: No it doesn’t and I’m sure that the devil just loved our teaching because we also because our ruling out the supernatural just ruled him out as well. And he likes it when we act like he’s not there, we need to be aware of his activities. Now our focus is on the Lord but the supernatural is certainly all around us and we need to be aware of that.
Sid: How did you get your breakthrough I mean I’m always reminded of playing tennis. They always say “Get some lessons rather than just figure it out yourself because you’ll figure it out wrong and you might as well do it right the first time because it’s twice as hard. How did you get your breakthrough from being taught and the theological term is sensationalist? In other words the miracles have ceased, how did you make the change?
Steven: Well that old saying that it’s better caught than taught I started seeing it; I started seeing miracles in meetings. I started seeing people healed and so I had to question my former theology. And not only that the Holy Spirit began to touch me and it wasn’t just like I was watching others but the Lord began to touch me. And I began to have unusual encounters with the Lord and I got filled with the Spirit and my life began to change. And so the power of God for the first time became a reality in my life.
Sid: Wait, was there a point where you thought “Well maybe this is the devil because of all of the training you had.” I have to tell you myself because I got saved at 30 and I was involved in the New Age before I became a believer.
Sid: And the first thing I saw of the supernatural “Oh, that’s what they did in the New Age.” Well the devil had me coming and going. What happened was the New Age was the counterfeit of the authentic, when I saw the authentic I said “Oh, it looked like the New Age.”
Steven: That’s right.
Sid: I mean the devil had a field day with me I’m just curious with you.
Steven: Well I just when I saw it I was just running for it just wide open so to speak and I had to trust the Lord that I wasn’t going to get how can I say burned. But I felt such joy and when it’s the Lord there’s a holiness, there’s a peace, there is a purity and it just removed any doubts and it removed any misgivings and I knew that this the Lord, this is too pure, this is glorifying the Lord. And so the deeper I went with the Lord the greater Jesus was exalted before my eyes I knew this is all of God.
Sid: What was the first miracle that either you received yourself or you prayed for someone that was very notable?
Steven: One of the first miracles that really touched me was a personal miracle. I had torn a bicep muscle in my arm and I also tore a chest muscle doing weight training exercises and at once the Lord healed both muscles. I felt a divine warmth come over my body and also that presence of God that was so engulfing with love and peace and then it stayed on me for about 2 minutes and then it lifted. And when it lifted I knew I was healed that those 2 muscles were either reattached or something miraculous had happened. Because even on my chest muscle when I was working out I heard and felt it snap it felt like a rubber band snapping. And I thought “Oh Lord, I’ve torn my pictorial muscle.” But I went out after that tremendous visitation of God’s healing power and I went out and did a full work out. No pain, no trouble, no stiffness just as if they had never been torn in the first place.
Sid: You know one of the things I’ve noticed Steven is that when someone has a victory in an area, someone had cancer and they were healed of cancer. They have extraordinary faith for anyone with cancer.
Sid: And as you were sharing what God did for you the presence of God got so strong that I believe that you could pray right now for people suffering from torn muscles and pain and they’d be healed.
Steven: I believe that God will do it right now. There’s somebody with a knee, your knee has been damaged and as we would say in sports “You’ve blown your knee out.” The Lord’s going to heal that knee, if this is you and you have a torn muscle you’ve damaged yourself whether on a job accident or sports injury. Put your hand on that body part right now. “Lord Jesus I release Your healing power now into that body part, be healed in the name of Jesus.” Now receive that healing power, receive that healing power and begin to move your body around you’ll begin to see that that pain is leaving that the miracle is unfolding right now.
Sid: I have to tell you Steven when my producer first told me about your new book “How to Operate in the Gifts of the Spirit” and your 3 CD set, “Experiencing Miracles in Your Everyday Life.” My first thought was does the world need another book on gifts of the Spirit?” And so I questioned her. What she said to me is “This is the first one we’ve seen that is really a how to not just theory.” You teach from the scriptures, you pray, you talk about how God uses you in these areas. And it’s not just a how to book, but it’s so simple.
Sid: How could all the gifts, the 9 gifts of the Spirit be so simple?
Steven: Well I wanted to demystify the gifts. Sometimes we view the gifts as only operating through super-ministers might have an international type ministry and we might think “Well I could never experience something like that.” But the gifts are for the believers and it’s potentially available for a believer to experience all 9 gifts operating in their life. But we have to understand what they are so I made the teaching just as simple as possible. The teaching is thorough, the teaching has depth, but at the same time it’s practical where even a teenager or a child reads the book they’re going to be moving in the gifts of the Spirit.
Sid: Now I know you operate in all 9 gifts and you know it’s one thing for someone to teach theory but it’s much better for someone to teach that something that they have actually walked through but what are your strongest gifts Steven.
Steven: The strongest gifts are the ones that pertain to my primary calling along with preaching and teaching the word I need the gifts of the Spirit to confirm the word. So for me it is the gift of special faith and gifts of healings followed by the working of miracles. So I put a tremendous reliance on what would classify as the power gifts because I need them in almost every meeting. Because if I’m going to pray for the sick I need these gifts to be in manifestation; if they’re not in manifestation I’ll still pray for people but I’m just praying now by faith. But when those gifts come now I’m not just praying by faith it’s faith coupled with the anointing in a divine empowerment that goes beyond anything Steven Brooks has.
Sid: Tell me one miracle that because of the operation of the supernatural gift of faith.
Steven: We’ve had many miracles Sid take place in the ministry over the years. While we were in Israel in 2009 for instance there was a young man 14 years old that had flat feet, flat as a pancake. He took his shoes off, took and looked at his feet, I had already prayed for about 200 people. He was the last person I prayed for and most of the crowd had dispersed. And I told the remaining people, about 20 people. I said “If you want to see a genuine bonafide miracle with your own eyes come watch the Lord is going to create arches in this young man’s feet.”
Sid: How did you know that?
Steven: Special faith, super faith came on me and I just…
Sid: Now when super faith comes on you is it a knowing, is it a feeling, what is it?
Steven: It’s a feeling that makes you bold, so bold that you would do something… you would step out and do something you wouldn’t normally do.
Sid: Like walk on water. (Laughing)
Steven: Absolutely, you wouldn’t normally do that because you know that you’re going to sink. But that gift of faith comes on you you’ll step out and step into something that is beyond your own ability to do. So that faith came to pray for him to receive a miracle and I knew that he was going to get it and I asked people to watch. And I said “When I pray don’t close your eyes, keep your eyes open watch his feet. And I held his feet in my hands as he sat down, I held his feet in my hands and I began to pray for the left foot and before I could even get the prayer out “In the Name of Jesus” ooh arches appeared. A perfectly formed arch appeared, and then the other foot a perfectly formed arch appeared.
Sid: You know Steven that sure beats orthotics! (laughing) That’s the best the world can do.
SID: Welcome, welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My next guest had incurable “schizophrenia.” He was touched by the power of God, set free and then became an administrator in the institution he was hospitalized in, 50 employees under him. Now I asked my personal doctor, Dr. Dietry [sp], last night a question on the phone. “He went off all medicine, all medication, Doctor. To your knowledge, what happens to a schizophrenic that takes no medicine?”
DOCTOR: That’s a good question. It’s an unbelievable phenomenon, schizophrenia. When you come off medication, provided the medication was helping in the first place, you get an extra [unintelligible] a spike of hallucinations, ideations and delusions. It’s not a very pretty sight.
SID: Have you ever heard of someone that’s diagnosed with schizophrenia? Oh, I forgot one more thing. In a few years, he was supposed to be catatonic. That was the diagnosis. A thousand pages of diagnosis, Doctor. Have you ever heard of such a thing?
DOCTOR: Personally, I have never seen anybody come off of medication and be normal.
SID: Well but I have to tell you, Doctor, he is not normal according to the world. He is normal according to the Word of God. So Nick Griemsmann was raised in a secular home. His father left at age, when he was age eight. He got addicted to pornography at 10. At 21, he was a full-blown alcoholic and he was a bartender. But at age 23, you know, we take a lot of things for granted, at age 23, he’s an alcoholic, he’s a drug addict, he’s a mess. I’m just saying it, Nick. And he gets a little tract about the Messiah, and he calls the person on the phone, because there was a phone number on this tract. And what happened?
NICK: The woman on the phone, she was really nice, and she asked me a question, she said something about, “Are you, have you received Jesus?” And I asked her, “What does that actually mean because so many people tell me different things about Christianity and I was studying different religions like Islam and Judaism, different sects in Christianity, and things like that. And so, “What does it really mean to receive Jesus?” And she said, “It’s easy. The Bible says you can confess Jesus as Lord and he will come into your life.” And so I said this simple prayer and he came into my heart, and totally changed me.
SID: What happened to your drug addiction, your alcoholism?
NICK: When I said this prayer, it was so incredible. I still remember it like it was yesterday. I was on the phone with her and I prayed this simple prayer of faith. I had just faith in God at the time. I said the name of Jesus. And the moment I said the name of Jesus this liquid love came upon me, and for the first time, I knew I was completely free from all my sin, alcoholism, drugs. I had a sexuality immorality I was into, you know the lifestyle of a bartender, and God completely set me free from that.
SID: You know, only God could do something like that. But then right behind the devil came up to him when that seed was planted, immediately, he came up to him because Nick now wants to live for God. And he goes on the Internet and he finds out there’s a place where the guy says he’s one of the End Time prophets and they’ll give him food, they’ll give him shelter, they’ll train him. It sounded pretty good.
NICK: Absolutely. I was trying to find a good church and I found this online. And I thought, wow, I can leave all my old friends and leave my family, and all the troubles I used to have, and I can serve Jesus with my whole heart, because I really loved God.
SID: But it turned out to be a cult. The first crack that you saw in this cult was two of the senior members having a disagreement.
NICK: Yeah. One thing that the cult would preach, that they were sinless. They would say that they never sin or anything like that. And I was there and the men, one night they started arguing over something and they were like almost like throwing blows at each other and swearing. And I thought, they’re preaching that they’re sinless, but it doesn’t look like they are sinless. And my heart started going, well maybe this really, maybe what they’re telling me isn’t all the truth.
SID: But you were so scared because they had this, was it a cassette, that you would have to listen to? And what was the warning it gave you?
NICK: In the cassettes, the prophet, the false prophet, he would say that if we left the church, because they said that they are the one true church, if we left the church it meant that we lost our salvation, blaspheming the Holy Spirit. So as you know, if you’re a young person in God and you don’t really know anything, I believed it and I was very afraid that if I left or talked to my family, they said my family was of the devil, I couldn’t talk to them. And they said that I would go to Hell if I did anything wrong or if I left the church, or said anything about the person in charge there.
SID: But he had such a heart for God. He was crying out and crying out. And one day, he takes off. He ends up in the Nashville Airport. What happened, Nick?
NICK: Well I entered the Nashville Airport and at this time, I started hearing voices in my mind. Before I left the cult, I actually started getting voices in my mind and I thought they were angels, and I thought God was speaking directly to my mind. And so I would listen to these voices. And I was, they would say things and they’d say bad things. And when I was in the Nashville Airport I was going to go to a phone to call my family to pick me up. And the voices came to me and said, “You need to go and you need to make a scene and yell, and scream, and praise God in the middle of the baggage claim area in Nashville Airport.” But I really loved God and I thought God—
SID: So you were willing to do anything for God. I wish, even though it was the wrong voice, I wish more Christians would be willing to do whatever God said. So they picked him up obviously. He’s diagnosed schizophrenic. He’s told in a few years he’ll be in a catatonic state. He goes home to be with his family and his mother insists he go to a little Assembly of God Church— and we’ll be right back.
Sid: My guest David Herzog is red hot for the Messiah. I mean this is a man that God has taught step by step how to move in the glory of God. And when the tangible glory of God shows up everything speeds up in reference to the promises of God’s word. And so I was kind of surprised when he came out with a book; I mean in such a comprehensive book. One book that has every area of health covered. It’s called “Jump Start Your Way to Healthy Living.” David for those that perhaps tuning in for the first time, why does someone that understands the miraculous… you see people bald get their hair back instantly in the glory; you see people lose weight. I know I went to one of your meetings right before me I saw people that lost weight right before me. I saw a woman’s hair change from white to brown; I mean why are you fooling around with nutrition?
David: (Laughing) Because I see a lot of people that get healed in meetings but then they don’t keep their healing because they go back to their normal lifestyle. So the Lord really led me to say you know you need to tell people not just how to get healed but how to stay healthy. Otherwise they’re going to keep coming; I’ll never be out of a job but I’d rather be out of a job and people don’t come for healing anymore because they stay healed. That’d be the best.
Sid: And that’s a problem; let me add this is a personal question but maybe someone else is thinking this question. I don’t get out in the sun much unlike you I know you love being outside and I saw the mountain you like to climb in Sedona, Arizona. But so I don’t get out much; one reason I don’t get out much is I don’t want to deal with skin cancer, and the other is that I take vitamin D capsule. What would you suggest for someone like myself?
David: Yeah, you don’t want to overdo the sun but if you do like 20 minutes a day, 20 minutes a day on as much of your body as possible that’s the best form of vitamin D your body naturally can deal with that. Most of the civilizations around the world for the last 6,000 years sunlight… people out in the sun. Now for the last 100 years modern age people are not in the sun and it’s affecting them in many ways. It’s good to take a supplement though if you’re not in the sun and that’s find but if you can get out even 20 minutes a day I think you’ll notice even greater metabolism acceleration; it’s greater for your skin. Now if you eat healthy and you start cleaning out your diet then I noticed too there is a lot less cases of skin cancer. What happens is that people don’t eat healthy; oils in your skin get locked and then they create cancer. So a lot of people that have healthier diets like in these 3rd world countries they’re out in the sun all day and you hardly hear of any skin cancers.
Sid: Another subject he deals with even your appearance based on things that God’s put on this earth. Also you talk about age reversal; now I know everyone listening wants to know about that. Personally I believe as I stand in the glory every day I’m getting age reversal but you know what it’s just as supernatural knowing that the foods that God has put in this earth to accomplish that; tell me about it.
David: Oh yeah, for age reversal it’s really amazing because in the Bible you see people that lived 120 or 500 years. And even at their death they were still strong and healthy it was their time to go. Age reversal there’s like different hormones in your body that deal with age reversal. Like some people get Alzheimer’s the brain stops functioning and that’s it acetylcholine, it’s one of the hormones that when you start losing that your brain starts to dry up. So there’s natural things you can do to speed that up, your acetylcholine levels, so that you don’t get Alzheimer’s, you don’t get dementia so there’s different… now you said about skin too. Like different foods that you can eat to make you look a lot younger; cucumbers, celery, are one of the healthiest things for your skin. It actually goes and cleans the cells inside your skin. So you kind of asked me 2 questions so age reversal and then looking younger and healthier. There is also like serotonin levels in your body, that’s what helps you get more sleep. When you lose serotonin in your body, that’s the thing that makes you sleep deep and long you start aging faster.
Sid: So what kind of food has serotonin in it?
David: Black pepper, cayenne pepper helps with it, thyme, and turmeric, basil, peppermint, nutmeg and sage. I have a whole list in my book of these things that actually helps to reduce it. Like for instance, sage helps you with serotonin levels and reduced fear, paranoia, and delusions, it’s been known to do that by doctors.
Sid: What about you talk about tea as an important drink.
David: Yeah for calming yourself chamomile tea is one of the best. Chamomile has a calming kind of property to it that a lot of people realize they take…that’s why an hour before you sleep at night I take a chamomile tea and it calms you; it a calming tea it’s wonderful.
Sid: And what about green tea, what’s green tea do for you?
David: Oh, green tea yeah that’s something that give you… it’s a little bit of a stimulant not like coffee but it helps you lose weight, it age reverses your body. It has amazing properties that go inside your body. Like the Japanese are really big on green tea a lot of the Asian countries; Asians look pretty young, they age a lot better than the western world and they happen to drink a lot of green tea.
Sid: Now you talk about people that live long and the people that live the longest live in Okinawa, Japan. What are they doing? What has been their diet that’s making them live so long?
David: Yeah, Okinawa first of all they don’t eat like the rest of the Japanese; they eat way less white rice. White pasta, white rice all of that carbs isn’t good for your body it slows down your anti-aging. They’re also outdoors a lot more; there are people over 100 years old still going to the store, exercising, swimming. They also have a lot of coral calcium in their diet. So there’s a combination of stress-free healthier living, eating healthier foods and not eating so much carbs and rice. So that combination is causing them to live longer and be productive. They’re actually not only living to 120 they’re actually productive at that age too.
Sid: Now what about something we hear talked about a lot. When I was younger we didn’t even know the word, and that is gluten.
David: Oh yeah, gluten…a lot of people are I think my daughter is that way as well, she can’t have gluten she has a reaction to it. Because the modern food that we eat today is so tainted it’s not the original food God created, the glutens, the wheats all those things start causing huge problems in people’s bodies. And so the food chain especially in America is getting worse and worse so that people can’t even digest gluten. So it’s very, very important to get stuff and food that’s not full of glutens. Go back to a raw natural healthy eating lifestyle and a lot of sicknesses will be healed. I think you mentioned to me that you saw a show the other night about gluten and the different…
Sid: Oh they’re proving that there’s a connection between eating a lot of gluten and Alzheimer’s now.
David: Oh I totally believe it. It blocks up your system, anything that blocks up your system doesn’t come out quickly stays in there and causes a lot of trouble.
Sid: David in your book you speak a lot about thinking and thoughts. How does it affect your life?
David: Oh, big time you know thoughts can actually shift things in your body. If you start to think about someone that hurt you or someone that you’re angry about even though you might have forgiven them but you start to think about it or mediate on it.
Sid: Well, I kind of question that you’ve really forgiven them if you keep thinking about it. But go ahead.
David: Exactly, what happens the toxins in your body actually goes into a toxic state just by thinking about someone that rejected you or hurt you or just rehashing it recreates as if it’s happening in your emotions immediately starts to feel it. And your body actually starts to shut down, toxins and poisons go in your bloodstream. And that’s why the Bible says you know before you sleep at night don’t keep your anger because it actually affects your body and you start to get sick. Your immune system shuts down and it’s really bad. Let’s say the boss says “I want to talk to you in my office please after work.” Ah, you start thinking the worse, you start panicking you get stress, you’re exhausted, you’re worried and then you find out that you were getting a raise. But because you feared the worst your body went into a mode of fear, panic, and toxins go into your body.
Sid: So you’re saying as you say in your book “As a man thinks in his heart, so is he.”
David: Exactly, you know that scientists have discovered that when you think about something on a high enough level you can actually create the subatomic particle of that which you are thinking about.
Sid: That’s pretty way out there. (Laughing) But actually I have a quote from you on that from your book. And what you said is “As we start to see the future in reality we’re actually tapping into the future at the moment that we start seeing it.” What do you mean by that?
David: Yeah, well the Bible says “The substance of things hoped for.” So you start us out thinking about something that you are hoping for that God; you know that it’s from God and you have faith you actually start thinking about it you actually have a substance of that future. For instance we had a meeting at Topeka, Kansas and I said “Someone here hair is turning black.” And a man in his 70’s came up and the front of his hair had turned from while to black; the back was still white. Now I told the 700 people I said “Now stare at the back of his head but I want you to see it by faith that the back now was also turned black.” So we didn’t pray, we didn’t declare we all stared at the back of his head 700 people and put him on the stage in front of everybody his hair turned black. So as a man thinks; so is he. Jesus says “He’ll do above what you can ask for or think.” So if you can ask Lord “Thank you for healing this person in Jesus Name.” And they get healed you can actually think it also and God can answer your thoughts as a prayer.
Sid: Even it works in reverse as you were explaining; if you think about negative things when you’re trying to go to sleep.
David: Yeah, it actually drain your body because you’re thinking about it and your emotions get connected and your body gets connected to that negative. And it’s like a downward spiral, you get drained, and pretty soon you’re foggy, you’re low. It affects your emotions, your body your hormones everything gets affected just by thinking about something sad, or angry or rejection thought your whole body starts to feel it it’s really, really bad.
Sid: That’s why I love the special we have for the refrigerator; it’s part of the “Power and the Glory Package.” And the magnet has points that you’ve come up with on living stress-free in the glory as just reminders every day.