SID: Hello. I’m Sid Roth. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My next Kynan had a visitation from the Lord for three months, and he was downloaded revelation from the Word of God, so that all of the promises of God will be activated in your life, and it’s wonderful. Superstars have it activated. But my Bible says we only have one superstar and his name is Jesus. And I’m telling you, he is so charged and filled with new revelation that you will never, ever be the same. Hello. You know, Kynan, you provoke me to jealousy, and that’s what you gentile believers in Jesus are supposed to do to us Jewish believers in Jesus. But at 15, the spirit of God opened your eyes and you began seeing things. Was it a little scary at first?
KYNAN: It was, Sid, at first, because without a mentor there to really mentor you in the supernatural you have to kind of fend for yourself in a way. And what God began to do with me, is He began to unload or download rather discernment, a spirit of discernment of spirits, and I began to see people and meet people, after I got filled with the Holy Spirit, that had spirits of depression, spirits of rejection.
SID: You knew that? How did you know it? Did sense it? Did you hear it? Did you see it?
KYNAN: Both actually. It’s kind of an interesting thing because in the spirit realm we don’t see with the natural eyes. We see with our spiritual eyes. And so I was able to see, sometimes it would be like weights on people or you would see a cloud, like a dark cloud over somebody or something like that, and I would instantly know that they were dealing with rejection, for example, or a spirit of depression. And so God began to do that for me at a very early age.
SID: Now in 1996, you had a vision that’s about ready to take place now. Tell me about it.
KYNAN: In ’96, I had a vision from the Lord. God began to speak to me. Again, I was a young believer, both in my walk with Christ and also my walk with Jesus, and also in my age, actually. And God began to speak to me about the coming age of the church that God is raising up a generation of people that are going to walk in a reverential fear of God, they’re going to walk in an authority, a kingdom authority, and they’re going to begin to speak things in the atmosphere, and they’re going to materialize. There’s going to be young people that are going to be teenagers that are going to be college students that are going to flow in the supernatural and purity, Sid.
SID: Now what we’re seeing, unfortunately, right now, is the opposite of what you’re saying. But yet because of what you saw you know it’s here.
SID: It’s like this close to being here.
KYNAN: Absolutely. It’s here. It’s just a matter of time really. But I’ll say this. It starts with the Word of God. Jesus said something very profound in the Gospel of John. He actually provoked the Pharisees, because he said that, “Your Father is a man in the wilderness and they’re dead.” He said, “But my words are spirit and life.” In other words, he literally, in the Greek, that’s the word “zoe”, it means the same life that’s inside of God. The Word of God has the power to release the very life that’s inside of God. When we speak the Word we’re not just speaking something with an audible voice, but we are literally, Sid, speaking for spirit and life. And the more people do that, the more the Word, the spirit of the Word will transform their lives.
SID: You know, Kynan, when I hear you speak I want to run and grab my Bible. You’re making me so hungry for the Word of God.
SID: In 1997, you heard the audible voice of God.
KYNAN: I did. This is another situation. My father was, he loved to fish, and we were coming from a trip in Pensacola. And I was looking out the window. I daydreamed a lot. Don’t tell anybody, but I used to do that.
SID: I won’t. It’s our secret.
KYNAN: But I used to daydream. And I was looking out the window and I saw the clouds open, and I heard an audible voice of God that said, “I want you to preach my Word.” And it just resonated in my spirit, Sid. That was the first time I heard the call to ministry.
SID: Okay. But then in 2008, you had visions that lasted for three months with a major call of what to do in ministry. Tell me about that.
KYNAN: Well actually, my wife was, she was newly pregnant at the time. Actually, we lived in a little apartment that didn’t have a lot of windows or anything, so there wasn’t really a lot of light at nighttime. It was very dark in our bedroom. Well God began to wake me up at three a.m. in the morning and I would see a door open, a door of light. And I would hear the Holy Spirit say to me, “Behold, I set before you an open door. I set before you an open door.” And I really didn’t know what it meant at the time. But then God began to show me, what He was taking about was the Book of Revelation, Chapter 3, Verse 8, where Jesus declares to the church, “Behold, I set before you an open door.” But he said something very key, Sid. He said, “You have kept my word and not denied my name.” And so what God began to unfold to me is that the door that He’s talking about is really the door of revelation that comes to the church, when we keep His Word and we don’t deny His name, which is really a door of authority, because the name of Jesus is the authority of Jesus. As we keep the Word of God and we stay in the authority of His name, a door of the supernatural is open to the church.
SID: Now you are so strong in your conviction and your belief. How did you get so strong, seriously?
KYNAN: Well you know, Sid, it’s a matter of choice. I believe every believer that has come to this place, you’re going to decide which side that you’re on. You’re going either be on God’s side or you’re going to be on the world’s system, and the world’s system has proven to us, Sid, that it does not work. The healthcare system has failed. We can’t trust the government. We can’t trust the systems of this world to provide for us. We can only trust the Word of God, Sid. And I made a decision, me and my whole house, that we will serve the Lord. We’re not going to move from that.
SID: Do you want to make that decision? I want you to teach a little bit and it will be easy to make that decision. Don’t go away.
SID: Hello. Welcome to my world where it’s natural supernatural. My guest is the first woman in 1400 years to go into a mosque, proclaim Jesus and see miracles. How did she get such favor? I want to know. Do you want to know? I want to know. And we’re going to find out because anything she can do, you can do better. And I’m going to tell you something else. You are going to build on her shoulders as you learn these mysteries. Hello. Sid Roth here with Marilyn Hickey And I have to tell you, an 81-year-old woman flies to Pakistan, has a couple-hundred thousand, mostly Muslims hear her proclaim Jesus, seeing miracles. How do you it at 81, Marilyn Hickey?
MARILYN: Well let me tell you how and how everyone can do it.
SID: That’s even better.
MARILYN: Yes. Faith in Jesus is the big key. Now people look at their age. God is not looking at your age. People look at their color. God is not interested in your color. People look at their gender. God is not interested in your gender. What He responds to is your faith in Jesus. So every Christian can do all things.
SID: And you know what? She almost missed what she’s doing today, except she met a young man who started insisting that she move into areas of the spirit, and he started praying and fasting for her. Tell me about that.
MARILYN: Well we were engaged. And my fiancé said, “I’m not going to married a woman who’s half-hearted for God.” He said I served the devil with all my heart. And I was so insulted. I said, “Well I’m saved.” He said, “But you’re not committed, and I’m not going to marry you unless you have a commitment to the power of the Holy Spirit.” So he said, “I’m on a three-day fast.” I was so insulted. I was a school teacher, didn’t sleep at night.
SID: And you were a nice Christian.
MARILYN: I was a nice Christian, but not too committed. And so he fasted and God dealt with me each night, because He had been dealing with me for a deeper walk for four years. And so the third night, the Lord said to me, “I’m not going to deal with you about this ever again.” He said, “I’m going to show if you turn down the power of the Holy Spirit at this time,” He said, “you’re going to move to California. You’re going to get your Master’s degree. You’re going to marry a Christian, have a happy.” He said, “But I have something so wonderful for you, you cannot imagine.” God’s destiny for every one of you.
SID: And by the way, it’s not just a nice story. God is speaking to you right now. So Marilyn did something that I wish I could have done. One of the greatest miracle ministries I ever read about, short of in the Bible, but on the same level, was a man by the name of Branom. And Marilyn had a problem. The doctors said she couldn’t have a child. So she goes to this meeting. How many people were at Branom’s meeting?
MARILYN: Probably there were about 5000. It was in Dallas, Texas.
SID: And what happened?
MARILYN: Well I was 26. I had been married three years. They said that I could never have a child. I had an inherited condition. And he called me out of the audience. Well here I am on a platform facing this man and have the most unusual experience. I don’t know how to describe it. But it was a like a wheel within a wheel, lower on the ground, and I could see it, and as it turned it went woosh-woosh. I could hear it. And this may is saying to me, “You’re not from here. You’re from Denver, Colorado. You’re from a wooded area and you can’t have a baby.” Now I’m thinking, if I—
SID: He had never met you.
MARILYN: Never, ever.
SID: And he just pulls you right out of an audience.
SID: He could have been, how could he have known all those things?
MARILYN: It was the spirit of God. He said, “You can’t have a baby.” But he said, “Go home and receive your child.” And the reason I’m telling you a wheel within a wheel, it came into my feet. And it wasn’t until 10 years later I got pregnant. And I went to a doctor. I said, “I think I’m pregnant.” He examined me. He said, “No, you’re not pregnant. That’s impossible.” He said, “You’re not pregnant. You’re going through a change.” So I went home and went through some more changes. And I went to another doctor. He said, “This is a 5-1/2 month pregnancy.” And of course, you can see Sarah on my program.
SID: But they key, 10 years from that work, you see it’s like the game of baseball. You don’t have three strikes and you’re out. You are only out if you quit swinging. You got it?
MARILYN: That’s right.
SID: Okay, Marilyn, very quickly, people have had influences on your life. Kenneth Hagen taught the authority, the believer. Bill Gothard, what influence did he have on your life?
MARILYN: Kenneth Hagen, of course got me into the Word, and just soaked in the Word with faith and authority, taking authority against the enemy, walking the power of the Word. But Bill Gothard got me into meditating on the Word. So Joshua 1:8, for probably, what, almost 42 years, has been the theme of my life. It says, “If you meditate in the Word day and night, if you speak the Word day and night, if you do the Word day and night you will make your own way prosperous and successful.”
SID: Now happened to Bill Gothard when he meditated?
MARILYN: Well he was retarded, actually, and a Sunday school teacher.
SID: I didn’t know that.
MARILYN: Yeah, he was retarded. They just pushed him from grade to grade. And in fourth grade, a Sunday school teacher began to have this boy’s class memorize the Word, and he continued to do that, graduated valedictorian. And then he graduated from the University and so on.
SID: Wait until you find out all the things that God has taught this woman, and remember what I said. Anything Marilyn can do, you can do better. Be right back.
I’m speaking this week about how we lost the original… it says in the Book of Hebrews the first chapter of the seventh verse “He makes His ministers a flame of fire.” Those Jewish believers were flames of fire and those flames were pretty good because every Gentile that believes in Jesus owes a debt of gratitude to a Jewish person who was faithful with the scriptures. And that’s why the Gentile in Romans 11:11 “Salvation has come to the Gentile to provoke the Jew to jealousy.” The call on the Gentile is to reach the Jew, the call on the Jew is to reach the Gentile. You put those 2 spiritual DNA’s together you got the full package. It’s so simple you need help to get confused. Well I’m pretty upset because the church today is so far removed from what God wants it to be. I know I know some of the reasons. So on yesterday’s broadcast I was talking about a revelation God gave me recently from First John chapter 5 verse 8 “There are 3 that bear witness on earth, the Spirit, the water,” which represents the Word of God “and the blood” which is the blood of Messiah, “and these 3 agree as one.” When you have these 3 you have the whole package. So let’s break them down for a minute. First we have the Spirit, the Holy Spirit. Now where does the Holy Spirit belong, well you can’t come to know Jesus unless the Holy Spirit has led you to Jesus. Every born-again believer has the Holy Spirit in them. John 14:17 says “The Helper,” or “the Spirit of Truth,” or “the Holy Spirit dwells with you and will be in you.” So the first, the Spirit of God must be IN you. Second is the Word of God, the way we get the Word of God into us is the way Joshua did was told if he would “Meditate on God’s Word day and night he would be like a tree whose roots go down into the river, into the water and no weapon formed against will prosper.” It’s going to be so strong nothing can cause it to fall. Then the blood, whose blood? The blood of Yeshua it’s called “precious blood” This precious blood spells satan’s defeat. It spells victory over sin, victory over death, victory over sickness, victory over defeat in any arena of life. What God is showing, and you’ll learn more about it in future weeks, is the early believers broke bread from house to house. That breaking bread when you first read it you think “Oh they had a meal,” and they probably did, but I believe it’s having communion. There is such power in communion and I’ll be speaking about more in future weeks, but let’s take these 3 ingredients. First the Holy Spirit, well I said every born-again believer has the Holy Spirit in them, but they haven’t had the mikvah or the baptism of the Holy Spirit. You know what’s kind of interesting in Judaism the baptism, where it’s called mikvah where we get Christian baptism from, is a self-immersion. There’s something that we do and that’s why I believe Ephesians 5:18 says in the Greek “Be being, or keep on being filled with the Holy Spirit.” There’s a part we play in this, and the way you build up your Spirit is to have it immersed, or be baptized. You see these 3 things the Spirit of God, the water or the Word of God, and the blood it’s a matter of immersion. If you are immersed in the Spirit of God, if you are immersed in the Word of God, if you are immersed in the blood of Yeshua, then you’re a flame of fire and just like the early believers. You can do the same things they’ve done and Yeshua said “You can do the same things He has done and even greater.” The word baptism in the Greek it comes from a process where people would take cloth, linen cloth, and dip it in purple dye until every drop of the cloth is saturated with purple. You can’t see the original color of the cloth, all you see is total purple. That’s what God wants with the Holy Spirit, that’s called the baptism in the Holy Spirit. A lot of people they misunderstand, in fact today the Pentecostal and charismatic churches they don’t even emphasize speaking in tongues anymore. Why is so important to speak in tongues because the book of Corinthians tells us when you speak in tongues you edify yourself, you edify your spirit. You build your spirit up so it saturates throughout your whole body. You see why the devil wants confusion over speaking in tongues? There’s some churches that say “Yes we believe in it, but we don’t want it done publicly, or we don’t even want it done in our church because it so divisive.” Well who wins there? You think God wins when you’re not a flame of fire? When you’re not built up in the Holy Spirit? So we’re going to be talking about the baptism or the immersion in the Holy Spirit. Acts 1:8 Jesus said “But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you shall be witnesses.” What kind of power? The Greek word is “dunamos,” “dynamite power.” Do you have dynamite power? When that Holy Spirit comes upon you and is inside of you, and you are just like that white linen cloth that is totally saturated with purple you can’t even tell that cloth was white. It’s something brand new, it’s something different. Every fiber of your being is to be saturated with power. That’s what Jesus said “You shall receive power” dynamite power, dunamos, dynamite; you receive a stick of dynamite it’s time to let it explode and saturate from the inside out your entire body. When the Holy Spirit of God saturates you you will have the power for what purpose? The purpose is to witness, and today is Pentecost, Shavuot. Acts 2:1 it begins with “When the day of Pentecost had fully come” have you got it it’s already fully come. What are you waiting for? Don’t let some seeker sensitive people rob you of being a bold witness for the living God.
Sid: Have I got some good news for you; I was reading Haggai Chapter two verse 9. And I believe we are right here in history and of course history is His, that’s the Messiah’s story. And here’s the history, here is His story and here is where we are right at this moment in His-story. Haggai Chapter two verse 9. “The glory of this latter house, that’s us shall be greater than the former; and in this place I will give peace.” Now the Hebrew word for peace is shalom, that means completeness; and what is going to cause completeness? There is only one thing that is going to cause completeness of God’s Spirit, and that’s the one new man. Because Paul says in Ephesians Chapter 2 that the reason Jesus came was to break down the middle wall of separation between Jew and Gentile. That middle wall of separation existed in temple days, the Gentile had to remain in the court of the Gentiles and he would lose his life if he went close to the Holy of Holies. But that little wall that separated the gentile it’s come down and the two have come together and remember that word shalom which means completeness; the two have come together to form shalom, completeness. It’s almost like a crossword puzzle and some of the pieces of the puzzle are Jewish believers, and other pieces of the puzzle are Gentile believers. And when you put all the pieces together you form the full dwelling place of God by His Spirit. The shalom of God by His spirit, the completeness of His Holy Spirit and that’s what’s about ready to happen. The glory of this latter house shall be greater than the former, what do I see happening? I see limbs being restored; I see eyes that are blind that are not even in the sockets being restored; I see hospitals cleared out; I see the greatest, greatest move of God’s Spirit in history and guess who God trusts the most for this great move of His Spirit? You, because you and I have been born for such a time as this and I believe this is now is what I’m talking about. Why do I believe it’s now? Because last month I had my seventy-second birthday; in my life time I have never ever seen such a dumbing down of the morality of America and that’s what I have to call it. And not such a dumbing down of the morality of America but it’s happening so rapidly; I mean remember you’ve heard that story of the frog swimming around under a light boil and the water is just boiling so slowly the frog can’t even tell, and eventually it’s cooked to death. Well the frog is in the water now and it’s a high boil and that’s what’s happening to the morality of America. We’re literally having this dumbing down but simultaneously I’ve been a believer in Jesus for forty-two years and I have never ever seen such a dumbing down of Christianity. Who do you thinks responsible for the dumbing down of America morality; who do you thinks responsible for the dumbing down in the church? The devil and that’s why if God does not have the greater glory come right now we’re without any hope, but we have a great hope. Now I want to tell you why I feel that the church is being dumbed down. We look like the world we believers, we act like the world; we think like the world our messages from the pulpit they’re not about the blood of Jesus the crucified life the power of God; the walking in holiness. But it’s a feel good positive thinking grace without holiness gospel and God is our sugar-daddy. Well, God’s about ready to change this; there is such little difference between the world and Christianity that the world can’t even tell the difference. Well, we’re getting ready where there will be a difference the glory of God is going to be so manifest on true Christian’s you’re going to be able to see the light. You’re going to be able to… remember the pictures of saints these ancient pictures you would see and they’ll be like a halo over their head. Well, it wasn’t a halo it was that was their best impression of printing what the glory of God looked like when it was on top of someone. Well, people are going to be able to see the glory of God upon you; it reminds me of I recently went into an Indian restaurant and I’m talking to an Indian waiter whose into gurus and maharajas and he’s talking to me about all this. And I say “Well, you know I have maharajas too and he’s bigger than your maharajas,” and maharajah means a teacher. And so of course I’m talking to him about Jesus and the more I tell him about my maharajah. He said, “I want you’re maharajah,” and so I led him to the Lord. Then the manager shows up and the manager I’m afraid he’s going to get this guy in trouble and I don’t want to get this waiter in trouble. And the manager just hangs around my table and hangs around my table; my wife finally gets up excuses herself, she goes to the restroom a few minutes later she comes back from the restroom and he’s still there hanging around, hanging around and I’m wondering myself why are you hanging around? And he finally tells me, he says “I feel such peace when I’m standing in your presence.” Well, I was flabbergasted, this isn’t a believe this isn’t a like minded person this is a Hindu and he feels something greater than he has felt with all of his maharajah’s in Hinduism. That’s what I’m trying to tell you, and by the way I led him to the Lord. This glory that is coming it’ll be greater than what was in Solomon’s Temple. And by the way if you think that you’re going to walk in this kind of glory and not walk in holiness give me a break, it’s not going to be glory it’ll be a burning fire but not the kind that you want. So you’ve got to choose, choose this day whom you’re going to serve but as for me it’s like my house we’re going to serve the living God. I want to talk with you about the two deadly sins. And these are deadly and the church is rampid with these deadly sins and God is going to make a distinction between true believers and phony believers; between… do you remember the parable of the tares and the wheat? Well, the tares we’re like weeds and the wheat was for the harvest and they looked the same, but at the end, and this is what the Messiah said, “Let them grow together because if you pull out the weeds you might pull out some of the wheat; so let them grow together and they’ll be a separation at the end;” I’ll take care of it, don’t worry about it you just do what you consider is right and so there’s coming a separation. And I’m telling you something it won’t be because you’re the president of the United States and you say you’re a Christian. It will be because the glory of God will be on you so strong that people will know; they’ll see a difference in you they’ll feel a difference in you. They’ll taste a difference in you and it will not be business as usual, so let’s talk about these two deadly sins. Now the worst of all is America has turned her back on Israel; now it’s not too late, there’s room for repentance, there’s room for America but the truth of the matter is where in the Bible do you see America mentioned? I see people that try to think and try to say “Well, I think that America is here or there.” It’s not mentioned which means God hasn’t made a definitive decision as to the future of America, a lot of people say “Oh, I’m so concerned about Israel.” It reminds me when I was a young Jewish Believer I used to carry an attaché case, of course I still carry an attaché case but I used to have bumper sticker on it it came from Psalm 122 verse 6 which says “Pray for the peace of Jerusalem they shall prosper that love thee.” And a Jewish man was sitting next to me on a plan and he said, “Sid, aren’t you a little nervous having a bumper sticker like that there are a lot of people that would be very upset with you.” I said, “I said, “No, read it it says “If I pray for the peace of Jerusalem I shall prosper because I love Jerusalem.” So we’re coming into a point right now where America and the church must be straight on Israel. Tomorrow’s broadcast I’m going to get into that, but I am so pleased to make an announcement to you we have our supernatural mentoring kit available now. Your see we’re coming into this time, where the glory will be there but you have to know how to operate in God’s glory, you have to be mentored. I wish I had been mentored when I was a young Jewish believer. But I’m going to make sure that you are mentored, if you go to our webpage you’ll get all the details; It’s Sid Roth, that’s my name S-i-d-R-o-t-h-dot-org. It stands for organization, Sid Roth.org if you go to our webpage right now you’ll get all the facts and you will not have to say twenty years from now “Wish I had been mentored this is your moment.”
Sid: We plain what everyone free and to be normal and it’s about time; what is normal? Read the word, read the New Testament and this is from the “emet” this is the truth. Yeshua, that Hebrew for Jesus said “You will do the same works that I have done.” It gets better by the way “And even greater.” No matter how many apologetics you apply you cannot get away from the fact that everything about the New Covenant is supernatural. And therefore if you’re not normal, get normal. I have a woman on the phone and her job is to help you get normal; her name is Kathie Walters. I’m speaking to her by way of telephone her home in Macon, Georgia. Kathie went to a nice wonderful church in England but there was no power. She read the Bible and even though it was a wonderful church it just didn’t satisfy. So she backslid and ran to Australia and almost married a guy in the mafia and supernaturally her life was spared when he pulled a gun out on her. She came back to England and got married and bumped into a real legitimate revival. Tell me at the best of that revival what was it like Kathie?
Kathie: Well, we didn’t have anyone to tell us how to have meetings you see we just had to rely on God. It started off in the houses people were just coming from everywhere. The thing about it was that God used everybody and the Glory of God was on everybody. When we eventually did move like into the town hall because there was so many people it was just the same. But the glory of God was on every single person God used everybody. It wasn’t someone at the front, we did have meetings for teaching the young Christians and specific things but when the family came together you know on Sunday morning or Wednesday, when the family came we never knew what was going to happen. You know it says when you come together everyone of you has some in tongues, interpretation and it really was like that and people would move under the anointing and it was like an incredible orchestra. You never knew what was going to happen who was going to do what. People in the end didn’t matter where you sat because the person next to you would tell you your name. I remember sitting in those meetings sometimes and you couldn’t look up because the light was so bright and the glory of God just…you see the key to me was everybody God used everybody.
Sid: Are we going to see this type of revival in America, is God going to give us another chance?
Kathie: Well, I think that enough people are getting hungry and fed up with the system now that they’re determined to find something.
Sid: And yet I read in my notes about you and you were talking to my producer you said that “The glory is going to come into churches, but there’s little likelihood that they’re going to keep the glory for a long period of time.” Why?
Kathie: Well, that’s because the people don’t get rid of their old mindsets, see you have to agree with the Spirit and He’s the Spirit of Truth. So you can have the glory of God that comes in and I’ve see it many, many times it comes in and God begins to move but people don’t change their old theology and their old mindsets in order to agree with the Holy Spirit.
Sid: You know I have some experience and not to the degree that you do of the more recent revivals that have occurred in the United States and I was at one revival where the pastor literally told a man that was laughing in the Spirit “Go out into the lobby area and put a towel in your mouth if you can’t control yourself.” Shortly thereafter the revival left.
Kathie: Yes, yeah, yeah. See because people want God to move but they don’t want Him to take over.
Sid: Is the operative word control?
Kathie: Yeah, they’ve been trying to control or make God fit into your box you can’t God doesn’t fit into boxes.
Sid: Kathie you talk about a term I have not heard previously and it’s very, very important for our Mishpochah, the people with a Jewish heart, it’s called qualifying spirit.
Sid: Explain what you mean by that.
Kathie: Okay, I think that’s the biggest religious spirit in the body of Christ because it’s so subtle and I said yesterday it’s not anything that’s really taught but its implied. So how it works is you know if I ask people about salvation they know they’re saved by faith. But when I talk about the Spirit realm and the angels and visitations they feel not qualified because they don’t feel spiritual enough. They think it’s for that person and that person because they’re more spiritual, and their not kind of Spirit kind of person.
Sid: But not only that in the United States we have we’re professional spectator’s, we’re not participants in the things of the Spirit, were spectators in churches.
Kathie: But that’s because people don’t feel qualified. Take yourself or somebody near you right now and they feel not qualified for the realm of the Spirit, the supernatural, the angels, if they don’t feel qualified in any way shape or form they’re never going to receive all of their inheritance are they?
Sid: So how does someone feel qualified?
Kathie: Jesus said that “The truth will make you free, the truth is that Jesus qualified you 100% on the cross didn’t He?
Sid: Of course.
Kathie: If I ask people “One hundred percent.” So you have to ask yourself how then later on can you unqualified on something you never qualified for. It’s a simple thing, but if you can break through that spirit it’s a strong spirit and really get truth in you I tell people you can’t just listen to truth you have to get it in you. The truth is Jesus qualified you 100% and there’s no man and no thing and no organization that can take that away from you.
Sid: But what if someone says “Yes, but that’s not my experience I’ve been at these places and seems like everyone else get’s it but I don’t.”
Kathie: Yeah well then it’s the truth that sets you free so you have to embrace truth, that’s the truth.
Sid: So it doesn’t matter experience it matters truth.
Kathie: See because of all my head knowledge it has to do with all this head knowledge when we come into the things of the Spirit we started seeing things and learning healing, miracles, prophecy, heavenly things I remember saying to the Lord “Look Lord this is wonderful but if this is more head knowledge forget it because I’m not interested because it nearly killed me when I just had head knowledge.” So the Lord said Kathie “The realm of the Spirit the supernatural realm the angels, heavenly visitations that’s your inheritance, you just have to believe it.” So I decided to.
Sid: You have another terminology that I’ve actually used a lot but you have a different meaning for it. When I say replacement theology I mean the heretical view that the church has replaced the Jewish people, Israel, etcetera. But when you say replacement theology you have a different spin; what is it?
Kathie: Well, I just mean replacing those old mindsets like the one that I just talked about that qualifying spirit; there isn’t a believer that’s not qualified. If you’re not qualified that means Jesus didn’t do it good enough or something.
Sid: But what happens if you’re sitting in the same church for the last 20 years and you’re hearing great messages and you’re having great worship but all you do is sit there. How in the world are you ever going to enter in?
Kathie: Well, this is what I’ve been telling people. I’ve been telling them “Listen, Jesus deposited His life in you; He deposited His anointing in you and He’s looking for a return because He’s the Husbandman. So you better get somewhere they really are join up all your anointing and all your calling and all your gifting. Because if you don’t do that Jesus is going to say to you “What did you do with the anointing in your life?”” And you say “My church didn’t like it.” It’s not going to be an excuse.
Sid: You like to teach on whose inside of; who we really are, this new man is.
Sid: That’s all part of us; why isn’t this part of the foundations when someone just get’s saved. Why is this just for the leaders?
Kathie: Well, that the western church you know, it’s just religious old spirits that have bound everybody up. Every believer has that anointing and calling gifting and I think why that first revival was so powerful is because it really was everybody. God used everybody, He used little children like my husband brings kids into the anointing.
Sid: I know I interviewed him; is that still going on like it used to?
Kathie: Oh yeah, he’s having an awesome time.
Sid: Tell me one experience that your husband had with a child.
Kathie: Well, he’s had whole rooms full of children lifted up into Heaven.
Sid: Oh, my goodness.
Kathie: …for two hours playing instruments with the angels, you can see them you can’t…
Sid: You don’t do that at you’re Sunday School, I think the people ought to go to Kathie’s husband’s Sunday school, but go ahead.
Kathie: (Laughing) Okay where did I get to, so God used everybody. I’ll tell you one little story because I love this story. But this was a Sunday morning and there was about 300 or so people and there was a little boy called Steven, he was 7. And he suddenly stepped out into the middle because we had like a middle and he put his Bible on the floor and he stood on it because he’d read something about standing on the word. So he put his handkerchief on his head and I don’t know why he did that and he began to sing I don’t know if you remember that old chorus, “I will bless the Lord at all times.”
Sid: Awe, sure I know that.
Kathie: Any way he sang two lines of this chorus and a wind came into the building and knocked 300 people off their seats.
Sid: Now that’s that normal, if you’re not having this in your church you’re just plain not normal. And Kathie wrote three books that we’re offering. One is called “The Visitation,” and it’s as a result of her experience of going to Heaven and she believes with all of her heart that everyone can have these Heavenly visitations. The second book is called “Living in the Supernatural,” and she has practical instructions and really encouragement to move you into the Spirit to expect the experience of the supernatural. Then the third book is called “The Spirit of False Judgment” perhaps the most important one for you to read because it tells you how to recognize religious spirits and that’s the problem of what’s going on today. These religious spirits love to move where you don’t know it’s them, but that’s what’s stopping you from breaking into everything that God has for you.