SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. Well I was calling my friend, Rick Joyner, on the telephone and he said, “Sid, I just had a dream that has shook me. It’s one of the most vivid dreams, significant dreams I’ve ever had in my life.” And as I know he’s had a number of significant dreams. As a matter of fact, Rick, you’ve had a number of significant words that have come to pass, and the measurement of whether someone can dream a dream that’s from God or have a prophetic word that’s from God doesn’t come to pass.

RICK: Yeah.

SID: Tell us a few things that you’ve seen in the past that have happened.

RICK: Well in 1987, I saw that the countries under, behind the Iron Curtain, the Communist block, that liberty was gonna break out, freedom was gonna come. And of course, you know, a couple of years later the Wall came down. And a part of that same revelation was as they experienced increasing liberty we would experience decreasing liberty and the attack on our liberties. I think that’s certainly come to pass. And I saw things back there and this extensive vision I had, that lasted over two and half days, I saw things, it was hard for me to believe would ever come to pass. One of the things that’s now unfolding, I saw military action along our southern border with Mexico. I saw pitch battles.

SID: And when you saw it you thought, that could never happen.

RICK: You think about 1987. There’s no way this is ever gonna happen. And we’re there now. But that whole vision, I think, was a panorama and has now given me a timeline for some things.

SID: Now the housing crisis that’s going on today, who would have thought when, I mean, you couldn’t lose money in real estate. Everything was going up, up, up. What did God show you about that?

RICK: Well we started prophesying two years before that this was, there was gonna a collapse. There was gonna be a shaking that, you know, the bubble was gonna burst. We lost a lot of friends when we started speaking that, as you can imagine. But of course, it came true. And the Lord, those who heard who got their lives in order profited from that situation. And, you know, I was, for a long time, just about the only one, I think, for a long time that was out there saying Y2K was not going to be anything.

SID: That was not popular message at that time. Everyone wanted Y2K to collapse. I mean, they really didn’t want it, but they were sure it was going to happen.

RICK: It’s amazing how many friends we lost over that one. But I had been seeking the Lord. I said, “Lord, why are you showing everybody else stuff about Y2K and you’re not showing me one thing about it?” And he spoke to me one day and He said, “I’m not showing you anything because it’s not going to be anything.”

SID: Churches were having all these meetings. Actually, I felt the same way as you. And a top pastor from Chicago called and said, “I’m having a panel on how to prepare for Y2K. Would you want to be on the panel?” I said, “Sure, but you have to understand, I don’t think there’s going to be a Y2K,” and he didn’t invite me. But you were recently at Moravian Falls. And I’ve been there, and I love that place. And I have to believe the reason Moravian Falls, North Carolina has such an open heaven is because of the Moravians. Tell me just a little bit about them.

RICK: Well the Moravians were the true father of modern missions, you know, Count Zinzendorf, even when William Carey was called the father of modern missions, he said, no, Zinzendorf was. He was his inspiration. And he was a German count who at the time must have been one of the wealthiest people in the world. And he had such a vision and a heart for the Lord, and he had a revelation of missions. And this is extraordinary in the way he received all this. But they were so touched by the call of the Gospel, especially to the poor, and that they, you know, the very first two missionaries they sent out actually sold themselves as slaves to pay their own passage to go to the West Indies to reach the slaves in the West Indies.

SID: Can you imagine selling yourself as a slave for the Gospel? It actually sounds more biblical than some of the presentations I see today. But they prayed up in the region called Moravian Falls. And I have so many friends that live out in that area, and they keep telling me they see angels. It’s a total open heaven there and that’s where you had your dream. Tell me about that.

RICK: Well it is a place. It’s where we say we come to Charlotte or, you know, Heritage to meet with people, but Moravian Falls is where we meet with God. I hardly ever go there without some extraordinary revelation or visitation. And I had a dream.

SID: How significant? I want you to tell me how significant based on all of your experience over the years, how significant is this dream?

RICK: It shook me personally more than any dream, any revelation I’ve ever had that I remember. It imparted something so deeply to my soul. The reality of this, the absolute emergency that we are in as a nation, and it was about our country, I have never been shaken this hard before. And you know, in the last few years I’ve been trying to sound the alarm because it’s the main message the Lord has been giving me. But I’ve never had any go this deep or to grip me with just how critical things are like this dream did.

SID: Is it too late for America’s survival? You’re going to get some amazing insight from this visitation that Rick had through a dream. Don’t go away. We’ll be right back.

Sid:  I am really overwhelmed at the revelation that God Himself has given Dr. Brian Adams.  It totally transformed his ministry.  You would think a man that was a pastor that understood forgiveness, it would not transform.  That moved in supernatural signs and wonders it would not transform.  But he had a revelation from God and he teaches on the power of forgiveness and one of the areas that a lot of Christians miss, and there are many areas, one area is things that happened even before you were a believer.  You figure well, put it all under the blood, but you know what?  It’s still there.  And Dr. Brian Adams, I believe it literally stops the frequency of God coming in and communication with God two way when you have this unforgiveness buried inside of you.

Brian:  Oh, yes Sir it definitely, definitely does.  Cause what we found out is, and I say this statement again: “Faith moves God, but forgiveness releases His power.”  To be able to walk in unforgiveness you cannot walk in the spirit and be in obedience with God.  Without receiving forgiveness, we’re never going to be able to fulfill the call cause of what we see is hurt people, hurt people; abandoned people or molested people, they abandon or molest.  But when you receive forgiveness, its healing power, the supernatural power of Gods released and now you become healed and here’s what’s awesome.  Healed people, heal people, now you can plainly hear from Heaven.  You can hear the voice of God.  You go from being a child of God to maturing to be becoming a son or daughter of God.

Sid:  Well, there’s three areas you talk about about forgiveness and most people know about forgiving others.

Brian:  Yes.

Sid:  But, they kind of overlook forgiving them self, and you dealt a little bit about that on yesterdays broadcast, but then others, and this is hard to believe, they are believers but they still need to forgive God because of their limited understanding they’ve judged God harshly and there’s a bit of a hurt.  God, why do you answer other peoples’ prayers, but you’re not answering mine?  Give me an example of someone that needed to forgive God and how it changed their life.

Brian:  I knew a lady and she’s a wonderful Christian, I mean a wonderful person individual; you’re not going to find a better person.  So this doesn’t just affect bad people, this can affect everybody.  Her mother ended up with cancer.  They took her everywhere that they could take her, to the best doctors, to the best preachers, she said, to have them pray for her.  And her mother was a good lady, believed in Christ, helped everybody, served.  She died her prayers did not get answered and now this woman’s like, “God how dare you let my Momma die.”  I know that there’s’ probably people listening now that have loved ones, they prayed for and they believed and they didn’t get healed.  Maybe a person didn’t get a job or their marriage they were believing for, it still got a divorce and they were praying, “God I prayed.” But of course, you and I know Sid, God cannot go against a person’s will.  He won’t have robots and we have to line up with the principles of Heaven, the principals of the Word of God.  And so many people, now once I began dealing with this young lady about this, she said, “Oh, my gosh I’ve been bitter at God, I’ve hated God.”  And because when you get bitter at God it now stops your prayer life and you begin trying to become Mr. or Mrs. Fix it and now you’re doing everything by the power of flesh.  You become, emotionally burnt out.  Stress and anxiety all these affections cause the devil says, ha ha, I’ve separated you from the original Mr. Fix it, now you are trying to do it yourself.  She forgave, said “God, I’ve been mad at you, I forgive you.” And now, she wouldn’t even pray for anybody again.  Now, she praying for the sick, she’s back in church, her husband just said, thank you Jesus.  Said, you ministered to her because she was angry with everybody, but now the whole family has been restored, in church, and their jobs everything, Sid.

Sid:  Now, you were telling me about someone that had that same problem, yesterday.  We didn’t have time to put it on the air that had a creative miracle.

Brian:  Okay, there was a gentleman, now he came to a prayer line that where we were having a three city wide church meeting and he was one of the first peoples in line.  As I came walking down, he’s kind of bouncing and jumping around, I thought oh, it’s good to see somebody with excited faith.  I said what’s the problem, Sir?  He said, well I got infected about twelve years ago; something I’m not even sure the cause, but they had to surgically remove everything from his hearing; his anvil, the stirrup, his eardrum.  And they took it out; left a hole, they took some fat from his side and stuck it inside his head to fill up the gap so he couldn’t hear, he didn’t have anything.  Now, the other ear was alright but this one.  So, he said, “God told me on the way here, I’m going to get healed.”   I prayed for him one time, nothing happened.  I stuck my finger in his ear and called on God for a creative miracle, nothing happened.  Did it the third time, nothing happened.  I said I’m going to go ahead and pray for these other people.  You got a word from God, so you stand on it.  Went on down the line two or three people, they got healed.  The Lord gave me a word of knowledge, said “He’s got bitterness and unforgiveness in his heart.”  I turned around and said, “Sir, God says you’ve got unforgiveness in your heart.”  He collapsed fell to his knees and said, “I hate my old pastor, he embarrassed me, he did me wrong, he mocked me, God didn’t protect me.”  And he was just mad at God and everybody and this pastor.  I went over and took his hands and he feel against me and as he’s crying I said, “You can forgive I’m here to help you,” and that’s what we as believer’s need to become distributors’ of the power of forgiveness.  And as I prayed with him he finally did it and he forgave and released.  I said, let me pray now.  I stuck my finger in his ear and I said, “Lord, give this man the recreative miracle that he needs.”  Instantly God replaced everything and he hears perfect to this day.

Sid:  Wait a second, if I understood you right, they had surgically removed the parts that cause a human to be able to hear.

Brian:  Yes.

Sid:  So, he got a new eardrum from Heaven!

Brian:  He got a new eardrum from Heaven and the awesome things about it Sid, he get a bill in the mail. Ha ha.

Sid: Ha ha.  Well, tell me about, I mean there’s so many amazing healings that are happening and people are hearing from God when they get the revelation of the power of forgiveness.  Tell me about someone that was healed of prostate cancer.

Brian:  Oh, yes, yes, yes.  There was a gentleman came in.  His wife brought him in.  I didn’t know him.  They were older couple and he was actually a Baptist pastor, him and his wife from down along the river.  And they came walking in and I walked down to them.  The guy looked almost like someone that had been in one of the Jewish camps.  He was very skinny, he looked like he was dying, anorexic or something and his wife was helping him in.  And I said, “can I help you?”  As I heard the door open and came out of my office and they said a person was at one of your food fellowship dinners.  They had like seventy percent hearing loss in both ears and arthritis in their hands.  You prayed with them, dealt with unforgiveness and she was healed and she came and told us about it.  My husband’s dying with prostate cancer.  We’ve got the legal documents of the doctor of the PSA level before and the PSA level after and it’s just huge.  Well, I prayed with him and he forgave some people that he had hurt and he did say, I thought that I’d forgiven them but it was still in his heart.  He release them, I wrapped my arms around him and I just said, the power of God be released.  God’s power lifted him up and put him down on the couch he slid down.  She was limping out, stop I want to pray for you too.  God ended up healing her.  About three weeks later, he comes in, I didn’t even recognize him.  He put on twenty to thirty pounds, brought the papers in and is totally healed; pastoring and preaching the gospel and preaching “God heals if you forgive.”

Sid:  How about things like mental illness; can you give me a quick testimony?

Brian:  Oh, oh we got a powerful testimony on that, you know in Matthew 18 the story of where the man wouldn’t that had been forgiven wouldn’t forgive.  He was turned over to the tormentors; when I read that the scripture came to me “Fear hath torment.”  So I started seeing that phobias and fears and anxieties.  These all fit that description.  Doctors can’t heal them, they medicate them.  So I got a call from a doctor saying, “I’ve got a lady that’s been in her house, stuck for two years.  She comes out maybe once a quarter to go to a doctor.  She shuts her eyes.  Her sister or mom takes her to the car; she comes to the doctor, she gets inside, opens her eyes.  She stays inside.  Her husband, now divorced had beat, abused and raped her.  She lived inside the house with the veil, the curtain shut and very much darkness, one light bulb only.”  I called her said, “I would like to come.” and I went over and she started telling me her life story.  It was crazy.  She had been in the mental institutions six times.  She had seizures now, epileptic seizures; she was on social security; lost her driver’s license because of the seizures; now wouldn’t trust anybody, a lady went with me.  I started teaching her about twenty minutes about forgiveness.  And she reached down and grabbed my hand, she said I hate him, she doesn’t deserve it but I want healed.  I’m tired of suffering because of this.  She got some revelation Sid.  I prayed the conscious prayer, the decision prayer, she forgave, the tears started flowing down her face.  I put my hand on her head and said, “You foul tormenting spirits leave her now!”  She just took a deep breath and exhaled.  The color of her face changed, the atmosphere changed in the room.  That was on a Wednesday, that night she showed up to church.  Oh, oh man she came out of her house.  She was still a little nervous.  Three days later I’m driving down the road and my cell phone rings.  She’s screaming, I thought, oh gosh man, something’s happened.  What’s the matter?  She said, I’m in the middle of Wal Mart, there’s hundreds of people and I’m not afraid.  She ended up getting her driver’s license, she no longer has seizures, she’s totally healed, she called social security and said Jesus delivered me from the tormentors, I don’t need the check no more.  She’s working for an insurance adjustor, she’s remarried and has got two beautiful babies.  Her life has been given back to her because she forgave.

Sid:  I’m kind of overwhelmed at the types of healings that are occurring once someone hears the revelation that God himself gave you on the power of forgiveness.  People with diabetes, people that are blind, and especially the mental illness area: bipolar, hearing voices, split personalities.  Wouldn’t it be wonderful to have everyone in mental hospital hear this series?  Wouldn’t it be wonderful to have everyone in your family hear this series.  It’s not just physical healing; it’s being free for the first time in your life.  It’s being able to hear God’s voice.  It’s being free from demonic oppression.  It literally repels the enemy.  I mean he can’t touch you.  We’re making this four CDs series available it’s called “The Power” and I emphasis that word the power of forgiveness and Dr. Brian Adams pray’s supernatural prayers over you for deliverance and freedom.

Sid:  One new humanity, One New Man which makes the full dwelling place of God.  You get it?  Then in another words, with Jewish people that come to the Messiah there is a special spiritual DNA and with Gentile people that come to the Messiah there is a special spiritual DNA.  But when the two merge together you get what Paul calls the complete dwelling place for God.  So that’s the deal.  He started with the Jewish people He’s going to end with the Jewish people.  The job of the Jew was to reach the Gentile.  The job of the Gentile is to reach the Jew so we can form the full dwelling place of God in the Spirit; and we’re having a little hint of this full dwelling place in the Mobile Revival.  It’s called” The Revival at the Bay of the Holy Spirit and Pastor John Kilpatrick is Pastoring that and Nathan Morris is the Evangelist.  Nathan is thirty-one years young and when he was about sixteen as the son of a pastor he rebelled he went into alcohol, into drugs.  He had a girlfriend, had the wrong friends but his parents did not give up and they prayed for him.  And on his twenty-second Birthday he went over his parents’ home, he pulls out a CD from the revival in Brownsville, Pensacola Florida.  He puts it on and literally he says for hours the fire of God was upon him.  He was pinned to the ground and he heard the voice of God and God said that if you go from me today I will never call you again.  It was such a holy moment that he couldn’t even speak to his parents when he saw them after that.  But the next Sunday he was in church because his father was a pastor of a small church and while he was in church his father gave an invitation.  He came down the aisle.  A women prophesized over him the same words that he heard from God when the fire of God struck him.  But then that fire of God it started coming off of you at that moment Nathan.  Tell me about it.

Nathan:  Yeah, I went into twelve months of seeking God. 

Sid:  But wait a second before you even did that what happened with your alcohol addiction, what happened with your drug addiction?  What happened with your girl friend?  I mean what happened with all of your friends that knew you as a party guy?

Nathan:  Yeah, I had to travel back down to south of England, in Cambridge where I was living and when I was driving down that motorway from an encounter with God I realized and I knew that every bondage, every addiction in my life had been broken.  I mean I was driving down there and when I got back to my home town I began to share with my friends and at first they laughed and said oh will give you a few weeks.  But you know, I was so hungry for God, I was like a desperate man.  I knew for the first time in my life that God was more real, His presence, His fire was more real than the air that I breathe.

Sid: What, just out of curiosity I hear this terminology a lot “hunger for God?”   How did this play out in your life?  What did hunger for God translate as far as your actions during the day?  What did that mean?

Nathan:  Hunger for God Sid, is a desperation that comes out of your spirit man.  Everything within you, it’s like when the Bible says the deer pants for the water so my soul longs after you.  From the moment I woke up until the second I went to bed, all of the cry within me would saying “God I want another encounter with you”.  I want to encounter your presence.  Lord, I use to read my Bible, and I say Lord I want to see the wonders of God.  I want to see, I want to experience all that Jesus has for me.  And you see Sid, God when God wants to touch your life, when God wants to take you a deeper place.  There is no short cut.  You have to go on the journey of a hungry and desperate man.  The cry must come out of your belly because when you do that many times it’s in the journey.  It’s in the pursuit of God that God will deal with many issues in your life.  A lot of the things and the issues and the mindsets and the ways that we live our life, it’s when we begin to pursue God that the Holy Spirit, like He hovers over you.  He begins to speak to you and to deal with this and to deal with that and then suddenly and with my life Sid, everything that God has done in the ministry and revival and in the campaigns where we’ve seen thousands.  It has been in the suddenly of God.  I go on this journey, like Elisha going after Elijah the mantle.  It takes you through places in your life where He will strip you, He will take away the things the issues the sins in our lives and He brings us to a place of an encounter with God. 

Sid:  Now you started speaking at your father’s church.  Now they had, it was a very small church they only had about seven people or so and as I understand it, people from all over England started coming.  What was going on at that church that caused people to come from all over England?

Nathan:  Well, my Dad he had a small church.  He had about 150 people but the Lord said to me.  I want you start a meeting on a Saturday night.  Now in Britain Sid, a lot of people when they have mid day church on Sunday morning they don’t really come out to church on Saturday evening.  And my Dad said to me, he said son if you’re going to do a Saturday night meeting, I promise you, if people come then it’s a move of God.  And I started with seven people.  But from the first meeting the fire of God fell, the power of God just entered the place and I recognized it Sid because this was what has falling on me.  This is what had touched my life and miracles began to happen and within twelve months.  People were traveling four and five hours coming from all over the UK packing the church out.  People use to stood around the perimeters.  The meetings would go about 2:00 AM.  There would be people laid out on the car park.  I use to have ushers on the door because people would encounter the presence of God so powerfully that they would literally be in the doorway and never making it into the church sanctuary and literally it was from the moment we began till twelve months in God just…and you know Sid, people in Britain, you can get from one end of the country to the other in eight hours.  So for someone to drive four or five hours six hours to come to one night meet service in a little church in water town Durum, that’s where the church was.  It was a miracle, we didn’t have radio shows, we didn’t have television, we didn’t have courses.  It was all word of mouth.

Sid:  It sounds like what happened in the days that Jesus walked in the flesh.  He didn’t have texting.  HAHA

Nathan:  We didn’t have any form of advertisement only the power of God and the miracles of God.

Sid:  Speaking of the power of God.  When God told you to go to places like Africa and held campaigns.  One of the first ones you went to you had some doubts about what am I doing here God and God literally spoke to you to you.  Tell me about that. 

Nathan:  Sid I was in the middle of Sierra Leon, a war torn nation.  This place had been devastated by Satan.   I mean the war that they experienced was barbaric. I was in the field and you know with a limited budget the Lord had opened the door and the people in the area were shocked.  Over 10,000 people had arrived in this field.  I stood there and I didn’t have no Bible, college degree or any theogian certificates and I was a young guy and I stood there and there were 1,000s. they were carrying people in on beds.  I mean I stood there for a moment and it dawned on me, I thought Jesus they think I know what I’m doing.  You know that I don’t have a clue.  Lord when did I think this was a good idea?  What am I going to do, you know almost I tell you it was like the hand of God arrested my heart and he said to me.  It was like he was saying wake up son and he said to me this was never your idea.  It was mine, now get up there and open your mouth and I will fill it.  You know that night Sid we had over 6,000 decisions for Christ.  We saw death and blind being healed and when they were coming up my Assistant, he was saying Nathan, blind eyes have being opened.  I was more shocked then they were and they were shocked.  I was more shocked then anybody.  I was like Lord, Lord what is happening and from that moment to this moment Sid we’ve ever will look back.  We saw that year of the ministry in 2006 we saw over 30,000 people; Moslems, Hindus give their lives to Jesus Christ.  And from that moment we’ve never looked back to the Glory of God and it was not because of me or anything that I can ever do but all because of the blood of Jesus Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit.

Sid:  Now, when your parents observe, because at the meeting I went to in Mobile that you were conducting your parents were there.  When your parents see you up there speaking and see these awesome miracles and these people giving their life to God, I wonder what do they think, what do they say to you?

Nathan:  Well, I know that, you know when I’m with Mom and Dad I am just their son, you know.   I’m just there boy and they treat me just like that.  And I like that, that keeps my feet on the ground and that’s where they belong.  But, I know that when my Dad prayed, you see Sid I’d been with powerful men of God.  I have had the great privilege to sit around tables and to meet with mighty mighty men of God but let me tell you, my dad is one of the most prayerful men that I have ever met.

Sid:  Your Dad is your hero.

Nathan:  My Dad is because I have seen him in a live the life of a prayerful man.  Not on the pulpit but behind closed doors.  When I was a young boy, I use to think it was normal.  My Dad would get up before the sun rises and seek the face of God and the Lord said to me very early in the ministry what I am about to do is not because of you but because of the faithfulness and the prayers of your family and your father.

Sid:  Nathan, I want the fire of God that so transformed your life to transform the life of everyone that’s listening to us right now.  And you did a special DVD at the great revival that is going on “The Bay of the Holy Spirit Revival” in Mobile for an impartation of The Fire of God.”  And this is what I envision Nathan and I envision people putting this DVD on, laying on the floor and every time you say “Fire” the anointing of God is going to hit them. 

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. Are you stuck? Would you like to get unstuck? Let me explain to you what I mean by that. Have you been praying for years for your spouse to become a radical believer in the Messiah? Year after year, after year goes. Have you got a death sentence from a doctor, an incurable disease that you’re praying and you’re praying, and nothing seems to be changing? Have you got children that are rebellious and you’re praying year after year, after year. Someone is saying right now, yes, that’s me. Well my guest is going to help you get unstuck. His name is Dave Hess. And Dave, never, never in a million years would you go to get flu-like symptoms checked out in November 1997. And what did the doctor say was wrong with you?

DAVE: She looked at me and said, “Mr. Hess, you have cancer. You have leukemia. In fact, you have the most aggressive strain of leukemia, acute myeloid leukemia. She was very concerned because it is barely treatable by chemotherapy. Other strains of leukemia can be treated other ways, but this is aggressive.

SID: So it was too late, in other words, for anything. Now they offered you chemo and you took it.

DAVE: Yes.

SID: But in their opinion it had advanced too far.

DAVE: It had advanced very far. My gums were bleeding. The whites of my eyes had become discolored. I was bruising. If I lightly bumped anything a bruise would appear on my body. And my ability to fight any kind of flu or infection was nil.

SID: So you leave the doctor and you hear from God.

DAVE: Yes.

SID: What did he tell you?

DAVE: I stepped out of the doctor’s office. It was a November night, leaves blowing. All I needed was a wolf howling somewhere in the background, and it felt very eerie. And it hadn’t fully hit me what she had said. But I found myself saying out loud, “I’m shocked.” And not a split second later I heard the voice of the Lord say to me, “I’m not and I’ll take you through this.”

SID: How did it sound? How did His voice sound?

DAVE: His voice was calm and confident. And the way I describe is it was like a warring peace went through my soul.

SID: You needed it because you were in confusion. You were in fear. Your family didn’t even know this.

DAVE: They didn’t know.

SID: But interesting enough, God wasn’t shocked because he received a prophetic word from a young man. How old was he?

DAVE: He was about eight years old.

SID: Eight years old?

DAVE: Eight years old.

SID: Okay. And you told me that you look like he was hesitant to give it to you.

DAVE: Yes.

SID: Because it wasn’t a good word.

DAVE: No.

SID: But it was a good word. It wasn’t a word and it was. Tell me about it.

DAVE: We had received a prophetic ministry and it was very encouraging words, and we got up to leave the room, and this young boy said, “Sir, I have one more word to tell you.” And he said, “Satan is about to make a grave tactical error. He’s about to come at you and take you down a dark corridor.” But he said, “When you come out the end of the corridor you’re going to be strengthened and what happened to you will be used to strengthen the faith of others.”

SID: Now how long did they say you would live?

DAVE: They had said that they didn’t think I would live to see Christmas, and I was diagnosed at Thanksgiving.

SID: So they’re giving you a month to live.

DAVE: That’s right.

SID: So how does a man go home to his family and tell them, “Honey, I have a month to live”? What did you do?

DAVE: Well I’m a preacher. So I was trying to think of the right words to say.

SID: There are no right words.

DAVE: There were no right words. And I got out of the car and walked up the front sidewalk to the house, and I still have no words. And when I got inside and saw my wife and my three children I knelt down, hugged them and I looked them in the eye and the words came, and I said to them, “Daddy has cancer but Jesus has Daddy.” And the words came from Him because I couldn’t have thought those up at that time. My emotional state was all over the net.

SID: But you know what I think is so wonderful? Sometimes the spouse has a bigger problem than the person with the death sentence. And God was so gracious. What did He do for your wife, a supernatural sign?

DAVE: He was faithful to her. As we headed into what we would later find out would be a six-month process, I was in the hospital for six months during this treatment time and healing time, she felt as if a hand had been placed on the back of her head.

SID: Was this one or two times or what?

DAVE: Continuously.

SID: 24-7?

DAVE: 24-7 she had the sensation. In fact, at first she tried to brush something away. She

thought she’d left a hat on or something was on her head, but there was nothing physically there. It was as if the Lord took His hand and put His hand on her head and said, “I am with you.”

SID: By the way, what was the name of that hospital?

DAVE: The hospital we went to was Holy Spirit Hospital. I kid you not.

SID: [laugh] I tell you, I’m laughing, but Dave, this was no laughing matter.

DAVE: No.

SID: I mean, you had, even with these prophetic words, even with your wife having a supernatural sign it had to be hard for you.

DAVE: Yes. Yes. I have a new appreciation for what people walk through when they battle cancer. I had known it from a textbook side. I had known it from a professional side. But now it became personal, the fears that assail someone who is battling cancer.

SID: Listen, it’s so personal that he has a cancer-free zone, and we are going to hijack that for this show. Don’t go away. We’ll be right back after this word.