Sid: You’ve been listening to the new theme music for a while. I have in the studio the artist of the new theme music Paul Wilbur and his wife Luanne. It’s from their latest album “The Watchman.” Paul, for those who don’t know, we go back a long time.
Paul: We do.
Sid: You showed up in Washington D.C. one day in my office and you said “I heard there is a Messianic Synagogue and I’m looking for a job.” You had a wonderful job for me, lets see, it wasn’t singing, it wasn’t playing the guitar, it was opening the mail.
Sid: Despise not small beginnings. You really had to humor yourself, because you had a tough time. You had a Master’s degree when you got to me, and then you quickly lost that. (Laughing)
Paul: (Laughing ) Misplaced it.
Sid: Anyway, come on just between you and me and Luanne, what did you do to amuse yourself when you were opening the mail, I’ll help you if you forgot.
Paul: Well, I used to enjoy Sid watching and reading all the different people’s spellings of your name.
Sid: You must have really been bored. (Laughing)
Paul: Well it was my job. I believe, Sid, that a word for us for this year in 2006 is the word “Breakthrough”. And for those who are listening to the broadcast this week, I think it is unusual that we start out this way, but I believe it’s right on the Word of the Lord, for many people who are listening; who believe they are stuck in an end, a small little thing, they are not fulfilling their destiny. This is a year for breakthrough. I did start out reading your mail, I did have a Master’s degree in music, I was teaching at the University of Maryland part time in the music department, but my heart was to lead the worship of the world in the songs of Messiah.
Sid: Back then, was that your goal at that time when you were doing that menial job?
Paul: It was, that was resounding in my heart. I had just left a group, with a young man from Texas who had led me to the Lord 5 years before. We formed a singing group together with another guy by the name of Ed Car; the name of the group was Harvest. We had a recording contract with Benson records. I had done some singing with Sandi Patti and had been performing with some of the major singing groups back in the 70s, Christian singing groups. But the call of God to the Jew first was so big in me. I was sitting in my living room one day and someone had heard your broadcast and gave me one of the interview tapes and said you need to listen to this. And I put it on and I remember crying through the whole thing, through the music, through the talking. I don’t even know what the thing was, I found out there were Jewish believers in Yeshua who were living a Jewish lifestyle expressing the love of God as this creation in Him. I quit the group, left this thing that I knew God had brought me to. Brought my family halfway across the country had no job.
Sid: Stop, Luanne, how did you handle that? At the time you had two small sons and he crosses the country, a Master’s degree, and he is opening my mail.
Luanne: I was very excited, because I knew we were in the center of God’s will, and when you know that you are in the center of God’s will you have His grace and His peace.
Sid: But wait a second now. I mean here you’ve got a husband with all these degrees, and he’s really moving up in what is known as Christian music, and he just drops the whole thing and he goes and he opens my mail. Now that had to bother you a little bit Luanne.
Luanne: To be honest it didn’t. I knew we were in the center of God’s will and we were just really excited and full of joy to be doing what we knew that we were supposed to be doing at the time.
Sid: Paul, so you said something about for this year, about not despising small beginnings. Really explain this.
Paul: Well, this is a year, Sid, I believe the Lord has spoken to my heart. I was at a conference with some well-known ministers in Branson, Missouri a couple weeks ago. Their word was “Glory” this is a year of “Glory.” They were also sharing some of the revelation that Brother Kenneth Hagen gave about the last quarter of 2005 and the whole year of 2006, that he had spoken before he graduated to his place in heaven, his word that this was a year of fulfillment. That the last quarter of ‘05 and all of ‘06 was a year of fulfillment
Sid: I’ll take that, because he called me out of an audience once and gave me such a marvelous prophecy. I’ll take that for this coming year.
Paul: Well, the thing that the Lord has spoken to my heart is “Breakthrough”. And I believe it goes right hand in hand with the glory the manifested presence of God. Which is always a “Breakthrough”, whether you’re sitting at your desk, or whether you’re worshipping in your congregation, or you’re driving to your job, or whatever you’re doing, a “Breakthrough.” But, Sid, this is going to be of such proportion that people don’t despise where you are. As you were saying, I was sitting there with my degrees, opening your mail, coding it for the computer.
Sid: So bored, that you had to write down the different ways that people spelled my name.
Paul: That was the fun part of it that kept me interested. But wasn’t it interesting that Marc Chopinski was in your office at the same time.
Sid: Now Mark was part of his original singing group called “Israel’s Hope” when he started in messianic Jewish music, and Marc was working there, go ahead.
Paul: Well, I didn’t…
Sid: Who I might add, who is now in Israel, leading music in a messianic Jewish synagogue, go ahead.
Paul: In Haifa with good friends of ours and very successful. Did we know that these were “Breakthrough” times for us? It didn’t look like a “Breakthrough” it didn’t feel like a “Breakthrough” but I believe, this year there is going to be “Breakthrough” of such monumental proportion, that we will know that we have broken through. It is an Isaiah 45 promise, and we may get to that somewhere during the rest of this week as we share. But Sid there is “Breakthroughs” coming in people’s lives in there health, in there finances, in there ministries that they don’t even know that God has set them aside for. In anointing, in mantles, in word, in provision…
Sid: Why? Will you speculate as to why there will be such “Breakthroughs” this year.
Paul: Simply because, it is the time of the Lord. And when we get to some more of the sharing this week, about the song we’ve been listening to, and others on this project. This thing has been called “The Watchman.” Now what is a watchman? I don’t want to get too far ahead of myself, but this is going to be a theme, I believe, for the rest of this week. A watchman is someone who is placed in a high place to see what others cannot see; they hear what others do not hear; and they boldly declare what others will not declare because they have seen and heard.
Sid: Is there a difference between a watchman and a prophet?
Paul: Yes there is, but the watchman is a prophetic ministry. You don’t have to be a prophet carrying a card. You don’t have to be a Chuck Pierce, or pick your favorite name of who you see in that office of prophet to be a watchman. You can be a watchman on your job. You can be a watchman over your home. You can be a watchman in your congregation, over your city. It is not necessarily the office of prophet, but it is the ministry it is a prophetic ministry. And God is distributing this ministry like garments over many, many people at this moment. In fact, there are some that are listening to us right now who are being called up as watchman. It is simply because it is the choosing it is the timing of the Lord. And He is depositing ministry in them now to see what they’ve never seen before. My wife is experiencing this in a fresh new way and we may get to some of that later this week. I’m experiencing it in a fresh new way. I’ve prophesied in the past in the music and in word, but all of a sudden there is a fullness coming that is very exciting. It is simply because it is the timing of the Lord.
Sid: You told me, and we’ll get to it later in the week, you told me that when you were singing from your latest album which is called “The Watchman”, literally in Miami, Florida, blind eyes started to open.
Paul: Isn’t that amazing, not in Zambia, South Africa, not in the Philippines in some far away mud hut in Miami, Florida where thousands saw it. Not only blind eyes, but deaf ears.
Sid: All right tell me about this new CD we are making available this week called “The Watchman”.
Paul: I’m very excited about it, Sid, this has come out of a vision of what God has spoken for five years I’ve not made a recording with Integrity Music, since the year 2000 when we were in Israel doing the Lion of Judah recording live, which we spoke about many years ago. For years the company said “Paul we need something fresh from you” and I said “I don’t have anything to say.” The last thing the world needs is another piece of plastic with someone saying something that is not from God. And I told them when I have something to say I’ll let you know. I was in a conference with Don Potter and Jason Upton, months ago, and I heard Don’s song “The Watchman.” When I heard that song the Lord said, “This is the message.” I began to write with other friends of mine and you have in your hands the product of that.
Sid: Of all the things you’ve done Paul. I believe this has the strongest presence of God.
Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah his name is Pastor Bill Johnson, Pastor of Bethel Church in Redding, California where miracles are normal; lack of miracles is abnormal. Bill just out of curiosity if you woke up one morning with a pain in your back let’s say how would you pray?
Bill: Well, I’d probably wouldn’t pray I’d probably just command it to be gone. Jesus actually didn’t pray for the sick that we have record of, it’s legal, but I mean the Lord’s given us authority. It’s best to exercise that authority and command certain things to change. If you’re persisted at it I’d probably have my wife into it and have her minister to me she may pick up something that I missed. What you tolerate will dominate so we can’t just allow little things to go on in our body and then ignore them.
Sid: I think most Christians, even Christians that understand the healing of God tolerate the little. They just don’t even pay attention to it, but we shouldn’t have to put up with those little things.
Bill: Yeah, you’re right.
Sid: Okay, Bill were talking about your book “The Supernatural Power of a Transformed Mind.” On yesterday’s broadcast we were talking about this is a very abused subject some are taught a mindless gospel, other people elevate the mind to point it reduces God to a powerless image of man. These two extremes if you will what should it be?
Bill: The mind is supposed to be the canvas the Holy Spirit paints on. The mind is so useful to God. Jesus died in sense to protect the ability of men to think on his own. And when we make the gospel a mindless gospel we do a tremendous disservice to the Lord, it’s usually those who promote a mindless gospel usually do so in a reaction to those that have made the gospel in an intellectual item. And the reaction maybe legitimate but the outcome is horrible because the mind is just makes a better student then it does a teacher. The mind is a better follower than the leader, it’s supposed to come under the influence of the Spirit of God in the spirit of man. And when it does, it is a clean canvas that is able to receive the impressions of the Lord and we learn to function and cooperate with Him. Faith doesn’t come from the mind it comes from the heart, we don’t believe because we understand, because we actually understand because we believe. Hebrew’s 11 says as much, “By faith we understand that the worlds were made by that which is not.” And so it’s the human intellect that’s a tremendous tool even in the miraculous, but it has to come from a renewed mind experience which is a divine encounter.
Sid: You talk in your book, and there’s so many wonderful nuggets, but one of the things that intrigues me greatly is you talk about Jacob’s ladder and breaking the demonic so we can live under an open heaven. Explain that.
Bill: In my way of thinking most closed heavens are between the ears. It’s a way of thinking that we have actually allowed the enemy to steal from us when he has no authority or right. The Father is jealous for the Spirit of God in me. There is no power of hell that can separate and make a brass heaven, so to speak, between the Spirit of God who is in me and the heavenly Father. So if I think I’m in a place of warfare where I’m in a place where there’s just brass heavens it’s something that’s in my imagination. I have to adjust my way of thinking to where I realize it’s impossible for me to have a closed heaven. Because the Spirit of God is in me the Father is jealous for His fellowship. I simply step in line with what the Father is saying and doing. There is no break in that relationship it has to do with a lot of misconceptions for example people who rise up in places of leadership will come to me sometimes and they’ll say “Bill I’m really being attacked by the enemy I know it’s because I’ve just become a board member of the church or worship leader or whatever.” Most people think that if they grow in maturity there going to be more vulnerable to spiritual assault; there is a measure of truth to that because the enemy would like to destroy leaders, generals more than privates. But in our armies who are more protected the generals or the privates? God does not raise up leaders so that they’re more vulnerable, He raises up leaders because they’re insolated more by divine protection to walk in the integrity and the lifestyle and power that He’s assigned them to. And for us to have that miss conception in our mind is an agreement with a lie, and lies when we believe a lie we empower the enemy. The enemy has no authority in our life accept through human agreement. Jesus said, “All, authority was given to him which means the devil has none.
Sid: Wait a second that’s too important to slip by so quickly, you’re saying the devil has no authority in the lives of anyone listening right now unless there’s human agreement explain that a little.
Bill: Well, Jesus said, “All authority was given to Him, which means the devil has none.” And so if the devil has none, but he seems to be using some measure in realm of authority, where is he getting it from? He can only get it from those that have it. God gave us the keys to the Kingdom and in doing so when we come into agreement with the enemy we actually empower him. The devil couldn’t come into the Garden of Eden and posses Adam and Eve all he could do was talk until he brought them into agreement. When they agreed with him they empowered him with the authority that was given to them. The same thing happens every day in the life of a believer, whenever we become anxious or fearful we are putting in faith an inferior reality and we actually empower the lie to take on the power a power almost equal to truth.
Sid: Okay, let me give an example and tell me if this is what you’re saying. Someone wakes up one morning they have some symptoms, they go to the doctor. The doctor says “cancer.” What should their position be? Are you saying that they are empowering the cancer by talking a lot about it and saying maybe well, I guess it’s God’s will and maybe He’ll heal me and maybe he won’t. What do you mean by agreement in that particular example?
Bill: Well, if they do what you just said they talk about it and say that they think it maybe God’s will to do something in their life, absolutely they are empowering the enemy; they have made a covenant with words, with the powers of hell to kill, steal and destroy. We got to repent for this stuff because we empower the enemy and we face so many battles that are…
Sid: I almost feel like we zip out mouth 24-7, [Laughing] the more I think about this anyway.
Bill: [Laughing] Let me tell you what we have purposed to do as a church family. I only feed myself on what he is doing and what He has done, I do not feed myself on what He hasn’t done, if I do that I create the atmosphere for a spirit of offense to arise and I will empower the enemy.
Sid: That is a great statement, on your book “The Supernatural Power of the Transformed Mind,” do you find that when people read a book like this and really grab hold of it and follow the directions that you give in this book, this should be normal, or this is just people that have certain gifts of the Spirit that will be moving in as you say access to a life of miracles?
Bill: No, it’s for everybody and something happens to people when they expose themselves to truth in teaching and truth in testimony. Something ignites in the hearts of people and we have…
Sid: You talk about the power of the testimony, what do you mean by that?
Bill: Testimony in the Old Testament comes from the word that means do again, and in the New Testament the scripture says the testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of prophecy. It basically means this and any time you give a testimony of something that God has done either spoken or written, a testimony it carries with it a prophetic anointing that is catalytic. And that means it changes the environment and makes that miracle available again. And we have seen it unbelievable amount of times. We’ve seen it just this week giving a testimony of healing. As I gave the testimony a woman was literally knocked down into her chair on a Sunday morning and she was healed or Rheumatoid Arthritis as I gave a testimony. It’s available all the time you just have to learn to recognize what is in the unseen so we can work with the God.
Sid: But we have been trained in a superstar culture, and even in the church that’s been invaded where we look at the pastor, or the evangelist to do these things, not us.
Bill: No, you right and in our situation I would estimate probably 85 to 90% of all of the people healed, have been healed when the church prayed for them, not when our ministry team. I get a very small percentage because I refuse to get down there and let everyone line up in front of me. I’d rather they get in front of teams that have trained, I let them be prayed for by the church otherwise we unintentionally create an appetite for the superstar and I won’t cooperate with that.
Sid: The first church didn’t have different levels of believers they just had Jesus, and us, and the believer. Now we have a whole hierarchy and I think people like it that way and maybe that’s why most Christian babies as far as the supernatural goes.
Bill: Your right.In the past when the Lord gave an extraordinary anointing to somebody that anointing was used do draw crowds so that they could minister to them. What’s happened today is that anointing to individuals and they instead of them trying to equip those who come to them so that what used to be a high level of anointing on one person becomes the new norm for the body of Christ. And that’s what many of us are working very hard at doing. Our whole life is spent on equipping the church to be the church and to live as Jesus lived.
Sid: Do you envision a day coming soon where an entire city in the United States will be so touched by a group of Christians that move like the those one or two men or woman of God in previous generations and the whole city becomes believers?
Bill: Yeah, absolutely, I know it’s going to happen and I am very convinced that my city will be one of them. We have so much happening all across the board in our city.
Sid: Wait a second, that’s wonderful for Bill, but what about you and your city?
Sid: We want everyone everywhere to be red hot for Messiah and that’s an understatement for my guest Mickey Robinson. Mickey in 1968 was in an airplane where the engine quit; he crashed, he should have died but he was pulled out of the plane before it just became a fiery inferno. However, they expected him to die any second and he did and he left his body and he went to the Second Heaven, to the Third Heaven. He was raised Catholic, but he didn’t know terminology about being born again or anything like that but he was repenting for all he was worth as he was dying. When he got to Heaven he realized truth; he realized that if he did not have intimacy with God; if he did not believe in Jesus he would be separated for from God for all of eternity. He saw what the realm of Heaven, eternity, and he got revelation on things that this side of Heaven most people don’t understand. Why did God allow you to live, why did God send you back Mickey?
Mickey: I think a real understandable definition is that I am a message of hope to all people that there is know situation that’s hopeless. That if God could – He sent His message of the gospel in a very simple way through me; I mean this is Jesus He opened blind eyes, he healed the lame; bound up the broken hearted, cleansed the lepers. I was all of that and when I came back and after I survived the certain death experience I was still left severely injured and you know lifelong depressed on medication.
Sid: Why didn’t God just physically heal everything, right now you still have scars on the outside; one of your eyes is lower than the other one, why didn’t God just heal the whole thing?
Mickey: I don’t know maybe it’s my trademark that…
Sid: I’ll never forget you.
Mickey: People say that have known me for a long time they say “Mickey I think God’s healing you more.” Well, that maybe it’s been some time but it’s amazing what He’s done for someone who’s never was to walk again, to be a snow skier and ski in the Alps last year and play football with your kids and have 4 beautiful children.
Sid: Now how did the doctors explain what happened to your eye?
Mickey: They have no explanation according to the doctors I was blind for 5½ years and God restored my sight, doctors have no explanation. Under the microscope they claim that, under a stereoscope they say I’m blind and God restored my sight; I was blind for 5½ years, I was paralyzed in a wheelchair. The one leg began to get healed the other leg didn’t. I had a metal leg brace on and in one second God completely restored that leg; a professor of neurology at the Medical University in Iowa said “I would not hesitate” and here’s a guy that was at best an agnostic hesitate to call what happened to him, “A creative miracle not a healing”
Sid: Now how’s an agnostic say that; an agnostic but that’s a good question?
Mickey: I called him out of a crowd and the power of God hit him and he went unconscious for about 2 hours and he got saved and became a very strong disciple.
Sid: Now you heard things that we’re to happen in America and were going to happen in your life. I’ve seen you minister in the prophetic miracles take place when you pray. Tell me some of the things that the Lord showed you when you were in Heaven.
Mickey: I saw in the earth great conflict in the nation of America; of course this was 1968. Which was like a year of snapping, we had the assassination of Martin Luther King, Robert F. Kennedy, protests over the Vietnam War, we had for the first time going to the moon. It was the unusual year. Also I saw the severity of the witchcraft that was involved with the drugs that were involved with the drugs that were going to be sweeping in our country and how powerful that was going to be. Very strong like the grief sensation over how severe that was. Of course this was a time when a lot of people were just experimenting with marijuana and LSD. In 1968 there was a massive change and going from just experimenting to really believing in all diverse spiritual realities. I began to get healed enough to be able to go out; I thought the whole world had changed, all the music, the hippies and all that love and peace and all that stuff. Really feeling like I wanted peace because I experienced supreme peace and I wanted to see it dissipate in lifestyles that could not ever really provide that. Because one it’s not of this world and you cannot obtain it in this world, if you don’t have it inside you can’t get it from some commune or drugs or some kind of lifestyle. Jesus says “I give you peace,” it’s peace that’s within and joy is not happiness and plentiness, joy is eternal. Happiness is circumstantial. I’ve had circumstances that were very… could bring about unhappiness but I had the joy of God, and joy is eternal.
Sid: And you know what you share there was a cousin that at the same time that you were clinging for your life she was in travail; was this an unusual experience for her?
Mickey: I didn’t find out about this until 11 years later when my father passed away and I wrote letters to the family. In those letters, and these are all to hyacinth to unbelievers. Dad had a rough life and the good news is that he found peace with God. I explained how my dad came to know the Lord and then I shared my testimony and then I get this letter back from the Midwest. It starts out “I can’t believe that our lives are supernaturally intertwined after all these years.” I’m thinking “What is this?” It turns out these people were nominal church goers and they had belonged to some kind of a prayer thing and you pray for people once a week and they heard that we were having problems. My parents were divorcing over my father’s drinking problems and at the same time they’re praying for the Robinsons in Ohio. My cousin had never heard of the baptism of the Holy Spirit, she was praying this grocery list of things and just included the Robinson’s in Ohio. She got hit with the power of God wept all night praying in the Spirit and pinpoints the exact moment of my accident. God took that little tiny pray for the Robinson’s in Ohio and worked with that. See God has designed the universe and that’s why worship and intercession were offering is…you may not think that you’re very big but when you love God get’s connected and she writes me this letter and I call her up and she’s at a very low point. She had a incurable ear disease, I prayed for her and God healed her ear; she received the infilling of the Holy Spirit it is incredible. You see how else God somehow is connected to the universe that he works through people’s spirit.
Sid: But that wasn’t all that happened to you in addition to dying and having your body as messed up as a human body could be.
Sid: You meet the woman you’re going to marry because God showed it to you. Your married 2 years and then she leaves you, what happened?
Mickey: Well, put it this way I lived in two worlds, the world that I had seen inside me plus the culture that was around me and to fit in the world I didn’t know what my purpose was in life; I was glad to be alive I was glad I was in love, but being affected by the spirit of the age. Which was you know eating vegetables and living out on a farm and doing all of that. And God brought me to a place and I began to pray and I began to meet Christians but I didn’t know about being in fellowship, I didn’t know my history was in my life, my real history that I was connected to the Lord with a covenant. He began to convict me so much in my life. Every time I opened the Bible it was like a spear went through me but I wasn’t living a disciple. I had Jesus healer, I had Him as Savior, but I didn’t have Him as Lord; God brought me to a place where He was stripping me down of everything I had to be willing to surrender even my wife. It didn’t make any sense because I knew God had given her to me and I had seen her in the Spirit, but…
Sid: Did you actually the tell the Lord that I’m going to follow You even if I have nothing?
Mickey: I did, He brought me to a place of brokenness that’s worse than the airplane crash. I didn’t care about anything anymore except God’s will, but something I did have was this beautiful woman and she’s going to leave me and it didn’t make sense. Sometimes God gives you vision and gives you things, then let’s that vision… you be willing to lay that thing down so you can really have it freely, and I had to do that. While we were separated she filled with the Holy Spirit and she was always in my shadow. She had been kind of a you know her home life was like kind of abusive, verbally and all that, and was just beaten down. Well, she experienced the freedom of God thinking that she’s never be with me and she called and we were together forever. So she experienced God a part from me in a very ecstatic way; I had to release her to God; I said “Lord it doesn’t make any sense that we would be separate but if for some reason we can’t be don’t let anything bad happen to her, the moment I prayed that she got filled with the Holy Spirit.”
Sid: Okay you are a man that has been broken multiple times, emotionally and in every area of your life and you have such a relationship with God; you’ve been to the third Heaven. Is the only for people that are as crushed as you were?
Mickey: Sid you don’t have to go through a crisis, a plane crash, have a drug problem you can just realize there’s got to be more than this and I want what God wants for me; and just surrender your life to Lordship of Jesus Christ and He will become the Lord of your life and He’ll order your steps. That fights with human nature we want to be in control and the dark-side thinks he’s in control but you’re going be subjected to someone. I’ll tell you I’ll put it this way my life was a whole lot better with Jesus being Lord than me being lord. I wish I’d have done it without have to come to that extreme and I think that’s part of the message that I have is that God can bring you from extreme but our life is extreme enough. And we were born terminal, and we can have eternal life we’re all going to face it sometime, don’t put it off.
Sid: Mickey you have a passion for God that you literally transmit this in this teaching “Show Me Your Glory.”
Sid: I’ll tell you what Mishpochah I just love being in the presence of God. The man that I’ve been interviewing all this week he is a prophet, but more important than that he is a mentor. His name is Graham Cooke from England and Graham I have a copy in my hand and it’s so filled with so many nuggets of all the years that you have been learning to hear God’s voice and walk with God. It’s called “Approaching the Heart of Prophecy” tell me about the book.
Graham: Well, I wrote it for people who really want to understand how God thinks, what God is like in terms of His own personality, His own character, His own nature. Because it’s the unchanging nature of God that actually drives our spirituality; in fact Revelation 19:10 says “It’s the testimony of Jesus that is the very Spirit of Prophecy.” What you know about God drives everything that you are and everything that you do. So the whole book for me is this is what God is like, this is who He is, this is how He thinks, this is how His heart works, this is what you can depend on. This is how you can know Him in the context of all of that you can actually become that heart and that voice and that way of thinking to people around you by using the gift of prophecy.
Sid: And the thing that I think is so wonderful is that you not only teach in this book, but then you tell people; you give them assignments and then you quote famous mystics from like Saint Martin of Tours he lived 316 to 397. You have these great mystics of the early centuries that have almost been lost. I think that it’s been lost for us to understand how to hear God’s voice, how to be led by His Spirit. We just got such a cerebral gospel and a cerebral churches today.
Graham: Yeah, I think for me Sid I think I put those in because there’s a school of thought that says that you know what happened in the early church is one thing, but now we have the Bible. I wanted to show people that all the way through history there have been people who have been hearing the voice of God doing supernatural things and being incredible in their generation.
Sid: Who’s your favorite that you read a nugget from that you could share real quickly.
Graham: Smith Wigglesworth.
Graham: He was a…one of his key comments was “Fear looks, faith jumps.” (Laughing) So he was always, “I know the Lord has laid His hand on me so be filled with the Holy Spirit.” And that was always his thing was “Just believe, just believe, fear looks, faith jumps.”
Sid: Alright I want some people to jump right now not to look. On yesterday’s broadcast the Holy Spirit came upon you and told you to pray for people that need a job. And so I’m going to admonish those people before you pray for them to not just look around but do something. You pray for them now.
Graham: Yeah, Father I thank You, I thank You that You are the God who deals with despair, You’re the God of the down trodden. You’re the God who love who loves to lift us up, loves to give us expectations beyond anything that we can imagine or even think. And so right now in Jesus Name I pray for a miracle, those of you that are without employment, no visible means of support, I want you to lift your hands right where you are and I’m going to pray for you. I pray in the Name of Jesus that you will receive a miracle, even in this next week that will enable you to find gainful employment. For some of you who need to move to a different neighborhood, who even need to move into a house that God will bless you in your endeavors, that the Holy Spirit will come upon you; He will give you favor with Him. And the Lord says to you don’t go for the ordinary job but go for the extraordinary, go for a job that’s bigger than what you can imagine. Because the Lord is going to bless you, He’s going to honor you and He’s going to favor you in Jesus Name. Amen.
Sid: Well, there’s such a presence of God on the Show at this moment I have to believe that God wants to do something more, what more does He want to do right now?
Graham: You know the thing for me about the Lord Sid is if you think of the time when Israel were in captivity in Egypt.
Graham: You know those people would have been, they would have had dreams but some of them that’s all they’ve ever known is a life of oppression they were born into slavery, they were slaves. See can you imagine on one hand what their dream would be, it would be well I’d like to eat two meals today. I’d like not to get beaten today, I’d like my daughters ribs not to stick though her skin. So my question is “What is God dreaming at that moment in time.” He’s not dreaming about survival, He’s dreaming about giving them homes they didn’t build, vineyards they didn’t plant and wells they didn’t have to dig. That’s how far and above God wants to be for each one of us, and so that’s the dream of God. It’s always above and beyond anything that we could expect or even imagine, that’s the land that He wants to take us to in the Spirit. So for me that translates into take physical sickness right now. There are people listening to this show who have ulcers, who have there are children right now who have Leukemia; there are people that have brain tumors. There are people who have been told that their physical condition is irreversible, but not to the God who knows how to dream. Not to the God of the impossible, some of those people if you have a condition that you have been told is irreversible and that there’s no hope for you then we’re going to connect you right now with the God not only of hope but with the God of favor, it doesn’t matter if you don’t know Him right now, He knows you. So I pray just hold your hands out and “Father I pray in the Name of Jesus, I ask for, I take authority over that spirit of infirmity, I take authority over a spirit of death, I bind it, I curse it’s power in Jesus Name and I command life to come into those bodies. I command miracles to come, I command tumors to shrivel, I command leukemia to die in Jesus Name. And for cells to come back to life; I command that bodies will be physically healed in Jesus Name and you will now know the touch of God on your physical body even as I’m praying in the Name of Jesus. And that you will know that the God of miracles is present in your life and you may connect with Him for the first time or you may reconnect with Him in Jesus Name because God is coming after you.”
Sid: Graham the thought has crossed my mind right now you talk about people running to various revival meetings and they’re wonderful but they have encounters with someone else’s anointing what do you mean by that?
Graham: Well, I think for me the priority of a prophet’s ministry is not necessarily to prophecy it’s to teach people how to hear the voice of God for themselves. But even more than that the whole role of a prophet for me is to give people a radiant idea of God, this is who God is, this is what He’s like and He never, ever changes. And so the God who was the God of Moses is going to be your God too. The God who was the God of David is on your case too, He’s after you as well. The God who walked with Paul will walk with you, He has never changed and he never will change.
Sid: When you become a demonstrator of the supernatural you immediately demand the attention of a nonbeliever.
Graham: Yeah, exactly, yeah just like these people that I walked up to their house, it’s an awkward situation. What’s happening is it’s out of the blue suddenly their doorbell rings and they’re there and there’s a guy there and suddenly they’re having an encounter with God. And it’s a little awkward.
Sid: It sure beats the pastor that’s praying “God, send the nonbelievers into my church.”
Graham: Yeah, yeah.
Sid: Somehow we have this thing backwards.
Graham: We’re not here to introduce people to church, we’re here to introduce people to Jesus.
Sid: But you know what it seems it’s almost like we stay in remedial reading our whole walk in the Lord having a one man show, there’s got to be a better paradigm.
Graham: Yeah, yeah the whole point of ministry is to equip the saints so that they can do the work of the ministry.
Sid: No, no no the whole point is to build the pastors vision.
Graham: (Laughing) So I think you know what we are about.
Sid: Graham I believe someone can ahold of your latest book “Approaching the Heart of Prophecy.” Read it, do the stuff that you tell them to do, they’ll end up being just like the people they read about in the gospels and the Book of Acts. They couldn’t find buildings large enough because people will flock to them. That’s what you found you knew nothing and you had over a hundred people that you probably personally were involved with coming to your meetings. Graham can they do with you do?
Graham: Anyone can do it, hey Sid if I can do it, trust me anybody can do it. (Laughing)