Sid: I have Charles Vance on the telephone and Charles Vance went from total poverty to being in the to 1% of the wealthiest people in the world and he used Kingdom principals.  Many, many Bible believers actually think it’s a sin to prosper.  What is God’s will in reference to money?  I can’t think of a better person to answer that question than Charles Vance.  Charles, what is God’s will according to money?

Charles: Sid, when I was a kid growing up in school, they had us to do the pledge of allegiance, we did by the way, One nation under God and we also did the Lord ’s Prayer as we started our daily studies.

Sid: Things have changed.

Charles: Yes, they have changed a bunch.  I read that prayer literally thousands of times, the Lord’s Prayer, probably didn’t have a clue what I was saying  just learned to recite it.

Sid: Listen, as an unsaved Jewish person growing up in schools that used to do that, the big thing was to be able to read from the Bible.  And sometimes I would read from the Bible and I wouldn’t have a clue of what I was reading.  I just wanted to get up front and to read from the Bible.

Charles: (laughing)  Well, I remember this Lord’s Prayer and a few years ago spoke to me and said, you really should read that.  So I started reading the Lord’s Prayer and I read Our Father which art in Heaven, hallow it be Thy name, which mean Holy is Your name.  Your Kingdom come Your will be done in earth as it is in Heaven.  And boy something stopped me and got me right there.  Jesus just said, this is the way, he told his disciples, this is the way you need to pray guys.  He didn’t say you need to pray these specific words but after this manner therefore pray.  Thy will be done, God’s will be done in earth as it is in Heaven.  Well, I had to ask myself a question.  How are things in Heaven?  I started asking myself this.  Is anybody lost in Heaven?  Well, the answer to that is obvious, no.  Is anybody sick in Heaven?  The answer to that is obvious again, no.  Is anybody poor in Heaven?  The answer to that is obviously, no.  Well then, God’s will be done in earth as it is in Heaven, it caused something to come alive in me.

Sid: Let me add one more, is any one fearful in Heaven.  Absolutely, not.

Charles: You can go on and on and on Sid.  But what it did for me is it gave me a parallel to what God wanted actually going on on the earth.  He wanted things on the earth to be like they were in Heaven.  And I’ve heard people say, you know I grew up in a real traditional church and I’ve heard people say, well bless God when we get over in Heaven everything is going to be all right.  Well, Jesus said pray that it is going to be like Heaven in the earth while you’re here in the earth.  That gives me a standard to start living by.  And I can take you to scripture after scripture that God is not a Man that He should lie.  The Word of God is settled forever in Heaven.  The Word of the Lord doesn’t change.  God doesn’t change.  Jesus Christ, the same yesterday, today and forever.  And then I had to ask myself the question, well God created man in His likeness and after His image.  Was God poor when He created man?  And the answer to that would be obviously, no.  So He created man to be a person of prosperity that would prosper because He told him, He blessed them and told them to multiply and increase and take dominion over everything that he had created.

Sid: You know, the greatest graphic example I can think of is Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden before the fall.

Charles: Oh absolutely.  To me it is another standard of understanding God’s will for mankind.  When I do that I can look in Revelation Chapter 21 when God restores everything.  When satan is put in the bottomless pit, when the Anti Christ and the beast is stopped from their activity on the earth.  We see there is no more crying, there is no more sickness, there is no more death.  There is no more pain.  There is no more want and it’s all restored.  That word Eden, means pleasure.  It was a garden of pleasure.  God’s will has not changed.  It’s almost as if the church lives in some sort of time warp thinking that, yeah I know that it was God’s will back then, and I know that it is going to be God’s will because He promised that we are going to have streets of gold and walls of jasper and gates of pearl why it is not going on now if God doesn’t change?  My answer to that question is,  we’re not following the principals and operating the laws of God’s word in our lives every day.

Sid: But isn’t it true Charles, that if people follow these laws and get a lot of money they may take their eyes off of God.  And so maybe it is to their best interest not to get a lot of money.

Charles: You know, I’ve heard people say that Sid, we must have grew up in the same town together and not knew it.  (laughing)

Sid: Washington, D.C., no  (laughing)

Charles: No, I remember hearing people say that and if that’s true why doesn’t the devil just back a dump truck load of money in your yard and dump it there?  If that’s all it took to get someone out of the Kingdom of God was for them to get money, was for them to backslide, to turn their back on God.  Why isn’t the devil prospering everyone?  Well, I can tell you why.  Because the Bible says prosperity comes from God.  The Bible said, 3rd John verse 2, Beloved I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health even as thy soul doest prosper.  It is the Lord, Deuteronomy 8:18, It is the Lord thy God, not satan that it’s the Lord thy God that giveth thee the power or the authority or the ability to get wealth.  So God wants to bless us.  He want us to prosper.  He wants us to increase.  If we don’t know that, I’m convinced if we don’t believe it, it is going to be impossible for us to work His laws and principals so that we can actually access the prosperity that He has for us.

Sid: There is a great deal to talk about tithing and you know, I’m reminded of a young man that saw his parents, and the young man was a Christian and his parents were Christian.  And he saw his parents go bankrupt and he said they tithed faithfully and they loved God and they went bankrupt, so I’m not going to tithe.  What would you do have said to that young man.

Charles: Well, I’ve heard very few stories like that, but on occasion I’ll hear a story something like that.  But, most of the stories that I hear about tithers are blessings that come into their lives because of it.  You know, I have to be cautious.  If I’m on an individual bases because I don’t want to hurt people’s feelings.  It is not my intention.

Sid: Well, that is why I didn’t mention names.

Charles: It is probably because you are not believing God to give you the promise that you have that He has already placed in the Word of God for you as a tither.  And if you don’t believe God, the whole Kingdom of God works by faith.  The just shall live by faith the Bible says.  So, if I’m not operating in faith.  I can walk through the motions, Jesus sais that there’s all kinds of people that say, Lord Lord or call Him Lord that will not enter into the Kingdom of God.  Why won’t they enter into the Kingdom of God?  It wasn’t done by faith.  They weren’t doing something out of their heart.  You can walk through the motions of doing, following the instruction of the Word of God.  You can follow them to the T.  But if doesn’t come out of your heart and if you’re not operating by faith, the  principals of God will not work in your life.

Sid: You know what I have found?  And I was telling you this before we went on the air,  that most of my family and my friends operated in Kingdom principals not even realizing we were operating.  It came from generation’s back who did realize what Kingdom principals were and God’s prospered us.  I like to say, I had a Jewish mother that took care of everyone of my needs.  She was a good Jewish mother and then when I came to know God, He takes care of all of my needs.  I just kind of expect Him to.

Charles: Oh, absolutely, and it is a faith issue.  You know, you probably didn’t go to your mother when you were four or five years old and start crying and say, Mommy I’m afraid we are not going to have anything to eat this evening.

Sid: No, the thought never touched my radar.

Charles: And, it’s because you had faith in her and you’d been trained to have faith in her.  There are a lot of folks that get into church now a days that have not been trained to have faith in God and it’s like their starting from ground zero.  The Bible says faith comes by hearing and hearing.  It’s a repeating of a process.  The things that we hear the most we will eventually believe.  If we are hanging around people that say that doesn’t work or this doesn’t work or that principal.   I knew somebody that did that and that didn’t work.  If you hear that more than you hear the instructions of God’s Word and the promises of God’s Word, you are going to believe that over top of God’s Word.

Sid: Tell me about this teaching seminar, four teaching CDs entitled “Prospering in Hard Times”

Charles: Well, I’m very concerned about the economy and the state of the United States’ government right now.  I’m really concerned that some of this is actually being manipulated to control people and it bothers me.  If I think about it or talk about it a long time my voice gets a little deeper and a little stronger and a little more powerful and I almost feel like getting up on a soap box.  But, we don’t have to operate on the principal’s of the world.  If I’m in the Kingdom of God and I have faith in the principals  and in the laws of God, God has given me promises that will surpass anything or anybody on this planet.  We teach these laws and principals from God’s word that have changed people’s lives literally all over the country and really believing all over the world.  Because as you teach the laws of God when people hear them enough, just keep hearing them.  They will develop faith in them and as they apply these principals to their lives, their life is going to change financially.

Sid: I’m curious, do you know if people use this in third world countries, they would prosper?

Charles: We are teaching this every time we have an opportunity.  I just went to Haiti last February and when we got to Haiti.  I thought I’m going to teach on faith.  We were doing a Pastor’s conference.

Sid: Oh, will you continue on Tomorrow’s broadcast.

SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernaturally. I call my guest, Julie True, a stress-buster psalmist because the presence of God is literally so tangible. But you know, Julie, that didn’t happen over night and I told you this, I surprised you actually on the radio interview, that someone told me that late at night after the family’s all put away, all your responsibility is over, you would slip out of your house to a cold barn in cold weather and worship God. Why? Why would you do that? It’s cold out there.

JULIE: Well I was desperate to know God more and, you know, it’s just a get-away in the midst of daily challenges. It’s a time to go and be still and be with God, and that’s how I learned to express my heart to God. And it started with sometimes old hymns and sometimes just singing scriptures, and sometimes it was just singing my heart to Him. But that’s where I grew with it. It was a secret place for me.

SID: And you told me before we did this TV show you were alone in your hotel room. Tell me what happened this morning.

JULIE: Oh I had a wonderful time with God this morning. And just, I think it started from I started writing in my journal thanking God. I feel like thankfulness opens up the heavens and it opens up things in the Spirit. And I just feel like it’s a principle. It has been for my life. And so I was thanking God for all that He’s doing and all that He’s showing me. Anyway, I just felt warm inside and felt like He was near in my room and it was just wonderful.

SID: You know what I feel? I feel that He’s on this set and I know that He’s going to invade you wherever you are right now. When Julie, and she doesn’t worship for people, she worships for God, and you can come along. When Julie does this, what are some of the things that are happening from people that hear your music?

JULIE: Well I’ve had marriages that have been healed and even pets that have been affected by my music, and there’s been Alzheimer patients, a suicide person who was getting ready to commit suicide and God stopped him in his tracks, and lots of people with sleep disorders that write me and tell me that my music has helped, an autistic situation.

SID: Tell me about Hope Seth and her baby.

JULIE: Well she said that she had tried a bunch of different music and she couldn’t get anything that her baby could sleep to, and so she started using my music and that was what helped her baby go to sleep.

SID: And I asked Julie before this television show, what is your favorite song from your new CDs? And, you know, and that’s very difficult for someone to do, but she immediately said one that is so special to me. Tell me the story behind “I Breathe You In”.

JULIE: Well my husband and I direct a healing ring in Franklyn, Tennessee where we minister each week, we pray over people who need physical or emotional healing and it’s all built around a time of soaking worship and prayer. And so we had started the healing rooms that day and I just was settling my own spirit. You know, a lot of times I do that to speak to my own self to be still and put my hope in God. And so I started to sing and I felt like the Lord just kept bringing up the scripture of “I abide in you and you abide in you.” And it’s as easy as just breathing. And so I began to sing, “I breathe you in, we breathe you in, and abide in you and abide in me.” And it just was a special moment for me.

SID: Julie, I believe if you would sing this song to the Lord right now and if you would breathe the Spirit of God in as Julie sings this song because it’s as easy as breathing the air. Do this by faith because there is such a presence of God in this studio. There’s such a presence of God on this worship. Let’s hear Julie True.

[music]

JULIE: [singing] We breathe you in, we breathe you in Holy Spirit. We breathe you in, we breathe you in to us. We soak you in, we soak you in to our beings to every cell. We soak you in, we soak you in to us. And we abide in you, you abide in us, I abide in you, you abide in me. I breathe you in Holy Spirit. I breathe you in as my life. I soak you in to the deepest part of me.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth your investigative here with Samuel Kanco. Samuel was formerly a fourth generation witch doctor. He was able to turn himself into an animal and one day he got… he’s from Ghana West Africa and one day something woke him up. He thought it was one of his demonic spirits and he was literally, he wasn’t his own man. He had to take orders and this spirit said ‘take a bath.’ He said ‘why should I take a bath?’I mean I don’t have to get clean to go put a curse on someone and kill them. So he took a bath and then an invisible hand pulled him for the first time in his life into a church. It was an Assembly of God church. You went into that church and what happened, Samuel?

SAMUEL: When I got there people knew me there. The pastor knew who I was and so he said are you coming to joke with us? We know who you are, we are not joking here; we are worshipping our God. Something unusual happened to me so he didn’t know what was wrong with me. If he had knew he’d have ran and prayed. So I was there when the sermon went on and finished and said who wants to receive Jesus? The hand pulled me up again, pushed me there. Then the most wonderful thing is that when the church closed I thought that the hand would leave me alone. The hand was still on my back pushing me. When I got to my room; it was about 1:30 in the afternoon; so he pushed me into my bed and I fell asleep. Then around 12:30, 1:00 in the night someone woke me up. It’s not a vision, it’s not a dream. I opened my eyes and there was a white man with a thorns of crown on his head.

SID: With thorns?

SAMUEL: A thorns of crowns on his head. The blood was oozing, the blood was here.

SID: Blood was in his hands.

SAMUEL: In his hands, then my jaw got locked. Then I was speaking in my inside. I said I did not kill a white man.

SID: What made you think you killed a white man? You saw this man with the blood?

SAMUEL: I don’t know, I saw the man with blood I said look I kill black people. I am in black land. I am in Africa. I kill black people. I can’t deny that but I never remember killing a white man. That is what I was saying. I never laid my hand on any white man. Why this man is here with blood and thorns? I never put anything on anybody’s head; and I never pierced anybody’s hand, but why this man is looking at me like this? Then he disappeared. The following morning, I went to the pastor and told him my story and he was laughing at me. I said are you kidding? This is not something to joke. I said I saw a white man but pastor honest, to be honest I never laid a hand on any white man. I’ve never killed any white man. Then he prayed with me I went back to sleep again for the second time. Between 2:00 in the morning and 2:30 the man came again, my jaw got locked. I said I don’t remember killing any white man. The following morning I went to the pastor. So when I left the pastor I sat down and tried to remember if I have ever – no! So on the third time, on the third day he came then he spoke he said for this cause that I came, that you might be free. I was tortured, I was hung on the tree, I was killed, and on the third day, I rose from the dead. Now these are the evidence of what I’m saying. Now I have forgiven you of all of the things that you have done to humanity. I have the power to forgive. Now I want you to go to my church and then speak to my people what you have seen, what you have heard. And then tell them the devices of the enemy and set my people free and then he disappeared.

SID: You know what’s so amazing? Is this is the mercy of God a fourth generation witch doctor but you know what I want to find… you have been, ever since then, helping people be set free and you have ability to see spirits in people.

SAMUEL: Yes you see while I was serving the devil I lived in the sea for 12 years. Now I lived in the sea I have never seen any city that is so beautiful and pretty like the city under the sea.

SID: This was a city of the devil?

SAMUEL: Spiritual city… The devil, the devil the street was gold – imitation. Whatever is there is computer. I mean if you want to drink water, you don’t reach out your hands and do anything – press some buttons and it would just come.

SID: You went there in the spirit?

SAMUEL: In the spirit.

SID: Yes, ok.

SAMUEL: It is there that I learned a lot of things. Some of the popular people, some of the movie stars some of the people, politicians, I saw them there. I won’t mention their name but I saw them there and I was shocked now that is where I learned the demon in charge of cancer; the demon in charge of homosexuality; the demon in charge of poverty; the demon in charge of fashion; the demon in charge of confusion; the demon… I learned all these things.

SID: So when you were a witch doctor you could literally assign these demons by name to people.

SAMUEL: Yes, so if I want to put cancer on you I go to the demon in charge of cancer, he comes on you. If I want madness, I go to the demon in charge of madness and he comes on you. If I wanted to get you with poverty I go to the demon in charge of poverty, I come to you. If I wanted to destroy your marriage I go to a certain spirit, a certain demon in charge of marriage. He’s also in charge of marrying people, whether you are a man or woman, he will marry you.

SID: Is there a demon in charge of homosexuality?

SAMUEL: Yes! Abadan.  Abadan is behind lesbianism, homosexuality, incest, abortion, and masturbation, is being controlled by Abadan. Now the reason why homosexuality is so strong is that Abadan is a principality and he controls 50,000 demons plus numerous, uncountable evil spirits for destruction. He’s so strong, because he is a principality and because of how strong he is he has demons working under him he has so many demons working under him he has so many spirits working under him so he is so strong that is why homosexuality and lesbianism are so strong and so powerful.

SID: I’ll tell you what, hold that thought. We’re really getting insights into the invisible world. The good news is now that he’s on our side he can command these spirits out. I’ll have him do this when he comes back.

SAMUEL: I am going to do that.

SID: Don’t go away; I know you won’t.

Sid: My guest is so in love with the Lord. And as she worships the Lord literally her love for the Lord and the Lord’s love for her pours out of this music.  And Julie True I happen to think the reason that even little children, babies crying, it calms them down is this love of God pours right into their spirit.  What do you think about that?

Julie: We’ve had countless people respond to that, mothers have told us about their children who wouldn’t sleep and then they were able to be comforted.

Sid: I have a picture here of a little baby and a mother, Hope Seth. I guess this is when her daughter was just a little younger, the cutest picture.  Have you seen that picture with the ribbon around her the top of the head?

Julie: Yes.

Sid: Is that cute? I mean, I wish everyone could see that particular picture.  But I caught up with Hope Seth and let’s hear what she told me:

Recorded message:

Sid: I have Hope Seth on the telephone and she had a new baby daughter.  What happened Hope?

Hope Seth: Yes, well shortly after she was born, you know she would be real fussy like most babies are and we would try all kinds of different things to get her to calm down.  We would walk, we would bounce her, but I found that one day I thought well I’m just going to put on some worship music and see how she responds to it.  And so I had Julie True’s CD here and I put it in, and within maybe 30 seconds she had completely calmed down.  I found that when we would go on car rides and she would get fussy I would have another copy of her CD in the car and I would play it, and again she would totally be still and actually fall asleep.  I even tried, I thought I would mix it up; I was like let’s try some classical music and let’s see what would happen.  Nothing worked like Julie’s music did.  It really was amazing.  In fact, my husband when I would have to go out to the store, he would be like, please don’t leave me here without… don’t take the CD with you.  I would have to leave it here for him in case she would get fussy. We would just put it on and it would still her.

Sid: And you have a neat description of Julie’s music. What is that?

Hope Seth: Yeah, you know, it reminds me of peace packaged in music a lot.  I really kind of thought of it a lot like probably King David when he was called in to play for Saul.  That there was actually peace or an anointing that rested on his music as he played that stops things or torment.  That’s what it felt like. It felt like there was just peace on that music and as soon as it would begin to play, she would be still and quiet.

Sid: Thank you.

End of recorded message.

Sid: I have to believe that so many babies are calmed down, the reason that people with insomnia are able to sleep, the reason in this stressful world that were living in.  Someone can just close their door put on your CD Julie and experience that peace.  It kind of reminds me of David when he would play the harp before a mad man, King Saul.  He was mad, so mad, that he wanted to kill David one time, but it would just calm him.  It would just take away every evil thought and all stress.  I have to believe that’s the reason so many people are getting healed when they listen to your music, and that is why it is being used by so many healing rooms.  But some people’s reaction is a lot of crying.  What do you think is going on when they cry, when they hear your music?

Julie: I believe that God’s touching them and you know it’s tapping into places in their own heart, the cries of their own heart and it’s a cleaning.  It really cleanses you.

Sid: Do you remember the guy in the United Kingdom that cried for three days, tell me about him.

Julie: Well, he had had all kinds of physical sickness. And it’s a very long story of how all kinds of things he had struggled with all through the years, and he started listening to my music and just started feeling like God was showing that there was an inner connection that was effecting his outer physical ailments.  And so anyway, this one day he was listening to the song called “Meet Me Here”, and he said that the Lord just dropped the word rejection into his spirit. And he realized that that was a revelation of about what had affected his physical sickness and it was the rejection, and I believe from his parents.  And so anyway, he cried and cried and cried, and so it is a period of cleansing that happens sometimes when God taps into a deep place in our heart and it brings healing.

Sid: And the thing that I find kind of interesting is once someone is cleansed, and then many times they break out in joy when they are listening to your music. It’s kind of, they go through that whole cycle.

Julie: Yes. There was one man from another country, Korea I think, he said that he was just jumping up and down and laughing after he had had this whole period of weeping and weeping and God just filled him up.  It is like he got cleanses and let go of all this pain, and then he got filled up with the joy of the Lord.

Sid: Tell me about this selection how you happen to it. In all of Julie’s music it is spontaneous; it is the Spirit, the singing.  Tell me about the song “Let Your Joy Rise Up.”

Julie: Well, we were in the Healing Rooms again one day, and my partner in there that was praying she started feeling like we were suppose to tap into joy and just kind of begin to receive the joy of Lord.  Well, I was not feeling at all joyful.  There was a lot going on, a lot oppression of my own world at that moment. And so I believe though that you can speak things that are not into being basically and that we have a lot of power in our words.  And so I just began to start speaking, let the singing, “let the joy rise up, let the joy rise up in me” and you can tell when I beginning to sing it that it is not like I’m all there yet, but I am just speaking it and singing it into being.  We can all do that.

Sid: Well, why doesn’t everyone do that right now. Let’s hear, “Let Your Joy Rise.”

Played song.

Sid: You can see why we have so many reports of people being healed, so many people that have problems with insomnia, babies being able to sleep.  There is a supernatural peace that is imparted from Julie True’s music.  If I was to say that the one thing that this does, and you realize that doctors say most problems, most physical problems that people have is involved with stress.  This is a stress buster, that is what her music is and so I want to make her two latest CDs “Breathe You In” and Sounds of Healing available.  We have a bonus because when you understand the principles of soaking that’s been literally stolen from us, but were getting it back.  Were beginning to understand how you can soak in God’s presence and soak in the life of God and soak out the problems in your life.  We are including Cindy Parton’s CD which teaches you how to soak, how to set up a soaking room even if you want for other to participate.  How to hear God’s voice, how to enter into His presence, that bonus CD and the two music CDs by Julie True, we call it a mini soaking kit.

Sid: The wall of separation has come down to form one new being, one new man and this new man has a name, in Hebrew, Yeshua in English, Jesus.  That’s what Paul meant when he said the reason that Jesus came was to break down that middle wall of separation between Jew and Gentile to form a brand new species of being. A full dwelling place for God and that is what we are about ready to see Mishpochah.  My guest, Katie Souza has got what I know is the key, the revelation to reach the Jew.  Why do I say that? The Bible says the Jew requires a sign.  It also says, in Roman’s 11:11 Salvation has come to the Gentile to provoke the Jew to jealousy, in other words, to move in signs and wonders to provoke the Jew to jealousy.  So if you can understand the revelation of all of the healing that is available to us in Jesus, you can not only walk in Devine health, but you can reach Jewish people.  Who then can reach the Gentiles, the two; arm in arm will embark in the greatest revival the world has ever seen.

Sid: Now Katie, on yesterdays broadcast you said you had just got out of prison and you had seen some healings, but God directed you to Bethel Church in Redding, California.  You went there and a couple of housewives grabbed hold of you.  They laid hands on you.  There was a tangible impartation of the healing anointing.  You went home because your mother had been sick with a horrible disease for twenty-five years.  It was literally eating her hip bones and other bones from her body and she was in agonizing pain there was nothing the doctors could do for her.  You really wanted answers to healing.  You get home, you lay hands on her.  You’d feel something going on like a switch comes on.  You feel power of God going into her.  You are convinced she is healed but she is not.  Then your Dad, you did the same thing for.  He had a prostrate problem that he needed surgery for.  He gets instantly healed and you know there is some sort of blockage and the Lord reveals to you what the blockage is.  It is in the demonic realm, but he gives you an understanding that there are orders of demons.  The strongest, the weakest and the strongest, is the king.  And if you can get rid of the king, if you can knock the king out of the demonic kingdom over that sickness then all the other demons flee as if in terror.  So you understand this, now. This revelation from God, what do you do about it?

Katie: Well, I saw that when Goliath was beaten, that his army instantly fled, so I knew that it was truth.    When you start at the top and work your way down that the powers and the master spirits underneath these kings are going to leave, and I saw Jesus doing it.  I was like, I want to Jesus doing everything.  Because, if Jesus does something then that means it’s totally biblical and it is the way that He would do it and He was always successful in every healing that He did.  And it says in the scriptures that Jesus took out the kings.  Do you remember the showdown in the desert with Him and Satan?

Sid: Right.

Katie: It said that Satan said to Him, they took Him up on the high mountain and he said to Him, “Let me show you all kingdoms.  If you just bow to me once to pay homage to me I’ll give you all these kingdoms.  He wasn’t talking about, fancy cities like Jerusalem or Egypt.  He was talking about his demonic realms,   his kings, where all kingdoms were where all his kings were in positions of power.  And Jesus took them out in the desert.  Now remember this is Jesus did that in the beginning of His ministry before He even started doing signs and wonders and healing.  And from that point on because he took out Satan and the kings first, every power and master spirit Jesus came up against just submitted to Him without a fight, because Jesus knew the right order in fighting the kingdom.  He started from the top down. So when I got that revelation I was like okay, I got to take out the kings first.  There are kings over Mom and I need to know which one it is Lord and He said well, one of them is in Isaiah 14. So I went to that chapter and sure enough Sid, it was about a king and his name was a satanic king of Babylon.  As I began to read the scriptures about him, I knew that the king of Babylon in the natural was the king that had taken the Israelites into physical captivity in Babylon.  Well, the satanic king that’s his same job.  He’s in charge of physically imprisoning us in our body.  And as I read in the Amplified in Isaiah 14 all his job descriptions, you could see that he “caused us pain,”” weakened us,”” troubled us.” Wow, those are all things that are talking about the body, the physical body. So, I began to make war with this king against Mom.  And, you know what?  I didn’t even know how to do it.

Sid: I was just going to ask you.  How did you make war with this king?

Katie: Right, well in the beginning, in this teaching that you are offering I give, step by step instructions on how to fight the kings.  But for me in the beginning, I had the basic most important.  I had the scriptures.

Sid: By the way, speaking of the scriptures.  I thought, that when I was looking over my notes on your teaching.  I thought that it’s amazing what Isaiah 14 reveals that this king of Babylon does.  I mean, it sounds like ever disease you can think of.  Pains and everything connected with disease.

Katie: Right, those were like his job descriptions.  He weakens us, “he lays us prostrate”.  I mean that is so description of diseases and bodily affections and I thought this guy indeed is a king and he is in charge of causing our physical pain and illness.  So when I saw that I knew that the scripture was proving what God was saying to me. And so, not knowing anything else to do, but just having the most important thing, the word of God.  I just began to read that scripture out loud and decree it against this king that was over Mom.   One of the things it said in that scripture is that we take up a taunt against him and he would fall from his position of power.  Now, you see the demonic realm is based in the second heaven.  So, as I began to fight and command him to fall, I could feel burning on my legs, Sid and power being released from my stomach.  And all of the sudden in an open eye vision, I saw this being look like a man falling through the clouds down to the earth.  And when I saw him, he was even screaming.  Ah. Ah and as I saw him I said, what was that Lord.  And the Lord said, don’t you remember when that happened? And he brought to my mind the scriptures about the 72 and they were given the same anointing that I had gotten at Bethel.  The Matthew 10 anointing that drives out demons and heals the sick.  And he said that when they went out with that anointing and they came back they were like, Jesus wow, even the demons submitted to us in your name.  And Jesus said, well I saw Satan fall like lightning from the sky.

Sid: That’s exactly what you saw in your vision.

Katie: Exactly. And so there it is. To me that proved, wow this revelation is true.  Wow it really works.  Wow I fought against that king he actually fell from the sky. Because Jesus wasn’t just talking about Satan falling, he is talking about Satan’s kingdoms his kings and their kingdoms.  I actually saw him fall so I knew it was working.  And that night we went over to my mother’s house, me and two of my team members.  We started praying for my Mom and in the middle of it, one of my team members, Jean, stood up and she had an angel feather stuck to her shirt, Sid. Here is the thing. Mom didn’t have any down blankets or pillows in that room, nothing like that. When I looked at that feather, I said God what is that? And I heard in my mind Acts 12:10. When I went to it was about the Angel of the Lord breaking Peter out of prison.  Right there I knew that God was saying, yes it worked.  That king was over your Mom.  You commanded him to fall.  He fell and now the Angel of the Lord came in response to your prayer to break your Mom out of prison and he left his calling card behind.

Sid: So what happened to her hip?

Katie: Well, first what happened is she was delivered of addiction to dilaudid which is a prescription equivalent to Heroin.  She had been addicted to that for 10 years, Sid.  That was completely removed from her body.  And then, about six months later, I had been releasing the Glory Light on her and we talk about that later, on her hip believing and commanding for it to grow back.

Sid: And that‘s that new revelation of the Glory Light, which is our bonus CD, which I am overwhelmed over the revelation that you got on that, so go ahead.

Katie: She had the one hip removed, but the other hip she had was about to be taken out because it was getting so thin.  The leg bone was about to break through the hip into the intestines.  So the Lord said release the “Glory Light” on that hip so that it can be strengthening and restored.  I began to that.  I was in Australia when I did it Sid.  I was in Australia and as I’m coming home I was in another…

Sid: It doesn’t matter how far away you are, just as in the New Testament and Jesus just spoke the word only and the Centurion’s servant was healed.

Katie: Long distant healing.

Sid: That’s right.

Katie: Jesus did it so we can to.  As I was coming back to America, I was in another state and the Lord said now her leg bone is not in the joint of her hip.  You need to command it to come together, bone to its bone.  He actually gave me the word thundering.  I was like thundering?  I did a word search on thundering in the Bible and it was in that scripture with Ezekiel.  It says there was a shaking, a rattling and thundering and the bones came together, bone to its bone.  So when I saw that after I heard the word thundering, I got so excited.  When I came back home, I got off the plane, I ran over to her house, I ran into her room and she didn’t even know what I was doing.  And I began to command those bones to come together for that leg bone to go into socket. I didn’t even say that. I didn’t even say l for the leg bone go into its socket.  I just said come together bone to its bone and all of the sudden, Mom goes ouch.  I said ouch what?  And I thought I had hurt her or something and she goes I had a pain. Well what kind of a pain?  She said “well it was not really a pain, it was more of a feeling of like when the ball of a truck goes into the hitch of a tailor.”

Sid: To make a long story short because we are running out of time. She got off her drug addiction, and more important, you learned some key principals of healing.  You’ve have learned so much more since and you’ve put together your Healing School which is six CDs. Which I believe are many of the missing keys of healing revealed, especially healing in the glory.  How to heal soul wounds in the glory.  The keys to having unsaved people saved from the glory.  We are making that available in the bonus CD, the Glory Light.