Our Guest Doug Jones
Sid: I have on the telephone Doug Jones. Doug has been a professor at Rhema Bible School for over 20 years. He was the head of the healing school for 9 years. He traveled a lot with Dr. Kenneth Hagin. I have to make a public confession, I move through supernatural words of wisdom and knowledge, and it’s very seldom when I minister in a public setting that people are not healed. But I have had more than my shares of disappointments of people that have stood on the word of God, called Word of Faith Teaching, or Faith in God’s Word Teaching. I am a 100% convinced there’s healing in the atonement; I’m a 100% convinced God’s not a respecter of persons; I’m a 100 convinced that God wants everyone to be healed, but I’ve had a number of disappointments. Layer upon layer of disappointment, I will never back off of my position of God’s healing in the atonement; God’s healing God’s word. I can’t back off of that! I have to tell you I got a hold of 2 of Doug Jones books on healing. One is called “Understanding the Healing Power of God” the other, “Positioning Yourself to Receive Healing.” I tell you that light bulbs went on. I see where I personally have been missing it, and if I’ve been missing it how about you? You know I go to a Benny Hinn meeting and I see half a dozen people get out of wheelchairs, and praise God those are wonderful miracles, but what about the 500 go back home the same way they came? I’m interested in them; I’m interested in them appropriating their healing. So this is why I want you to eaves drop on my conversation with Doug Jones. Doug I have to be candid with you, I just was I’m not seeing the results that are in the Bible. I believe that you have uncovered so many keys I have to believe the best insight you got was was in running the healing school connected with Rhema Bible School in which people with life threatening diseases came from all over the world to be healed. You must have learned a lot.
Doug: I learned a lot during those times. Ministering healing Sid, day in, day out, 5 days a week, Monday – Friday, almost every week of the year for 9 solid years, and you’re going to stumble on something’s just automatically just doing that.
Sid: I mean I have to tell you, I feel so almost dumb after reading your books and the light bulbs go on. But it was almost like a… When I had so much failure for so many people it was almost there was a fog over my thinking.
Doug: Yeah.
Sid: It’s like the anointing on your books just opened it up (Laughing)
Doug: Yeah, yeah very definitely so. Well you know as well as I do Sid, that the Bible says very plainly “We’re being destroyed for a lack of knowledge.” In Isaiah chapter 5 verse 13 it says “My people have gone into captivity because they have no knowledge.” It’s very clear to us that truth must be revealed to us before freedom can be enjoyed. You know John 8:32 “You shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free.” So for me ministering day in and day out to the sick I discovered… I thought for years that unbelief was the big issue. I thought that unbelief was the number one reason why people were failing to receive they’re healing. But Sid as I studied the word of God I began to realize that unbelief, the very nature, the very core of unbelief is rejection. Anytime you see unbelief mentioned in the Bible in most cases you’re going to discover the ingredient of rejection present. Thomas hearing that Jesus is alive all of a sudden he says “I will not believe!” There’s an ingredient of rejection. He heard but when he heard he rejected what he heard as truth, that’s unbelief. It’s impossible Sid to be in unbelief about something in which you have never heard that’s ignorance. If you have never heard about it you can’t be in unbelief about it because you’re ignorant of it. Ignorance and unbelief are two different things. Unbelief comes into your life when you hear something and you reject it as truth. So I began to realize that about unbelief and I looked back into the people that I had ministered to and I thought to myself “Now wait now, these individuals are hearing the word of God, they’ve got their Bibles open, they’re taking notes, they’re nodding their heads yes… I mean they’re so thrilled with what they’re hearing they’re buying 5 tapes of the same service and passing them out to people that were not there. They were accepting what they were hearing as truth. They couldn’t be in unbelief about it because they’re receiving it with joy.” So I began to realize “Now wait now, if it’s not unbelief as the number one reason why people are failing receive their healing, then what could be the number one reason?” I’ve come to this conclusion Sid it’s ignorance.
Sid: But wait a second in this country in the United States of America we have more Bibles per square inch, more Christian television, Christian radio… how could it be ignorance?
Doug: Well that’s the interesting issue, and that’s a great question. There’s ignorance about two arenas. I heard the Lord say this to me and since then I’ve heard other people say the same thing. You teach the God side first then teach the man side it makes the man side a whole lot easier.” Sid there is a God side to healing; there is a man side to healing. If we’re ignorant of either arena, then that’s going to cause us difficulty in obtaining our healing through faith. Now I’ve seen people who are ignorant of the God side and so they’re incapable of doing the man side. I’ve seen people who are knowledgeable about the God side, but they’re having difficulty doing the man side. There’s a God side and there’s a man side to every subject in the Bible. There’s a God side to walking in love because in order for me to be able to love you, or to love my fellow man, I must first of all know how He first loved me. John 13:34 “A new commandment I give unto you that you love one another as I have loved you.” There’s the key right there learning how He loves me helps me to learn how to love you. “Husbands love your wives even as Christ loved the church and gave Himself for it.” Well if I’m going to love my wife which is the man side, the duty of man, the responsibility of man, then I have to be knowledgeable bout how He love me because I am to love my wife as Christ loved the church and gave Himself for it. So there is a God side to healing, and there’s a man side. What I’ve discovered is this, is that there are 4 issues about God that we need to have within our grasp; we need to have within our belief system in order to be healed by faith. Let’s just go ahead and mention them just very briefly then I’ll let you go the direction you want to go. There’s 4 issues about God we need to know:
- We need to know above all else that it is God’s will for us to be well.
- Once we know that it is God’s will for us to be well, we must know that God’s a giver. What good is it to know that He wants us to have something but then not know that He will give it to us upon approach? We can talk about that later on.
- The third thing we need to know about our God is that one method through which God gives is through the laying on of hands. What’s so marvelous about the word of God is that it reveals to us that God gives healing to people through a number of different methods like laying on of hands. You can call your pastor up and have them anoint you with oil in the name of the Lord, and pray the prayer of faith and the Bible says “The Lord will raise you up.” You can have handkerchief or an apron placed upon your body, and there’s some other methods too.
- What He gives when hands are laid upon you is the healing power of God.
So the 4 things about our God that we need to know is:
- That it is His will.
- That God’s a giver.
- That God gives through hands (that’s one method).
- What He gives is healing power.
Now the ignorance issue comes into this play Sid and that is this, is what I discovered was is the majority of our people, they were knowledgeable about the fact that it is God’s will for us to be well. They’ve been taught that subject, they’ve been taught very well that God wants them well. You know over the 9 years that I taught at healing school I don’t think I taught on the fact that it was God’s will for them to be well. Maybe but 2 or 3 times because the people that were coming to me were coming from churches who had taught their people well that “God want’s you well. That it’s the will of God for you to be well.” AND… they also taught them about the fact that one way God gives is through hands. But what I found that they were ignorant about is this issue about God a giver, and they were ignorant about what God gives and that’s healing power.
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