Sid: I’ve got on the telephone a man that has devoted his life to research. He’s worked for many Christian organizations in research and many secular organizations such as Walt Disney, Ford, the US Navy, the US Army. And the amazing thing is because he’s also a strong Christian, is he sees trends that are occurring. His books have made him almost a prophet because what he sees by the statistics and the research and the polling methods he’s able to analyze and predict what will happen in the future. Tell me what you see Christianity like in America 20 years from today George Barna.
George: Well Sid, we know that we study many, many different things going on there’s some things that I think really stand out that help us to understand how the future church will be shaped. One of those has to do with new leadership that emerging; we’re in the midst of a generational shift right now where the builder and boomer generations who have pretty much had a grip on the pastorate in most of our churches and most leadership positions and ministries are moving aside. So we’ve got the two younger generations the baby busters and the mosaic who are now stepping into some of those positions and they have a very different style much more of a collegial style a team leader based style that will change things. A second trend and of course that we see….
Sid: And of course we’re used to the one man show.
George: Oh yeah and these two generations that are merging have no interest what so ever in performance base leadership; to them it’s really about people coming together and being collaborative in using everyone’s respective gifts to bring about positive change.
Sid: And isn’t that really the Body working together as a team verses an island unto themselves?
George: Very much in fact if you go back in the book of Acts and you look at how did the initial the early church orchestrate what it was doing. You find that it’s an unusual group of characters that were the leaders of that early church. They had different gifts and even they had to find out their way to figure out “How do we not become the church of Peter, but how instead do we become a church of individuals who work together to accomplish greater things as a unified group than we can as individuals.
Sid: So we’ll always have our “Charismatic type leaders.”
George: We will but one of the things that you find about an effective leader is that they recognize how to use that charisma to point people toward a vision from God rather than to draw people toward themselves. That’s to me one of the marks of what really drives a leader; is what are you motivating people to get involved with. Is it the advancement of your career, is it the development of your popularity, those kinds of things, or is it really about going back and praying and listening and understanding why has God brought this particular group together at this time as the body of believers. There’s some unique sense of purpose that He has for us that if we do not fulfill that the Kingdom of God suffers.
Sid: So it’s not a cookie cutter religion.
George: Oh, it can’t be, it can’t be. You know as you look at everything that Jesus did; every time He talked with somebody He orchestrated the conversation and the relationship and the activity based upon who they were, what’s the circumstances were. I think one of the things that He was trying to teach His disciples is this is not about having the magic formula that you repeat over and over. It’s really about understanding the need of the individual, the principals of the Kingdom, and bringing those two things together to reshape the individual to be more in the image of God.
Sid: Now we’re talking about, at least you’ve listed a few from your book, the 7 Trends leading to the new church. Tell me some more of them.
George: Oh another one that’s really a challenging one has to do with the worldviews that are taking prominence in our culture today. Certainly one of the most prominent if not the most prominent world views is that of post modernism. And some of the elements of post modernism can be very challenging.
Sid: What do you mean by post modernism?
George: Post modernism is kind of moving after modernism that everything is logical and rational. Post modernism essentially says “Well, you have to understand first of all that there is no such thing as absolute moral truth; you as an individual determine what’s true in your life and nobody can tell you if it’s right or wrong that’s up to you you dictate that.” The way that you determine these things is largely based on emotions and experiences as opposed to any kind of transcendent truth that may have been delivered to us by God Himself. Now when you look at the fact that today most people under the age of 35 have that kind of postmodern perspective particularly in relation to moral truth, moral spiritual truth. Well, that’s a direct contradiction to what scripture teaches and so right off the bat we’ve got a real challenge here in terms of how do we then connect with our culture when by in large their perspective would lead them to say “Well, you know Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Scientology doesn’t really matter they’re all the same because there is no absolute moral or spiritual truth.” And so what that does it challenges us to rethink then how do we propose to a population that by enlarge does not believe that such a thing can exist as absolute moral truth. How do we engage them in a dialogue that helps them to see the ends of their own perspective and how that really is antithetical and not only to their own wellbeing but also to the order of the universe and everything that God has created within it?
Sid: So how do we?
George: Again it goes back to I think part of what Jesus was doing, you look back in His day certainly the Romans of His time had a very different perspective on truth. I think Pontius Pilate you know kind of summarized it best of all during the crucifixion time when he said “Truth, what is truth?” You know kind of sneeringly rejecting the whole idea that there is such a thing that we can put our finger on. Jesus and Paul I think maybe a more prolific example that we’re giving in scripture of how do you engage people in a process where you’re talking, you’re debating, you’re conversing, your experiencing things together that cause us to go deeper and deeper and deeper. Almost a syncretic approach where we challenge people thinking not like calling them wrong, not by saying “Well, if you don’t believe the Bible you’re an idiot your wrong. But instead by asking them questions about what they believe, why they believe it, what the bottom line implications of those beliefs are if you play them out to their very end point.
Sid: You know what your forcing them to think for themselves.
George: It’s a scary thought I know.
Sid: Tell me some other trends that are going on with this new church.
George: We’re finding out in our culture today particularly with young people they have no room or time or willingness in their life to address things that they perceive to be irrelevant. If you cannot customize things to their needs, if you cannot help them draw the connections from whatever it is your purposing to who they are or where they want to go or what they perceive to be significant they won’t give you a second thought. So the whole issue of not teaching things because we can teach them. Not teaching them because they’ve been taught in the past, not teaching them because we don’t know what else to do, but tying our key principals to the things that matter in a person’s life, that’s what gets their attention. That’s what gets their mind and heart and so ultimately we have the chance to introduce them to the living God and see transformation happen.
Sid: Tell me what the impact of technology will be on the future church.
George: Well, it a huge one even if you look at our churches today what you find is right now we’ve got a bout 2/3’s of all protestant churches that are using the big screen projection system. They’re using email to communicate through email blasts, they’re using websites to communicate. So what we’re find is that the more and more people are reliant upon these new means of technology to have information and ultimate truth communicated to them in some meaningful fashion. We’ve done some studies on what works and what doesn’t work in terms of teaching and preaching. And again in particularly with the youngest two generations we’re finding that if it’s almost imperative that we use some of these technologies to not only take advantage of the fact that people learn in different ways. But to give them different perspectives on the same information by giving them something visual to look at through a movie or a video; by giving them something that grasps their attention through music that’s audio based; by giving them something that’s relational through the kinds of personal conversation and accountability. By getting them involved in an activity that takes a principal and makes it real a more kinetic type of learning experience. I think all of these different things together is critical.
Sid: Now what is relevant to communicate to these new people.
George: Let me just quickly identify three other trends that we find because it really answers that question Sid. You know that relevance to them has to do with relationships, it has to do with involvement in the world around them, and it has to do with grasping meaning for their life. And so as we look at technology as we look at events, as we look at anything that were trying to do we always have to come back to “But what is the need of the audience that we’re attempting to minister to; the individuals that were part of that whose lives we want to see changed to become more Christ like.” And so much of the answer to that has to do with “Well, we have to help you develop authentic relationships.” Realize that most people in America today, this has been fascinating in our research with young people with elementary and secondary school kids they are not taught how to make a friend. They are not encouraged when they do make friends, they get no positive kind of feedback in terms of the development of the friendships and the relationships that they’ve made. So even when they do something well, they often discard it because they’re not getting much positive feedback. So this whole notion of “How you develop a friend, how do you love somebody, how do you demonstrate com…”
Sid: That’s a very relevant subject to talk about.
George: Oh, it’s huge, it’s huge and you know what we find is that kids love that stuff, young adults love that stuff because another thing coming out of our research is that so many of them feel like they never really had a parent that they connected with. And so there is…
Sid: God is so amazing, He’s an amazing God and that’s what I’ve been talking about all this week with SJ Hill; I’m talking to him at his home in Hawaii. For those that aren’t familiar with him he has taught at some of the most outstanding Bible Schools in America. Why are they so outstanding? Because they…not just Bible schools but they’re centered on the presence of God. He’s been on the faculty, the Brownsville Revival School of Ministry, he’s a Professor Emeritus at Fire School of Ministry; he’s been on the staff of Mike Bickle’s Forerunner School of Prayer. But I am so excited about his newest book it less than a year old it’s called “Burning Desire” because it’s God’s burning desire to have a relationship with you; a love relationship with you. And on yesterday’s broadcast we were talking about what you call this sacred marriage proposal; SJ would you continue?
SJ: Yes, I wanted to highlight some things from the scriptures to enable people to really grasp this because I know we’re talking a language that’s foreign to a lot of people. Most people don’t see the Bible as an eternal romance. I mean they wouldn’t even use the word romance in the context of our relationship with God. Some may even think that’s a little sacrilegious but you know God uses certain kinds of language and I even believe He ordained the Hebrew language to really convey the passion and the poetry and this summitry of His love and what burns in His heart for human beings. And I love to view God as Father, I love the language that conveys God’s deepest feelings for me as Father. I love that word Father. But there’s something about bridal language even though we guys maybe get uncomfortable with it there is something about that bridal language that takes this whole thing of God’s love to another level; that’s why we kept stressing the fact that human history began with a wedding, human history is going to conclude with a wedding. You know when Yeshua came on the scene in Matthew Chapter 9 He referred to Himself as the coming Bridegroom. John the Baptist in preparing the way of the Lord simply refers to himself in John 3:29 as the “Friend of Bridegroom.” I mean of all the things he could have said about himself he simply referred to himself as the “Friend of Bridegroom.” You know I think John the Baptist has been given a bad rap I think that people look at John and you know he’s this funky prophet who eats funky food and wears funky clothes. And they think he was pretty hardnosed pretty hard core but I tell people as I travel around the world you know that John again like the prophets of old with the jealous love of God forerunner. With the jealous love of God for a wife who had lost sight of the beauty of her husband who had given her heart to other lovers and John the Baptist never addressed the common people the way he addressed the religious leaders of his day as we make that distinction because again John the Baptist was facing a religious system that was killing the future bride of Jesus. He was confronting the religiosity you know the religious spirit was having Israel more concerned about external issues than issues of the heart and God’s wife was getting ripped off and I could just feel the intensity in what John the Baptist said. And again it was all tied into the fact that John came to prepare the way for this beautiful bridegroom Yeshua who was going to pay the ultimate bride price so that His bride could live with Him and enjoy Him forever. As we get into Paul’s writing Paul again from his heart cries out and says “Oh that I could espouse you to one husband that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.” I mean the language is bridal Ephesians 5 the whole thing between a husband and a wife is to be a dim reflection of the passion, the intimacy, the transparency between Yeshua and believers. We get into Revelation chapter 3, again people look at this stuff and they think well, you know even Jesus in the book of Revelation looks pretty hard core but again when you understand the pure jealousy of Jesus’ heart for a lukewarm people then you can understand you know what He’s saying there. When He says “I would rather have you cold or hot don’t be lukewarm.” And you know as a husband I understand that, I don’t want my wife going through the motions, I don’t want her even responding to me intimately out of duty. You know I want her submission I want what she does for me to be a response of love. I want it to come from her heart and as we said yesterday on the broadcast Sid, you take this whole bridal thing out of the equation and you end up misunderstanding the Bible so much. And so I’m really thankful that you’re giving me this opportunity on the radio to really share my passion.
Sid: You know not only do most Christians not understand the bridal concept they are looking at the Old and the New Covenant through Greco-Roman eyes and it’s kind of getting our vision out of focus. For instance in your book you talk about the Greek view of the world and the Jewish view of the world and how different they were. Would you explain a little?
SJ: Yeah, as I said the other day the Greek view of God is so twisted that he’s aloof, he can’t be touched with feelings to the Greek view the human body was evil, it was the source of sin and the world was a place to escape out of.
Sid: Is that where that whole escapist view really got formed of well we’ll just spend our time here this is our penance so we can go to Heaven rather than a Kingdom view. It’s just let’s just get out of here quick.
SJ: That is exactly right and yet to the Hebrew way of thinking you know God was to be celebrated, life was to be enjoyed. There was no distinction between secular and spiritual to the Hebrew way of thinking; the body was not evil; marriage was ordained by God. You know a lot of the emphasis on celibacy that came up through the Catholic church you know came right out of a Greek World view. And you know probably even more than all of that Sid is the fact that you know in my research one of the things that I discovered a few years ago was that the Greek translation of the Old Testament, the Septuagint, translates Torah as law. And I think that’s one of the worst things that has ever happened to the church. Again I’m not saying the translators did it intentionally but you know when we come from a western world view and we see that word law what do we automatically think of?
SJ: Yeah, legalism, rules regulations and so we look at the Older Covenant and well, it’s all about rules and regulations. We look at the giving of the Torah on Mt. Sinai and again it’s all about rules and regulations and you hear this all the time. And you know years ago I was guilty of it myself so I’m not being critical of anybody but we hear so much about law verses grace. And you know I tell people now that they listen the Older Covenant was full of grace (Laughing) it was not…talk about law it was not about rules and regulations. In fact Paul says that one of the reasons why God gave the Torah was to show us, convincingly, that no man with all of his religious efforts can ever measure up to God. You know no man can win God’s acceptance, that’s why Yeshua had to come down to our level; He had to stoop and come down to our level so that we could be restored. But again you know the way it’s been preached, the way we’ve approached the Christian life. I was telling a Christian friend a few years ago I think that it’s so sad that we’ve taken isolated Old Testament passages judgment passages applying to an adulterous wife and we tried to make them applicable to sincere but immature believers. And you know a lot of our approach to preaching is still rooted in a Greek western way of viewing things instead of a Jewish-Hebrew way of viewing things. So this is one of my little you know pet peeves and again I’m not Jewish, but I just really want to see Jews and Gentiles awakened to the beauty of who God is and not misunderstand His intentions.
Sid: The whole paradigm is going to change when people understand and look at the bible through Jewish eyes rather than and Greco-Roman. For instance the Ten Commandments.
SJ: Yeah Sid my passion is to really have believers understand that what happened on Mt. Sinai was not about rules and regulations; it was not about law per say; it was about a sacred marriage proposal between God and this Hebrew nation that actually came to be His treasured possession. And I just burn with a desire to see this younger generation especially come to an understanding of the beauty of the God of the Old Testament so that they won’t try and serve Him out of cringing tormenting fear, but they would be so in awe of Him; that they would want to give their hearts to Him and that they were obedience would be a response of love.
Sid: Well, there are so many areas that God has just burdened you to teach on. How did you develop your original passion for God?
SJ: Well, you know being raised in a Christian home I grew up scared to death of God you know the legalism that was a part of our holiness movement really messed with my mind and I’m not playing the blame game Sid it’s just that..
SID: I’ll tell you something, I just enjoy praying in tongues whenever I hear Karen minister. I’m not sure what gets triggered, but something gets triggered deep in my spirit. Well Karen is just a young girl, 17 years old, went to Bible school .And she went to Heritage, PTL Club, and she was in Bible school. Jim Baker saw her and next thing she knew she was on the PTL Club and she ministered with Jimmy Baker, many other people. She really got started early. But in the ’80s, we know that a lot of disappointment, a lot of crushing, a lot of ministry began to tumble a little at a time. But her life really tumbled. You see, she was betrayed by her husband. And Karen, there are many people watching right now that can relate. I know the Bible says we’re supposed to forgive. How did you forgive your husband and others?
KAREN: I learned in that journey that forgiveness is a process. First it is a decision that you make and then it is a process that you walk out. One of the most significant events in that experience for me in that time was it was fresh in the experience. And I remember the Holy Spirit speaking to me one day in prayer and he said, “I want you take a chair and sit the chair in the middle of this living room. I want you to kneel in front of the chair and call out the names of each person involved in this betrayal, and release them and forgive them.” And Sid, I will just never forget that day. It was so impacting on my life. I can remember like it was last night. I knelt at that chair, that empty chair. And in the spirit I took each one of those people. I knelt in front of that chair just saying, “God, I will to do this.” And I began to call their names one at a time, and I would speak the name, and I would say, “I forgive you. I will in my heart to forgive you.” You are free to leave the prison of my pain and my hurt. You are free to go. I drop the charges.” At one point I looked up to God, I remember I looked up to God and I just screamed at the top of my lungs, “God, I don’t feel this because right now I hate. I have never known hate. Right now I am angry.” And I said, “But because you tell me to do it, I choose to do it, and as an act of my will I will to release them.” And I found out an amazing thing was happening. As I was setting them free, God was setting me free. What I was doing for them, God was doing for me. Because God says, when you forgive others I can forgive you. So what we do for others in forgiveness we’re able to receive the fullness of healing and forgiveness for ourselves.
SID: Question. Did you feel you wanted vengeance?
KAREN: I remember in prayer one day, I was praying, not long after the chair, at a time when I was crawling-the-carpet kind of prayers.
SID: I understand.
KAREN: And I looked up to God and I said, “God, your word says I can’t take vengeance on these people, so I commit them to you.” And it went just like this, and I put my feeling to the ceiling and I said, “But God, give me one thing. Give me vengeance on the devil. The devil did this to me.”
SID: Do you like that? On the devil that did it to her.
KAREN: And I said, “And God, here’s the way I want it.” Because you can get specific with God. I said, “Here’s the way I want my vengeance.” I said, “Number one, give me a song of healing a deliverance, and let me sing that song to more people than I’ve ever dreamed possible.”
SID: Okay. You’re going to do that right now.
SID: If you’ll go back to the set I want you to hear Karen Wheaton singing, “Taking it Back.” It’s time to take it back. You know why? Because enough is enough.
KAREN [music, singing]: [unintelligible] I know this means war so I’ve got my armor on. It won’t be like it was before because enough is enough, and I’m coming to get my stuff, and I’m taking back what the devil stole from me. He steals, kills, destroys, but he’s a failure at his best. I’ve got my sword in my hand, and I’m here to pass this test. I said enough is enough cause I’m coming to get my stuff, and I’m taking back what the devil stole. Let me tell you. The devil thought he had my mind. He made a big mistake ’cause I’m fighting back this time. And this pressure is going to break because enough is enough, because I’m coming to get my stuff, and I’m taking back what the devil stole from me. Come on. I want everything God’s got for me. Yes. ‘Cause the Word says resist the devil and he will leave. I want everything God’s got for me. His Word says, greater is He that’s in me. So I came here for today for remittance. ‘Cause I’m taking back what the devil stole from me. [unintelligible]. I know this means war so I’ve got my armor on and things are not gonna be like before. Enough is enough cause I’m coming to get my stuff and I’m taking back what the devil stole from me. He steals, kills, destroys, but he’s a failure at his best. I’ve got my sword in my hand, and I’m here to pass this test. ‘Cause enough is enough cause I’m coming to get my stuff and I’m taking back what the devil stole from me. I want everything God’s got for me. His Word says, greater is He that’s in me. I want everything’s God’s promised me. The Word says greater is He that’s in me. So I came here for today for remittance because I’m taking back what the devil stole from me. I’m taking it back. I’m taking it back. I’m taking it back. Taking back my joy, taking back my joy, taking back my joy. Yes I am. Taking back my peace, taking back my peace, taking back my peace, taking back my soul, taking back my dance…
Sid: I’m interviewing Marilyn Hickey, why? She does what the Bible says she’s supposed to do, to me anyway. As a Jewish believer in Jesus the Bible says you’re supposed to provoke the Jew to jealousy; she does and I have to tell you why she does. She had the opportunity of seeing Branham, I mean he had, as far as I’m concerned, Marilyn Hickey he had one of the most outstanding ministries short of Jesus I’ve ever heard of. Was he that accurate, did he really know so many things about people before he prayed; what was he like?
Marilyn: Branham had an unusual gifting of the Holy Spirit, a visitation of the Spirit of God on him and he would tell you detailed things. Very gentle man, loving, not tall, not a big stature of any kind but oh the words he spoke. And the first time I heard him I had an aunt and uncle here in Denver from Texas. He pointed my aunt out in an audience of 5000 she had on a red hat; he said “You have a grand child who’s injured at birth, she has never walked and when you go home she will be walking.” Well, my aunt and uncle you know jumped up and drove to Dougherty, Texas, you know with 400 miles, and knocked at the door of their son’s house that Jerry had been injured at birth. And the mother answers the door crying and she said, “I don’t what has happened but Jerry has started to walk.” And the doctors said you know she had brain damaged she’d never walk.” She had a normal life, that’s the kind of detailed things he would give. And then my husband and I at 3 years after we were married we went to Dallas, Texas to “A Voice of Healing Campaign.” And he spoke there and a big crowd of people, maybe 6,000 people under a tent, hot, hot, hot in Dallas, and he called me out and said, “You’re not from here, you’re from Denver Colorado, you’re from a mountainous area, you want to have a baby and they’ve told you you can’t have one; go home and receive your baby.” But I had a radical experience with the Holy Spirit because as he’s facing me and saying this on the plate-form and I can’t explain this but it was like a wheel within a wheel turning.”
Sid: Well I’ve heard about that in Ezekiel I’ve often wondered about that, tell me I mean because this is actually biblical but what did you feel when this was happening?
Marilyn: Well, it was low and I knew the scriptures in Ezekiel but it was low and you could heard it and it would go swish – swish and I thought I was so frightened if I step into that I will die, this is the presence of God. And then He said, “Go home and receive your baby.” And that wheel within a wheel whirring came into my feet and it was not till ten years later that I got pregnant with Sarah. When I was pregnant the doctor who examined me said, “You’re not pregnant it’s impossible your going through the change.” So I went home and I had some pretty big changes. Went to another doctor he said “This is a five and a half month pregnancy,” and so Sarah as you know most people know, you see me on television, Sarah’s with me and that was such a miracle.
Sid: But I have to ask you something, 10 years from that word did you give up, did you think that well the guys finally missed it with me? What happened on your radar during these ten years?
Marilyn: (Laughing) Well Sid I’m a little embarrassed to say I did give up but my husband didn’t and we had adopted a child and I thought you know this is it. And my husband…
Sid: Your helped the prophet out by saying maybe he saw the adopted child, is that what you were doing? (Laughing)
Marilyn: I thought, yeah, help God you know so many of us want to help God and so then my husband said, “No Marilyn God is going to give us a natural born child.” So he is the one who really stood in faith. Sid I’d like to pray for people who are listening who would like to have a child, the only prerequisite you need to be married.
Sid: I think that’s wise (Laughing), but you know what, I’m going to have to tell everyone listening right now if you want a child it doesn’t matter what the doctors have said, it doesn’t matter what your experience is it matters if someone believes God and prays according to the word of God. And I have to tell you that Marilyn Hickey has a key word that I read in her literature, expectation. When she prays she expects God to answer. Please pray Marilyn.
Marilyn: Lord, I thank You that you said we delight ourselves in You, You give us the desires of our heart, You told us that the barren would produce. So I pray for everyone whose listening to this program, who would like a child, I pray that they have a wonderful, wonderful child; not a rebellious child a child who will serve God and You give them the wisdom to raise this child in the ways of the Lord. And I thank you that many people, there’s going to be an increase in population, many people are going to have that child, the desire of their hearts in Jesus Name.
Sid: Amen, Marilyn I want to take you a little further, no let’s go back a little bit, I want to find out how God gave you such outrageous, and that’s the best word I can use for it, outrageous faith to believe for miracles. I mean you go into Muslim countries, you have preached in Muslim mosques, for a woman to do this number one I don’t see how it’s possible in the natural, number two it’s got to be exceedingly dangerous. You didn’t just start out by going into speaking to thousands of Muslims advertising miracles will happen in Muslim countries, it started all the way back when you were 10 before you were even saved you used to literally read the Bible as a 10 year old. Why would you do that especially not being saved, especially being a child?
Marilyn: I can only say the Spirit of the Lord. God has a plan and destiny for everyone no one here is an accident we’re made in His image God put a hunger in me to read the Bible and I would pray and I even began to memorize some of the scriptures. Then when I got born again at 16, I mean I was wild over the Bible I couldn’t get enough because I had the Author in my heart.
Sid: But another key thing is as I study your life there are a number of key points that are very very obvious to me. You went to a Bill Gothard Seminar and he talked about the value of memorizing scripture, that had to be a major directive from God in your life.
Marilyn: That turned my life around in another way I shouldn’t say around, but gave impetus to what God had already put in my heart a hunger for His word and Bill Gothard told how he was retarded and you know they just pushed him up grade by grade he didn’t make it but they’d push him. And that he had a Sunday school teacher who began to teach all the boys to memorize scripture and he got into meditating on the scripture. Memorize is really meditating, and how his grades went up, he graduated as valedictorian you know and went through the university always meditating and God just spoke to me and said this is the theme of your life Joshua 1:8, and mediate on the word day and night; if you speak the word day and night; you do the word day and night you’ll make your own way prosperous and successful.
Sid: Marilyn there are many people and by the way and by the way having researched you I see your good in languages means you have a mind that’s easy to memorize. What would you say to someone that says “It’s so hard for me to memorize, I memorize three or four scriptures and by the time I get to the fifth I’ve forgotten the three or four that I memorized so I just don’t bother doing it any more what would you say to that person?
Marilyn: I would say take one scripture a week and your mind is fresh in the morning, mine is the freshest then. Say that scripture out loud ten times, now don’t ask me why ten is so good I don’t know. And when you say it out loud then God begins to move in your spirit and you’re canning the word. So I like Psalm 51:6 it says “Thou God desires truth in the inward man. In the hidden man you will make me to know wisdom.” So you’re canning the word. My mother used to can peaches in the summertime, we hated it, my brother and I had to sterilize the jars, peal the peaches, but we loved it in the winter time, there’s hardly anything better; well it’s almost better than kissing your husbands and eating home canned peaches. And the Lord said, “That’s what’s your doing when you mediate on the word, your canning it, you’re putting it inside and then the Spirit at the time you need it will make it bring it to your mind and make it wisdom. So these scriptures that you say, you know take one, take a promise.
Sid: And I like your idea of once a week and in fact God’s been speaking to me Marilyn that on the radio I should have one mediation scripture per week and I should say it every day the five days and everyone along, and myself included, will mediate on that one scripture per week so we’ll talk about that on tomorrow’s broadcast. But Mishpochah I have to tell you I’ve seen Marilyn for years on television, I’ve heard her teach, but I got a hold of her book “The Pathway to Miracles” and I have to tell you it is so charged with faith. You will have an expectation for miracles, and then her two CDs on God’s authority.
Sid: I want to talk about Esther the end-time book to the church; I believe Esther is a perfect type of a Gentile Christian. Why do I say this? Esther was an orphan, do you know orphan people were grafted into royalty became Kings and Queens in the Kingdom. Esther was beautiful, do you know that when God sees you he doesn’t see your blemishes; He sees Jesus. You are beautiful to God; Esther was young. Doesn’t matter how old you are Esther was beautiful and young, but Esther was smart. She soaked in oil and perfume for a year preparing herself for intimacy with the King. And smart Esther’s right now are soaking to anointed music and just saturating themselves with the presence of God so their smell is righteousness and Jesus and not the world anymore. Esther was a virgin; and you know Esther; I’m going to say Esther instead of church. You know Esther you could have been the worst prostitute in town but if you have repented of your sins He’s just and faithful to not only forgive you of all unrighteousness but say He has no remembrance of it anymore. That’s what’s so wonderful about the New Covenant Esther had favor; church you have favor with the King. Oh by the way Esther hid her Jewish heritage; no one knew she was grafted in to the olive tree, church. You are grafted into the Jewish olive tree. No one knew her connection with the Jewish people but that was okay that was God’s strategy for the moment, but then their came a time in which Esther who was the only one that could go to the king on behalf of sparing the Jewish people, she made her identity known. You know what Esther did? She equipped the Jewish people with the sword. You know what the sword represents; the word of God. And when she equipped the Jewish people with the Word of God they not only could defend themselves but by going to the Jew first it said “Many of the Gentiles became worshipers of God or Jews.” And that’s what the word Jew means “A praiser of God.” So you see even the Jew first concept was in the Book of Esther. But Esther could have remained the Queen, watched her favorite Christian television shows, listened to her favorite Christian radio shows; had more Bibles than she’ll ever read in a life time. She could have grown fat and had a comfortable life. But shortly all the Jewish people were going to be exterminated, murdered, butchered, raped, robbed, and Esther who no one knew had a Jewish heritage it was hidden for such a time as this. This is what Mordechai said to Esther in Esther 4:14. You see Esther thought she should get away with just taking up a collection and sending some clothes to Mordechai the one that was responsible for her even being alive today. You know salvation is from the Jew and this was the message Mordechai shot back to Esther. To the church, “For if you remain silent at this time, church, relief and deliverance will arise for the Jews from another place, but you and your father’s house will perish.” So the consequence for being on the wrong side of the Jew in Israel you and your father’s house will perish. Haman found that out, his sons found that out, those that were against the Jew found that out. Then Mordechai says to Esther, “Yet who knows, church, whether you have to the Kingdom for such a time as this?” If not now when? This is the set time to share the gospel with the Jewish person that God Himself had put in your path. And that’s why we have set up four you’re the most wonderful program. It’ totally God inspired, it’s called Project 77 in which you send us $77 and we have a mailing list of 1 million Jewish households. And we will mail a book that God himself told me to create called “They Thought for Themselves” to seven Jewish families. Not just an individual to seven Jewish families, we’ve sent over a million of these books to Jewish people in the former Soviet Union now it’s America’s time. We’re sending it to American Jews throughout North America; they’ve never been prayed for by name, they won’t know your name, but we’ll send you their seven names and you’re responsibility… I mean Messiah says “If you’re the Messiah’s” the same as Abraham seed well there’s a little responsibility you got to pray for your family to know the Lord. And by the way when you start sowing into Jewish evangelism watch how God will cause your family to come to know the Messiah… Just as Mordechai said to Esther “Esther who knows whether you’ve come to the kingdom for such a time as this.” Zechariah 14:2 tells us where we are in history. God says “For I will gather all nations to battle against Jerusalem.” All means all. You see as I’ve explained earlier when Israel does wrong God Himself punishes Israel. But when the nations do wrong, and shortly the world is going to turn anti-God you see it happening just so quickly it’s no longer the frog being boiled under a slow boil, a low flame. I mean it’s the flame is up morality of the world is down the toilet. The love of God; well you used to call America a Christian nation. Even our President said “America is no longer a Christian nation.” You see the handwriting on the wall. The only thing that will save us is revival. And the only way we can have revival is to follow God’s plan. He’s the potter we’re the clay. And God says “If you go to the Jew first it will open up a supernatural door to reach Gentiles beyond anything you ever thought or imagined. Amos says he describes the greatest revival the world has ever seen. Amos 9 says “They’ll be so much fruit from the harvest you’ll won’t be able to gather all of the fruit.” When? When the Tabernacle of David is restored. The word Tabernacle means family, the Jewish people. When the Jewish people are restored to God there’s this short window of God’s mercy. If you will reach out to the Jew first…If you will bless the Jewish people God says in Genesis 12:3 and there’s lots of blessings you can bless us Jewish people with. You can bless us with humanitarian blessings; you can bless us with helping to get to Israel. You can bless us by going to bless Israel rallies and all three God will bless you for. But what is the greatest blessing you can give anyone? Salvation.