Sid: We plain what everyone free and to be normal and it’s about time; what is normal? Read the word, read the New Testament and this is from the “emet” this is the truth. Yeshua, that Hebrew for Jesus said “You will do the same works that I have done.” It gets better by the way “And even greater.” No matter how many apologetics you apply you cannot get away from the fact that everything about the New Covenant is supernatural. And therefore if you’re not normal, get normal. I have a woman on the phone and her job is to help you get normal; her name is Kathie Walters. I’m speaking to her by way of telephone her home in Macon, Georgia. Kathie went to a nice wonderful church in England but there was no power. She read the Bible and even though it was a wonderful church it just didn’t satisfy. So she backslid and ran to Australia and almost married a guy in the mafia and supernaturally her life was spared when he pulled a gun out on her. She came back to England and got married and bumped into a real legitimate revival. Tell me at the best of that revival what was it like Kathie?
Kathie: Well, we didn’t have anyone to tell us how to have meetings you see we just had to rely on God. It started off in the houses people were just coming from everywhere. The thing about it was that God used everybody and the Glory of God was on everybody. When we eventually did move like into the town hall because there was so many people it was just the same. But the glory of God was on every single person God used everybody. It wasn’t someone at the front, we did have meetings for teaching the young Christians and specific things but when the family came together you know on Sunday morning or Wednesday, when the family came we never knew what was going to happen. You know it says when you come together everyone of you has some in tongues, interpretation and it really was like that and people would move under the anointing and it was like an incredible orchestra. You never knew what was going to happen who was going to do what. People in the end didn’t matter where you sat because the person next to you would tell you your name. I remember sitting in those meetings sometimes and you couldn’t look up because the light was so bright and the glory of God just…you see the key to me was everybody God used everybody.
Sid: Are we going to see this type of revival in America, is God going to give us another chance?
Kathie: Well, I think that enough people are getting hungry and fed up with the system now that they’re determined to find something.
Sid: And yet I read in my notes about you and you were talking to my producer you said that “The glory is going to come into churches, but there’s little likelihood that they’re going to keep the glory for a long period of time.” Why?
Kathie: Well, that’s because the people don’t get rid of their old mindsets, see you have to agree with the Spirit and He’s the Spirit of Truth. So you can have the glory of God that comes in and I’ve see it many, many times it comes in and God begins to move but people don’t change their old theology and their old mindsets in order to agree with the Holy Spirit.
Sid: You know I have some experience and not to the degree that you do of the more recent revivals that have occurred in the United States and I was at one revival where the pastor literally told a man that was laughing in the Spirit “Go out into the lobby area and put a towel in your mouth if you can’t control yourself.” Shortly thereafter the revival left.
Kathie: Yes, yeah, yeah. See because people want God to move but they don’t want Him to take over.
Sid: Is the operative word control?
Kathie: Yeah, they’ve been trying to control or make God fit into your box you can’t God doesn’t fit into boxes.
Sid: Kathie you talk about a term I have not heard previously and it’s very, very important for our Mishpochah, the people with a Jewish heart, it’s called qualifying spirit.
Kathie: Hmm…
Sid: Explain what you mean by that.
Kathie: Okay, I think that’s the biggest religious spirit in the body of Christ because it’s so subtle and I said yesterday it’s not anything that’s really taught but its implied. So how it works is you know if I ask people about salvation they know they’re saved by faith. But when I talk about the Spirit realm and the angels and visitations they feel not qualified because they don’t feel spiritual enough. They think it’s for that person and that person because they’re more spiritual, and their not kind of Spirit kind of person.
Sid: But not only that in the United States we have we’re professional spectator’s, we’re not participants in the things of the Spirit, were spectators in churches.
Kathie: But that’s because people don’t feel qualified. Take yourself or somebody near you right now and they feel not qualified for the realm of the Spirit, the supernatural, the angels, if they don’t feel qualified in any way shape or form they’re never going to receive all of their inheritance are they?
Sid: So how does someone feel qualified?
Kathie: Jesus said that “The truth will make you free, the truth is that Jesus qualified you 100% on the cross didn’t He?
Sid: Of course.
Kathie: If I ask people “One hundred percent.” So you have to ask yourself how then later on can you unqualified on something you never qualified for. It’s a simple thing, but if you can break through that spirit it’s a strong spirit and really get truth in you I tell people you can’t just listen to truth you have to get it in you. The truth is Jesus qualified you 100% and there’s no man and no thing and no organization that can take that away from you.
Sid: But what if someone says “Yes, but that’s not my experience I’ve been at these places and seems like everyone else get’s it but I don’t.”
Kathie: Yeah well then it’s the truth that sets you free so you have to embrace truth, that’s the truth.
Sid: So it doesn’t matter experience it matters truth.
Kathie: See because of all my head knowledge it has to do with all this head knowledge when we come into the things of the Spirit we started seeing things and learning healing, miracles, prophecy, heavenly things I remember saying to the Lord “Look Lord this is wonderful but if this is more head knowledge forget it because I’m not interested because it nearly killed me when I just had head knowledge.” So the Lord said Kathie “The realm of the Spirit the supernatural realm the angels, heavenly visitations that’s your inheritance, you just have to believe it.” So I decided to.
Sid: You have another terminology that I’ve actually used a lot but you have a different meaning for it. When I say replacement theology I mean the heretical view that the church has replaced the Jewish people, Israel, etcetera. But when you say replacement theology you have a different spin; what is it?
Kathie: Well, I just mean replacing those old mindsets like the one that I just talked about that qualifying spirit; there isn’t a believer that’s not qualified. If you’re not qualified that means Jesus didn’t do it good enough or something.
Sid: But what happens if you’re sitting in the same church for the last 20 years and you’re hearing great messages and you’re having great worship but all you do is sit there. How in the world are you ever going to enter in?
Kathie: Well, this is what I’ve been telling people. I’ve been telling them “Listen, Jesus deposited His life in you; He deposited His anointing in you and He’s looking for a return because He’s the Husbandman. So you better get somewhere they really are join up all your anointing and all your calling and all your gifting. Because if you don’t do that Jesus is going to say to you “What did you do with the anointing in your life?”” And you say “My church didn’t like it.” It’s not going to be an excuse.
Sid: You like to teach on whose inside of; who we really are, this new man is.
Kathie: Yeah.
Sid: That’s all part of us; why isn’t this part of the foundations when someone just get’s saved. Why is this just for the leaders?
Kathie: Well, that the western church you know, it’s just religious old spirits that have bound everybody up. Every believer has that anointing and calling gifting and I think why that first revival was so powerful is because it really was everybody. God used everybody, He used little children like my husband brings kids into the anointing.
Sid: I know I interviewed him; is that still going on like it used to?
Kathie: Oh yeah, he’s having an awesome time.
Sid: Tell me one experience that your husband had with a child.
Kathie: Well, he’s had whole rooms full of children lifted up into Heaven.
Sid: Oh, my goodness.
Kathie: …for two hours playing instruments with the angels, you can see them you can’t…
Sid: You don’t do that at you’re Sunday School, I think the people ought to go to Kathie’s husband’s Sunday school, but go ahead.
Kathie: (Laughing) Okay where did I get to, so God used everybody. I’ll tell you one little story because I love this story. But this was a Sunday morning and there was about 300 or so people and there was a little boy called Steven, he was 7. And he suddenly stepped out into the middle because we had like a middle and he put his Bible on the floor and he stood on it because he’d read something about standing on the word. So he put his handkerchief on his head and I don’t know why he did that and he began to sing I don’t know if you remember that old chorus, “I will bless the Lord at all times.”
Sid: Awe, sure I know that.
Kathie: Any way he sang two lines of this chorus and a wind came into the building and knocked 300 people off their seats.
Sid: Now that’s that normal, if you’re not having this in your church you’re just plain not normal. And Kathie wrote three books that we’re offering. One is called “The Visitation,” and it’s as a result of her experience of going to Heaven and she believes with all of her heart that everyone can have these Heavenly visitations. The second book is called “Living in the Supernatural,” and she has practical instructions and really encouragement to move you into the Spirit to expect the experience of the supernatural. Then the third book is called “The Spirit of False Judgment” perhaps the most important one for you to read because it tells you how to recognize religious spirits and that’s the problem of what’s going on today. These religious spirits love to move where you don’t know it’s them, but that’s what’s stopping you from breaking into everything that God has for you.
Tags: its supernatural, Sid Roth
Tags: its supernatural, Sid Roth