Sid: Hello Sid Roth back with Leif Hetland and all I know is that you’re all listening because I want to listen to this myself. So Leif is a man that doesn’t show any emotion because that’s the way that he was raised and that’s the way men are supposed to be. And he might at a funeral or something have a couple of tears come to his eye but he wasn’t a crier or a weeper. But you were at this small gathering in 2000 Jack Taylor is there the singer Dennis Jernigan is there and Dennis sings a song over you let’s hear a little bit of that Dennis Jernigan singing “Daddy Song.”
Dennis Jernigan: Dennis Jernigan singing “Daddy Song.”
Sid: And what happened to you Leif when he sang that?
Leif: I just broke down…I went down on the floor and I just totally broke down, I wept, I snotted, I drooled, I did everything. I laid there and…
Sid: But, but, but weren’t you concerned about what other people were thinking you told me that that was what drove your whole life.
Leif: At that moment nothing matters what matters is that something was taking place with me. It was Daddy Poppa God singing a song over me it was not like Dennis Jernigan singing my experience is God Himself singing the song over me that’s how it felt. And because it was these waves that started to hit me afterwards of just liquid…that’s the best way I can describe liquid love. It was just waves and waves and it wouldn’t stop they just continue and continue. And it is so hard to describe as they started to touch different parts of my life its almost to a see a movie in my life of painful things, questions I would have toward God “Why would You let this happen?” Different things that have happened but love just moved in there and just erased it and then…
Sid: You’re saying that this love was stronger than the hurts and fears that you had experienced throughout your whole life. It was so powerful it would almost cut it out through spiritual surgery is that fair?
Leif: It is definitely fair to say I’m not saying that everything took place but I will say there was such a transformation not just in me but it transformed everything about who I am. You would not even recognize the way I am today compared to what I was that day. So before an afterwards it’s just remarkable in regard to what kind of person because everybody calls me an ambassador of love, I’m known for the love…
Sid: But but, but let’s go back to where the rubber meets the road.
Leif: Yeah (Laughing).
Sid: You come back from that experience to your family did anyone notice a difference?
Leif: I don’t know if it was right away because to a certain degree they when there looking at me I’m just talking about look wise they probably could stop to say “Are you going to stop to cry now daddy?” Because they saw definitely that I think that it was no doubt about I remember I went for a walk with my wife and I started to repent of things because there was a lot of different things of the way I mean to say my love deficiency had stopped me to be able to see here the way that Poppa God sees her and I didn’t know how to love well. So I started to repent. And with kids I started to repent my son was probably the oddest at the time and so something had transformed no just with my family but the starting point was with my family. I just fell in love I fell in love again with my wife and I didn’t value her for what she was going to do or I didn’t value my kids it didn’t matter I just started to see them from a totally different perspective. And I was…I’d have to even….
Sid: Help me out Leif let’s take your wife, what…describe to me the change in the way you perceived her from what she was to what you saw her as give me some illustration.
Leif: Yeah I think the illustration would be that before my wife is a wife and she’s a mother, and she’s a homemaker. I am paying the bills to take care of things and there are certain rules and duty that she does. And when we all are doing our part it’s okay but when we don’t live up to it then there’s a list of disappointments and often I was very upset and concerned that they didn’t live up to the spirituality or whatever it was because I’m in the center of everything. Now in the next moment coming home I do believe that part of it changes that definitely had started is that I no longer valued my wife what she was going to do for me I valued her for who she is, I valued I saw that…
Sid: Who is she? Who is she, answer that question?
Leif: First of all as I was saying as I was saying I realized I didn’t know it at the time that God is my Father-in-law and He was the one who…
Sid: (Laughing)
Leif: He was the one that gave me that girl that’s a different story but I do know that when I saw her I saw her as a beautiful bride this is my beloved wife.
Sid: You know I remember when I got married just before the ceremony my father-in-law walked up to me and I really didn’t like this one bit we were both all of us were no-believers and he said “Now if you don’t treat her right I’m going to take care of you!” Is that what God the Father might do with you if you don’t treat your wife right?” (Laughing.)
Leif: Yeah well I think that there was no longer a fear based and I think that’s what I realized up to this point all I had been motivated was out of fear and whatever your fear controls you. But now it was motivated out of love where I don’t value her out of what she is going to do she is not there to make me happy and this and that what can I do to aid value to her? How can I help? So it started a totally transformation in her and in the kids.
Sid: Did she actually say “I see a difference in you?”
Leif: She started to see it but I think it’s a shock treatment that when you live with somebody for so long and you’re seeing is this just another one of your anointing you been to a meeting and this is going to last for a little bit? And so I think that I’m sure that because we went through a process, so I’m not saying that this was something that just happened I know that it was a deeper root that had changed in me but now the process started and it started to live itself out.
Sid: Alright give me an example the most vivid most dramatic example you can of how your entire ministry has changed as a result of the baptism in love. Take me to a place and describe it.
Leif: Well one of the examples is to take you back to Pakistan before then again I scratch your back you scratch mine, but I was going to a big meeting what we call a healing festival or where I was going to do a meeting. Before then people pretty much because I lived by fear and we called it the golden rule, I have the gold so I rule. So people were lined up they were be at the airport, they would be would be standing in line to make sure that they serve me to take care of me to make sure that the posters like this is right everything need to be done right. And then when you go also to the meeting was a similar setting. I call it just the orphan world. Now when I’m coming there “How can I serve these people started to honor these people because honor is what love looks like not how can I add value to these amazing people that made me look much better than I am. How can I… so it was no longer all of the things that they needed to do for me so I could be the star to make everything ready when I stood up. But also when I started to meet up with some of my Muslim friends and leaders I realized that I’d been loving them with a agenda that I used certain language in regard to… but again it was sort of I could do my agenda my hook. And now there was no longer a hook in it I just loved them there was a genuine love I don’t need anything from them I don’t want anything from them I just want to love them. And something started to change in the whole environment.
Sid: You know the whole paradigm of Christianity that I learned as I became a believer and was active in ministry is the opposite of love it’s like I’ve even had people grab my Bible when I get off of a plane and say “Let me carry it for you.” And I’m thinking to myself “This is such a light thing why do you go to carry my Bible?” But they become your servant rather than you becoming their servant.
Leif: Yeah I remember very clearly once Sid another meeting in the Philippines 700 leaders and they all saw me they introduced me “Dr. Leif Hetland the apostle all of these titles and fifteen minutes to introduce me 700 leaders. And you could feel everybody is trying to figure out who is whom in this. And I had one called Paul and Amiro Yardo two Filipinos that is connected to me and they were the one I kind of mistreated I felt not honored. And so what I did as I went up and I washed their feet publically in front of 700 leaders and I just kissed their feet and when my tears touched their feet 700 people just started to weep. And a few weeks later we went to Tanzania and Jack Taylor was with me and it was the same thing we had all of the bishops the hierarchy of who is whom and it was my big event and so I was on the top of their hierarchy. Again I just felt that this love thing and I just said “Father what am I supposed to do?” And the Holy Spirit said “Find the poorest orphan and there’s about 15,000 people in the audience and then you find the poorest widow and I want you to bring them up and I want you to wash their feet, and I washed the feet and my spiritual father Jack Taylor washed their feet. And when we did that there was a scream and mass deliverance and healings started to take place in the whole crowd that was Moshi, Tanzania. So I could tell story after story of place after place…
Sid: Now wait a second now it’s one thing to wash someone’s feet I have done that many have but that’s not what I heard you say. You washed their feet and then you kissed their feet, how could you do that Leif?
Leif: (Laughing) Well it’s just what love does. And when you’re in love you do a lot of crazy things. So when people watch and see some of the things that I’m doing including just what I did in Thailand this last week it just kind of changes the paradigm where because lovers do crazy things. And I do that I did that…
Sid: Now by you operating in this love and changing atmospheres this should affect people’s families, people’s neighborhoods, people’s churches, people’s ministries, people’s jobs this has to impact everything!
Leif: Yeah it’s leading to major transformation and that’s the different things because what my life is all about its touching lives and transforming cities and nations with love.
Sid: You work with Muslims. How many Muslims have you lead to the Lord since this transformation in you?
Leif: We have seen over 1 million of them experiencing and seeing a touch of Jesus and having an encounter with Jesus. So to different degrees they know who Jesus is.
Sid: Is there any way you would have impacted Muslims the way you have without this baptism of love? With all of the charisma you had, all of the gifting you had even before the baptism of love do you think that you would have had that kind of impact?
Leif: Absolutely not because when perfect love touches the deepest root of fear, that’s how you change the environment, but it’s a perfect love that casts out fear. So when love comes in and love becomes the language the blind eyes can see and the deaf ears can hear. And I have just seen over and over and over again and I have so many amazing stories of just how God would just started to serve some of the tough Muslim leaders and just started to love them and teach me how to love them.
Sid: Tell me one.
Leif: Well I’ll give you one of the…I was watching on TV and I can’t mention his name because he’s well known worldwide, but one of the more radical conservative Muslim’s on TV and he still is all over the middle east and I just looked at him. And I was first irritated because at first it was the early prayer and I’m in the city of Abhor, Pakistan when this was going on and then the next thing I turn on the TV to see if there was news and there is this teaching and everything else and the sounds that is going on. And I was like “I would like to sleep.” And so I first had a little negative feeling and God just arrested me because I realized I forgot to put my love glasses on (Chuckling) and He said “I want you to see him the way that I see him.” So what do you see him do you see a problem or do you see a promise?” And I just started to get a little teary eyed and He said “I want you to go and meet this person.” And I knew that it was impossible for me to go and meet this person I can’t get to him. To make this story short the Lord just said “Well what do you see?” And and what I described was the opposite of what God saw I saw somebody that was producing fear, somebody that produced hatred and everything else but God said “Okay but I want you to treat upon his destiny not his history because that’s what love does.” And at that time I said “I don’t know how to do this.” And He said “I want you to give him a peace award.” And that’s exactly we went and created and made a peace award and eventually through supernatural means we ended up at his headquarter and met with all of the Imams and all of the leadership. I have several key leaders from America with me watching this but over an hour and 45 minutes at his headquarter the whole environment changed. We touched, we walked hand and hand he got the Peace Award and he became such a man of peace and I’ve just seen the peace all over sharing with the other Imams they stood in line and they put the head into my chest something they don’t do in their culture and just pretty much leaning the head like John putting his head into the bosom of Jesus just to be able to feel and sense this love they experienced. And so sometimes that could be a covert revival underneath the right of your unique love and everybody had been looking and longing but they don’t know what it is now they’re experiencing it and they want more of it. So the environment change for 1 hour and 45 minutes from an infidel coming in and there’s total hostility and less than 2 hours later we are about to leave and the environment has changed. And all of these people now there’s favor with God and favor with these people. And the very thing that God saw about them now was taking place because now I was able to see them with love glasses not based on their history but their destiny. Not seeing as a terrorist saw but an Apostle Paul.
Sid: Tell me how radical Muslims, why radical Muslims call you the Ambassador of love? How did that happen?
Leif: Well that’s what the interesting story because I had never even heard the language. But what was the story I was doing a healing school in south Tottenham, England with Bill Johnson and Randy Clark. And I asked Judith Franklin, who is Bill Johnson’s Personal Assistant could you pray for me because I felt that she had something for me an impartation. So we went up in a room and she just laid hands on me and prayed. As she was praying I had an encounter the best thing I can describe it I was no longer in that room in South Tottenham, England at Central Hall instead I was in a room in a park atmosphere while walking this beautiful pathway I could see it on the right side there’s a waterfall there’s a beautiful park. And I went and I sat on a park bench and then somebody came walking towards me sat down and looked at me I couldn’t see the face but it was like a glory that was around the face and He said “What do you want? What are You asking me?” And I just didn’t know exactly what to say and finally what came out of my mouth was “Do I really love You?” And I knew it was Jesus, “Do I…” I knew that He loved me but “Do I really love You?” And at that moment as I was saying He just smiled patted me on my shoulder and I’m sitting back in that room totally soaked wet in tears. So from my Baptist background being a Baptist pastor and trained well I was thinking “That’s a good sanctified imagination.” And then the next moment Judith Franklin said “Let me tell you what you saw and what you experienced.” And she’s describing some of these details and I said “How do you know?” She said “I was there with you.” And she said “You will know in the next 5 years wherever you go people will call you the Ambassador of Love.” And I’m like “I’ve never heard that word before it doesn’t even exist I haven’t heard anybody using it.” So I went actually to a peace conference in a city called Multan, Pakistan and one of the clergy who didn’t seem to be one of the Imams who was a key leader very well connected, he just looked with his dark eyes towards me and he came towards me and he looked and said “You are the Ambassador of the Love.” And I was just blown at that moment I realized “Wow what God spoke and what God saw in heaven suddenly somebody else is able to see.” I went to another headquarter I went to a Shia Muslim headquarter and met with somebody same thing was taking place. I went to another place 5 different places and it doesn’t even exist in their language they started to describe something. That started this whole ripple effect. Before in all of the years that I’d been traveling I’d never heard anybody ever say that about me.
Sid: Okay we’re out of time right now but when we come back I want you to pray for people to receive the baptism of Love but let me ask those that are listening right now Mishpochah family how would you like to operate in the God kind of love the love of Father God? How would you like to change the environment in your home? How would you like to change the atmosphere at work or at school, how would you like to change the atmosphere of your neighborhood, of your apartment house? How would you like to change the atmosphere and the future of your family? It all begins and ends with the love of Father God the Baptism of Love. And that’s why we put a package together called “The God kind of Love Pathway to Miracles.” It includes the 2 books of Leif Hetland brand new one just off the press you can’t get it anywhere else and 3 amazing CD’s in which he prays for you to be baptized in love…
Tags: its supernatural, Sid Roth
Tags: its supernatural, Sid Roth