Sid: Hello. Sid Roth here with Renny McLean. Renny, I am so intrigued with the Glory. That’s the manifest presence of God that literally follows you when you speak, when you’re at home. And you have a handle on worship, like few people, and that God wants everyone. He doesn’t want you to have a corner in the market. He wants everyone to worship Him. In Heaven, that’s what we’ll be doing, so why not on Earth?
Renny: Amen.
Sid: What is actually going on when we worship in Heaven and in Earth, and in us?
Renny: Heaven wants to synchronize with Earth. There’s always an alignment between what’s happening in Heaven and what God is saying on the Earth through our worship. Now when we begin to worship atmospheres begin to change. We go through realms. We go through time. Now this is so interesting. Now some people, now I hope this is not misunderstood, some people have what I would define as a second-day concept of worship.
Sid: What does that mean?
Renny: In other words, elementary, you know.
Sid: Kindergarten?
Renny: Kindergarten. In that we worship to get there, not realizing our worship begins from there.
Sid: In other words, they’re after the carrot, but the carrot is the worship.
Renny: The carrot is the worship, for sure. And so I’ll give you a testimony. I was in Billy and Cynthia Thompson’s church last year and we were doing a revival, and it was very interesting, Sid. This is so interesting. I can feel the Spirit as we’re talking. And I was supposed to be there just for three days. Three days turned to seven weeks. Let me tell you how it happened. The first night we were worshiping and it was a wonderful atmosphere. It was very good. They’re a praise and worship church in Boca Raton, Florida. The second night it went on and on, and on. But the first night, I had an open vision given to where I could see it. And in the worship, I saw Jacob’s ladder. Now you know as well as I do that Jacob’s ladder represents our worship. But I saw the ladder. It was bright and it was glistening. It just radiated the Light of God. And it came at a certain point in the service. And I saw the people of God begin to go up it, go up it, go up it. And I said, well praise the Lord. And the second night again, in the middle of the praise of worship, just as it was about to go into worship, I noticed the ladder would appear again, and it went up. And by the third night, let me tell you what God did. The third night the ladder appeared again. But this time the ladder was empty.
Sid: What does that mean?
Renny: I’m going to tell you. [laugh] I said, “Lord, why is it empty?” And He said, “Because from this point on the service doesn’t begin in the Earth. Your service, your worship begins in Heaven.” And I knew that there was longevity to that meeting because we had broken the flesh barrier.
Sid: And when you break the flesh barrier what happened in that meeting?
Renny: Time doesn’t matter. Matter doesn’t matter. Time doesn’t matter. That’s why I say when the Glory of God falls the laws of physics don’t work. They’re temporarily suspended because you’re not conscious of time. You’re conscious of eternity. You’re aware of His presence. You’re aware of His Glory. He becomes more real to you than your situation, and when you really see Him and you have a revelation of Him in your worship you don’t look at things the way you see them. You see them from Heaven’s perspective and you’re so caught up on Him. You don’t have time to think of your problem. When we come to that point, that’s when miracles happen. That’s when eyeballs open. That’s when cripples walk. That’s when the blind see. The problem is today in church is that we cut off the worship before we get to that point. And so what happens when that happens is this, is that because the people didn’t fully get that…
Sid: Wait a second now. Most people complain if the worship is too long.
Renny: Because they don’t understand what the worship is for. See for example, I believe…
Sid: Finish my sentence.
Renny: Sure.
Sid: The worship is for… The worship is for, finish the sentence.
Renny: The worship is for Him, not us. The worship is, there’s two things what just came to my spirit as you were saying. One, the worship is for Him. You know what I mean? Really and truly. But if the worship hasn’t reached that point yet, nothing will happen. And so what’s happening today is this, is that God’s people have come in, but we’ve cut it off. And so we don’t let it flow. And so we miss the power or God. I know that when that happens in the church, nine times out of ten if they’re looking for miracles it’s not going to come that way. So what will happen is a person who’s really experienced will take the mike and will begin to worship to bring that atmosphere back because the secret of it is, is that the revelation comes out of the atmosphere. It comes out of the realm of worship. Any preacher would know this who’s listening right now would relate to this. When the service is really high and the Glory of God is present, you can go up there with your notes and there’s nothing wrong with notes, you know. Fine. Okay. Well you know what happens? When the Glory of God comes, it’s a different story because you’re not preaching out of the atmosphere. You’re not preaching out of movement. Now the problem is that we’re trying to speak on something that’s already expired because the revelation is what God is giving you, is the revelation of that moment. And so what the Lord gives you in that moment, that’s what you being to say and that’s what God begins to do.
Sid: Let me take you back to that meeting in Boca Raton where the Jacob’s ladder was and you broke through.
Renny: We broke through.
Sid: What type of miracles occurred?
Renny: All kinds of miracles. I mean, we can take it to half a second, But I tell you, the one that stands out in my mind. We were worshiping for hours. I mean, it was normal. I must say this, and I feel I need to say this for a lot of people who are watching, particularly a lot of pastors who are uncomfortable with this, because some of us are uncomfortable with long worship, and I feel I need to say this here. Ministers, hear me very clearly, there are some times, because of the atmosphere of the church, it takes that level of praise and worship to break down the ground, you know, to break up the atmosphere. So sometimes, that’s why when they’re preaching, the atmosphere is still harmed because you’re looking for your work to do what the people’s praise and worship should have done. So when the people are really praising and worshiping it makes it easier to preach because the atmosphere is there for it. And so now, in Boca Raton what was so interesting about it was, was that the worship just flowed and miracles began to happen.
Sid: What was that one miracle?
Renny: The one miracle? A woman was just worshiping and she had cancer. She had cancer. She had cancer. She had some spots on her lungs. She was worshiping. Just worshiping the Lord. She forgot she had it. That’s what I teach. You lose sight of yourself. You know what happened? She went back to the doctor two days later. This is documented. She went back two days later. They couldn’t find it. It had vanished. Cancer vanished.
Sid: What would happen? Cancer vanished. Let me tell you something. When you’re going after God with all of your heart, there is nothing impossible. Renny, I want you to lead us in worship, just as you do in a congregation, and let’s see what God’s going to do when we come back.
Renny: Sure. Sureā¦.
Sid: Don’t go away.