SID: Okay. We settled it. We settled that it’s never too late.
SID: Whatever your age. I’ve got to tell you this, John. I am 76 years of age and do you know I am just walking into my destiny. So give me a break if you’re 50 or 60. You know what I’m saying?
JOHN: Come on. I love it.
SID: All right. So how does, the big question really that people are asking as they’re watching us is how do I know my call?
JOHN: Okay. So first of all, I’ve got to get, I want everybody on the same page. God has a calling on your life whether it’s ministry or whether you are called to the marketplace, or whether you’re called to be a stay home mom and raise up champions. There is a Divine calling on your life. Every one of us have it and God prepared that calling for your life before you were born. Let me give you an example of another one that’s just mind blowing. I had dinner. This man wanted to have dinner with me last year. Well he’s a Navy SEAL instructor. Okay. That’s the elite of the elite when you’re an instructor. He went to two years of Bible school, was in his third year of internship, got accused of sleeping with a girl in the church. They threw him out, took away everything from him. He said, “John, three years of work gone.” He said, “My relationship with Jesus was superficial. He said, “I was saved, but it was superficial.” He said, “When I lost everything after three years of work, I started seeking God like I had never sought him before.” And he said, “God spoke to me and [said] I’ve called you to the military, not to ministry.” He said, “So I went to the Army, I went to the Air Force, I went to the Marines.” He said, “Nothing.” He said, “I went to the Navy, the last one. The recruiter has gone [through] everything. Nothing. Just flat.” So the recruiter in desperation brings out the special things. He starts reading down the special assignments and he gets to the word “SEALS” and he goes, “That’s it. That’s what I’m supposed to do.” And the guy goes, “No, no, no, no. Only .1 percent of them ever make it All of us flunked out of it. And he goes, “I don’t care. That’s what I’m supposed to do.” Well what a recruiter didn’t know and he didn’t know is he didn’t know how to swim. Secondly, he had such narrow ear openings they had to put tubes in his ears when he was a child. So if he went and had a little bit of water in his ears he was in excruciating pain.
SID: He couldn’t be a SEAL. It was impossible.
JOHN: He taught himself how to swim. He kept praying for God to heal his ears. He finally went two feet, five feet, ten feet, he was fine. The whole story is amazing. But he told me stories of combat that night at dinner, and which literally caused the hair on my arm to stand up. I mean, his phone called his parents when they were getting their truck blown up and the parents prayed. I could go and on, and on with other stories. Anyway, how do we know our calling?
SID: Give us some tips.
JOHN: There’s three very strong points made in Scripture on how we find out our calling. Number one, we seek God earnestly. The Bible says in Hebrews 11:6 that “God rewards those who diligently seek him in faith.” It does not say he rewards those who casually seek him in wonder and doubt. When I got saved I was heading, I was going to head to Harvard and get my M.B.A. with my engineering degree from Purdue, and I was going to become a corporate manager, and I was going to marry a pretty girl, take three vacations a year, and pay my tithes. That would be my way of serving God. But I knew there was something not right. And I remember my Thanksgiving vacation my senior year. All my fraternity brothers went home. I told my mom I’m not coming home for Thanksgiving. And I fasted those four days, and I said, God, I got to know what you put me on this earth to do. And as a result of that fast, the last thing I wanted to do was to be in ministry. I wanted nothing to do with ministry. But God showed me clearly, I’ve called you to preach. What are you going to do about it? And I remember surrendering in that fraternity, and I said, God, I’ll do it. The second way you find your calling is you get planted in the House of God. You get planted.
SID: Today, more and more people are saying church isn’t relevant to me, I don’t need to go unless you’re a part of the body.
JOHN: Right. God says, “Those who are planted,” Psalm 90, “Those who are planted in the House of God shall flourish in the courts of our God.” The courts of our God would be the judgment seat of Christ. So let me put it to you this way. If I have a peach seed, I may not know that’s a peach seed. How do I find out what it is? Plant it in the ground. It will grow up to what it was created to be. Hello, if I plant a peach seed I don’t get a cotton bush. I get a peach tree. When we’re planted in the House of God we flourish into what we’re created to do, whether it’s in the marketplace, whether it’s staying at home as a mom, whether it’s in the medical field, whether it’s in government, whether it’s in ministry, that’s where we flourish in the courts of our God. And the third way to know our calling is to avoid entanglements. Why are many called and why are only few chosen? We’re all called. Every one watching us is called. Why are only a few ending up fulfilling their destiny? Because only few will put aside the entanglements, security, money and relationships are the three biggest, to fulfill our destiny. If you look at Moses, Moses was one of the greatest pastors we’ve ever seen. He had over three million in his congregation, but he only had two guys in his whole church fulfill their destiny.
SID: I want the full reward. You want the full reward. Would you pray a supernatural prayer right now that we have the full reward?
JOHN: Father, I pray for every single person watching right now under the sound of my voice, I ask that the Holy Spirit would literally come into the living room, the office. No matter where these men and women are watching, or children, I’m asking that your presence would come. And I pray in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ for clarity to come to you, for direction to come to you. Before you were born God created you and also placed a calling upon your life. I speak that calling forth. I command in the name of Jesus for the revelation of that calling to come forth in your life and in Jesus’ name I pray, Father, for every person that they would lay aside the hindrances, the entanglements that they would plant themselves in the local church and that they would seek you diligently. And as they do, Father, reveal to them why they’ve put on this earth that they might make their eternity much more precious in your eyes, in Jesus’ name. Amen.
SID: And I say at Academy Rewards Night you will get a full reward.
SID: John, you’re teaching on eternity, on the judgment seat of Messiah, so impacted you, you actually had a compulsion to teach on this from God for an entire year.
JOHN: I did. You know, the Lord said I want you teaching this everywhere you go because it’s an elementary principle, teaching of Jesus Christ, and yet, I’m not hearing it taught, Sid. I’m just not. And so believers are trying to build their lives off of what we need to be strong Christians. You know, it’s interesting. You know what C.S. Lewis wrote? C.S. Lewis wrote this in “Mere Christianity”, he said, “If you will read history you will find that the Christians who did the most for the present world were just those who thought most of the next. It is since Christians have largely ceased to think of the other world they have become so ineffective in this one.” He nailed our society today. He nailed our church today in America. And this is what the pastor in Brazil was talking to me about. You know, the Apostle John, I have so much respect for him. I mean, they can’t martyr the guy. They put him in a boiling vat of oil, pull him out, he’s praising God, so they put him on this deserted island. Then he gets the Book of Revelation. I mean, he’s a rock star. Okay. So he’s in his 90s when he pens these words. Second John, Verse 8, he said, “See to it that you don’t lose what we’ve worked so hard to achieve.”
SID: You don’t hear that preached too much, what you just said. Go ahead.
JOHN: I know. So here’s this father in the faith, grandfather in the faith and then he says this, in Second John 8. He says, “But see to it that you receive a full reward.” Now of course he’s talking about the judgment seat, what we’re talking about right here. But the thing that caught my attention is the word “full”. For John to specifically say, “See that you receive a FULL reward,” means what? That means there’s a partial reward scenario and there’s a no reward scenario. Now isn’t it interesting, he doesn’t say, live in such a way that you’re going to get a partial reward. Why doesn’t he say that? Because God our Father wants us to receive the full reward. You know, as a father of four sons, there’s nothing that gives me greater joy than rewarding my son, but as a wise father, I will not reward my children unless they deserve it or earn it, and so because that rewards give initiative. That’s the way we are. That’s the way God created it. And yet the more rewards we get, the more we get to throw them at Jesus’ feet and it changes the way we live throughout eternity. So David says, in Psalm 139, and it’s so important that we read this, he said, “You saw me.” This is Psalm 139, Verse 16 from the New Living Translation. “You saw me before I was born. Every day of my life was recorded in your book.” So God wrote a book about every one of us before we were born. Every moment was laid out before a single day had passed. So God laid out every moment of our life in that book. Do you remember in Daniel where he says, “At the judgment he’s going to open up the books,” plural.
JOHN: What books? The book he wrote about our life. And so what God is going to do is say, let me see how I wrote about your life and let’s see how you lived your life. So in regard to our callings at the judgment seat, we will not be judged according to what we did, rather we’ll be judged in the light of what we were called to do. You know, we had a woman who was a pastor for 30 years and I spoke on this at a huge conference in Australia. She was at the hotel and she walked up to my office manager in Sydney, Australia, and she said to him:
Woman: He’s not serious about what he said tonight, is he?
Man: Well yeah, he is serious. Why are you so upset?
Woman: Well I had this vivid dream that I was pastoring in the Philippines. All my life I felt that’s what I was called to do and I’ve been at this church for years.
JOHN: Well do you know we found out one year later she turned that church over to her associate. She’s in the Philippines having the time of her life. You know, I could go on and on and tell stories.
SID: Is it too late for somewhat like that woman you just described to fulfill their call?
JOHN: Absolutely not. Smith Wigglesworth started his ministry in his 50s. He was a plumber up to his 50s, but then he got on with the call of God in his life and he’s one of the greatest apostles in the 20th century. So I don’t care if you’re 60 years old, I don’t care if you’re five years old, it’s not too late to begin in what God has called you to do.
SID: All right. But there’s even a bigger question, John.
JOHN: Yes sir.
SID: What if you don’t know what you, you didn’t have a dream like that? I want to find out how we can know what our call is when we come back.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. What you do with Jesus determines where you spend eternity. Many know this. Most know this. But what you do with this little temporary thing called life now determines how you spend eternity. There is something that is a mystery that should not be a mystery. It’s called Academy Rewards, not Awards, Academy Rewards Night, or the believer’s judgment. Imperative, you understand it, and you are about to know the truth. I have to tell you, I’ve been looking so forward to talking with John Bevere. Every believer understands that if they repent and believe in Jesus they’re going to go to Heaven.
SID: But the most misunderstood thing is this thing called the believer’s judgment. Explain that.
JOHN: Well first of all, it’s an elementary doctrine, elementary teaching of Jesus Christ. Hebrews, Chapter 6 tells us that. Now what do you get in elementary school? How to read, write, add or subtract. Can you imagine building your college education not knowing how to read, write, add or subtract?
SID: It would be difficult.
JOHN: It would be really difficult. Well we’re trying to build our Christian lives without an elementary teaching of Jesus Christ. It’s called the judgment seat of Christ and that is where Jesus will examine us as believers. Now we will not be judged for our sins because the blood of Jesus has eradicated sin. We’re going to be judged by how we lived this life as believers. Paul, writing to the Corinthian church said this, he said, “We make it our goal whether present or absent.” So we know he’s talking to believers because an unbeliever, when they’re absent from the body, they’re not present with the Lord. So he’s talking only to believers. He said, “We make it our goal whether present or absent, to be well pleasing unto him.” Because we are all going to stand before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may give an account of the things he’s done in the body, whether good or bad. This is Second Corinthians 5:9-10. So all of us believers, Jesus is going to stand before us and he’s going to examine our lives. Now when people hear judgment they get really scared, Sid, because what they think of is they think of condemnation. However, the Greek word for judgment, 90 percent of the time it appears in the New Testament, is the Greek word “krino”, which simply means a decision resulting from an investigation. So an investigation is going to be made and he’s going to make decisions over our life. Now they’re called eternal judgments, so let’s substitute decision for judgment. They’re going to be eternal decisions. So in other words, once he—
SID: Now wait, eternal decision means no point of reversal.
JOHN: There will be no alterations, no changes, no revising. They will stand forever. So and this is what’s really amazing. First Corinthians 4:5 tells us not only is he going to judge our works and our words, he’s going to judge our motives, the secret motives of our heart and our thoughts. He’s going to exam it all and that which we have built on, if it is eternal we’ll receive rewards. If we built our lives on the temporal, we will suffer the loss of getting rewards. And so what that tells me is this. What we do with the cross determines where we’re going to spend eternity, Heaven or Hell. Most Christians know that. However, the way we live as believers determines how we’re going to spend all eternity. That’s riveting.
SID: As a brand new Jewish believer in the Messiah, John, I had a dream that I think about often. It was a dream from God and in this dream it was, now don’t laugh, it was, I call the dream Academy Rewards, not Awards, Academy Rewards Night because that’s where I was. I was at Academy Rewards Night in Heaven and there’s a big crowded auditorium. And you know like they have at Academy Awards Night they have a big envelope and someone rips it open. And the winner is, I was so full of myself, John, as a brand new believer. I came into the charismatic movement. I was a disciple. What do you expect? And they made a big deal out of me because Jewish believers were not that many at the time I became a believer. Now I was seated there and there was a very old woman. I happened to notice her, John. Little old woman, tiny, seated in the front row. And I am sure my name is coming out on that thing.
Man: You’re not going to believe this. Elizabeth!
SID: And guess who won? That little old lady. How could she win?
SID: And then I heard a voice and it was the voice of God. And this is what God said to me: That could have been you.”
JOHN: I believe that.
SID: That’s a sobering thing and my life is driven by eternity because of that.
JOHN: It has. It has to be. I was just down in Brazil and I was speaking to 14,000 pastors and leaders in this auditorium. And the passion of these people was mind blowing. Well the next day I’m out at lunch with the senior leaders of this organization and the first riveting thing that I heard was that there was over 300,000 people in their churches.
Male Pastor: We have over 300,000 people in our churches.
JOHN: Wow that’s amazing.
Male Pastor: Yes, we started over 16 years ago with just one family.
JOHN: Wait a minute. Sixteen years and you have over 300,000 people in your churches?
Female Pastor: Yes, that’s right.
JOHN: How do you build churches, over 300,000 in them, in 16 years?
Male Pastor: We teach our believers about eternal rewards and eternal judgment. John, I’ve been to America. You Americans do not teach on this. Because of this, you in America only have a 70 to 80-year perspective. We have an eternal perspective.
JOHN: Sid, when you have an eternal perspective, when you realize how you’re living your life now determines the quality of life you’re going to have forever and ever in Heaven, you’re going to endure things you wouldn’t necessarily endure. You’re going to see things differently. Your vision is going to be different. You’re going to pursue things you wouldn’t necessarily pursue because James writes in his book, he says, “This life is a vapor.” James 4:14. If James was alive I do not believe he would have written it that way. I believe he would have said, if he was alive today, he would have written, “This life is zero.” What we do in this zero time determines how we’re going to spend eternity.
SID: How are you going to spend eternity? You will be amazed what rewards are based on. It’s different than what you think. We’ll talk about that when we come back.
Sid: I have an African from Uganda his name is Apostle Ronald Ssali. And some of the things that he has seen and done are on the same level as what we read about in the book of Acts. And on yesterday’s broadcast I’ll get a lot of people upset with me Ronnie if I don’t go back to this story. You were praying in unknown tongues and you got a witch upset with you because they literally as you explained from people that have come out of witchcraft in Africa they can see the flames of fire and in Africa they can see the flames of fire of the Holy Spirit over you. So they went after you and you had a vision or a word from God that this was going to happen then all of a sudden suddenly you saw a witch floating in the air going after you. Did this person look like a witch?
Ronnie: Yeah this person was looking like this type of witches because these type of witches what they do they just wear… they move around in the late hours when this forces come on them when they’re doing their enchantment and they doing all of their ditches in the night you know. Some of them are nude…now this witch was completely nude and was floating up in up off of the ground like 5 feet was ready to come and catch and take me for cannibal you know.
Sid: And cannibalize you.
Ronnie: Yea cannibalize me you know and eat me up. And I remember this was a real battle this was between death and life. You have to know how to trust in God and to release His fire and power to consume the devil. Then I remembered that Christ in me is greater than the devil that is in this witch. And even if you’re floating 5 foot from the ground that does not…that does not scare me because Christ is greater than this witch that was floating using demonic power. So I stretched my hand…now as I’m stretching my hand my body is feeling the demonic power trying to kill me you know suffocating and making me lose balance. I stretched my hand and I said “In the name of Jesus!” I was so violent the sound…the voice of my role was so loud that I mean it took literally shed…I mean it was so strong that I roared “In the name of Jesus change your direction now!” This witch fell down and ran; took the opposite direction and ran for life.
Sid: You can’t be afraid of the devil or the demonic when you see that type of power in the name of Jesus can you?
Ronnie: I’ve seen the type of power that kept from death, you cannot be afraid of the devil because the devil. He does he vanishes flees running in fear; they vanish from the power of Jesus. When you say you’re praying in the name of Jesus and you’re dealing with the situation believe because when you pray things happen in the spirit.
Sid: Now I want to understand how you got to be such a powerful vessel of the Lord. When you were 13 years of age you heard the auditable voice of God what happened?
Ronnie: Yes, I remember I was in Uganda Church and this was in Uganda and it was in the church in Buwenge. And it was around the afternoon and I was walking just alone in the streets and just a few people because that at that moment the weather was too hot and many people were walking around. So I was walking so there was people was scattering on this road I was walking through this side road. I mean then the bush on this side and the bush on the other side kind of jungle and I was going to church. And I heard a voice calling my name “Ronnie!” Now people called me Ronald but at home they called me Ronnie that’s my called name you know they call me Ronnie. So for someone to call me that name must be either staying in the house or call and a letter to us but this voice. This voice I never heard a voice like this before and I’ve never had the peace that was coming in this voice, the peace, the almighty spender of the Holy Spirit, the power and it was coming from above from every corner. I mean the voice of the Almighty is coming from every corner so I didn’t know where to go. Because I thought maybe I should go this way; I should go where ever the voice was coming from. And He called me again “Ronnie!” And I didn’t answer because I was afraid you know because of I was still 13 years of age you know and not so much in the things of God but I was still so thirsty and hungry for God I was still getting know God.
Sid: A few years later you had quite an experience with the Holy Spirit and then miracles started happening. Tell me what happened in 1990 with the Holy Spirit.
Ronnie: Now I remember yes after that voice called me and I went in 1990 I began to seek God because the I told Him “You call me last time but now I’m ready to answer You now I’m ready to answer…
Sid: So God will give you a second chance.
Ronnie: Definitely give you a second chance, God is very good that’s why no one can be like God because He says “Return to Me and I’ll return to you.” So now this time I was desperate; I said “Lord I want You I’m desperate for You fill Your Holy Spirit” and this was 1990. And things happened and the Holy Spirit come upon me immediately things turned around. I had the experience the miracles in action.
Sid: When Holy Spirit came on you describe what occurred?
Ronnie: When the Holy Spirit came on me there was a preacher who had come from Congo and he was preaching about the Holy Spirit. He said “Do you understand the Holy Spirit, come forward and I’ll pray for you.” So we went forward and he laid hands on me; I remember saying “Father this is the promise that You promised to me.” You know I didn’t care about others I was focused. God deals with the individuals He doesn’t deal with the multitudes; He healed individuals. I said “Now I want my portion” I said “Seriously I must receive the Holy Spirit today.” So this man laid hands on me and prayed, immediately the presence of God came upon me in a strange way and the peace came, the river began to flow out I began to speak in a heavenly language.
Sid: How did you feel?
Ronnie: Oh it felt so peaceful, it feels so wonderful, it feels so tremendous. You feel peace, you feel joy.
Sid: You said a river what do you mean by that?
Ronnie: A river is deep in your heart it feels your floating you know. You’re not in dry place you begin to feel like you’re swimming in a river you know. The passion you feel, the joy you feel you know, the presence of…something is deeply unexplainable but it’s just like you’re floating in a river you’re swimming in a river you know.
Sid: That’s when the real passion for the Lord started in your life isn’t that right?
Ronnie: Yeah that‘s when the real passion started in my life and from that time never quaint, never be quaint.
Sid: Now you started seeing miracles; tell me about a few you saw after that time.
Ronnie: That was a time I remember we went to a crusade and this crusade and the pastor preached. And one day of this crusade which was a Saturday he never came to pray because he had left the nation and was going to another nation and the pastor didn’t come. And I was new in this ministry so there was no one to preach and the people who come to the crusade to receive miracles and healing and salvation. So I stood up on this crusade and began to preach, I preached a sermon for about 10 minutes upon Jesus there was so many Hallelujah’s but I kept on saying Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever and He performs miracles yesterday, performed today and performs them forever. He’s saved me yesterday, today, He’s saved me forever.” I just kept on repeating myself and saying hallelujah. You know when you’re nervous you speak to the crowd and taught them about power and miracles and you’ll never see this thing before that came upon me. So…but I was so much confident in God because of the Holy Spirit that I didn’t look at the excellence of my speech but I looked at the power that was going to be demonstrated. And faith was leaping out me because the fear of God convicted them. Then a altar was set to come forward, they come forward and I laid hands on them. One lady had bad vision she would see only see one finger and then she was healed. One man had had a powerless arm and it was healed, another one had a deaf ear it was healed. Many miracles kept happening like that.
Sid: You have so much faith and it’s almost a childlike faith I imagine it is a gift of God and yet is there anything that we can do to develop our faith like you’ve developed your faith?
The first thing we need to do is to learn how to yield to the Holy Spirit. Many times when you want to move in the power of God you have to yield in the Holy Spirit because it’s the way that you can stir up your faith.
The 2nd thing is when you pray for somebody let not your mind say “What if she’s not healed what will happen to me?”
Because that always comes to your mind “What if he’s not healed? What will happen if I’d be ashamed? This is what you shall say
“What if he’s healed then God will take the glory.
Because when you pray you are submitting the situation to God and allowing Him to come in and move inside that person. So it is not your strength but the strength that cometh and relieve by faith in Jesus. That’s the only you can increase your level faith by knowing that when you pray something must happen. Because the Bible says “Ask and you shall receive, seek you shall find and knock and you shall open.”
Sid: Do you see as many prayers for people when you pray in America as you do in Africa; as many answers to prayer?
Ronnie: Oh praise the Lord and a very good question. What I’m going to say is that yes but not as in Africa because in Africa it happened so massively because… I can’t count them I can’t even tell that some of them there’s so many that you don’t even get to know until maybe when you leave and you come back for another crusade you know. It happens so many happening there houses which are near where you’re preaching because of how people respond. In America they do happen but I mean yes there’s a lot of teaching and a lot of explanation and then you have to waste time.
Sid: Now Ronnie we’re going to have some miracles this week I can tell you he moves in very specific words of knowledge. And I’m going to cut him loose sometime during this week and watch out devil!
Sid: You that are suffering from depression right now you spirit of depression your days, your moments, your hours, your minutes are numbered because the anointing of God is going to be so strong on this week’s broadcast. I have on the telephone Ronald Ssali. Ronald is an Apostle he started 13 churches. He’s originally from Uganda, Africa I caught up with him in Minniapolis, Minnesota. And Ronnie you really prayed for someone who grew 5 inches? Tell me about that.
Ronnie: Well praise the Lord Sid I want to testify about His greatness. This happened in Africa in Nairobi, Kenya and this was in 1999 when the power of God was moving very strongly and the revivals that I was holding in the seat of Nairobi. When a young lady or somebody came unto the service and was among the people who had come to receive and experience, a move of God. By the word of knowledge God told me that there was a lady who somebody was praying that she grows taller than what she is because she was not comfortable the way she was. And she’d been asking me for this for a long time that she wanted Me to make her taller and I’m ready to do that now. At first I said “Lord” I said to my mind you see my mind was saying “Well that’s most unusual what are you talking about” because of the wonderful morning so I just obeyed the Holy Spirit and I called up this person. And she came forward and that her friend was taller than her and I called them both forward. And I said you know you how many… and I told the people that we’re going to pray for this lady right now because God has told me to pray for her to grow taller. And she’s going to grow and she’s going to be even taller than her friend and the place was all shocked. Then I laid hands on her and she went down in the power of the Holy Spirit and her legs began to grow, her arms began to pull out, her neck, her shoulders, everything.
Sid: We’re you watching this happen?
Ronnie: Yes, I was watching this and people were screaming and shouting “Glory to Jesus!” With so much excitement and power of God they couldn’t express it with their mouth, they couldn’t express it with their words they were in shock at the way that the lady was growing! And the excitement was too much that I was shocked myself. I was saying “My goodness I thought I knew You Lord but You are more than what I knew.” And you know what they said?
Sid: What’s that?
Ronnie: After this lady after the power of God finished growing her taller, I told her I took a picture of her. I stood her up and she was taller than the lady that she came with in the meeting. She was taller than her and that was very shocking that everybody was scared, you know what I mean, but the fear of the Lord was restored in the people. You know when God moves in a tremendous way the fear of the Lord comes to the people. And we were all worshipping Jesus. And when she went back home her mother said “Is this my daughter?” And she said “Yes I am your daughter.” And the mother said “What happened to you?” She said “I was praying for.” The next day they had to go out and buy new clothes for her, she’s called Jen.
Sid: They had to buy new clothes for her?~
Ronnie: Yeah, they had to go out and buy new clothes because the others wouldn’t fit her.
Sid: (Laughing) Ronnie tell me before we went on the air you told me some outrageous things; you told me that literally the markings of people’s body, tattoos, things like this just totally disappear when you pray. Tell me about that.
Ronnie: Oh yes they disappear. See when the power of God begins to move one of the things I’ve decided to do is to minister in the power…
Sid: People with scars they even get removed?
Ronnie: Yes, yes when I pray for people I don’t limit God I just allow Him to move as much as He wants. Now I began to explain this in Africa when I was praying for people who had markings and scars to disappear you know from their bodies. Prayed for them and scars would disappear when they were all operated you know, and all their marks would disappear from the area where they operated and even the markings and now their tattoos also disappear when I pray in the name of Jesus. Somebody wants it to go I pray for it to disappear in Jesus name. Because He said; He said “That which is demonic on somebody” He said “The devil has been cast out and it comes out of their mouth to go.”
Sid: Now I’ve got a list of some experiences that you’ve had that sounds almost like the Bible. For instance you were trapped…you were driving on the interstate and you were kind of trapped between 4 semi-tailor trucks that they had like an accident. Tell me about that.
Ronnie: Oh yes this was in London I was driving on the interstate and I meant I was coming to the interstate and I came from this small road that I don’t know what you call it but in London we call them side roads I don’t how you call them here.
Sid: That’s good enough (Laughing.)
Ronnie: So I was coming home on the side road from the home the house that I was planting into the interstate. And so when I came the enemy attacked me and I just moved into the road without taking precaution that semi-trucks huge ones like the ones in America. There was 4 driving, it was late in the night and they were pursuing tailgating you know and there were 4. Now I drove straight into the road into the semi-trucks and now there is no way that my small car that I was driving across this road and get to the other side of the road; the last lane to change and go where I was going because I was just crossing the road during the interstate. So what I did is that I drove right into now…to me I thought this was my death day I thought I was going to die because I mean I saw these semi-truck just a few inches from me and I didn’t know what to do. But you see what happened Sid the Holy Spirit translated my car in that process. God’s power translated my car that I was in the other side of the road and this thing missed me by must inches.
Sid: You’re telling me that that little car of yours was translated to the other side of the road?
Ronnie: Translated to the other side and I took 4 hours to get back to my senses.
Sid: Ah! Listen it’s a miracle you were alive and if you hadn’t been translated I wouldn’t be speaking to you right now.
Ronnie: You wouldn’t have been speaking to me. I mean God is God is present He’s the same yesterday, today and forever. As He saw it in His Spirit He came up to me in my small little car with didn’t even have an airbag in it though. Airbags the Lord saved me from the source of my car He took me 4 hours to get back to I mean I was so much astonished I called everybody called and told them “God has saved them from death.” All of them was shocked and I was just praising the Lord and I testify about that for weeks and weeks because of God saving me from death.
Sid: Now people from Africa have had a lot of experiences that we in the west haven’t had with witch doctors and witches and the demonic realms. There was one time where a witch wanted to kill you and you got a warning from God about it explain that to me.
Ronnie: Yes you know in Africa we have a lot of these experiences you know like the witches and wizards and they just want to maintain control over their territory. So when you begin to pray in the Spirit you disturb them so they try to confront you they always do attacks like that now. And I was praying…
Sid: They realize that it’s you that’s praying in the Spirit against them…
Sid: And they come after you.
Ronnie: Yeah they realize that you’re praying you know because whenever you’re praying you begin to connect with heaven and now the prayers of God begins to make demons feel uncomfortable so…And then the witch when he tries to call the spirits to come they can’t come because they see fire in the areas. So the demons tell that if this person so they can tell if this person comes…
Sid: So say they can see like flames of the Holy Spirit over the person who’s praying.
Ronnie: Yeah they see flames.
Ronnie: They see flames because I mean God is to me a wall of fire so they see flames, sometimes they see the reign of righteousness reigning down but many times they see the flames you know. I’m talking about most of the witches…and most of the witches have been delivered from witchcraft and they have been born again. They’ve always said that that’s what they used to see when they’re fighting faith they’ll see fire around them come against with fire.
Sid: Praise God for the fire! (Laughing)
Ronnie: They’ll see and I was walking the Lord told me that by His Spirit I was going to meet this witch. Now these witches in this area of Uganda and this is how they do their thing. They cast a spell on you that make you and the demonic stupid and then they draw them with that demonic power and then they take you following them. We just go following them and we follow them to where they want to take you then they butcher and they cannibal you. Because they’re being what I call sacrifice blood, then they do cannibal because…
Ronnie: Because some of the guys who eats human flesh.
Sid: So that still goes on today?
Ronnie: Yes it goes on in Africa I mean there’s some voodoo…
Ronnie: It goes on.
Sid: So you are doing your prayer walk and you were praying.
Ronnie: Okay this week they come to take me to cannibalize me you know.
Ronnie: And then the Lord told me that the witch was coming to attack me. So I don’t know I was walking down the area where I knew in my spirit you know the Spirit of God reveals to us and new way exactly I was going to find this trouble. And the moment I reached the area I saw someone was standing floating up in the sky.
Sid: Floating in the sky?
Ronnie: Yeah, floating yeah floating like.
Ronnie: Like floating 5foot you know above the ground and standing there and looking at me staring at me and this was in the dark. And there was a moon but the moon it was not the kind of moon you know in Africa some areas don’t have street lights so you only have the moon light you know.
Ronnie: So this was where there was no street lights. And it was there in the night so then this being this human being this witch began to come towards me and I lose my head and there was an evil presence coming at me you know making me lose balance you know. The demonic presence was trying to come and do magic on me you know.
Sid: Yes to kill you.
Ronnie: I remember the scripture saying that “I look unto the hills, where does my help come from; my help comes from the creator of heaven and earth.” And I lookup up and I said “In the name of Jesus,” now I pointed my hand towards this witch but I was not looking at him I was looking at the Jesus in me. Because if I looked at this witch I would have been afraid you know.
Ronnie: But I looked at the Jesus in me; this is one of the things that I always advise people when you’re confronting any situation is such an emergency don’t look at the situation look at the God…
Sid: Ronnie I hate to do this to our Mishpochah we’ll pick up on this story tomorrow.