Sid: We want everyone everywhere to have marriages made in heaven.  God wants everyone everywhere to have marriages made in heaven and I have a book with supernatural keys for supernatural communication between husbands and wives and even in all types of relationships.  And when you practice these supernatural principals, your marriage will be transformed to be all that God has called it to be.  My guest Craig hill, founder of Family Foundations International and Craig explained he learned these principals the hard way, through a marriage that was in conflict and he couldn’t even, he didn’t even have a clue what the …how in the world did God show you these things Craig?

Craig: You know Sid, I became desperate over some period of time, I just wanted to know, through the course of our marriage and the first seven years were really the most difficult; I just pursued God and I said, “I know that it’s not suppose to be this way, I know that we’re not supposed to be hurting each other this way.”   And I continued to seek God and finally after seven years these principals began to unfold right out of the Bible and I began to understand, that I was the major cause of the problem.  All up until I started to see that, I thought that my wife had problems and she needed counseling and what I finally came to understand was that the enemy had set us up like we talked about yesterday where the arms dealer had created a situation where we were hurting each other and didn’t even know it.  And of course when I was hurting my wife and didn’t know that I was doing that it’s virtually impossible to apologize, it’s impossible to repent.

Sid: It was a tremendous chess game that the devil was playing with you and you didn’t even realize that he was in the picture.

Craig: That’s exactly what happens, and I think a lot of people are just unaware of the supernatural and even Christians, even believers go through life as though the supernatural did not exist and they just look to the natural.  And whenever a conflict occurs and a problem occurs they do exactly the opposite of Ephesians 6: 10-12; they begin to fight flesh and blood.  They say that the problem is my wife, the problem is my husband and without realizing it they don’t know that they were set up in the spirit to fight and wound each other and not even realize that there was something supernatural in the demonic realm taking place that was designed to damage and harm and destroy the relationship.

Sid: And what would you say to the person that their spouse has filed for divorce right now and they’ve pretty much thought, “My marriage is over?”  What would happen if they grabbed these principals and started practicing them?

Craig: Well, like we were talking about yesterday, Sid, I have found that these principals work even when just one person begins to apply them, and the reason is a marriage is never static, what I mean by that is, your marriage partner is not just exactly the way they are and you are the way you are; it’s a dynamic relationship, meaning you key off of each other.  And when you begin to change things, it will change the dynamic of the relationship, not only that but I’ve found that there is a principal and this is true in every area of life; when you take small natural steps that God shows you, God will take large supernatural steps to change things that only He can do.  And many times people are paralyzed when they look at the current marriage situation and they say “There is no way my husband will ever change.”  And they keep looking at what is not there instead of looking at the supernatural of what God could do and allowing God to change them in their own heart when they start allowing change to take place.  We’ve heard story after story, story, story…

Sid: So tell me about the couple from South Africa.

Craig: That was an amazing story, where exactly that happened; this couple had again been divorced for a period of time.  A man went to one of our seminars in South Africa where again we were teaching these principles that are in the book, “Two Fleas No Dog” and he began to grab a hold of those principles, began to realize his part in the breakdown in destruction of his marriage and began to repent just before God and talk to the Lord about his relationship and saying God, if I only would have know these things some years ago I could have saved my marriage.  And very sorrowful over that and asking God for forgiveness and he felt compelled after this seminar that he went to call up the wife that he was divorced from and just to ask her to forgive him, now beginning to see his part in what had torn apart this marriage.  And as he did he didn’t really know where she lived, he was able to find her city and her phone number and gave her a call and she said to him, when she heard it was her husband, “I’m so glad you called, I wanted to talk to you, an amazing thing happened to me, I went to a seminar this week in my town, it turns out that she went to the exact same seminar that was being conducted in her town as her husband went to in a totally different town.  And she had had the same experience as he did, she began to understand her part in contributing to the breakdown of the marriage and was wanted to call him and repent and ask him to forgive her.  They had a mutual time of weeping over the phone, repenting, asking each other’s forgiveness and saying, “When can we meet together.”  Again to make a long story short, God totally healed the wounds and the damage that had been caused in their marriage and in their heart.  Restored the spirit of that marriage and they were remarried to each other a few months later and again had been doing very, very well.

Sid: It’s almost as if someone, if one party will follow these biblical principals taking that little baby step, God will then show up in the marriage and change everything.

Craig: That’s exactly right and I think what you just said is true, when you do the natural God will do the supernatural.  When you take a small step of obedience of what God is showing you that you can do God will then begin to take big steps in the supernatural to do things that you could not do.

Sid: Well, little later on in the week we want to talk specifically about the levels of communication and some of these things about the ninety three percent of communication is nonverbal, that’s hard to believe.

Craig: That is hard to believe especially for men because we’re convinced that all communication is just the words that we say.  And of course, as you just alluded to there are many other things taking place that create communication that we are unaware of and we’re sending messages to people around us that we aren’t realizing that maybe the message we’re sending is not the message that we intended.

Sid: Okay, on yesterday’s broadcast we spoke about Passover is miss understood, the blood on the doorpost is missed understood by Jewish people as well as Christians.  I couldn’t get over that teaching; because when you understand that teaching, you understand all the covenant promises of God that are available to you.  You understand healing better, would you teach a little bit though, look at the full teaching in your book, “Two Fleas No Dog.”

Craig: Right, what I understood, one of the key components to marriage is understanding that marriage is a covenant as opposed to a contract.  And the concept of contract is that it’s an agreement by both parties, meaning if you do your part, I’ll do my part; but if you don’t do your part I don’t have to do my part.  A covenant is a better word that we use in English for covenant would be a word promise.  That’s not dependent upon you doing your part, so Sid if I make you a promise and I say, “I promise that I will do thus and such, that’s not dependent upon you doing anything, that’s dependent upon my integrity to keep my word.  Where as a contract would be more something like a sale.  If I agree to sell you something then it’s totally dependent upon each of us doing our part.  If I agree to see you a car for example for $10,000, if you don’t give me the money, I don’t have to give you the car; and any judge in any land will uphold that.  On the other hand if you do give me the money, I do have to give you the car because if you do your part I have to do my part; but if you don’t do your part I don’t have to do my part.  Many people look at marriage that way, they say, “Well, I’m going to divorce because my husband didn’t keep his end.”  Or “My wife didn’t do what she was supposed to do.”  A covenant is a completely different concept; a covenant is like a promise, and it would be like if I said, “Sid, because I love you my bother I want the send you a car, just to bless you, I want to give you a car.”  And there’s nothing you have to do to qualify for that, you just say thank you.  But suppose I latter find out that you’re doing things to try to harm me, that you’re maybe calling people and trying to destroy my reputation.  The question would be, “Do I still have to give you a car?”  And the answer is yes, if I’m a person of integrity because a covenant or a promise is based on the integrity of the person who made the promise to keep their word, it’s not based upon whether the other person does what they said or not.  The reason that’s so foundational to understand in our relationship with God is the Bible is not a story book, it is not a history book, it’s actually a book of covenants.  God made a covenant with Adam; He made a covenant with Abraham: He made a covenant with Moses; He made a covenant with David and He’s made a covenant with us by the blood of Yeshua.  And so if we don’t understand what that is, if we think that the covenant is like a contract that we operate by with most people, then we think, well if I didn’t keep my part or I didn’t do my part then God isn’t going to do His part and He isn’t going to keep His word.  And He isn’t going to be faithful to me either and my relationship with God becomes totally based on my works and my performance.  And that’s a huge problem.  But what we see in the Passover as you were alluding to earlier, I believe that that has been taught completely backwards.  And what I mean by that is what we’ve been taught is the Passover was about putting the blood of the lamb on your door to keep God out of your house because you certainly wouldn’t want God to come into your house because the thinking there is God is wrathful, God is a killer, God will hurt you, God will do bad things to you, so get that blood on the door so God won’t do anything to you.  And in reality that’s just the opposite of what blood covenant actually is; the blood was put on the door to invite God into the house.  And this comes from an eastern tradition that most of us growing up as westerner would not understand; I think probably a Bedouin people, people living in the Middle East today still have some of this custom in their culture and they would understand it much better.  But the custom was this, whenever a guest would come to the home of a host, the host to signify that he was willing to invite this guest in and to basically make him a family member the host would slay and animal and pour out the blood of that animal at the threshold of the dwelling, at the threshold of the door of his house.  And when the guest who was coming with him would see that blood he would know that he was invited to enter into…

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Surprise Sithole. And Surprise, you were the first person in your family, in who knows how many generations; that came out of being a witch doctor to being a sold out believer in Jesus. And was it your cousin or your brother who became a believer in Jesus, the one that died recently?

SURPRISE: Yes. It was my cousin.

SID: Alright, your cousin became a believer in Jesus. What happened to him?

SURPRISE: What happened to him, he was a wild person; preaching on the trains, in the market and so on, but…

SID: Wilder than you?

SURPRISE: Yeah. He was more. And then so what happened on 25 of September, it was the day they the holiday for the military. So and then he was preaching in the market. And when he was going home he found the people, the religious people and they killed him.

SID: Now when you found out about this, the devil got payback. You have a meeting. Did many Muslims come to the Lord at your meeting?

SURPRISE: After that, it was three weeks later because I was in Israel at the time. So I went back in that area where he was killed and started gathering the people. There were 4000 people that came to that meeting, and half of them, 2000, gave their life to Jesus.

SID: Were many of the Muslims?

SURPRISE: Yes.

SID: Are many Muslims coming to know Jesus in Africa?

SURPRISE: Oh this is good news for them so much, because they are coming, rushing like they are running from something, from danger, and so they are coming to the Lord.

SID: I’m wondering, many of the Muslims were like you. In other words, having visions or dreams from Heaven and being told to believe in Jesus. Is that happening to many?

SURPRISE: Lots of Muslims. Some of them, like just another man, he was just going to kill himself. He was a Muslim who was going to kill himself. When he was going to kill himself, he met this man, bright man shining before him. He said, “Where are you going?” He said, “I’m going to kill myself.” He said, “No, don’t kill yourself. Go back and look for a pastor and he will tell you something.” He came back and found the house of Christian. The man was not there he found only the children. And then the man came back, spoke to him; he gave his life to Jesus. Now he’s a pastor.

SID: And that’s happening to many Muslims.

SURPRISE: Yes.

SID: I want to find out the first time that Surprise prayed for a dead person who came back to life. Do you remember that first time?

SURPRISE: I remember that very much.

SID: Tell me about it.

SURPRISE: Well I was in this village. The village is called Komatatri [?]. So I was doing a small revival meeting in the community hall. So the next day the chief of the area of the Komatatri [?] came to me and say, “Shut down the revival meeting because someone died near the community hall.” I said, “Chief, can I go there to see the person?” And he said, “Yes, of course. Let’s go.” He took me to the house. I found six ladies that were sitting in the house. And then the chief introduced me to those ladies. He woke her up when we come to his house. And then what happened, I asked the lady if I can pray. She said, “Of course. Go ahead and pray.” I started praying. While I was praying I opened my eyes. The ladies still were sleeping. The girl was the girl of six years old. Her name is Inshanta (?), the name of the girl. And Inshanta was wrapped with a sheet. So I look around, the ladies were sleeping, and I said, this is my chance. I walked to the girl that was laying down and I, myself, I start unwrapping the girl. Suddenly the hand came out stiff and cold. Well I took my finger. I look still around. The ladies, they were sleeping and snoring. I took my finger into the stiff hand of the girl. I was praying. Suddenly, the girl grabbed my finger. I was really shocked. I jumped. I stood up and went [scream]. So she looks at me and said, “I’m hungry.” Well I look around. The ladies they were drinking Coca-Cola. I took the Coca-Cola and put it into a glass and gave to the girl. The first person I woke up, I woke up the mother. When the mother woke she was shocked. All the six ladies ran out and they started shouting. And the chief heard the noise, the chief came running. When he came inside the house, he saw the house was driving Coca-Cola. I’m not advertising Coca-Cola. No! [laugh]

SID: I understand. He’s advertising the King of Kings. That’s what he’s advertising. They must have been shocked. Tell me about the time you had a dream about a dead person that came back to life.

SURPRISE: Well another one, this is an elder man. His name is Enyoni [?]. At night I just had a dream. I see a bunch of people going to bury someone, but I had an impression something talking, “That person is not dead,” was in my dream. I run to them. I said, “Please, I want to see this person that you are going to bury.” And then they say, “Oh, no.” I said, “Please, please, open for me.” They opened. When I saw the person, it was just like the person that had so much laughter in his mouth. I said, “This person has so much laughter. He’s not dead.” And then after that, I prayed and the person rose from the dead that was in the dream. The following day by the whole day, the mind went out and I didn’t think. And then someone came to me and said, “They are going to bury someone today.” I said, “Uh, where is that?” He said, “Here just by the mountain at a new farm. I said, “Oh, let’s go.” Then we went straight into the house. We find the people they’re making, they take the door of this man and his table; they’re making a coffin out of it.

SID: A coffin?

SURPRISE: Yes, a coffin from his door and his table. They are finishing making the coffin. So this man was dead three days. Now we went inside the house. We asked the people if we can see the person. They said, “Of course.” They gather the family together. They went in there and pulled down the sheet that was closing. They opened the face. As soon as they opened the face, I realized that the face that I saw last night in my dream. I started to be filled with joy. I started laughing and praying.

SID: You knew.

SURPRISE: I knew that exactly he was going to come up back to life.

SID: And did he?

SURPRISE: So in the prayer, he shouted, “Yea!” At the end of the story…Well when he shouted like that, it means that even the toilet came out because the noise was…The room was filled with intense stinking, smelling a very bad smell. But he was not even ashamed. He was happy and so on. So this man, in his testimony said, during that when he was sleeping, he was fighting with the dark forces. So the dark forces was pulling him into the place that was so much hotter and hotter, and hotter; until when the bright shining light came that was shining, that is when the dark force left him and he came up and rose from the dead.

SID: You know what? There is such a presence of God in this studio. Surprise, do you feel what I feel?

SURPRISE: I feel it right now.

SID: And I’m going to tell you something else. Surprise told me he is happy no matter what happens, 24/7. How would you like to be happy? I mean, genuinely, not drumming it up, but genuinely happy in joy 24/7? I would. I know you would. When we come back, I literally believe we’re going to have resurrection power from the dead. Don’t go away.

Sid: You need to be red hot for the Messiah and I promise you this week my guest will cause you for go forward from whether you are to closer greater heart, greater intimacy with God than ever before.  My guest, Pastor Ron Philips and Ron comes from a Southern Baptist background, good Southern Baptist background.  But He went to a meeting which really changed his whole paradyne on things and things really got crunchy for you.

Ron: That’s right.

Sid: One evening right after the meeting; tell me about that.

Ron: Yes, I was a successful Southern Baptist Pastor, but at the point of really quitting because I just felt like I was going through the motions you know, preparing sermons.  I wasn’t seeing a qualitative change in our people’s lives; outwardly successful inwardly miserable spiritually.

Sid: There would have to be a lot of Pastors even listening to us right now in that category.

Ron: And I had lost my intimacy with God and it never been where it needed to be, but I knew that I was saved and called, but man I was operated in the energy of the flesh.  I went to   Glorieta, New Mexico to a Southern Baptist Camp Ground and really I was there to speak to close the meeting on the next morning.  And I went over night and I heard a woman speak named Lynnette Drumright and her husband had died and she had a spiritual awakening at that time for the International Mission Board.  And she talked about how when her husband died she fell in the sweet arms of the Holy Spirit and how His Baptism and power in her life had sustained her through this.  And so I went back in my room and fell across the bed weeping because I had really planned to quit and go to work selling real estate for my brother in Florida; and I just was miserable.  And at midnight I heard my name called audibly, audibly; and I thought someone was at the door playing a trick on me so I went to the door and nobody was there.  I laid back down the second time and then a third time.  At this point I knew something was going on and like Eli told Samuel I said, “Speak Lord your servant hears.”  And the Lord said, “I’m here I want to bless you.”  You got to understand, I was a sensationalist, I believed that all these gifts had ceased and that we just had the Bible and a lot of this stuff wasn’t supposed to happen anymore and man I had my cage rattled.

Sid: Since I have never been in that type of situation it’s I guess we make do with what we have, but on the inside looking out right now I don’t see how someone makes do without understanding the full supernatural of God.

Ron: I don’t know either it’s a miserable experience; it really is because you know you come up with what you have.  I can honestly tell you Sid that there were occasions when I was watching preachers back then on television even then or like Oral Roberts and I would feel a hunger and late at night alone I would feel a tugging in my heart.  I knew that there was more, I knew there was more, and that night I read Psalm 92:10 “I shall be anointed with oil.  And the Holy Spirit fell on me in that room that is the only way I know to express it; I spoke in tongues; I lifted up my hands.  Now, you got to understand, I didn’t even believe in lifting up hands,  I mean I was so square that’s the only way I know to put it; I had a little bitty box a Baptist box that I lived in and God kicked every wall down, the roof off of it.  Two hours later I went into a I call a trance or went out, fell out in Spirit, whatever you want to call it, but when I came to I was standing in that little single bed with both of my hands over my head and my life has never been the same.  That was a little over twenty years ago and God moved me into the realm of the supernatural quickly and the first thing that happened when I got home is I was called to the hospital to help a woman and she was demonized.  And I didn’t know what to do, and knew I knew enough then to know that I had supernatural help and a couple staff members we cast thirteen demons out of this woman.

Sid: This doesn’t sound like this Southern Baptist Pastor!

Ron: I didn’t tell anyone about it right away.  Ha-ha-ha

Sid: Ha-ha-ha.

Ron: But the anointing, God began to, I mean the whole supernatural world in 1989 opened up to me and man I staggered in.

Sid: Let me, I’m just kind of curious though, “Had anyone ever taught you about praying tongues?  Had you ever heard people pray in tongues?”

Ron: One time, no never a little bit on television maybe, I’d seen a couple of they, and I’m not talking about the contemporary guys now; I’m talking about the Rex Humbard, Oral Roberts, those I knew a little bit about it.  But I had never been taught, when all of this broke out in my life and the Brownsville, later Brown’s people would say well he’s been to Brownsville, he’s been to Toronto, hadn’t been any where nobody in our church had.

Sid: Let me also take you back to that night when you heard God audibly call your name and did He give you instructions at that time?

Ron: Yes, He said, “He said, I want you to read the Psalms you’ve been reading every day,”  I had a disk on the of reading five Psalms a day and this was April 19 and so it was Psalm 91 to 95.  When I got to 92:10 and God knew the scripture was mine, I believe in the inherency of scripture and God knew that that was the paradyne that I had to have a scripture.  And man when that thing hit me it became rest and refreshment just like Isaiah prophesized to me.  I would to back, I mean it cost me most of my friends.  We’ve had coming and going in the church for years as people left and others came and some came back to receive what God had, but it’s been a supernatural powerful experience.  And I’m sixty-two now and I wouldn’t trade what the Holy, I just wish I hadn’t been forty plus years old when I wish it had happened earlier.  And I’m not questioning God on that because I’m sure he knocked at my door and I was so busy being a Baptist preacher I wasn’t listening.

Sid: And what I find interesting is the Lord knew that you were going to read those five Psalms, that’s why He told you to read Psalms.  So when you got to Psalm 92:10 it reads “I shall be an anointed with fresh oil.”  Is that when you started speaking in tongues?

Ron: Hallelujah, yes Sir.   Glory to God, man I’m feeling something now, I’m just telling you.

Sid: Now, you told me before we went on the air that you have some company in the studio right now; what’s your company?

Ron: Angels are here with me, I have an angel called Noble, it sounds weird know, but he came to me.

Sid: Well, actually you had just told me about that because I’ve got your brand new book, “Our Invisible Allies” subtitle “The Definitive Guide on Angels and how they work behind the scenes.”  And just as you finished the manuscript on April 19th 2009 a large angel, visited you in your bedroom.  Take it from there.

Ron: Big, golden, he’s so tall his head, and I have nine – ten foot ceilings in the bedroom, we have one of those upward roofs in there and he had to bow his head over.  But you know, no fear came on me and I guess I noticed that my red light on my alarm had not been disturbed and nobody had come into the house.  It was like fear not was in my spirit immediately and he hit me on the leg just like what you see in the book of Acts when Peter was in jail and an angel came and woke him up; hit me on the leg and he said, “I want to speak to you and let’s go down to your study.”  And I have a study, a small study in my basement that’s kind of my prayer closet, secret place and so we went down there and this angel he began to just talk to my spirit because I mean we’ve been through twenty years of questions and attacks.  And even though we’re solid doctrinal called an occult just because we believe everything in the Bible.  And I came out of seminary; you know I had an earned doctorate from New Orleans Seminary.  I studied the Greek, New Testament  all my life and I know that it teaches these things and we were attacked and then just I was weary you know with ministers and others attacking this great wonderful church that God let me pastor for thirty years now.  And that angel said, “That’s over today, I’m stopping anybody that speaks against this church I will defend you for now on; don’t worry about it and you’re going to find favor.”

Sid: And I find it interesting that the angel identified his name, what was his name?

Ron: His name was Noble and they said that right before he left and immediately I thought of nobility.  Here’s an angel of favor and nobility and Sid even you calling to talk about this book because I had been attacked by the devil by demons.  Well, now they’re really going to know that you’re a nut.  I mean I had a lot of intellectual pride in me before I was baptized in the Holy Spirit; so the enemy came at me that way and for God to send such a powerful angel to come and I think your calling me to talk about this book.

Sid: Well, look at the timing of all of this.  You know you made a statement that I have in my notes here.  And it’s very very important that we really genuinely I think that anyone with half a brain recognizes were in the end times and of the last of the last days.  I mean the midnight hour’s about ready to strike and human options are before our very eyes; I’ve never seen time moving so fast.  Human options are beginning to dwindle, and it we, if we don’t learn to partner with the angels we won’t accomplish what God has for us on earth let alone our basic needs.

Ron: That’s exactly right, that’s why an entire section of the book is called “How to activate Angels.”  See I believe the unemployment scandal isn’t here in the United States and the western world, it’s around the throne of God where angels are wondering why we’re not obeying Hebrews 1:14 “That they’re here to serve those of us who shall be heirs of salvation.”  And you know Sid that word serve there is, litigious we get out word liturgy from it, but it literally comes from Laos, man and ergon word.  And ergonomics is work that’s made easy.  An ergon work in the Bible, wherever you find that word in the Bible its God taking it off.  And angels are here to lay us ergon, to serve us to make our work easier.  And I think a lot of times we are struggling alone when if we would, we don’t pray to angels, we don’t worship angels but we, the Bible says they obey; they obey at the voice of His Word, from the book of Psalms.

Sid: Tell you what, “Our time is slipping away…

Sid: We want everyone to be Red Hot for the Messiah, that’s almost an understatement for my guest Joan Hunter.  We’re reminiscing about her Mom that just went to heaven.  You’ve heard of the Happy Hunters, Charles and Francis Hunter and Francis just went to heaven and most of you that are listening to us are familiar with their great miracle healing ministry.  And of course Joan has been in the healing ministry for over forty years and she has built on their foundation so it’s almost like when we talk to Joan we have two generations; one built upon another of the healing gifts and understanding healing.  But there’s some areas Joan that you have covered in your brand new book “Power to Heal,” that most people don’t understand; it has to do with trauma, fear, grief.  Now these things can really get in the way of receiving healing and get in the way causing you to be sick.

Joan: That’s correct, what happens is a lot of times with grief and trauma, that when you go into a traumatic situation it produces stress and stress itself produces a stress hormone.  The stress hormone responsibility is to destroy the immune system.  Thus we have so many autoimmune deficiency diseases around the world and it is all brought on because of stress and trauma.

Sid: And you know most doctors when they don’t know what’s wrong their immediate conclusion is stress and I used to be upset with them saying, no that’s just a catch all; but it’s true.

Joan: It is true, 85% of the people that go to doctors offices go because of stress related diseases.  And if you get rid of stress you’ll get rid of 85% of the diseases that’s brothering the Body of Christ, if not the world.  And I would rather live stress free and not get sick than deal with all the stress related diseases, neck problems, back problems, fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, all that stuff.

Sid: What about things like the heart and blood pressure, is that connected to stress.

Joan: Oh yeah, and then like people that have diabetes all of the sudden they’re sugar level will go sky rocketing and a lot of times now a days, the doctors are going “Obviously you are under some kind of stress that’s triggering your insulin level to be so high.”

Sid: Well, what has God shown you about dealing with stress?

Joan: Well, where stress is concerned there is, first of all, we try to fix things, like us women, we try to fix our husbands.  And then we try to fix our children, and not only do we start…

Sid: Well wait, husbands try to fix wives by the way, you can’t take all of that guilt.

Joan: I know that, the average guy give up after two weeks and says forget it.

Sid: Ha-ha-ha.  So the wives are more like elephants with the memory?

Joan: Yes, but what happens is we try to fix our children and we try to fix our spouse and we can’t and what happens is that the more we try the more they operate in rebellion and then we intern you know get move mad and angry and it just causes a big explosion.  Now in the book, “Power to Heal” on page #110 in the book I tell you about stress, how to deal with stress; how to deal with the trauma and depression.  And it says here and once again on page #111 Prayer for Releasing a Spouse.”  You can’t fix them and so this is the payer and I have it hear it says “Father you know that I have tried to fix my husband or my wife Lord, I lay ______ on your altar I release _________ to you, I thank you for _________ and Father bless _______ and bless our marriage.  And so my husband’s name is Kelly.  And Father I tried to fix my husband, I lay Kelly on your altar, I release him to you, I thank you for him, Father bless Kelly and bless our marriage.  Throughout the book there is many many places in here where there are actually prayers where you fill in your spouse’s name, your child’s name and like on page #111.  This is a prayer for releasing children.  We try to fix our children, our responsibility as parents is to love your children and let God fix them according to Isaiah 49:25.  And it says, “But thus says the Lord, I will save your children.”  And that’s God’s responsibility and my responsibility is to love them.  And then it says here; “Father I lay my child, ________(Charity, my daughter’s name is Charity) I lay Charity on your altar, I thank you what you have done in Charities life already and I ask you to bless her in Jesus Name.  I’ve done all I know to do as a mother and I release Charity to you, Father bless Charity; show me how to be a better mother, Amen.  And I actually have many many prayers like that throughout the book on “Power to Heal” and then when your children or your spouse is on the altar, then you don’t have to carry the weight of them anymore, thus you don’t have the stress.

Sid: But Joan, that’s easier to say than to do?  How does that, I mean you say the prayer but if you’re like most people you keep taking him back.

Joan: Well, then you’re trespassing, yeah, your trespassing on God’s property.  You have gone to his altar and take off your sacrifice and have taken it back saying God, I can do a better job than you.  I’ll show you, and that’s what that does and so.  And yes, I totally agree with you that it’s easier said than done.  But once you get it figured out and you get him on the altar and you leave him there then you say God, did you see what your daughter did?  You know how it is when sometimes there your children, sometimes there your spouse’s children.  But it’s like all the time now, there God’s.

Sid: All right give me an example in your own life with say, your daughter of how that played out.

Joan: Well, right after the divorce I encouraged them to spend time with their father, long story short their Father took them to lesbian bars.  Ha-ha-ha.  I was ready to kill everybody.

Sid: I understand.

Joan: I go oh, Lord Jesus, help me here, anyway I was like, you got to be kidding and they would come home and mommy finger came out; what are you doing this was not the way that you were raised, you come home your drinking, he gave them drinks, he gave them this.  What are you thinking and then so what they did they’d call their Dad and say “What are you doing tomorrow night?  So they went out again.  Mommy finger came out when they got home, went to a different Lesbian bar and time and time again.   Well the third time I was fit to be tied and I went into my bedroom and shut, bathroom and shut the door, got in the shower turned the water on and I’m screaming out to God, I can’t fix my children.  I’ve done everything I know what to do and the still small voice God spoke to me and He goes, “Da, and he’ll speak to you in your language, you’ve gotten in the way of me and my Holy Spirit from fixing your children.”  And I said, “I repent Lord, I lay them on your altar, I give them to you.”  The next night when they came in Mommy arms greeted them, and hugged them and loved them and told them God bless you, I’ll see you in the morning.”  And they never did that again.

Sid: They must have been shocked when you acted that way.

Joan: Who are you and what have you done with my Mother?

Sid: Ha-ha.

Joan: Are you on drugs Mom?  Ha-ha.

Sid: But, what you did you allowed space for God to move.

Joan: Um hum and they never did that again and it’s absolutely awesome what happens you know, when you allow God to go in and do something that you really thought you could do better.  You know because they are my responsibility, they are my children; you know they were older children.  You know you’re suppose to you know to train them up when they are young and discipline and things like that.  But when they are seventeen and eighteen years old, and older you can’t fix them, because the more you try the more they are going to rebel.  And when I just loved them and didn’t condemn them and just love them, then God has turned their lives around.

Sid: And I have someone Red Hot for the Messiah, Co Producer of Its Supernatural Television and Messianic Vision Radio, Janie DuVall.  And we’re going to spend this week bringing you up to date on what God did in my life and if you understand me you will understand Jewish people.  I’m going to take you after I became a believer; I got saved in the early 70’s right at the height of the Charismatic Movement and when I got saved I was instantly Red Hot for Jesus.  As you’ll find out I had an encounter with the devil and I knew his reality and I don’t understand how anyone can even entertain being backslidden if they understand where they slide back to.  And I understood and I was one grateful Jewish man that believed in Jesus.

Janie: You know Sid, when you say that you were grateful, I’ve heard you since the late seventies on the radio.  I’m from New York and I listened to you in New York and I heard this Jewish man, and I’m Jewish and I heard this Jewish man you on the radio so hungry, I mean so hungry for more of God.  But then, when you said the big transition that happened you would always tell me and you would tell the listeners how you were just so Red Hot even as an early believer, but I didn’t know you then.  So I was watching when you were on Kathryn Kulman’s TV program and Kathryn Kulman moved in miracles, she had a miracle ministry that was incredible from the late forties to about the seventies.  And you were on her program just a year after you became a believer and I’ll tell you every time I look at that clip, the TV program, it’s amazing, one year knowing Jesus and you were so radically changed, it was like it was in your blood.  That’s why now I see why you just can’t understand how someone could say that little prayer with Billy and then no change and they’re just doing, living life the same way I mean which actually to me is really boring; when you look at you, and it was so interesting.  I want everyone to hear when Kathryn Kulman was so amazed by you because she said, “Here’s this Jewish successful Businessman and look at him, look at the change that happened!”  And the change didn’t just happen then, it’s like I’ve known you all these years now and you’re still so radically Red Hot.  Let’s listen to that, a little excerpt from that TV program when you were on Kathryn Kulman.

Kathryn Kulman excerpt: When I tell you that the name of my guest is Sid Roth that’s thrilling in itself!  Ha-ha and I’m so excited about it because Sid Roth is one of those wonderful young Businessmen from Washington, DC who a had this glorious experience of knowing the Messiah in the forgiveness of his sins.  Well Sid, the Washington Daily News classes you with other very prominent young men in business in our Nation’s Capital as “White Collar Jesus Freaks.”  I think that that that’s the greatest complement they there could be in fellowship, really.  How in the world did you ever get involved with Jesus Christ?

Sid: Well, considering that I come from an Orthodox Jewish Background it would take more than a couple of seconds to give you an answer.

Kathryn: I know, and you’re a very successful Stockbroker in Washington, DC, you’ve been in this business for how many years?

Sid: Well, I’m thirty-one years old and I’ve been in the stock business about eight years, and I’ve been in the business of Jesus Christ about one year.  I’m one year old in the Lord.

Kathryn: What was your experience that moment, that new birth experience?  It was the most beautiful thing in the world to ya.

Sid: Jesus Christ is as real to me as you are sitting right opposite me.

Kathryn: I know what you’re talking about.

Sid: And you know the thing I want to emphasize is I had, because I guess I was Jewish and He just had to hit me over the head, over and over and over.  I like to tell my story because he did.   I want to emphasize the point, that the Bible says, “The Kingdom of Heaven is like a mustard seed.” Which is a tiny, tiny little seed and you take Jesus Christ, which is this tiny little seed and you put Him into your heart and you feed Him with the Word and He’ll grow.  Just like that acorn isn’t an oak tree, instantaneously Jesus Christ doesn’t grow instanteously He grows on faith and I know from my own personal experience and from the experience of many of my friends that if you’ll invite Him into your heart.  He’s on the outside, it’s sort of like you’re driving an automobile you know, He has a difficult time driving your car from the outside, but he can do it because He’s God and look what He did to my life.  But you know when you invite Him inside that automobile you know what happens?  It is a heck of a lot easier for Him and that’s where He wants to go.  And boy, I’m so grateful to Him and I feel like I can’t do Him enough justice for what He’s done for me.

Kathryn: Do you know that this is a very successful Stockbroker who’s talking, this is a businessman from our Nation’s Capital, a successful Stockbroker, but Sid it’s real, it’s now.  It isn’t something in the past, its Jesus now; this wonderful relationship now.

Sid: This is what’s so exciting, in other words, like I’m telling you what happened a year ago, but you know if I can’t tell you what happened yesterday or the day before, two days ago I’m in serious trouble with God because He’s so real every single day He influences my life.

End of clip from Kathryn Kulman

Sid: You know Janie, to kind of set the stage, I’m a brand new believer in the Messiah, there are not many Jewish, it’s not like today.  There were very, very, few Jewish believers in the Messiah at that time.  And I got interviewed by a major secular newspaper and I really got sabotaged when I did that because the reporter was Jewish.

Janie: Ought oh!

Sid: And I kept saying to him, now I’m going to tell you something, but it will be off the record and every time I said off the record, it…

Janie: It was on the record.

Sid: And I remember calling him after my Uncle had called and said, “How could you do this to your Father? And I called the reporter and said, “How could you do that to me?  I told you, you told me that it was off the record? And he said, “Yeah, but it sounded so good, that was his answer to me.”

Janie: Ought oh, but there were repercussions with you Father then.

Sid: There were repercussions with my family, but there were also repercussions for good things, Kathryn Kulman who had the greatest miracle ministry back then, and I really believe that I haven’t seen one since as high a level as Kathryn Kulman.

Janie: And we’ve even interviewed so many people who were healed in her ministry.

Sid: Right, and that’s coming back again.  That anointing is coming back again and that I’m positive of.  But as a result of that secular newspaper article which sold more newspapers than any newspaper in their history.  She found out about it.

Janie: That’s how.

Sid: And I became a guest on her television show and then that opened up speaking for me all over.

Janie: Because everyone was amazed because this Jewish man believing in Jesus.

Sid: Yeah, and it was highly unusual back then and the thing that I’m amazed Janie is that I survived because before I had even read the entire Bible I was on the speaking circuit as the expert in the Bible.

Janie: Well, you are really a sign and wonder because the more Jewish people who believe in Jesus, Jesus is coming back soon, so you are really a sign and a wonder.

Sid: But, back then it wasn’t that there was so many coming to Jesus, there were really so few.  And I remember we had a picnic lunch.  We had an organization it was called the Hebrew Christian Alliance of the Washington, DC area and I was the President of it.  And a new Jewish believer by the name of Paul Lieberman, who now is the Editor of the Messianic Jewish Times, had a problem.  His wife would not go to a church because they are both Jewish and she was uncomfortable in a church.  So he said, “Let’s start a Jewish service.”  And I thought, “That is the most ridiculous idea I have ever heard of, but we’ll put it to a vote.”  So we had a picnic one day and I said, “Everyone that would like to try one service,” I wouldn’t commit for more than one, “Everyone that would like to try one service raise your hand.”  And the majority of the people raised their hand, so I was stuck.  I remember going to my father and saying, “Dad, can you teach me how to do a Shabbat Service?”  And he looked at me, he was now very upset with me because I was an outspoken believer in Yeshua as the Messiah and he thought I was making fun of him and he kicked me out of the house.

Janie: Oh no.

Sid: But here’s the amazing thing, we walked right into a revival, a major move of God’s Spirit and when we started.

Janie: And what were the meetings like when you say revival?

Sid: They were totally dependent, 100% dependent on God.  I knew nothing, and I was one of the Leaders.  But every week Jewish people would come to the Lord and then the next week the Jewish person that came to the Lord the week before would be sharing his testimony and another Jewish person would come to the Lord.  I’ve tasted Jewish revival and it’s coming back.