SID: I’m in here with Bill Johnson. And, Bill, every time I meet you, you provoke me to jealousy, which is what the Bible said … You’re very biblical. You’re supposed to provoke the Jew to jealousy. Explain to me what kingdom culture is.
BILL: Well, culture is the way you do life. It’s your value system. It’s how you respond to relationships and money and all these things. It’s just, it’s the preset values that you carry in your heart that determine how you do life. But kingdom culture is how heaven functions. And when we pray this prayer, “On earth as it in heaven,” it’s not just a prayer about eternity. It’s actually a prayer for right now. It’s God’s intention right now to influence my circle of influence with a manifestation of his presence in such a way that it mirrors heaven. That means there’s no cancer there. There’s not to be cancer here. So when we pray for someone to be healed, we do it based on the example given us in that prayer.
BILL: There’s none there, there’s not to be any here, besides the obvious commission of Jesus to heal the sick. But it goes farther than that. What are relationships like in heaven? In heaven, every person is honored, celebrated. In heaven, everyone celebrates another person for who they are without stumbling over who they’re not. So when you learn how heaven functions, and you pray that prayer, this is my point of pursuit, is I want to see a manifestation of the kingdom of God in a measurable fashion, not just the theory of prayer, which is a good place to start, but I want it measurable.
BILL: Jesus said, “If I cast a demon out of you by the spirit of God, the kingdom of God came upon you.” So it was measurable. The demon left. A person is free. There’s a measured illustration that God’s kingdom came. When we pray things like this about culture, I want it to be measurable as well. And that’s what I feel our mandate is.
SID: Tell me, you told me on the phone about the children and the gold dust. I mean, imagine the, what you’re about ready to hear, what affect it’s going to have on these children the rest of their life.
BILL: On 26 different occasions we’ve had, it’s like a thin cloud, sometimes a thick cloud. It looks like gold dust. It’s shiny flakes. It just appears out of nowhere. It has filled one end of the sanctuary to the other, from the front to the back. I didn’t know what to do. I would see this come. I didn’t know if we continue in worship, if we all get on our face. I didn’t know what to do. And I looked down one Sunday, and here’s the children. They see the cloud forming over in the corner. And all these little kids run into the cloud with their arms wide open and their mouths wide open as they run into the delight of God.
BILL: I know he can show up other ways where you’re on your face. But this was a moment I was perplexed, and the kids weren’t. They ran right into the presence. And they just delighted in him. I’ll never forget. In fact, I have a little video clip of them just running into the presence of God and so enjoying him.
SID: How would you like to have started life being in a kingdom culture like that? You talk about how purity fits into kingdom culture. Explain.
BILL: Well, yeah. Purity and power are both manifestations of the kingdom, and we need both. I call them the two legs that we stand on. You don’t want to have one shorter than the other. You want to stand solid. And strength for us is that purity. It’s purity of heart. It’s purity of intent. It’s the purity that only he can provide for me. But it’s the Holy Spirit on my life. Grace that doesn’t lead to purity isn’t grace. And so we really work hard on that issue of a pure lifestyle. But we work equally hard on the responsibility to demonstrate his power. And so purity’s just a huge part. It’s the Holy Spirit. It’s the kingdom of God, and it’s one where there’s no defilement whatsoever.
SID: So you said the prayer, that kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven, that’s what we should all be praying.
BILL: Yeah. I consider that to be the great commission. All the other commissions are sub points of that primary commission.
SID: Okay. When we come back, I want to find out why so many leaders in politics, in business, in entertainment come to Bill or members of his team for crisis situations that they’re in. Many of these are even nonbelievers. What is attracting them to Bill and his team? Could it be this kingdom culture? Be right back.
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Tags: its supernatural, Sid Roth