Sid: Now I’m bothered I am really disturbed over something. I just read one of the first editions of a book called “The Agenda.” I have quotes here all over my desk from this book. The subtitle is “The Homosexual Plan to Change America.” It seems what they are basing this on is that most Christians will just shrug their shoulders and let little by, by little the agenda, the homosexual agenda be accomplished in our schools systems, on our television sets coming right into our homes, on the pop sexual things on the internet. I have on the telephone the chairman of the Traditional Values Coalition Louis Sheldon. Louis why is the church, I understand the world, but why is the church so apathetic? Why is the church not hard hitting in this arena?
Louis: I would say basically the reason the church is this way is hasn’t outgrown the lie they have believed for a number of years. There was an impregnable wall of separation of church and state. Especially the mega churches when a person is on television every week they have a 10 or 15 million, 20 million dollar budget to pay for television time and all the expenses for the cameras. They don’t want the homosexuals protesting outside their church because they may have a lot of homosexuals sitting out there hearing the gospel wanting to believe it. It feels good, it sounds good, and they know it’s right, but the pastor may not want to cut to the chase and do something from Romans or Corinthians…
Sid: Well the trend is a feel good church that doesn’t address sin.
Louis: This is true.
Sid: Now this is not true for all seeker sensitive, but you can’t have a mega seeker sensitive church if you are hard hitting, there are a few exceptions, but if you are hard hitting on sin. What will the homosexual community do to a pastor that’s hard hitting on sin and starts talking about the sin of homosexuality?
Louis: Well I have a perfect example for a pastor of about a 500 member church in central Illinois that talked about the evils of homosexuality, and how you cannot enter the kingdom of God, and he was preaching it. His church was very very divided after he had given that sermon. He was under the impression they would receive the word of God; he read from the scriptures clearly and he was very specific and scientific in his research. Not only that, do you know that the FBI showed up at this pastor’s church. He called and told me things saying that “You have to be careful,” I don’t want to give his name out “you have to be careful pastor” they said to him “because you could be charged with sexual harassment if somebody in your church decides that they want to create a problem for a homosexual after they heard your sermon.” So that word went out in that denomination even his denomination was hesitant in standing with him. Now see that’s what happens… we pick on the Supreme Court judges and the other judges who don’t properly interpret the constitution, I think the same kind of sin has come into the church.
Sid: You know we do television in Canada and one of the networks told me they could lose their license if they had anything negative about homosexuals. Here in the United States without mentioning the name, you told me there’s a major Christian network that won’t allow anyone to talk about the sin of homosexuality. Is that true?
Louis: Yes that’s true. You know they want to make sure when you come on what are you going to talk about. You know you can’t just bring that up. That becomes the consensus that God wants us to do it. Well God wants us to preach the FULL gospel and we’ve got to stand for morality. See Isaiah 5:20 makes it very clear that “Woe unto him who calls evil good because then he will call the good evil” and what is says happens. I believe that is what is happening today why the church is afraid to really come out and say “No to gay marriage.” Now there have been a lot of churches in many states, I just returned from Michigan recently where we were there. Last year they had on the November ballot the marriage initiative it passed by 59%. I was down in Ohio there they had one last year it passed by 62%. So the grassroots people still know it is morally wrong, but you have some ministers who’ll take a stand, and you’ll have some that are still afraid.
Sid: Louis why did you write this book? Why is it important?
Louis: The reason I wrote this book was so that America could be awakened. Someone came to me and said “Reverend Lou,” actually it was Steven Strang who owns the publishing company.
Sid: Right, they happen to be my publisher. Go ahead.
Louis: They came to and said “Lou you’re doing all these activism things across America, you’re a lobbyist in Washington D.C.; why don’t you write a book of what you’ve seen happen over the last 33 years?” So I said “Alright I better take a few months off and do it.” So we did it.
Sid: What kind of feedback are you getting, because it’s brand new, but what kind of feedback are you getting from people that are…
Louis: At the Christian booksellers convention this past summer we got a huge amount of positive response. Several hundreds of people lined up at our booth for Strang Communications, and wanted a copy of the book and I signed it for them. Many of the people who have bookstores said to us “We desperately need this book in our community.” Then they told me what was happening either in their schools, or in their city, or in their county, or at the state level they were from.
Sid: Okay I have personally interviewed over the years people that practiced a gay lifestyle that were set free by God, and today are happily married with children. Which explodes the lie that’s it’s genetic it definitely is not genetic. There are probably homosexuals listening to us right now that say “I know what they are saying is true, but how can I get free?” What would you say to them?
Louis: I would say if they want to be free, and that’s the first requirement, they have to want to know that this isn’t right. Then they need to seek out Exodus International, or Homosexuals Anonymous, or find a church that has a sexual addiction therapy class, or just call and find out where’s there a Christian psychologist or psychiatrist, or counselor who does group therapy for those that are addicted to same sex attraction. They’ll get help, they’ll get help you know you can be healed from this social disorder of same sex attraction.
Sid: Okay, what if I could open a door for you to speak for 2 minutes to every member of Congress, every member of the Senate, the Supreme Court, and the President of the United States do that right now if that was such a door. What would you say to them right now?
Louis: I would say despite all of the terrorist issues that exist in the world, despite all of the ups and downs of the economy, and all of the other problems we face in terms of the shortage of electricity in the far west, all of that there is an underlining morale issue that could really damage the future generations of America. It is the morale issue of homosexuality. I would refer them to the book called “Sex and Culture” by J. D. Unwin of Oxford University who was an anthropologist and went around the world and studied rise and fall of cultures and city states. Found what really destroyed these little cultures in city states was homosexuality. In other word, that social disorder that once it’s put into place the following generation, that’s why it can take 30 – 40 years for it to happen. The following generation no longer has a basis for wanting to be married, and to be married, and to have family, and to be monogamous with their bride and with their groom.
Sid: But Louis it appears to me it’s already in place or in process.
Louis: Yes it’s later than we think, much later than we think. This is why the Congress must pass a constitutional amendment to fully protect marriage by any other name than simply a man and a woman. We must have that kind of appeal.
Sid: Okay considered yourself challenged. You know God’s position. Only vote for candidates that have God’s position, otherwise, suffer the consequence be an ostrich, or be a champion the choice is yours.
Tags: its supernatural, Sid Roth
Tags: its supernatural, Sid Roth